**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 07 02:59:59 2014
Sep 07 05:18:12 <kerio> free ram is wasted ram means that buffers and cache should use the ram
Sep 07 10:53:05 <drathir> mornin...
Sep 07 11:28:35 <erlehmann> i finally ditched my old htc dream and am now going n900 full time
Sep 07 11:28:51 <erlehmann> such a nice device!
Sep 07 11:30:20 <erlehmann> so first things first. what would be the process to build a fully functional maemo image?
Sep 07 11:30:32 <erlehmann> like, compile it
Sep 07 11:31:29 <erlehmann> also what would be a good feedreader
Sep 07 11:35:23 <erlehmann> hello hello
Sep 07 11:35:29 <erlehmann> is anyone there
Sep 07 11:38:34 <NIN101_> erlehmann: you want to compile everything of maemo from scratch?
Sep 07 11:42:36 <drathir> ~flashing
Sep 07 11:42:36 <infobot> hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Sep 07 11:42:43 <drathir> erlehmann: ^
Sep 07 11:43:16 <drathir> ~firmware
Sep 07 11:43:16 <infobot> i heard firmware is please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher
Sep 07 11:43:29 <drathir> ~combined
Sep 07 11:43:29 <infobot> hmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Sep 07 11:43:36 <drathir> erlehmann: ^
Sep 07 11:44:44 <drathir> ~emmc
Sep 07 11:44:45 <infobot> hmm... emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
Sep 07 11:44:53 <drathir> ~flasher
Sep 07 11:44:53 <infobot> i guess flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
Sep 07 11:45:06 <drathir> erlehmann: ^
Sep 07 12:13:10 <erlehmann> NIN101_ yes
Sep 07 12:13:24 <erlehmann> i want to create an image from scratch
Sep 07 12:13:37 <NIN101_> erlehmann: well that's not possible as many crucial parts of maemo are not open sourced
Sep 07 12:14:14 <Pali> if you want to create FIASCO image (from kernel image, rootfs image, ...), use tool 0xFFFF
Sep 07 12:14:22 <erlehmann> oh
Sep 07 12:14:28 <Pali> ~0xFFFF
Sep 07 12:14:29 <infobot> [0xffff] https://gitorious.org/0xffff/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996
Sep 07 12:14:35 <erlehmann> can i replace the nonfree parts?
Sep 07 12:14:55 <Pali> ~fremantle_closed_packages
Sep 07 12:15:02 <Pali> http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
Sep 07 12:15:16 <Pali> erlehmann: look at above table ^^^ what can be replaced
Sep 07 12:16:24 <erlehmann> xchat somehow does not highlight the links
Sep 07 12:21:32 <erlehmann> Pali is there a mostly free distribution?
Sep 07 12:21:43 <Pali> no idea
Sep 07 12:23:54 <erlehmann> .
Sep 07 12:24:26 <NIN101_> erlehmann: none that makes the phone functions useable.
Sep 07 12:29:36 <erlehmann> NIN101_ so where can i start?
Sep 07 12:34:07 <erlehmann> also, i think i need a git client
Sep 07 12:34:12 <erlehmann> how do i get one
Sep 07 12:51:43 <erlehmann> the usb connector seems to lodge in tightly
Sep 07 12:52:17 <erlehmann> i hope i dont break it
Sep 07 12:54:37 <erlehmann> now filing down usb cable hooks
Sep 07 13:19:41 <erlehmann> i cannot call with jabber
Sep 07 13:36:36 <erlehmann> can anyone help me with n900 jabber voice and video?
Sep 07 13:37:00 <erlehmann> ~voip
Sep 07 13:37:02 <infobot> i heard voip is Voice over IP
Sep 07 13:37:17 <erlehmann> ~jingle
Sep 07 13:37:18 <infobot> somebody said jingle was action hooks up $1 to a sleigh and rides $1 around the town
Sep 07 13:37:34 <erlehmann> ~jabber
Sep 07 13:37:35 <infobot> it has been said that jabber is at http://www.jabber.org, http://www.jabber.com, http://www.jabbercentral.com and http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/jabberpy or an instant messaging system, or jabberstudio.org and planet.jabber.org
Sep 07 13:39:57 <erlehmann> does not connect 
Sep 07 13:40:04 <erlehmann> :(
Sep 07 13:41:34 <erlehmann> has anyone in here voice and video calls working?
Sep 07 13:46:03 <Pali> erlehmann: voice call worked fine 2 months ago
Sep 07 13:46:26 <Pali> and with cssu-devel patch it worked also with gmail web plugin
Sep 07 13:46:45 <Pali> and it worked also with kopete
Sep 07 13:48:01 <erlehmann> interesting is there an echo service
Sep 07 13:52:09 <erlehmann> Pali can i test call you over xmpp?
Sep 07 13:52:23 <erlehmann> i cannot find a working echo server
Sep 07 13:57:14 <erlehmann> Pali do you have a tutorial for setting up xmpp calling with n900?
Sep 07 13:57:53 <Ashley`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiKgLAAMcM8
Sep 07 18:24:48 <dhbiker> hi there
Sep 07 18:24:55 <dhbiker> i haven't used this in a while...
Sep 07 18:25:16 <dhbiker> why bleeding edge drivers aren't working with latest kernel power ?
Sep 07 18:25:41 <dhbiker> or i'm just too stupid to get it back to work
Sep 07 18:26:42 <stryngs> hi dhbiker, yer talking hacking on an n900. -=)  Happy to help
Sep 07 18:26:51 <stryngs> What hernel are u using?
Sep 07 18:27:10 <dhbiker> power 52
Sep 07 18:27:50 <stryngs> ok, and what are u trying to do?
Sep 07 18:28:08 <stryngs> packet injection, etc..?
Sep 07 18:28:17 <dhbiker> load bleeding edge drivers
Sep 07 18:28:24 <stryngs> For what purpose?
Sep 07 18:28:40 <dhbiker> aircrack-ng and reaver
Sep 07 18:28:48 <stryngs> Roger, so PACKET injection =)
Sep 07 18:28:53 <stryngs> Ok. one moment
Sep 07 18:29:08 <stryngs> Im gunna hook u up dude
Sep 07 18:31:57 <stryngs> You familiar with dpkg -i and dpkg -x and ar dhbiker ?
Sep 07 18:32:17 <dhbiker> affirmative
Sep 07 18:32:27 <stryngs> ok one second, having issues with my shitty godaddy server
Sep 07 18:33:27 <stryngs> wget ethicalreporting.org/wifi-tools-pwnphone_1.0_armel.deb
Sep 07 18:33:35 <stryngs> Now, yer gunna have to mod the control file
Sep 07 18:33:46 <stryngs> so grab it, when u got it lemme know
Sep 07 18:34:21 <stryngs> actually no yer not
Sep 07 18:34:41 <stryngs> why the hell i have it set to require aircrack-ng is beyond me, but thats fixable =)
Sep 07 18:34:56 <stryngs> feel free to dpkg -i it.   Check out the code for yourself i u like
Sep 07 18:35:03 <stryngs> Either way, itll create two icons on yer desktop
Sep 07 18:35:10 <stryngs> red needle turns on packet injection
Sep 07 18:35:13 <stryngs> blue one turns it off
Sep 07 18:35:39 <stryngs> it has a backup to relaunch wlancond if u cycle them TOO fast, but try to avoid doing that as it is somewhat hackich
Sep 07 18:35:42 <stryngs> hackish
Sep 07 18:35:45 <stryngs> Lemme know ho wu like =)
Sep 07 18:37:00 <stryngs> I would definately appreciate your feedback on it dhbiker =)
Sep 07 18:37:09 <dhbiker> found them in /opt/packet-injection-modules/ and they seem to work
Sep 07 18:37:10 <dhbiker> :>
Sep 07 18:37:17 <stryngs> They do work
Sep 07 18:37:27 <stryngs> That script just makes it easy to launch and delaunch em
Sep 07 18:43:48 <Pali> ~packet-injection
Sep 07 18:43:58 <Pali> ~kp
Sep 07 18:43:59 <infobot> well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823
Sep 07 18:44:34 <dhbiker> already up and running Pali thanks anyways :D
Sep 07 18:44:42 <Pali> read first post of ^^^ there is script for loading packet injection drivers
Sep 07 18:44:48 <Pali> they are already part of kp52
Sep 07 18:45:10 <dhbiker> i have everything :D
Sep 07 18:48:48 <stryngs> The script is broken Pali
Sep 07 18:48:50 <stryngs> just a heads up
Sep 07 18:49:05 <Pali> which part is broken?
Sep 07 18:49:09 <stryngs> wlancond part
Sep 07 18:49:10 <Pali> or what does not working?
Sep 07 18:49:15 <stryngs> is tries to start to fast
Sep 07 18:49:15 <Tekk_> people still use nitdroid....?
Sep 07 18:49:18 <Pali> and what wlancond doing?
Sep 07 18:49:21 <stryngs> and has no backup for when the fail happens
Sep 07 18:49:26 <Tekk_> I was pretty sure you couldn't even find a nitdroid image to flash anymore
Sep 07 18:49:38 <Pali> ah, right, this is not problem of my script
Sep 07 18:49:44 <Pali> but ptoblem in upstart
Sep 07 18:49:47 <stryngs> Right, but u can fix it
Sep 07 18:49:53 <Tekk_> huh, it has ics..
Sep 07 18:50:05 <Pali> it does not allow you stop & start process too many times
Sep 07 18:50:11 <Pali> bug in upstart
Sep 07 18:50:20 <stryngs> wget ethicalreporting.org/wifi-tools-pwnphone_1.0_armel.deb; grab it, dpkx -x it and check out injectionON.sh and injectionOFF.sh
Sep 07 18:50:38 <stryngs> There are also other small errors and whatnot
Sep 07 18:50:39 <Pali> if you stop wlancond too many times, you need to wait 5-10 minutes
Sep 07 18:50:47 <Pali> and you *must* stop wlancond if you are chaning drivers
Sep 07 18:50:48 <stryngs> or just launch wlancond -d =)
Sep 07 18:51:08 <Pali> and you *must* start wlancond via upstart
Sep 07 18:51:10 <stryngs> I modified your script based on the errors i was seeing in the log
Sep 07 18:51:18 <stryngs> Your script works, dont get me wrong
Sep 07 18:51:19 <Pali> otherwise system will not work correctly
Sep 07 18:51:23 <kerio> fucking script kiddies
Sep 07 18:51:24 <stryngs> It just needed a couple tweaks =)
Sep 07 18:52:23 <Pali> now looking at ./usr/bin/injectionON.sh
Sep 07 18:53:03 <Pali> that script is incorrect
Sep 07 18:53:13 <stryngs> How so?
Sep 07 18:53:23 * stryngs sits down
Sep 07 18:53:34 <Tekk_> well, given that there's an "is nitdroid still being developed?" thread on the forum that's been unanswered for nearly a year, I'm guessing it's pretty dea d:P
Sep 07 18:53:54 <Pali> you should not kill wlancond
Sep 07 18:54:02 <Pali> and not with -9 :D
Sep 07 18:54:10 <kerio> jesus christ
Sep 07 18:54:13 <Pali> upstart will handle it as system crash
Sep 07 18:54:13 <stryngs> Why not?  If its hanging
Sep 07 18:54:38 <Pali> and when you got your counter at some level you will have permanent reboot
Sep 07 18:54:53 <Pali> there is lifeguard daemon which storing that somewhere
Sep 07 18:55:08 <Pali> and after it reach something it disallow you to start phone
Sep 07 18:55:15 <stryngs> What?  Who the hell coded that
Sep 07 18:55:17 <Pali> it show message MALF
Sep 07 18:55:43 <Pali> proper way to stop system daemon started by upstart is to use upstart, so call $ stop <daemon>
Sep 07 18:55:46 <stryngs> Are the people at nokia just that retarded?
Sep 07 18:56:06 <Pali> and to start daemon use: $ start <daemon>
Sep 07 18:56:13 <Tekk_> stryngs: have you seen the dependencies in maemo packages? :)
Sep 07 18:56:19 <stryngs> Yes
Sep 07 18:56:24 <stryngs> Its why i started my own fork so to speak
Sep 07 18:56:32 <stryngs> But, Pali Thank you for that insight
Sep 07 18:56:33 <Tekk_> so why are you asking this question? :P
Sep 07 18:56:34 <Pali> but if you call stop, start, stop, start, ... too many then upstart refuse to start daemon (need to wait about 5 minutes)
Sep 07 18:56:46 <stryngs> right, so why not invoke with wlancond -d &
Sep 07 18:56:53 <stryngs> works just the same, does it not?
Sep 07 18:56:58 <Pali> somebody should look at upstart code and remove that restriction :-)
Sep 07 18:57:28 <Pali> becuase system daemons are handled by upstart
Sep 07 18:57:53 <stryngs> Ok, but......  if it works, why is it wrong?  U handled my killall -9 question perfectly, u gave reason
Sep 07 18:58:08 <stryngs> And I'm going to change that, because @#*$**  what the heck
Sep 07 18:58:29 <Pali> daemons could crash (sometimes) and upstart will respawn them if it happens
Sep 07 18:58:57 <stryngs> So the proper way to handle this is to truly wait 5-10 mins?
Sep 07 18:59:32 <Pali> and when you are starting daemon via upstart then upstart resolve some dependences and other services which should be started *after* that daemon upstart will automatically start them
Sep 07 18:59:43 <stryngs> So the proper way to handle this is to truly wait 5-10 mins?
Sep 07 19:00:16 <Pali> yes, until somebody remove that restrictioin
Sep 07 19:00:26 <stryngs> Ok.  Very cool.  Thank you for the insight
Sep 07 19:00:41 <stryngs> modules_unload="wl12xx wl1251_spi wl1251 mac80211 cfg80211 rfkill_backport compat" is wrong fyi
Sep 07 19:00:53 <stryngs> check out my changes in injectionON/OFF
Sep 07 19:00:56 <stryngs> to see what i mean
Sep 07 19:01:03 <stryngs> if u launch it via ssh, youll see the errors
Sep 07 19:01:05 <Pali> kerio: can you look at that upstart code? :D
Sep 07 19:01:23 <stryngs> They aren't lifethreatening by anymeans, but they call for removing modules that arent there
Sep 07 19:01:49 <stryngs> Good stuff Pali.  Thank you for the insight!
Sep 07 19:01:56 <Pali> yes, it print warnings about modules which are not loaded -- but this is not error
Sep 07 19:02:12 <Pali> just to unload everything to be sure
Sep 07 19:02:20 <stryngs> Well, imho if a script asks to do something, it should be done, errors are human coding errors.
Sep 07 19:02:54 <stryngs> Either way,  THANK you my friend =)  You answered and taught me something today that I had evidently been MESSING up badly on
Sep 07 19:02:55 <Pali> correct way would be probably to drop messages about non loaded modules
Sep 07 19:03:22 <stryngs> Feel free to take that .DEB and put it in maemo =)
Sep 07 19:03:31 <stryngs> I'm too lazy to proper package stuff, so i dont bother
Sep 07 19:03:41 <kerio> hold on, aren't you unloading it with modprobe -r?
Sep 07 19:03:44 <stryngs> But, the icons are pwnieexpress icons, so they would possibly have to change
Sep 07 19:03:51 <kerio> *them
Sep 07 19:04:05 <stryngs> rmmod kerio
Sep 07 19:04:23 <Pali> ERROR: Module kerio does not exist in /proc/modules
Sep 07 19:04:23 <stryngs> for dependency reasons i would assume, Pali?
Sep 07 19:04:27 <kerio> it was a loaded question
Sep 07 19:04:31 <kerio> Pali: oic
Sep 07 19:04:48 <Pali> $ sudo modprobe -r kerio --> FATAL: Module kerio not found.
Sep 07 19:04:53 <kerio> yeah yeah
Sep 07 19:04:55 <Pali> this will show error message too
Sep 07 19:05:04 <kerio> the modules are actually /not there/
Sep 07 19:05:24 <stryngs> Right, but why would you try to rmmod a module that isnt there, and wouldnt be there except for very weird circumstances?
Sep 07 19:05:31 <Pali> but modprobe (when used instead insmod) will ignore already loaded modules
Sep 07 19:06:01 <Pali> stryngs: to make sure that script will work in any state and I do not know which modules are loaded
Sep 07 19:06:11 <stryngs> Interesting
Sep 07 19:06:35 <stryngs> /dev/null 2&>1
Sep 07 19:06:38 <stryngs> that would fix it =)
Sep 07 19:07:02 <Pali> I think that script should work at any time, so correct way is: 1) clean up everything (remove all modules which allocate wifi...) 2) init my code
Sep 07 19:07:22 <Pali> stryngs: that will ignore also other fatal errors
Sep 07 19:07:35 <Pali> like: cannot rmmod module, because somebody using it
Sep 07 19:07:37 <stryngs> hmm
Sep 07 19:07:44 <Pali> or cannot rmmod module, because something crashed
Sep 07 19:07:54 <Pali> or whatever...
Sep 07 19:08:15 <Pali> and I think this should be printed to notify user about problems
Sep 07 19:10:43 <stryngs> Very well.
Sep 07 19:10:52 <stryngs> I've been effectively shutup'd =)
Sep 07 20:55:23 <Pali> some *kernel* source code for omap M-Shield and SMC: https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/omap/+/android-omap-tuna-3.0/security/smc
Sep 07 20:55:44 <Pali> freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 ^^^
Sep 07 20:58:32 <Sicelo> Pali: applies directly to our chip?
Sep 07 20:59:04 <Pali> no idea, I just found kernel code which calling smc instruction with other file names mshield
Sep 07 21:02:01 <Pali> and there is something interesting too: https://gitorious.org/omap-audio/okus-linux-audio/commit/9b0673e
Sep 07 21:02:13 <Pali> some mshield sdk
Sep 07 21:15:21 <Sicelo> :) hopefully they'll help somewhere
Sep 07 21:27:20 <freemangordon> Pali: you're aware that SMC calls are ROM specific?
Sep 07 21:28:00 <Pali> I just found some public info about mshiled
Sep 07 21:28:09 <freemangordon> BTW IIRC HW AES was slower than SW on N900
Sep 07 21:28:32 <Pali> I read it, but CPU offload is still good
Sep 07 21:29:03 <freemangordon> did you look at gtalk-plugin code?
Sep 07 21:29:41 <freemangordon> as I am soon to finish usb_plugin RE :)
Sep 07 21:30:02 <freemangordon> so you'll have lots of stuff in your queue :P
Sep 07 21:31:26 <Pali> sorry but I did not have time, will look at rtcom code at next weekend
Sep 07 21:31:46 <Pali> I'm still studing math
Sep 07 21:32:33 <freemangordon> oh, I meant just to look at it, not to fix it. however, take your time, your education is more important than anything maemo
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