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Aug 21 03:14:59 <dima5`> OK, another question. Years ago I submitted a patch to a mappero bug at garage.maemo.org. Looking at the tracker, I can't figure out how to download the file. Applies to other people's patches too. Can somebody point me to the download link here: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6386&group_id=29&atid=185
Aug 21 03:15:12 <dima5`> Otherwise, is that tracker simply broken?
Aug 21 07:08:22 <sixwheeledbeast> yes it's python
Aug 21 08:13:10 <bencoh> dima5`: marble desktop still receives KDE support ... marble n900 hasnt been updated for a while but that could be a good start I guess :)
Aug 21 08:13:33 <dima5`> looking. Thanks
Aug 21 08:15:41 <dima5`> whoa. That's a fun application
Aug 21 11:59:26 <huario> Can anyone help me with Skype calls on the n900? I can sign in on my Skype account, but if I try to search for contacts, I get "search operation failed"
Aug 21 11:59:49 <huario> (I'm following the instructions at https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10862/how-do-i-use-skype-on-my-nokia-n900#4)
Aug 21 12:00:54 <huario> Alternatively, if I click "New contact" and add their Skype ID, I can only IM them, but not call.
Aug 21 13:38:46 <Luke-Jr> huario: at this point, I would assume it doesn't work.
Aug 21 13:39:01 <Luke-Jr> huario: Skype has changed their codecs at least once making their PC software incompatible with N900
Aug 21 13:39:17 <Luke-Jr> I wouldn't be shocked to learn they made it so you can no longer connect at all
Aug 21 13:39:42 <huario> nice
Aug 21 13:43:51 <hurrian> fwiw, Skype just sent out an email noting that older versions of Skype will cease to work
Aug 21 13:44:00 <hurrian> even Skype IP phones will stop working in 2015 iirc
Aug 21 15:12:19 <DocScrutinizer51> well, iirc skype is M$ property now, 
Aug 21 15:12:54 <DocScrutinizer51> or is it still with ebay?
Aug 21 15:13:13 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway, skype is evil
Aug 21 15:26:12 <astr> mumble.nexunity.org
Aug 21 15:28:15 <Sicelo> how does one completely delete their skype account?
Aug 21 15:28:47 <kerio> astr: it's not like murmurd is hard to install
Aug 21 15:29:08 <kerio> besides, mumble is optimized for low latency, not low power consumption
Aug 21 15:29:15 <astr> kerio, what do you mean hard to install?
Aug 21 15:29:33 <astr> what about power consumption?
Aug 21 15:29:41 <kerio> regarding mumble on n900
Aug 21 15:29:53 <astr> oh
Aug 21 15:30:11 <Sicelo> interesting -- not 'really' possible to delete a skype account. wow
Aug 21 16:59:03 <drathir> hi...
Aug 21 16:59:43 <drathir> anyone have idea how to debug n900 not readind sim card issue?
Aug 21 17:02:20 <drathir> after phone start asking for pin when chosed say wrong oone 3attemps left, after write pin again accepted but say something only emergency calls possible and close to time at desktop is sim card one side crossed red line...
Aug 21 17:34:25 <freemangordon> drathir: check for suspicious messages in the syslog
Aug 21 17:53:30 <Guest98879> 	can somebody tell me about the apt-get in n900? why it can get packages on n900 from nokia0 but not on other devices ?
Aug 21 18:13:31 <DocScrutinizer05> javispedro: ping
Aug 21 18:13:59 <wizbit> 2x things are missing my my N900, the ability to use some kind of cloud sync service like dropbox / owncloud and the ability to access my linux service media files remotely, i wonder if there are solutions?
Aug 21 18:14:57 <wizbit> anybody use sshfs to access files on a n900?
Aug 21 18:15:48 <bencoh> I stopped using sshfs a loong time ago (be it on a regular computer or a phone :)
Aug 21 18:15:48 <DocScrutinizer05> all the time
Aug 21 18:16:00 <DocScrutinizer05> err sftp
Aug 21 18:16:19 <wizbit> sftp is for downloading rather than accessing files?
Aug 21 18:16:35 <wizbit> i like the ability to browse my media files on my linux service using my phone
Aug 21 18:16:43 <wizbit> *would
Aug 21 18:17:23 <DocScrutinizer05> xy?
Aug 21 18:17:24 <wizbit> imagine how cool it would be if i could access my music collection on my linux box using my phone remotely
Aug 21 18:17:47 <wizbit> i think sshfs is the only solution
Aug 21 18:18:06 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, xy
Aug 21 18:18:21 <wizbit> maybe the n900 file browser would then play them using open media player
Aug 21 18:18:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xy
Aug 21 18:18:32 <infobot> well, xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.
Aug 21 18:18:37 <javispedro> ping DocScrutinizer05 
Aug 21 18:18:40 <javispedro> *pong
Aug 21 18:21:34 <wizbit> wow i found a owncloud client for maemo and it looks pretty uptodate :D
Aug 21 18:21:55 <wizbit> but its cli only, that might be ideal for syncing mmc1 to my linux box
Aug 21 18:22:26 <wizbit> then next mission is to get sshfs working
Aug 21 18:23:17 <wizbit> then i could drop some music into a directory on linux box then it will automatically sync to my phone
Aug 21 18:24:28 <Guest98879> can somebody tell me how to use apt-mirror? it gives access denied for nokia repos
Aug 21 18:31:05 <wizbit> Guest98879: use the built in appliction installer
Aug 21 18:32:08 <Guest98879> ??
Aug 21 18:32:32 <Guest98879> i want to get nokia repos on my computer to have them offline.
Aug 21 18:32:52 <wizbit> eeek didnt know you can do that
Aug 21 18:34:41 <Guest98879> really?
Aug 21 18:34:50 <Guest98879> its in maemo wiki
Aug 21 18:35:05 <Guest98879> i can get other repos but nokia repos gives me error
Aug 21 18:35:36 <kerio> there's some authentication
Aug 21 18:35:42 <kerio> but i have no idea what that entails
Aug 21 18:35:47 <Guest98879> i live in iran and nokia has blocked my reqular access but on n900 with proxy i can download them but with wget i cant
Aug 21 18:36:08 <Guest98879> doesn't nokia use apt-get?
Aug 21 18:36:11 <kerio> yeah yeah
Aug 21 18:36:20 <kerio> it's dpkg's downloading
Aug 21 18:36:28 <kerio> but there's some things they check i guess
Aug 21 18:36:30 <Guest98879> no
Aug 21 18:36:32 <Guest98879> apt-get
Aug 21 18:36:36 <Guest98879> dpkg installs
Aug 21 18:36:41 <kerio> yes, yes
Aug 21 18:36:42 <Guest98879> apt-get download
Aug 21 18:37:02 <Guest98879> i dont know of a way to get apt-get useragent on n900
Aug 21 18:37:10 <Guest98879> that would have been progress
Aug 21 18:37:44 <kerio> /etc/apt/auth apparently
Aug 21 18:37:51 <kerio> not sure if that's an http password or what
Aug 21 18:38:27 <kerio> also i'm not sure if technically this would be copyright infringement or EULA violation
Aug 21 18:38:44 <kerio> but i don't think anyone will actually complain if you're only going to use the repository for your n900 anyway
Aug 21 18:38:50 <Guest98879> nokia "technically" abondaned me so.....
Aug 21 18:38:53 <kerio> that, too
Aug 21 19:11:35 <wizbit> nearly got sshfs working if i create a directory in /media the file browser picks it up :D just created ssh keys
Aug 21 19:11:57 <kerio> omg
Aug 21 19:12:04 * wizbit feels like a wild cat
Aug 21 19:12:05 <kerio> u so gud
Aug 21 19:17:02 <wizbit> dam the file browser shows no files
Aug 21 19:17:09 <wizbit> but if i use cli the mount exists
Aug 21 19:21:26 <DocScrutinizer05> forget the stock filemanager
Aug 21 19:22:40 <DocScrutinizer05> it only shows uSD and eMMC FAT32 (aka MNyDocs) volumes
Aug 21 19:23:06 <DocScrutinizer05> but sshfs sucks, it stalls on every roaming or reconnect of your N900
Aug 21 19:23:26 <DocScrutinizer05> not exactly what you usualy want to use
Aug 21 19:25:28 <drathir> freemangordon: oh thanks even dont thinked about that sim card debug info could be stored somewhere...
Aug 21 19:36:43 <wizbit> got sshfs working but its _slow_
Aug 21 19:39:52 <bencoh> you bet it is
Aug 21 19:40:54 <wizbit> im going to install mplayer
Aug 21 19:41:00 <wizbit> and see if that is faster
Aug 21 19:41:06 <bencoh> faster than ?
Aug 21 19:41:08 <wizbit> i wonder if mocp exists
Aug 21 19:41:16 <bencoh> omp/nokia player ?
Aug 21 19:41:20 <wizbit> that the File manager
Aug 21 19:41:23 <bencoh> o
Aug 21 19:41:24 <bencoh> oh*.
Aug 21 19:41:26 <Sicelo> wizbit: said no dropbox, or you meant auto-sync?
Aug 21 19:41:30 <wizbit> than the File manager
Aug 21 19:41:46 <wizbit> Sicelo: im using sshfs at the moment
Aug 21 19:42:35 <Sicelo> i can see that, hehe. i'm asking about dropbox
Aug 21 19:43:18 <wizbit> drop N900 doesnt working anymore
Aug 21 19:43:22 <wizbit> its discontinued
Aug 21 19:44:39 <Sicelo> it still works :)
Aug 21 19:45:59 <wizbit> https://github.com/jonnenauha/DropN900
Aug 21 19:46:02 <wizbit> read the update bit
Aug 21 19:46:20 <wizbit> it shoudnt work
Aug 21 19:46:34 <Sicelo> check TMO sir
Aug 21 19:46:41 <wizbit> TMO?
Aug 21 19:46:45 <Sicelo> ~tmo
Aug 21 19:46:45 <infobot> somebody said tmo was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.
Aug 21 19:46:55 <Sicelo> the second one
Aug 21 19:47:08 <Sicelo> i'm right now browsing my dropbox files on my N900
Aug 21 19:47:32 <wizbit> what application are you using
Aug 21 19:49:16 <Sicelo> DropN900
Aug 21 19:49:27 <Sicelo> someone figured how to 'fix' it 
Aug 21 19:51:00 <wizbit> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1340431&postcount=443
Aug 21 19:51:49 <wizbit> Sicelo: does it run fast?
Aug 21 19:52:08 <Sicelo> what do you mean by 'fast'?
Aug 21 19:52:24 <wizbit> if you have a mp3 on your dropbox can the media player play it?
Aug 21 19:54:02 <Sicelo> never tried that 
Aug 21 19:55:18 <Sicelo> when talking about Media Player, do not forget Tracker ... In short, I think trying to use DropN900 in that way would most likely end in disappointment
Aug 21 19:55:44 <wizbit> ok
Aug 21 19:56:11 <wizbit> Sicelo: can you view photos or text documents using dropbox?
Aug 21 19:56:24 <Sicelo> tracker again :D
Aug 21 19:56:38 <wizbit> so tracker reads your dropbox partition?
Aug 21 19:56:55 <Sicelo> there is no such partition wizbit
Aug 21 19:57:15 <wizbit> so your dropbox just reads?
Aug 21 19:57:39 <Sicelo> even the 'desktop' ones do a complete download afaict
Aug 21 19:57:48 <wizbit> yep
Aug 21 19:58:38 <Sicelo> so i don't quite get what you're asking ... once the file is in N900, tracker will obviously be able to view/play it. there is no way to 'stream' (at least as far as i can see)
Aug 21 19:59:29 <wizbit> i see
Aug 21 20:00:11 <wizbit> all i want to do is sync mmc1 to a directory on my linux box so i can add music to it and let it sync to my phone
Aug 21 20:00:18 <wizbit> i might use owncloud instead
Aug 21 20:00:30 <sixwheeledbeast> rsync?
Aug 21 20:00:38 <Sicelo> yes, rsync for that :)
Aug 21 20:00:39 <wizbit> rsync is not designed for that
Aug 21 20:00:42 <kerio> yes it is
Aug 21 20:00:46 <wizbit> rsync is 1 way
Aug 21 20:00:51 <sixwheeledbeast> nope
Aug 21 20:00:51 <kerio> it's designed precisely to sync directories
Aug 21 20:01:07 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod: hence the word sync
Aug 21 20:01:23 <wizbit> image mmc1 contains a new backup on my phone and mmc1 directory contains a new music file
Aug 21 20:01:29 <wizbit> i want them both to be synced
Aug 21 20:01:31 <wizbit> both ways
Aug 21 20:01:58 <wizbit> even a rsync dev said its not designed for that
Aug 21 20:03:19 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't see why not.
Aug 21 20:03:35 <Sicelo> even if it was one way .. can't you do 2-pass then? box > N900, then N900 > box?
Aug 21 20:03:53 <javispedro> you can, albeit it's a bit painful
Aug 21 20:03:54 <wizbit> i think owncloud is the solution, if i run that on my server it gives me other uses
Aug 21 20:04:01 <wizbit> like playing music at friends house 
Aug 21 20:04:16 <wizbit> http://www.linux.org/attachments/cloud-files-png.57/
Aug 21 20:04:18 <wizbit> looks good
Aug 21 20:04:31 <wizbit> dropbox is good but your limited with space
Aug 21 20:05:07 <wizbit> wouldnt you rather run your 'own cloud' :P
Aug 21 20:06:58 <javispedro> why run a cloud at all when you can sync your devices in a decentralized way via local Wi-Fi
Aug 21 20:07:32 <wizbit> javispedro: how?
Aug 21 20:07:44 <wizbit> unison?
Aug 21 20:08:08 <javispedro> for example, run automagically when the two devices are in the same local network
Aug 21 20:08:23 <wizbit> that would be amazing
Aug 21 20:09:13 <wizbit> then my backups would be saved to my linux box and new music added to my phone automatically once my phone is in my wireless network
Aug 21 20:09:31 <wizbit> i wonder if there is any software what can do that
Aug 21 20:10:17 <javispedro> I don't think so, I was interested on that at some point and made some prototype
Aug 21 20:10:53 <javispedro> the sync part was slow and I never trusted it with my real data though (always did one-way sync only)
Aug 21 20:10:59 <javispedro> probably though
Aug 21 20:11:04 <javispedro> one could script something with unison
Aug 21 20:12:08 <sixwheeledbeast> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#backup
Aug 21 20:26:50 <wizbit> sixwheeledbeast: nice linux a cron job for rsync would be good for backing up the phone
Aug 21 20:27:15 <wizbit> then i could create a another rsync script what copies music the other way
Aug 21 20:27:24 <sixwheeledbeast> yep
Aug 21 20:27:38 <wizbit> i could activate that one manually
Aug 21 20:27:58 <wizbit> thats a lot easier than setting up clouds
Aug 21 20:28:01 <wizbit> thanks :D
Aug 21 20:28:12 <sixwheeledbeast> np
Aug 21 20:33:33 <sixwheeledbeast> grr ... v6 dns issues
Aug 21 20:38:28 <ecc3g> I hope someday my isp will give me reverse lookup for my ipv6 address...
Aug 21 20:57:53 <bencoh> rsync is fucking slow on n900, even on top of usbnet
Aug 21 20:59:14 <bencoh> (well rsync over ssh at least)
Aug 21 21:05:00 <wizbit> rsync -vaRzx --fake-super root@$1:/home ~/Documents/N900/backup/$1/home  <--- this will sync phone to pc
Aug 21 21:05:42 <wizbit> rsync -vaRzx --fake-super ~/Documents/N900/backup/$1/home root@$1:/home  <--- will this sync pc to phone?
Aug 21 21:09:47 <sixwheeledbeast> I am using tunnelling here for v6, we have no isp's with v6.
Aug 21 21:11:50 <sixwheeledbeast> I would think so.
Aug 21 21:13:01 <sixwheeledbeast> there is --dryrun flag for testing
Aug 21 21:21:02 <Sicelo> no wizbit 
Aug 21 21:21:37 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05 is backing up / then /home to PC in that script (it is commented, so you can see what each stage does)
Aug 21 21:25:47 <Sicelo> ah, sorry. i see how yours is .. should work
Aug 21 22:32:17 <sixwheeledbeast> ~phonecontrol
Aug 21 22:32:18 <infobot> it has been said that phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Aug 21 22:37:00 <ecc3g> ~T-MO
Aug 21 22:37:00 <infobot> t-mo is probably T-Mobile
Aug 22 00:44:04 <DocScrutinizer51> Sevilla Airport at night, MY ASS!
Aug 22 01:48:55 <DocScrutinizer51> at least 0.33L waterbottle costs 'only' 1€50
Aug 22 01:55:02 <RiD> have seen worse.
Aug 22 01:55:10 <RiD> 2€.
Aug 22 02:10:06 <DocScrutinizer51> worst is when you got no coins on you
Aug 22 02:11:34 <RiD> sue them for refusing to help a dehydrating human being
Aug 22 02:11:37 <DocScrutinizer51> honestly flights starting before 8 in the morning should be  absolutely forbidden
Aug 22 02:12:20 <RiD> hmm, i don't see the issue in that
Aug 22 02:12:55 <DocScrutinizer51> WOW, taxis
Aug 22 02:13:55 <DocScrutinizer51> ooh, only spitting out more zombies and then driving away
Aug 22 02:15:13 <RiD> speaking of zombies, i'm going to sleep.
Aug 22 02:15:51 <DocScrutinizer51> I wish I could
Aug 22 02:17:08 <RiD> hehe. I'd send you a picture of my comfortable pillow, but i'm just going to comfortably lie my head on it
Aug 22 02:17:21 <RiD> aaah... the sheets, so warm and cozy!
Aug 22 02:48:48 <DocScrutinizer51> I tried to videoshoot and upload the zombie scene here, but maybe sth broke. Tried to playback it and palyer said "nediaformat not supported" - usually a way ofsaying "file garbled"
Aug 22 02:50:58 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway meanwhile it's 4:50 here and they actaully even turned on te lights again
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