**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 01 03:00:00 2014 Aug 01 12:31:36 (offtopic) anyone has experience with pirelli dp-l10? :/ Aug 01 13:51:38 hah Aug 01 16:19:30 hi Aug 01 16:33:59 warning Aug 01 16:33:59 you may be watched Aug 01 16:33:59 do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy?? Aug 01 16:33:59 do usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying?? Aug 01 16:33:59 do they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations?? Aug 01 16:33:59 ÊÍÐíÑ Aug 01 16:34:13 warning Aug 01 16:34:13 you may be watched Aug 01 16:34:13 do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy?? Aug 01 16:34:13 do usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying?? Aug 01 16:34:13 do they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations?? Aug 01 17:30:06 dafuq? Aug 01 17:31:23 ... Aug 01 17:32:08 hmm Aug 01 18:09:47 sixwheeledbeast: usual idiot troll, he changed IP so last ban doesn't catch anymore Aug 01 18:10:49 he didn't change his trolling text, so once I'm back home I will set up an autoresponder ban Aug 01 18:15:32 >;( Aug 01 18:23:16 you would think people have better things to do.... Aug 01 18:43:43 bought new eabuds, AKG Aug 01 18:44:17 came with different detacheable cables for both apple-style and nokia-style 4-pin plug :-) Aug 01 18:46:12 o that's cool, so I guess it has a mic? Aug 01 18:47:03 i guess Aug 01 18:49:18 I mostly bought them for the noise canceling feature Aug 01 18:49:22 speaking of... Aug 01 18:50:00 * ShadowJK switches on the air conditioner Aug 01 18:50:04 hehe Aug 01 18:50:10 i got an AKG K450 Aug 01 18:50:13 oh awesome Aug 01 18:50:21 Nice NC Aug 01 18:50:23 the N900 drives them very well, but they don't exactly need a lot of power Aug 01 18:50:39 though it doesn't fix objects on desk vibrating and falling off Aug 01 18:51:12 Most in-ears have so high sensitivity and low impedance, that only volume 1 notch above mute is usable Aug 01 18:51:15 i measured it and it did around 96dB, if the measurement is accurate Aug 01 18:51:20 these are better in that regard Aug 01 18:51:41 volume at 100%, not 88% Aug 01 18:52:43 your air conditioner vibrates objects in your desk? Aug 01 18:52:57 you sure that's not an airplane turbine? Aug 01 18:53:46 it's a cheap "portable" unit, on woodboard floor Aug 01 18:54:36 So the piston compressor is vibrating against the floor Aug 01 18:59:43 I've seen people using such a portable unit inside a shop in a shopping mall :) Aug 01 19:00:26 I'm sure the ones running the centralized air conditioning for the mall appreciate people doing this :D Aug 01 19:06:26 lol Aug 01 19:06:52 ShadowJK: how are the AKG? Aug 01 19:07:18 I might want to get them tomorrow, for a silent flight on monday Aug 01 19:10:27 btw apple-style=AHJ, Nokia-style==OMTP Aug 01 19:10:48 http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/572/ Aug 01 19:12:26 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#TRRS_Standards Aug 01 19:21:12 It canot get mentioned too often that AHJ is mere brainfuck, invented by Apple to "differentiate" and make it maximum cumbersome for 2nd source equipment suppliers to find matching jacks Aug 01 19:22:06 from an EE perspective, it's the most idiotic thing you could come up with to have the ultra-sensitive microphone input hot wire on *sleeve* Aug 01 19:24:32 particularly you canot find any plugs with metal hood where the hood is electrically connected to 2nd Ring instead of Sleeve Aug 01 19:27:34 thus you only can use plugs with plastic hood for AHJ, and even those are not _really_ compatible to AHJ since they have a crimp lug connected to Sleeve and that inevitably crimps to - you guessed it, the name gives it away - to sleeve/shielding-braid of your cable Aug 01 19:28:46 see the fine photos on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio) Aug 01 19:31:59 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jack-plug--socket-switch.jpg (6.3mm but all the same, just more obvious), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2-conductor_male_TS_connectors.jpg (same), and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:3.5mm.jpg (example with plastic hood), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Small_jack_plugs.jpg (TRS, no TRRS, but you can see how even the jacks are problematic for AHJ) Aug 01 19:35:00 * DocScrutinizer05 sometimes dreams of running into the guy who "invented" AHJ, at night on a lonely path through the forest Aug 01 19:35:39 >:-S Aug 01 19:37:19 this guy for sure is a disgrace for whole EE community Aug 01 19:38:21 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders when apple will come up with AAA cells that have + and - swapped Aug 01 19:41:13 and the pin on the (now) minus side (which everybody would think is plus, like is on other cells) just 0.5mm smaller diameter than usual, so nobody can insert usual classical AAA into an apple device, but everybody could insert apple AAA into any other device and most certainly kill it instantly by doing so Aug 01 19:52:27 speaking of alkaline cells, modern alkaline batteries' case/encapsulation is positive and would be cheaper to have the nib on the negative pole... heh Aug 01 20:10:13 DocScrutinizer51; (akg) they're excellent Aug 01 20:11:38 ShadowJK: type? Aug 01 20:12:08 ecc3g: there's a reason I came up with this ;-) Aug 01 20:12:12 K391NC Aug 01 20:13:41 There's actually an alkaline shape that has sort of larger pin on minus Aug 01 20:13:51 You get them in AAs from Asia alot Aug 01 20:14:54 Never had AKG before, hearing new things in songs that I didn't know where there :D Aug 01 20:20:52 dang, I want those Aug 01 20:21:04 I hope I can find them in a local stroe tomorrow Aug 01 20:21:12 store Aug 01 20:21:30 ShadowJK: I can't find the switch to on/off the NC. where is itß Aug 01 20:21:33 ? Aug 01 20:23:01 One end of the "box" has permanently attached wire that goes to earplugs, and on/off switch. Other end of box has miniusb and 3.5mm socket Aug 01 20:23:17 They supply 2 different 3.5mm plug-plug cables Aug 01 20:24:26 This review made me pick the akg over some other I was considering http://www.head-fi.org/t/658308/akg-k391-nc-in-ear-noise-cancelling-headphones-first-impression-review Aug 01 20:26:15 As for treble, I disagree a little bit with the review. It's to me, kinda like the Sennheiser treble, with less harshness Aug 01 20:33:27 I had AKG K340 - a damn epiphany Aug 01 20:34:17 in-ear are a bit different from cans, some people don't like in-ear Aug 01 20:34:35 for me, the first shitty in-ear I got (Koss), was an epiphany :) Aug 01 20:35:06 Aug 01 20:35:12 DocScrutinizer05: it is called Web these days :) Aug 01 20:35:17 DocScrutinizer05: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.4/ Aug 01 20:35:48 Sicelo: Aug 01 20:35:55 ~flatbatrecover Aug 01 20:36:01 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. Aug 01 20:37:12 M4rtinK: you lost me Aug 01 20:37:24 he meant Epiphany :p Aug 01 20:37:29 ooh Aug 01 20:37:43 not a very good joke attempt I agree :) Aug 01 20:38:01 steady amber going off .. 'going off' meaning coming on? lol.. English can be wonky sometiems Aug 01 20:41:35 no, it means "steady amber discontinued" Aug 01 20:41:58 err, I meant that when I wrote that factoid Aug 01 20:42:41 "going off" actually been an unfortunate wording. Sorry Aug 01 20:43:55 infobot: no, flatbatrecover is Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. Aug 01 20:44:01 DocScrutinizer05: okay Aug 01 20:44:06 ~flatbatrecover Aug 01 20:44:08 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. Aug 01 20:44:19 thanks :) Aug 01 20:44:22 yw Aug 01 20:44:31 thanks for pointing me to the ambiguity Aug 01 20:47:02 infobot: no, flatbatrecover is Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is Aug 01 20:47:04 OK (no ~bootloop)!. Aug 01 20:47:07 okay, DocScrutinizer05 Aug 01 20:47:14 damn! Aug 01 20:47:59 infobot: no, flatbatrecover is Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no Aug 01 20:48:00 DocScrutinizer05: okay Aug 01 20:48:00 ~bootloop)!. Aug 01 20:48:04 grr Aug 01 20:48:27 infobot: no, flatbatrecover is Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) Aug 01 20:48:29 ! Aug 01 20:48:31 DocScrutinizer05: okay Aug 01 20:49:07 ~flatbatrecover Aug 01 20:49:08 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) Aug 01 20:53:02 M4rtinK: did they seriously call it Gnome Web Aug 01 20:53:28 not even /apple/ called its web browser "web browser" Aug 01 20:53:37 kerio: they do call it Web now :) Aug 01 20:54:25 are they going to rename "empathy" to "instant messenger"? Aug 01 20:54:27 kerio: not really sure if anyone is using it, but it looks like they recently added process-per-tab support Aug 01 20:54:46 well, who knows :) Aug 01 20:54:58 oh god they renamed totem to Videos Aug 01 20:58:07 another sign of gnome devs going mad Aug 01 21:00:55 BTW, this years Guadec just ended :) Aug 01 21:01:26 so quite a lot of Gnome news is flying around Aug 01 21:02:47 BTW, anybody else going to the upcoming Fedora contributor conference (FLOCK) ? Aug 01 21:03:09 it is from 6 to 9 of August in Prague :) Aug 01 21:03:27 asking just in case :) Aug 02 01:47:28 dos1: ^^^^ Aug 02 01:48:04 dos1: Neo900 ZUG will pay for this appearance Aug 02 01:48:09 -Z **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 02 02:59:59 2014