**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 19 02:59:59 2014 Aug 19 11:46:42 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Aug 19 12:44:30 somehow I think in Spain the telcos have already started next round of price battle which is unknown yet in Germany Aug 19 12:47:20 16bucks for ADSL and mobile free voice minutes and 1.5GB mobile data Aug 19 12:47:27 neat Aug 19 12:47:36 wait what's a buck Aug 19 12:48:39 EUR Aug 19 12:52:04 i see Aug 19 12:52:06 yeah that's not bad Aug 19 12:52:20 i pay 5€ for 100mb/day Aug 19 12:52:37 but that's not tied to my landline Aug 19 12:52:41 which isn't mine, it's my parents' Aug 19 12:52:44 (technically) Aug 19 12:53:14 I pay like 25€ for 50 down, 10 up Aug 19 12:53:26 well fuck you and your l33t home connection Aug 19 12:53:28 But also Phoneflatrate Aug 19 12:53:43 i pay 25€ for 20down 1up Aug 19 12:53:43 In the whole Germanys Aug 19 12:53:48 ic Aug 19 12:53:51 which is like 16down 1up at best Aug 19 12:53:55 *eg* Aug 19 12:54:12 but yeah, i also have a flat rate for any national call Aug 19 12:54:26 APic: which provider? Aug 19 12:54:36 kabel? Aug 19 12:54:36 M-Net Aug 19 12:54:51 Munich City Public Utilities Aug 19 12:55:01 V-DSL which gets transformed to Fiber Optic Aug 19 12:55:09 Pretty close to the Building Aug 19 12:55:10 neat Aug 19 12:55:11 M-net offers 50 dpwn?? Aug 19 12:55:13 Yeah. Aug 19 12:55:18 DocScrutinizer51: you live in the wrong city Aug 19 12:55:25 Munich owns Aug 19 12:55:27 unless you live in munich Aug 19 12:55:31 B-) Aug 19 12:55:32 in which case you live in the right city but you suck Aug 19 12:55:54 You cannot possess every Thing Aug 19 12:55:59 Or Attribute Aug 19 12:55:59 I'd hate to live in munich Aug 19 12:56:33 but sweet internets Aug 19 12:56:44 but I'm pretty sure M-net is available in Nue as well Aug 19 12:56:58 65 euro/month for 24/3 Mb/s home ADSL (with routed 29-prefix ipv4, 48-prefix ipv6, absolutely no filtering), 5 euro/month for mobile contract with unlimited data at blazing fast 512 kb/s, obviously no free minutes or messages Aug 19 12:57:02 Yeah, they expanded quite a Lot Aug 19 12:57:27 Well, they block complete V4 from the Outside Aug 19 12:57:28 I even think I (technicqally my landlord and friend) have M-net Aug 19 12:57:34 Can only be reached from the Intarwebs with V6 Aug 19 12:57:37 But that's ok Aug 19 12:57:40 V6 > V4 B-) Aug 19 12:58:29 but we got 16v2 Aug 19 12:58:37 16/2 Aug 19 12:58:49 So ADSL2+ instead of VDSL prolly Aug 19 12:58:51 for sth like 25 Aug 19 12:58:56 k Aug 19 12:59:11 yep, no vdsl Aug 19 12:59:43 and I think we couldn't even get VDSL from m-net Aug 19 13:00:28 wnd: unlimited mobile data? what Aug 19 13:00:35 i thought it didn't exist Aug 19 13:02:40 I never tried saturating the line 24/7, but that's what they claim Aug 19 13:03:06 i thought i was lucky to get 1gb/day for 30€ Aug 19 13:03:14 (also free ipad) Aug 19 13:04:10 "with routed 29-prefix ipv4" <3 Aug 19 13:04:42 is that a commercial ISP or a non-profit/volunteers ornganization ? :) Aug 19 13:04:46 kerio: at 512kbps the data volume per month is factually technically pretty limited ;P Aug 19 13:05:20 bencoh: 8 addresses is pretty fucking awesome Aug 19 13:05:22 ok, 6 Aug 19 13:05:23 ls Aug 19 13:05:29 er, whoops Aug 19 13:05:31 commercial ISP, mainly aimed at businesses, but I'm just a regular customer Aug 19 13:05:43 DocScrutinizer51: i have to constantly keep track of what i'm using Aug 19 13:05:46 otherwise i end up paying more Aug 19 13:05:51 20c/100mb Aug 19 13:05:51 kerio: yeah Aug 19 13:06:53 (well you can get that from business-aiming ISP here ... as well as from volunteer organizations :) Aug 19 13:07:01 but it's always surprising :) Aug 19 13:07:12 kerio: with my O2 inet-m plan it's even worse. I fall back to sth like 20ct per 10kb or minute Aug 19 13:07:31 SUCKERS Aug 19 13:07:31 512 kbps is 64KB/s right Aug 19 13:07:32 I used to have two static IP addresses until they fscked up their set up, breaking my ipv6 regularly. I suppose they got fed up with my support tickets and offered to replace the bridged+routed abomination with a (routed) subnet, free of charge. Being their customer for the past seven years probably had a say there. Aug 19 13:07:54 kerio: kinda Aug 19 13:08:06 though not RL Aug 19 13:08:15 ok even assuming it's 512000 bits Aug 19 13:08:22 it's more like 50 Aug 19 13:08:54 it's still 123.5GB/month Aug 19 13:09:05 hmm, s/customer/consumer/ Aug 19 13:09:16 "bridged+routed abomination" haha :-) Aug 19 13:15:19 kerio: maybe if the provider would offer that speed 24/7 Aug 19 13:16:03 s/offer/support/ Aug 19 13:17:12 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Aug 19 13:17:25 o.O Aug 19 13:17:33 DocScrutinizer51: i expect a provider to provide 50KB/s Aug 19 13:17:36 i mean come on Aug 19 13:18:25 wb erlehmann Aug 19 13:18:41 sure, but they may throttle that to incredib.y low speed after you tripped some volume threshold Aug 19 13:19:09 my provider used to do that last year Aug 19 13:19:24 like, they reserved the right to throttle you down HARD if you used too much in a single day Aug 19 13:19:32 no wait, if you used too much over three or four days Aug 19 13:23:23 yeah, they do that any damn way they lie Aug 19 13:23:38 like* Aug 19 13:24:03 bandwidth never is guaranteed Aug 19 13:24:30 hi APic Aug 19 13:24:49 even on ADSL they use to offer "up to" bandwidth Aug 19 13:25:33 it's a damn scam Aug 19 13:26:19 well i never got throttled this year Aug 19 13:26:32 but then again there were like literally no people around Aug 19 13:26:43 yeah, but technically they could Aug 19 13:26:47 of course Aug 19 13:26:49 they own the routers Aug 19 13:27:17 and they will when you try do 'abuse' your flatrate Aug 19 13:28:23 erlehmann: Unteralterbach.net still resides on my patient .plan  B-) Aug 19 13:28:31 APic lel Aug 19 13:28:36 lulz Aug 19 13:29:15 APic: ??? Aug 19 13:29:44 a riddle? Aug 19 13:33:51 Yes, ignore my Conservations with erlehmann please, we were offtopic, sorry. Aug 19 13:36:24 np, just wondering Aug 19 13:36:53 DocScrutinizer05 i designed the web site for the visual novel http://unteralterbach.net Aug 19 13:36:57 APic knows Aug 19 13:37:28 *nod* Aug 19 13:38:28 aah, visual novel. Aug 19 14:03:25 visual novels on the n900? :) Aug 19 14:05:17 DocScrutinizer51: The name for sourcefiles of UAB2.0 is nice :-P Aug 19 14:11:46 ? Aug 19 14:13:47 jon_y: Yes, even the N900 has several Webbrowsers available. B-) Aug 19 14:14:01 APic: web based VN? Aug 19 14:14:11 Yes? Aug 19 14:14:28 non-Japanese VNs tend to use renPy Aug 19 14:14:43 probably runs on the N900 too Aug 19 18:01:31 is there a youtube app for maemo what works with most videos? Aug 19 18:13:08 you happen to know about a (good) offline aka local dicionary De/En/Es ? For N900 Aug 19 18:14:20 DocScrutinizer51: is the GUI or the dictionary the problem? Aug 19 18:29:59 well, I take whaever I can get ;D Aug 19 18:30:20 of course a cmdline tool isn't ideal Aug 19 18:30:58 Well for en I use mstardict with a dictionary from dict.cc Aug 19 18:31:21 sounds good Aug 19 18:31:42 since it starts with 'm' ;D Aug 19 18:31:50 thanks! Aug 19 18:31:58 you say that until you find out that you have to convert the dict.cc dictionary with a stardict tool Aug 19 18:32:32 ouch Aug 19 18:33:20 I probably should have created a wiki entry for this.. Aug 19 19:52:50 DocScrutinizer05;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/18/linux_kernel_devs_made_to_finger_their_dongles_before_contributing_code/ Aug 19 19:53:11 DocScrutinizer05; click comments. scroll down to "Good Start". Upvote ;-) Aug 19 20:05:09 ShadowJK: :D Aug 19 20:05:56 DocScrutinizer51: to save you checking the url on roaming: "Now if they can just find a way to stop Lennart Poettering from making any more malicious changes" ;) Aug 19 20:06:54 HAH! :-) Aug 19 20:08:12 dos1: :D Aug 19 20:08:13 worth a vnc session Aug 19 20:51:25 hi M4rtinK :) Aug 19 21:02:04 sixwheeledbeast: hi! :) Aug 19 21:03:20 M4rtinK: I used Modrana to track while walking Snowdon last week Aug 19 21:04:24 sixwheeledbeast: nice! did it work fine ? :) Aug 19 21:04:45 M4rtinK: unfortunately not :( Aug 19 21:04:56 aww Aug 19 21:05:08 I had sigx issues several times Aug 19 21:05:22 ShadowJK: sorry, requires a registering I'm not willing to do Aug 19 21:05:28 which eventually killed the battery Aug 19 21:06:03 yeah, it would probably be fine with screen off as a logging-only device Aug 19 21:06:03 you know, black screen with the backlight on. Aug 19 21:06:21 Anyway some feedback... Aug 19 21:06:45 I wonder if there is some recent change that made it worse regarding the SGX crash... Aug 19 21:07:20 Tried with my usual setup, black screen issue after ~30 minutes. Aug 19 21:07:45 then with swap on device in stock location, black screen after ~5 minutes. Aug 19 21:08:33 then swap on device and power kernel at stock settings, black screen after ~5 miuntes Aug 19 21:08:59 that's interesting Aug 19 21:09:17 looks like the faster (?) it can, the faster it happens Aug 19 21:09:33 maybe some sort of out of memory issue ? Aug 19 21:09:34 However, I had good results by setting the tracking settings to 5secs log, 1minute record. Aug 19 21:09:43 that would indeed happen faster with on device swap Aug 19 21:10:04 it did influence the crash ? Aug 19 21:11:00 M4rtinK: did which influence the crash? Aug 19 21:13:23 I mean if memory consumption might be influencing it Aug 19 21:14:09 I seemed to work out that longer logging and saving periods stopped the crashing. The OTB 1sec/10sec settings cause issues. Aug 19 21:14:11 could you try something like running a script that runs free>memory.log every 10 seconds ? Aug 19 21:14:32 hmm, that's strange Aug 19 21:14:50 that indeed should be pretty much independent of graphics Aug 19 21:15:19 Example I logged the trip home in the car fine for ~2hours with log 5sec/save 1min Aug 19 21:15:22 well it uses GObject timers Aug 19 21:15:54 so there might be a race condition that does not trigger if the timer is longer Aug 19 21:16:23 well, I guess all at this to the docs as a potential workaround Aug 19 21:17:38 Also some other feedback, I seem to be dumped out of the menus if I select some options this is not ideal. Aug 19 21:18:14 Say for example changing the colour of a tracklog Aug 19 21:18:47 dumped ? Aug 19 21:19:22 Sorry, as in back to the map screen :) Aug 19 21:19:25 oh, yeah - it should go back to the submenu, not to map Aug 19 21:19:36 ok, noted :) Aug 19 21:19:49 BTW, there is a few other such kinks Aug 19 21:20:07 for example long pressing the back button should always return you back to the map Aug 19 21:20:17 but there are still some menus that don't do that :D Aug 19 21:20:44 okay I didn't know that Aug 19 21:20:48 (as the back button handling was no united in early modRana development and old code is still lurking) Aug 19 21:21:17 well, it is not very discoverable & modRana lacks a proper manual Aug 19 21:21:33 so now you know it :) Aug 19 21:22:38 :D also changing the "mode" does this but I feel this is useful. Aug 19 21:22:43 also you can zoom by volume buttons :) Aug 19 21:22:58 yeah, that is working as intended Aug 19 21:23:18 sometimes it is on purpose - and sometimes by mistake :) Aug 19 21:25:30 any reports how to improve the GUI are of course welcome Aug 19 21:26:40 :nod: the only other thing I struggle to reproduce is a crash. If I scroll around the map with "dragging on full redraw" if I have lots of tiles downloading it can crash. However, I fail to reproduce it in a terminal for any output :( Aug 19 21:30:12 well, there is a lot of outdated & hacked together libs that can go boom :) Aug 19 21:30:54 on Maemo Aug 19 21:31:51 one library segfaulting while being called by Python Aug 19 21:32:19 and the only output you normally get is the line: "segmentation fault" :) Aug 19 21:32:35 :nod: it's ok, I just hate intermittent issues. I like to provide some debug information with my reports, even if it's segfault :) Aug 19 21:35:09 well, you can tell modRana to always log to file Aug 19 21:35:16 once started Aug 19 21:35:37 Are there any other hidden shortcuts with Modrana? besides holding back button that is :) Aug 19 21:35:39 so that should give you something once you get another crash Aug 19 21:41:44 you can zoom with volume buttons Aug 19 21:42:50 but I think that's pretty much it Aug 19 21:42:56 maybe some less apparent functionality Aug 19 21:43:05 like setting your position on a POI Aug 19 21:43:21 batch updating only the tiles you have Aug 19 21:43:31 the configurable widgets Aug 19 21:43:42 telling modRana not to download/store map tiles Aug 19 21:43:59 moving the various folders (tiles, tracklogs, etc.) Aug 19 21:44:05 with config values Aug 19 21:44:22 Only thinking you could have a "quick guide" in the info menu for the shortcuts? I guess the keyboard keys aren't used to move about the menus? Aug 19 21:44:41 well, not yet Aug 19 21:45:06 would be indeed a nice addition :) Aug 19 21:45:23 I've been thinking about adding support for the gamegripper :) Aug 19 21:45:38 like moving the map/navigating if you have mittens :) Aug 19 21:46:02 would be fun :) Aug 19 21:46:42 also a bit hidden functionality Aug 19 21:46:53 modRana has various CLI options Aug 19 21:47:17 you can for example tell it to search for the nearest pizza and show the results Aug 19 21:47:41 it even handles all the stuff like waiting for connectivity and GPS to become available :) Aug 19 21:48:08 this was added for the Saera speech recognition app to use :) Aug 19 21:49:41 well I like the popular "qwer" option. mapping the buttons to letters in order like many Qt apps do. OMP for example. Aug 19 21:50:04 how does it work ? Aug 19 21:50:06 It there a way/option to start modrana fullscreen? Aug 19 21:50:23 accelerators based on labels or is it based on position ? Aug 19 21:50:34 so for example the first button is Q and the second button is W etc etc Aug 19 21:50:52 position Aug 19 21:51:08 CSSU hildon desktop is the same Aug 19 21:51:36 well, buttons can get a bit blurry in modRana :) Aug 19 21:51:48 so in task switcher Q will open first task and E will open 3rd task Aug 19 21:51:49 a lot of stuff is clickable and is not really a button :) Aug 19 21:52:22 Ctrl and Q will close the first task. Aug 19 21:52:35 but I guess it wouldn't be hard to do at least for the main menus Aug 19 21:52:36 Something I use regularly. Aug 19 21:52:37 lists Aug 19 21:52:40 back button, etc Aug 19 21:53:46 :nod: even the backspace and arrows would be helpful for the keyboard uses. Aug 19 21:55:11 yeah Aug 19 21:55:35 Is there a way/option to start modrana fullscreen? Aug 19 21:55:40 I've used keyboard shortcusts quite extensively in the original Clutter based Mieru GUI Aug 19 21:55:54 not yet but I've added a RFE for it :) Aug 19 21:56:01 should be easy to add :) Aug 19 21:56:33 BTW, I'm adding all your feedback as issues here: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues/ :) Aug 19 21:56:49 fell free to comment, track progress, etc. :) Aug 19 21:58:42 :nod: I have been. Also a request to add a close button as a menu box. If you are in fullscreen there is no way to close the application ;) Aug 19 22:02:37 sure there is :) Aug 19 22:02:52 in the power button menu Aug 19 22:03:15 but that kinda killalls the application :) Aug 19 22:03:45 also modRana already can show & does show a close button in the menu Aug 19 22:04:13 it is just not enabled on the N900 Aug 19 22:04:23 but I guess I can add switch Aug 19 22:44:18 :) Aug 19 22:51:24 M4rtinK: how about making streetname display fontsize user selectable? Or zoom in further on a given zommlevel of map data, whatever is needed tomake those names readable Aug 19 22:52:30 that's part of the the tile image Aug 19 22:53:17 and it gets it already rendered Aug 19 22:53:20 when I zoom in, it momentarily shows zl16 in a magnified size so I could read names, but then it loads zl17 and names shrink again to illegibiity Aug 19 22:53:50 I'm not aware of implementing this functionality :) Aug 19 22:53:57 BTW, you can set a scale factor Aug 19 22:54:05 if I don't mix that up with another app now Aug 19 22:54:11 that should increase readability at the cost of blurriness Aug 19 22:54:32 some apps do what you describe but modRana not (well, yet) Aug 19 22:54:38 that sounds exactly waht I'm looking for Aug 19 22:54:43 its an ofte used trick Aug 19 22:54:54 to show something to the user before you actually have the data Aug 19 22:55:07 :nod: Aug 19 22:55:26 DocScrutinizer05: Options->Map->Scaling Aug 19 22:55:34 I have same problem with mappero and marble as well Aug 19 22:55:49 :-D Aug 19 22:56:27 well, In modRana you just set the scale and that's it :) Aug 19 22:56:27 lemme test that right away :) Aug 19 23:02:55 nice! many thanks! Now I only wish tha map data would actually *provide* street names for Barbate, Spain Aug 19 23:03:06 well it would help if Barbate had OSM streetnames on the tiles :) Aug 19 23:03:35 I put a few on for you ;) Aug 19 23:03:37 yup Aug 19 23:03:53 really? wow! Aug 19 23:03:54 well, fire up OSM2GO and get mapping! :) Aug 19 23:04:36 that's pretty hard since often you can't find signs here either Aug 19 23:04:48 I've actually done just that once in a small village - started with a road and nothing else Aug 19 23:05:04 street name plates Aug 19 23:05:26 left with all streets, houses, bigger tracks, important POIs, etc. :) Aug 19 23:06:07 the issue with Barbate is the roads need major editing to get the street names correct. Hence why I only did ~5 Aug 19 23:06:22 is there away to exploit google map? Aug 19 23:06:32 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.78082/16.20983 <- there was pey uch Aug 19 23:06:40 *pretty much just that loop Aug 19 23:06:46 nothing else before :) Aug 19 23:07:06 DocScrutinizer05: you can't Aug 19 23:07:31 you can't use license incompatible commercial map layers for OSM mapping Aug 19 23:08:09 some allow that (Bing aerial, really), but Google does not Aug 19 23:08:16 sure. Iasked about using it in modrana Aug 19 23:08:42 yeah, sure it is there :) Aug 19 23:08:46 and I know it's prolly 'illegal' Aug 19 23:08:54 and a few others Aug 19 23:09:05 well, use it at your own risk Aug 19 23:09:18 ooh, so I just need to select google layer? Aug 19 23:09:34 the default is the OSM Mapnik layer, the rest is left to user discretion :) Aug 19 23:09:39 yeah Aug 19 23:09:57 (hint hint: no real hints, no helpfile) Aug 19 23:10:01 you know modRana has a boatload if different map layers, right ? Aug 19 23:10:18 :nod: I did say that last week... Aug 19 23:10:36 no, I actually know pretty little about modrana Aug 19 23:10:37 Options->Map->Map layers Aug 19 23:10:54 k :D Aug 19 23:11:11 well: http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana Aug 19 23:11:30 and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ModRana Aug 19 23:11:38 or modrana.org Aug 19 23:11:44 but I can only do so much Aug 19 23:11:49 so contributions welcome! :) Aug 19 23:12:17 what are the numbers in () ? Aug 19 23:13:15 in Options->Map->Map layers Aug 19 23:15:55 ooh got it Aug 19 23:16:20 those are groups Aug 19 23:16:21 number is the number of layers in group Aug 19 23:16:22 yeah, 14 OSM layers at the moment Aug 19 23:16:23 ...and there will be more once I get to add those that showed up recently :) Aug 19 23:16:50 14? I have !" :( Aug 19 23:16:54 12 Aug 19 23:18:36 well, I'm working with modRana from Git master branch :) Aug 19 23:18:38 OS maps would be good but unfortunately they don't load for me. Contour lines are very useful when walking. Aug 19 23:18:45 might have already added somethng :) Aug 19 23:19:03 could be that some layers are dead Aug 19 23:19:08 or the URL changed Aug 19 23:19:29 if you tell me which ones I can check & fix or remove them Aug 19 23:20:17 VE OS Aug 19 23:21:05 "Virtual Earth UK Ordnance Survey" Aug 19 23:21:48 wow, downloading needs some throttling Aug 19 23:21:59 I had it set to 50% overlay on OSM Mapnik until it stopped working Aug 19 23:22:15 downloads can have threads set in options. Aug 19 23:22:35 it hogs the device/cpu to a point where typing this is mostly blind Aug 19 23:24:42 :nod: it can trigger watchdog from experience, check out Network > Usage > Max Threads Aug 19 23:25:07 hmm, I think I saw something also with the other VE layers Aug 19 23:25:08 Can't remember the default but I lowered it IIRC. Aug 19 23:26:06 and modrana itself completely freezes -ter clicking "+2" for upper limit of zl ranges to dl Aug 19 23:26:20 that's actually the other threads :) Aug 19 23:26:41 the threads used to fetch tiles when moving the map Aug 19 23:26:58 the tiles used for batch download are not actually GUI configurable yet Aug 19 23:27:12 "+2 UP" Aug 19 23:27:22 and I know about that freeze Aug 19 23:27:43 it computes the tile list in the main thread :P Aug 19 23:28:23 usually does not that very long, but sometimes can Aug 19 23:28:24 wwell as long as it eventually finishes ;-D Aug 19 23:28:53 oh and there was that funny bug where it never ended as the lower limit did not apply :) Aug 19 23:29:21 ouch Aug 19 23:30:14 so how do I tell if I already should kill the app before the app cooks my CPU? Aug 19 23:30:16 and the number of tiles increases exponentially by zoom level (1-4-16-64-256-1024-...) Aug 19 23:30:31 (i asked this a few days ago but possibly the wrong time of day so trying again :)) I'm looking to start playing around with maemo but I see http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php has 'gone away'. Should i be mirroring all the development related files in case they are pulled from nokias various hosting repositories or can i assume they will be available in to the future hosted by others/community? Aug 19 23:33:28 maemo.org is not allowed to distrubute firmware. maemo.org repositories are fine no mirroring required. Aug 19 23:36:56 sixwheeledbeast^: thanks for the info Aug 19 23:38:33 ok M4rtinK2 , I had to kill9 modrana :'( Aug 19 23:39:07 ~tabletsdev Aug 19 23:39:08 rumour has it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads Aug 19 23:39:39 maybe try one zoom level in a smaller area Aug 19 23:40:33 yeah, one needs to get the feel for it :) Aug 19 23:40:55 I tried view+10km_around Aug 19 23:41:32 but at all zoom levels would still be huge. Aug 19 23:42:35 it didn't download significant amount of data, according to my internet connection monitoring Aug 19 23:43:49 thanks for the links doc Aug 19 23:44:01 so it did lock up after the download started ? Aug 19 23:44:07 yw, see /topic Aug 19 23:44:25 or during the batch computation ? Aug 19 23:44:33 M4rtinK2: I dunnoif download started Aug 19 23:44:40 it does not Aug 19 23:44:45 until you press start Aug 19 23:45:11 I only use zoom level 15. generally huge downloads fail for me. I am slowly downloading a full uk map @ zl15 as I travel about. Aug 19 23:45:16 errr, I clicked '+2 UP" and device froze Aug 19 23:45:31 hmm Aug 19 23:45:50 it goes like this download->->->-> Aug 19 23:46:05 then you get to the download menu where you can select to start or edit the batch Aug 19 23:46:09 maybe calculating the tiles? Aug 19 23:46:27 well UP is the last step Aug 19 23:46:35 I selected 'all' for down Aug 19 23:46:43 or whatever it called Aug 19 23:46:57 you if you selected max down before & 160 km :P Aug 19 23:47:31 since I been zoomed in pretty much already, Ididn't think of limiting it to wahtever Aug 19 23:47:31 takes 4.64 s on my i5 Aug 19 23:48:09 ~5 _million_ tiles Aug 19 23:48:32 I used 10km around Aug 19 23:48:42 hmm, that should be fine Aug 19 23:48:55 well, I'll advice to not use all the way down next time :) Aug 19 23:48:59 all down and 2 up from maybe zl16 Aug 19 23:49:36 downloading lower than zl 16-17 for areas bigger than 2 km is not advised Aug 19 23:49:41 that's a lot of tiles :) Aug 19 23:49:51 on the other hand, UL - ALL is fine Aug 19 23:49:59 every layer UP is 4x less tiles Aug 19 23:50:18 *UP- ALL Aug 19 23:50:58 when I cannot dl the detail tiles for my 10km area then dl is worthless Aug 19 23:52:02 if you are using scaling Aug 19 23:52:24 you actually need less detailed tiles for the same effect :) Aug 19 23:53:41 zl 15 & scale 2x is actually blurry zl 16, with scale 4x it is even more blurry zl 17 :) Aug 19 23:54:04 also usually zl 15-16 has enough detail for wide are coverage Aug 19 23:54:08 *area Aug 19 23:54:35 I find zl15 fine for detail. Aug 19 23:54:37 and the trick is to let the downloads just run for a long time if you want a big coverage in detail Aug 19 23:54:58 also, you are making the tile servers eat kittens Aug 19 23:55:15 :) Aug 19 23:55:18 as they usually don't store detailed zls but render them on demand Aug 19 23:55:24 the trick is to *start* download Aug 19 23:55:32 that's usually why it takes so long Aug 19 23:55:35 yeah :) Aug 19 23:55:49 also modRana runs just fine on almost any Linux distro Aug 19 23:55:59 /me starts to rape tile servers for more tiles :D Aug 19 23:56:02 so anohter possibility is to download tiles on PC Aug 19 23:56:10 *another Aug 19 23:56:17 and transfer to N900 Aug 19 23:56:32 meh Aug 19 23:56:38 hmm... Aug 19 23:57:17 the thing not even STARTED download Aug 19 23:57:58 I advise to select a lower level of detail & are for start Aug 19 23:58:07 to see if it can be started Aug 19 23:58:18 or there is a bug preventing it outright Aug 20 00:00:53 anyway, bed time ! :) Aug 20 00:01:21 looking forward to you feedback :) Aug 20 00:16:03 zooming in to detail I need. 5km around view, +0 down, 5up, works Aug 20 00:18:40 downloading 333/6919, 0.00b downloaded Aug 20 00:19:05 IOW bytecounter seems to be defunct Aug 20 00:23:03 dl speed from google is abysml though Aug 20 00:23:25 100kbit/s at best Aug 20 00:31:30 anyway, ~2 tiles per second, ETA 1h I guess Aug 20 00:33:42 I bet the real problem been selecting 'all' for zl depth down and thus triggering the bug m4rtin mentioned Aug 20 00:33:59 about undefined lower level Aug 20 00:47:47 halfway done Aug 20 00:48:10 btw no loadat all on CPU, at any time Aug 20 01:34:46 message after dl finished is kinda .. :-x Aug 20 01:35:49 all tiles found locally. Total size of tiles unknown (click to check). Aug 20 01:36:16 of course nothing to click in vicinity Aug 20 01:59:56 fun how on google stuff disappears in e.g. zl19 that been there at zl18 Aug 20 02:00:56 and on zl20 new stuff appears that clearly should have been there on zl18 already, at least at 19 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 20 02:59:59 2014