**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 29 02:59:58 2014 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 29 05:50:55 2014 Aug 29 10:17:09 ~ping Aug 29 10:17:10 ~pong **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 29 11:05:06 2014 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 29 11:19:08 2014 Aug 29 15:15:31 hello Aug 29 15:16:36 I have a question: do plugins for Pidgin need to be converted to ARM versions before being suitable for the Maemo version of Pidgin? Aug 29 15:16:52 good question Aug 29 15:16:54 there's ZRTP coming soon... *_* Aug 29 15:17:03 depends on which code they are Aug 29 15:17:08 unfortunately I have no idea Aug 29 15:17:31 `file ` Aug 29 15:17:33 would the source code help? Aug 29 15:18:06 when there's something like 2sourcecode" then there's also "binary" aqnd that is CPU specific Aug 29 15:18:07 http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/pidgin-zrtp/ Aug 29 15:18:49 I'm trying to understand, but.. it's hard for me Aug 29 15:18:56 that's c. Needs building for the target platform Aug 29 15:19:42 so your answer is: yes, needs "to be converted to ARM" Aug 29 15:20:10 idealy that process consists of just a `make all` Aug 29 15:20:10 shit :( Aug 29 15:20:33 I read somewhere it may come in python version.. Aug 29 15:20:40 make all? Aug 29 15:20:53 but usually you need to do minor adaptions in the sourcecode to make it compile for the target platform (maemo) Aug 29 15:20:59 I'm almost programming illiterate, does it mean to compile for linux? Aug 29 15:21:08 yes, exactly Aug 29 15:21:19 make is a command Aug 29 15:21:30 well, I wish I could contribute myself Aug 29 15:22:16 nice. Maybe we'll add ZRTP to our maemo. Aug 29 15:22:56 even though I'm seriously concerned by the amount of CPU request necessary for a live-streaming encryption and of course by the consumption of battery Aug 29 15:23:38 right, CPU load isn't negligible for this usecase Aug 29 15:23:56 but.. if you happen to be plugged to a power supply.. Aug 29 15:24:09 but on the bright side, it's c code, not python or something else similarly sluggish Aug 29 15:24:52 well, my average cpu load ranges from 5 to 20% and I'm using an old quadcore cpu at 3Ghz Aug 29 15:25:11 for just zRTP-VoIP? Aug 29 15:25:15 my load during ZRTP audio conversation I mean Aug 29 15:25:22 yeah Aug 29 15:25:28 that's kinda... LOTS Aug 29 15:25:38 but I'm using Jitsi, not Pidgin Aug 29 15:25:44 prolly caused by PulseAudio though Aug 29 15:26:24 my friend has a very old computer (from 2006 I guess) and it almost gets stuck Aug 29 15:27:04 PulseAudio? Aug 29 15:27:16 zRTP en/decryption shouldn't be significantly different CPU load than e.g. ssh. and via sftp (based on ssh encryption) I easily get transfer rates in the MBytes/s Aug 29 15:27:58 on N900 Aug 29 15:28:07 I never made it to a full ssh connection, ever. I am that dumb. Aug 29 15:28:23 that's nothing to do with 2dumb" Aug 29 15:28:28 anyway, I'll check out what Jitsi is programmed in Aug 29 15:28:53 general rule: when there's lots of *.c and *.h files, then it's C Aug 29 15:29:37 pro tip: the command `file ` tells you what type of file is Aug 29 15:29:44 plain C or C++ or similar? Aug 29 15:30:56 IroN900:~# file /lib/modules/current/ext2.ko Aug 29 15:30:57 /lib/modules/current/ext2.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped Aug 29 15:31:01 ok NOW I understand Aug 29 15:31:08 Jitsi is a JAVA application Aug 29 15:31:13 haha Aug 29 15:31:27 that's the only one that supports ZRTP on windows nowadays Aug 29 15:31:36 I would ditch Java otherwise Aug 29 15:31:36 yeah THAT will give your CPU lots of load Aug 29 15:32:06 * freemangordon is just testing his new chat client Aug 29 15:32:06 Java should be banned. Even devices that were programmed in Java always prove to be sluggish Aug 29 15:32:49 hi freemangordon Aug 29 15:33:08 which client will that be Aug 29 15:33:09 DocScrutinizer05: hi! Aug 29 15:33:11 freemangordon: highlight test for new client Aug 29 15:33:35 sixwheeledbeast: well, I upgraded my ubuntu to 14.04 a few hour ago Aug 29 15:33:44 still fighting with the changes :) Aug 29 15:34:04 oh well I use pidgin on Ubuntu anyway, empathy was pants. Aug 29 15:34:17 telepathy-idle 0.2.0 Telepathy IM/VoIP Framework Aug 29 15:34:17 DocScrutinizer05: could you please do that test again? Aug 29 15:34:23 freemangordon: highlight test for new client Aug 29 15:34:32 freemangordon: test Aug 29 15:34:35 :0 Aug 29 15:34:38 yep, works Aug 29 15:34:43 :D Aug 29 15:35:08 though on 12.04 it was better IMO, the highlight was in red, not only bolded Aug 29 15:35:12 * DocScrutinizer05 wasted another half a day on FSF and RYF Aug 29 15:35:16 however, not that bad either Aug 29 15:36:13 dang, if you cannot configure / customize even THAT, then the client is crap anyway Aug 29 15:36:57 I guess it depends on the gnome theme Aug 29 15:37:06 gnome eeeww Aug 29 15:37:08 but I can't waste time on that Aug 29 15:37:24 poor man's windows Aug 29 15:37:35 yeah, I can't stand unity, so I am on gnome-session-flashback :D Aug 29 15:37:51 DocScrutinizer05: remember, I moved from XP 6 months ago :) Aug 29 15:37:59 haha Aug 29 15:38:12 then gnome is prolly ideal for you Aug 29 15:38:16 yep Aug 29 15:38:24 I miss XP already Aug 29 15:38:31 I don;t Aug 29 15:38:42 I *never* missed any redmond crap Aug 29 15:38:45 booted my older install in VM an hour ago Aug 29 15:38:52 shifting to 7 was like downgrading my mind Aug 29 15:38:59 except maybe visual studio sourcode editor Aug 29 15:39:10 QtCreator is waaay better Aug 29 15:39:16 DocScrutinizer I understand. I'm trying to plan a TOTAL DEFINITIVE switch to unix Aug 29 15:39:27 * DocScrutinizer05 patents the term 'sourcode' Aug 29 15:39:44 gogogogo: jump to ubuntu and install flashback session Aug 29 15:39:45 gnome-session-flashback :) that's what I use. I understand what you mean about fighting the changes now Aug 29 15:39:49 only issues are music production softwares Aug 29 15:40:10 freemangordon: I don't know that! What is it? Aug 29 15:40:32 gogogogo: which one? ubuntu? or gnome-session-flashback? Aug 29 15:41:37 A) ubuntu is for losers. B) use KDE (even while KDE4 sucks donkey balls, I would never touch gnome again) Aug 29 15:41:44 hehe Aug 29 15:42:09 ubuntu is ok o jump to coming wrom windoze Aug 29 15:42:12 *to Aug 29 15:42:17 shit Aug 29 15:42:49 gnome session flashback :) Aug 29 15:42:53 yeah, it's a me-too-wondows, made by canonical to lure innocent windows lusers into a dependency to canonical Aug 29 15:42:54 * freemangordon meant:"ubuntu is ok to jump to when coming from windoze" Aug 29 15:43:00 you'll see the light outside of the gnome/kde tunnel :p Aug 29 15:43:11 there *is* life around Aug 29 15:43:15 DocScrutinizer05: but at least it is linux Aug 29 15:43:16 I don't like ubuntu. I prefer Mint. Aug 29 15:43:24 more or less, yes Aug 29 15:43:30 wasn't it based on ubuntu? Aug 29 15:43:36 ou dont have to force those down your throat :p Aug 29 15:43:39 (mint) Aug 29 15:43:51 Doc what distro would you suggest to free one's mind digitally? Aug 29 15:43:51 I consider ubuntu somewhere in the middle between linux and android Aug 29 15:44:11 something like... maemo? :P Aug 29 15:44:14 knoppix. Opensuse Aug 29 15:44:44 fedora even, when you're not afraid of somewhat rough surface Aug 29 15:45:04 for newcomers Opensuse with Yast is plain great Aug 29 15:45:05 netsplit? Aug 29 15:45:29 I'm writing it down Aug 29 15:46:07 Yast is so good it makes professional sysadmins forget their knowledge how to "do stuff the right way" Aug 29 15:46:20 I don't care about the gui, all I care about is Wine/PlayOnLinux Aug 29 15:46:21 :/ Aug 29 15:46:38 ooh Aug 29 15:46:49 and of course deep firewall tables Aug 29 15:46:49 gogogogo: you're aware that linux is officialy supported by stream? Aug 29 15:46:53 *steam Aug 29 15:47:53 sorry I couldn't care less about wine. I use linux for professional tasks only Aug 29 15:48:50 * DocScrutinizer05 usually has uptime in the 3digits of days Aug 29 15:50:03 but some crazy bug in Konqueror paired with SSL-libs made me do a hard reboot just a 2 days ago Aug 29 15:50:19 ooh, infobot is online again Aug 29 15:50:58 quit Aug 29 15:51:23 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Aug 29 15:51:45 . Aug 29 15:52:17 ~wb Aug 29 15:52:17 It's great to be back! Aug 29 15:55:23 super netsplit Aug 29 16:12:00 hi. any tricks to be aware of to install bluemaemo? i'm running into dependency hell Aug 29 16:12:25 what's bluemaemo Aug 29 16:12:39 DocScrutinizer05: stop trying to make yast a thing Aug 29 16:13:04 yeah, it's a gnome ;-P Aug 29 16:13:31 i'm sure it's the best thing ever Aug 29 16:13:33 kinda like smart cars Aug 29 16:13:40 and opera Aug 29 16:14:09 it's definitely a good entry point for noobs Aug 29 16:14:32 it's so good that even pros still use it Aug 29 16:15:36 and when I compare it to e.g. fedora's admin tools, I have a clear favorite. Yast beats that potpourri of apps in fedora hands down Aug 29 16:20:09 debian > else Aug 29 16:21:17 after all Yast is a component of SLES (https://www.suse.com/products/server/). What's e.g. the enterprise edition of ubuntu? Aug 29 16:21:28 i said debian Aug 29 16:22:50 OpenSuse is the free spinoff of SLES like Fedora is the free spinoff of RHEL, iirc Aug 29 16:23:12 what's the enterprise version of debian? Aug 29 16:23:29 debian stable :P Aug 29 16:23:36 lol Aug 29 16:25:29 debian is the primordial soup that has it all, but nobody makes a professional distro out of it Aug 29 16:26:29 and yet it works Aug 29 16:26:48 sure. It's all linux and linux works Aug 29 16:26:53 also Aug 29 16:26:55 no systemd Aug 29 16:26:56 yet Aug 29 16:28:00 which is a nice thing for somebody who ubderstands what systemd is and also already notices that it's a bad thing. For a noob however that's pretty much totally irrelevant Aug 29 16:28:53 i expect an enterprisey dude to understand Aug 29 16:29:02 the purpose of tools like Yast is to hide such details from user Aug 29 16:29:04 anyway, it's still the best server distro ever Aug 29 16:29:11 oh we're going deep end user here Aug 29 16:29:20 like mariana trench user Aug 29 16:29:47 i guess it works for that Aug 29 16:29:55 idk if it's *that* better than mint tho Aug 29 16:38:33 having enabled swap on uSD, what do you do with the 'stock' swap? Aug 29 16:38:49 nothing Aug 29 16:40:38 well you could repartition the device to remove it completely. I think it's handy to have for removing the card on a booted system. Aug 29 16:40:39 keep it as spare Aug 29 16:42:18 when you accepted that 768MB is already more than enugh for swap on an OMAP3 system with only 256MB RAM, you will have no problem to swapon internal and swapoff uSD-swap Aug 29 16:43:00 when however your uSD swap is larger than the internal one, you'ss see some 'funny' effects while doing that Aug 29 16:43:12 you'll Aug 29 16:50:51 i think i see where i was going wrong - was struggling to set priorities for the swap partitions Aug 29 17:14:36 prio on swap isn't supported in stock busybox Aug 29 17:16:34 Sicelo: ooh, I guess we all got you wrong? Aug 29 17:17:07 did you ask "what do I do after `swapon $usdswap` ? Aug 29 17:17:53 the answer to that is `swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3` Aug 29 17:19:43 keeping both but with different priorities (if you got proper swapon command that supports prio parameter) is possible but not recommended Aug 29 17:20:08 i meant that. i blame myself for incomplete question Aug 29 17:21:11 :-) Aug 29 17:21:43 the swapoff command will take a while, until system has swapped all swap from old to new one Aug 29 17:22:05 iirc Aug 29 17:22:18 might be in the range of minutes even Aug 29 17:24:02 since i rarely have 'too' many things open, usually takes less than a minute Aug 29 17:39:48 swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3; swapoff $usdswap; sleep 1; swapon $usdswap; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 Aug 29 17:40:05 is what's commonly known as swap defragmenting Aug 29 17:40:28 for your case with "primary" swap on uSD Aug 29 17:41:37 some users trigger this from a "cron" (actually alarmed) job, daily Aug 29 17:52:56 ~flopswap Aug 29 17:52:57 somebody said flopswap was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap Aug 29 17:52:58 :) Aug 29 17:54:27 :D Aug 29 17:55:00 I defragment @ 4am on Tue, Thu, Sat, using flopswap/alarmed. Aug 29 17:55:59 I think I hend up rebooting my phone often enough that fragmentation never becomes an issue :( Aug 29 17:56:14 s/hend/end/ Aug 29 17:56:15 ecc2g meant: I think I end up rebooting my phone often enough that fragmentation never becomes an issue :( Aug 29 17:57:21 weekends are not normally an issue. I find that swap gets battered during incoming work phone calls while other tasks are open. Aug 29 17:58:48 ecc2g: uptime is underrated. If you "have" to reboot there is something wrong somewhere. Aug 29 18:02:06 yes, alas, it ended up being a dont care and likely a bad widget... Aug 29 18:03:36 IroN900:~# LANG=en_EN uptime Aug 29 18:03:37 20:03pm up 22 days 5:19, 0 users, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.00 Aug 29 18:04:16 ad that's despite holidays, roaming, and constant hunting for next option for charging Aug 29 18:05:13 http://privatepaste.com/ec4437afae Aug 29 18:30:28 widgetz, yep I know there must be leaky ones in Extras but I can't pin them down. :( Aug 29 18:33:40 hence, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373958&postcount=89 I now have minimal widgetz. Aug 29 19:06:40 valgrind? Aug 29 19:09:34 armel build? Aug 29 19:11:10 use the x86 build ;) Aug 29 19:14:15 actually I think it's been a failure to not have lint etc on cauldron autobuilder Aug 29 20:18:37 lol wifi fixed by own what i see... Aug 29 20:18:49 really strange... Aug 29 20:18:57 drathir: ? Aug 29 20:19:26 stryngs: have problems with wifi signal... Aug 29 20:20:00 now magically works... Aug 29 20:20:29 gotta love magic Aug 29 20:21:25 yep, but mostly like to know how things was fixed... Aug 29 20:21:31 True Aug 29 20:21:40 What were the symptoms? Aug 29 20:21:54 Just signal for wifi on the n900 specifically? Aug 29 20:23:05 stryngs: big loss in the signal strength works in ~30cm range from the router... Aug 29 20:23:55 And other devices? Aug 29 20:24:07 router fully functional other devices phones/laptops connecting w/o problems... Aug 29 20:24:23 hmm, that is strange Aug 29 20:24:27 Do you have power kernel? Aug 29 20:24:38 Perhaps wrong drivers got loaded somehow Aug 29 20:25:55 yes really strange, not works till few months, and broken also w/o reason and yess powerkernel, but the same behaviours was on the normal one too... Aug 29 20:27:16 DocScrutinizer51, he would be your best bet I think at any further diagnosis Aug 29 20:27:26 The n900 is a puzzlepiece sometimes Aug 29 20:27:55 with DocScrutinizer51 in the past we debuging the drivers and was look correct... idk how but good works again... Aug 29 20:29:04 maybe wifi go to holiday, because was tired a bit... Aug 29 21:32:22 WiFi antenna contact dirty Aug 29 21:32:36 seeing this for FMTX all the time Aug 29 21:34:14 DocScrutinizer05: what's the best method for cleaning aerial contacts. I have poor GSM and WiFi signals on my daily device. Aug 29 21:43:59 rubber eraser. Or rough unvarnished carton Aug 29 21:44:24 the blue rubber with sand in it Aug 29 21:44:48 usuallym carton works better Aug 29 21:45:36 and bending the sprimgs just a tiny bit out to give then new bite helps a lot Aug 29 21:47:56 :nod: I will try that. Having a lot of "ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up" messages... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 30 02:59:59 2014