**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 07 02:59:59 2014
Aug 07 13:57:06 <SAiF1> hi..
Aug 07 13:59:20 <SAiF1> offtopic:  so I was asking a kid a few questions and now she says king kong is an animal. How can I explain to her that it is not a real animal?? or is it??
Aug 07 13:59:47 <SAiF1> :D
Aug 07 14:21:01 <DocScrutinizer05> hooooooooooooooola maemonians!
Aug 07 14:23:44 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05!
Aug 07 14:23:51 <kerio> you're not 51 anymore!
Aug 07 14:33:00 <DocScrutinizer05> you're riggggght but you should tell this publicly! 
Aug 07 14:34:31 <DocScrutinizer05> nice flaw in vnc protocol, no? key repeat is done on target, while client sends key-up events and those sometimes get stuck/delayed on their long way ;-P
Aug 07 14:35:20 <DocScrutinizer05> funny
Aug 07 14:35:27 <kerio> why are you using vnc
Aug 07 14:35:34 <kerio> instead of ssh x forwarding
Aug 07 14:35:35 <DocScrutinizer05> why not?
Aug 07 14:36:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't wanna start a local/2nd kmail instance
Aug 07 14:36:15 <DocScrutinizer05> for example
Aug 07 14:37:25 <DocScrutinizer05> though frekkin akonadi should actually offer a flawless operation of multiple kmail clients concurrently. I'm nevertheless reluctant to try it right now
Aug 07 14:37:57 <DocScrutinizer05> sound rationale?
Aug 07 14:38:03 <kerio> DO IT
Aug 07 14:38:06 <kerio> YOU PUSSY
Aug 07 14:38:12 <DocScrutinizer05> pffff
Aug 07 14:38:14 <kerio> at worst you only lose all of your emails
Aug 07 14:38:20 <kerio> no biggie
Aug 07 14:38:27 <DocScrutinizer05> exactly, damn emails
Aug 07 14:38:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ;)
Aug 07 14:42:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and, everything fine here?
Aug 07 14:44:11 <DocScrutinizer05> (why vnc) I also can tell if my GF is messing with my PC at home ;-P
Aug 07 14:45:26 * DocScrutinizer05 enables the webcam >:-)
Aug 07 14:47:03 <kerio> pics pls
Aug 07 14:57:54 <DocScrutinizer05> oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, internet lags in the 5s range
Aug 07 15:08:32 <bencoh> high latency, high throughput, large buffers ... perfect for tv streaming ... why would you want to spend your time on something more intersting ? ;p
Aug 07 17:23:52 <Ashley`> oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, indeed! xD
Aug 07 18:05:43 <drathir> ~ping
Aug 07 18:05:43 <infobot> ~pong
Aug 07 18:05:53 <drathir> ~wifi fix
Aug 07 18:06:05 <drathir> ~usb_fix
Aug 07 18:06:56 <bencoh> ~usbfix
Aug 07 18:06:57 <infobot> usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, you will basically need two irons: a small good one and a 60+ Watt
Aug 07 18:08:25 <drathir> ~wififix
Aug 07 18:08:32 <drathir> bencoh: thanx
Aug 07 18:08:38 <drathir> ~wifi
Aug 07 18:08:39 <infobot> i heard wifi is see wireless or for a small compact non-port-blocking card, get one of these a) linksys wcf12 for only $65 shipped from buy.com b) netgear MA701NA for $65 shipped from buy.com c) socket LOW POWER wlan (amazing battery life) for $160 + shipping on buy.com, or better than nothing
Aug 07 18:09:01 <drathir> ~wirelessfix
Aug 07 18:09:38 <drathir> ~wireless
Aug 07 18:09:38 <infobot> it has been said that wireless is never having to say: 'brb - bathroom'
Aug 07 18:40:00 <drathir> looks like more important issue with wifi, exchange both antenas not helped to gain wifi signal strenght...
Aug 07 18:44:11 <DocScrutinizer51> Ashley`: nice flaw in vnc protocol, no? key repeat is done on target, while client sends key-up events and those sometimes get stuck/delayed on their long way ;-P
Aug 07 18:45:04 <DocScrutinizer51> when that happens you gettttttttttttttttttttttttttttt lots of key-repeats
Aug 07 21:40:48 <DocScrutinizer51> quiet earth?
Aug 07 21:45:48 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Aug 07 21:45:49 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: :)
Aug 07 21:48:03 <DocScrutinizer51> ~wiki quiet earth 
Aug 07 21:48:15 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Earth (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the novel|the film|The Quiet Earth (film)}} {{Infobox book | | name = The Quiet Earth | title_orig = | translator = | image = | caption = | author = Craig Harrison | illustrator = | cover_artist = | country = New Zealand | language = English | series = | genre = | publisher = | release_date = 1981 | english_release_date = | media_type = | pages = | isbn = 0-340-26507-8 | ...
Aug 07 21:51:29 * nox- is still here
Aug 07 21:51:31 <nox-> :)
Aug 07 21:51:43 <nox-> and my n900 still works as well
Aug 07 21:58:27 <DocScrutinizer51> and I got another reconnect thanks to 8/8bars signal 3G but spanish bullshit quality, and while typing this yet another
Aug 07 21:59:06 <DocScrutinizer51> movistar my ass
Aug 07 21:59:18 <DocScrutinizer51> ~wiki quiet earth 
Aug 07 21:59:31 <infobot> At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Earth (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the novel|the film|The Quiet Earth (film)}} {{Infobox book | | name = The Quiet Earth | title_orig = | translator = | image = | caption = | author = Craig Harrison | illustrator = | cover_artist = | country = New Zealand | language = English | series = | genre = | publisher = | release_date = 1981 | english_release_date = | media_type = | pages = | isbn = 0-340-26507-8 | ...
Aug 07 22:00:13 <DocScrutinizer51> ~useless
Aug 07 22:00:13 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :(
Aug 07 22:03:39 <DocScrutinizer51> nox-: good to hear of tou and ur n900
Aug 07 22:08:12 <nox-> DocScrutinizer51, was wondering if you meant this # by that but maybe you were really just trying to look up the movie/book... :)
Aug 07 22:08:52 <DocScrutinizer51> movie
Aug 07 22:09:56 <nox-> ok, enjoy :)
Aug 07 22:10:04 <DocScrutinizer51> well, sitting amidst RL here, quite earth isn't to the point anyway
Aug 07 22:10:32 <nox-> ok :)
Aug 07 22:10:46 <DocScrutinizer51> at least 15 real humans around me
Aug 07 22:10:56 <nox-> vacation?
Aug 07 22:11:09 <DocScrutinizer51> yup
Aug 07 22:11:21 <nox-> :)  have fun!
Aug 07 22:12:04 <DocScrutinizer51> gracias
Aug 07 22:14:10 <DocScrutinizer51> spotting lighthouses. its actually fun
Aug 07 22:22:49 <dos1> Joerg discovers joys of the mythical land called "real world" :)
Aug 07 22:23:30 <dos1> well, you can stop daydreaming now - we all know that there's nothing outside of the internet ;)
Aug 07 22:23:40 <nox-> haha
Aug 07 22:24:05 <Luke-Jr> DocScrutinizer51: any advice for reverse engineering ARM binaries? :/
Aug 07 22:24:27 <Luke-Jr> I have pretty much everything working on my Nest thermostat except battery charging :/
Aug 07 22:24:42 <Luke-Jr> which apparently I need to control in software despite it being on power 24/7
Aug 07 22:31:26 <javispedro> Luke-Jr: hey, if it's elf, I am yet to find anything free better than objdump..
Aug 07 22:31:58 <Luke-Jr> javispedro: objdump doesn't even associate the dynamic symbol table to jumps :/
Aug 07 22:32:06 <javispedro> -dR 
Aug 07 22:32:12 <bef0rd> hopper kinda supports ARM elf, not free though
Aug 07 22:32:15 <javispedro> (from memory)
Aug 07 22:32:38 <Luke-Jr> bef0rd: I tried that, it was unusable UIwise.
Aug 07 22:33:14 <javispedro> tbh I need nothing from such a tool other than properly parsing of sections, relocation table (imports mostly)
Aug 07 22:33:58 <javispedro> so if you're lucky enough to have a format that libbfd (what objdump uses) can parse then objdump -dR is quite great
Aug 07 22:35:15 <javispedro> and from all the commercial tools ida is the only one supporting more formats than libbfd (by a few orders of magnitude...)
Aug 07 22:36:38 <Luke-Jr> javispedro: -R seemed to do nothing more :/
Aug 07 22:36:47 <Luke-Jr> 22 line perl script seems to help though XD
Aug 07 22:38:00 <javispedro> the last time I noticed this it was with llvm binaries
Aug 07 22:38:13 <javispedro> which seemingly use a new kind of ipc-relative jumps that confuses objdump
Aug 07 22:38:18 <javispedro> *pc-relative :P
Aug 07 22:40:35 * drathir get "new" n900 w/o working screen...
Aug 07 22:41:25 <drathir> new by me owner before someone owners have too...
Aug 07 22:45:41 <DocScrutinizer51> javispedro: heya hola! dondes tu?
Aug 07 22:46:05 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: barcelona as usual =)
Aug 07 22:46:46 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: how's bussiness?
Aug 07 22:46:57 <DocScrutinizer51> oooh that's just a hated stop over at my journey back home
Aug 07 22:47:50 <javispedro> Can't believe people aren't scared of the heat around here and continue going south =)
Aug 07 22:48:10 <DocScrutinizer51> business is recovwering from business for now, spotting lighthouses at street of gibraltar
Aug 07 22:53:13 <DocScrutinizer51> i wish I would stop for long enough in barce to at least have a beer with you
Aug 07 22:56:29 <javispedro> heh
Aug 07 22:58:12 <Luke-Jr> javispedro: I don't suppose you feel like a reverse engineering challenge by any chance? :P
Aug 07 22:58:23 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: just a flight stopover?
Aug 07 22:58:37 <DocScrutinizer51> yup
Aug 07 22:59:06 <javispedro> Luke-Jr: I'm considering buying a gear2 tomorrow which I plan to root on day1 so I'm resting today in preparation =)
Aug 07 22:59:18 <Luke-Jr> aww
Aug 07 23:00:20 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: (that is a mistake...) j/k, enjoy gibraltar :)
Aug 07 23:00:56 <DocScrutinizer51> barbate, madhouse
Aug 07 23:01:54 <javispedro> never been to the area, but I totally expect it to be an apocalyptic desert 
Aug 07 23:02:14 <javispedro> :)
Aug 07 23:04:56 <DocScrutinizer51> one of the worst things: each night (right now) some giant farts at the whole town, takes your breath
Aug 07 23:05:56 <DocScrutinizer51> (I suspect some blackwater facility with a timer to dump stuff)
Aug 07 23:08:31 <DocScrutinizer51> been in los canos de meca till 2 days ago and thought all the hippies with shit under their scalp must have met there. here however it's 20 times worse and no hippies but *normalos* :-o
Aug 07 23:10:21 <javispedro> hah
Aug 07 23:17:16 <DocScrutinizer51> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140806_001.jpg a cat
Aug 07 23:19:51 <javispedro> well no fumes and there's even some vegetation. better than I thought! =)
Aug 07 23:22:53 <DocScrutinizer51> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140806_003.jpg to  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140806_011.jpg : los canos at night
Aug 07 23:24:09 <DocScrutinizer51> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140806_015.jpg and on: barbate at daytime,  night doesn't differ though
Aug 07 23:26:36 <DocScrutinizer51> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140806_017.jpg is nice - boat in front, marocco in backhround
Aug 07 23:27:32 <DocScrutinizer51> I lovw that shot since the main motive is almost invisible
Aug 07 23:33:05 <DocScrutinizer51> love*
Aug 07 23:35:52 <drathir> DocScrutinizer51: holiday?
Aug 07 23:36:09 <DocScrutinizer51> yoh
Aug 07 23:36:20 <drathir> so great...
Aug 07 23:36:23 <DocScrutinizer51> trying to...
Aug 07 23:36:57 <drathir> yea We see^^ on the irc ;p
Aug 07 23:37:09 <drathir> joke ofc...
Aug 07 23:38:23 <DocScrutinizer51> flood comes http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140806_026.jpg  (nightmode still shot)
Aug 07 23:41:24 <nox-> will the neo900 have a bettter camera btw?
Aug 07 23:41:56 <DocScrutinizer51> no
Aug 07 23:42:03 <nox-> :/
Aug 07 23:43:11 <DocScrutinizer51> well, some say the N97 cam is better. I say it's the 100% same cam module just with a flat cable attached
Aug 07 23:43:49 <nox-> wll im sure i have seen better phone camera shots than these :)
Aug 07 23:43:58 <nox-> (not by n900)
Aug 07 23:44:48 <DocScrutinizer51> Im a poor photographer
Aug 07 23:45:00 <DocScrutinizer51> and my cam has issues
Aug 07 23:45:20 <nox-> hm
Aug 07 23:45:23 <nox-> still
Aug 07 23:45:35 <dos1> n900 can do pretty good photos in daylight
Aug 07 23:45:50 <nox-> yeah night is clearly harder...
Aug 07 23:46:36 <DocScrutinizer51> p4ticularly when nightmode craps its pants
Aug 07 23:46:45 <DocScrutinizer51> par*
Aug 07 23:47:19 <DocScrutinizer51> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140807_002.jpg is great however, just a tad shaky
Aug 07 23:48:06 <nox-> yeah its better but...
Aug 07 23:48:15 <DocScrutinizer51> I wish I had taken my fuji and my 250mW green laser with me
Aug 07 23:48:24 <nox-> also video shooting is still low fps on neo900?
Aug 07 23:48:55 <DocScrutinizer51> hm?
Aug 07 23:49:07 <nox-> as low as on n900 i mean :)
Aug 07 23:49:57 <nox-> some phone cameras can shoot 1080p...
Aug 07 23:50:01 <DocScrutinizer51> it's the same cam module and a dsp that's roughly ywice as fast
Aug 07 23:50:09 <nox-> hmm
Aug 07 23:50:28 <nox-> so some improvements possible i guess at least...
Aug 07 23:50:31 <dos1> n900 can do 720p
Aug 07 23:50:44 <dos1> with slight dsp overclocking
Aug 07 23:51:04 <nox-> hmm
Aug 07 23:51:16 <DocScrutinizer51> on Neo900 no OC needed
Aug 07 23:51:20 <nox-> *nod*
Aug 07 23:51:47 <bencoh> that's one noisy picture
Aug 07 23:52:04 <bencoh> oh, the second one is better (well, daylight)
Aug 07 23:52:23 <DocScrutinizer51> I just wish the whole crap will run more stable
Aug 07 23:52:31 <bencoh> hm ?
Aug 07 23:52:35 <bencoh> more stable ?
Aug 07 23:53:33 <DocScrutinizer51> toldya I got issues lately with dsp shirring its pants particularly in night mode
Aug 07 23:53:43 <bencoh> oh, that
Aug 07 23:54:21 <bencoh> did you try bless900 btw ?
Aug 07 23:54:31 <bencoh> blessn900*
Aug 07 23:54:39 <DocScrutinizer51> ugh yes, ages ago
Aug 07 23:55:12 <DocScrutinizer51> but eventually the driver improvements got adoptes by fcam aiui
Aug 07 23:56:29 <bencoh> oh ?
Aug 07 23:56:45 <bencoh> I guess I should try fcam some day
Aug 07 23:56:56 <bencoh> well it's not like I take pictures anyway
Aug 07 23:57:24 <nox-> yeah its just when you have only the phone not a real camera :)
Aug 07 23:58:44 <bencoh> :)
Aug 08 00:07:31 <dos1> I took this photo with blessn900 shallow mode a few years ago: https://i.imgur.com/sxQsot4.jpg
Aug 08 00:08:01 <nox-> heh
Aug 08 00:08:16 <bencoh> oh, nice
Aug 08 00:08:23 <nox-> yeah :)
Aug 08 00:10:47 <dos1> however, it was pretty hard to get decent results with that mode - any slightest shake during the shot could ruin the effect
Aug 08 00:13:02 <DocScrutinizer51> which is what happened to "flood comes"
Aug 08 00:13:40 <DocScrutinizer51> alas no chance to redo that show ;)
Aug 08 00:15:17 <DocScrutinizer51> shot
Aug 08 00:55:00 * drathir need check neo900 infos...
Aug 08 01:10:30 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: nox-: besides I think those .jpegs are recompressed
Aug 08 01:11:14 <nox-> *nod*
Aug 08 01:11:18 <nox-> bbl
Aug 08 01:11:22 <javispedro> same, gnite
Aug 08 01:11:47 <javispedro> well, as soon as I manage to upload this garbage to the batch queue...
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