**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 16 02:59:58 2014
Sep 16 09:01:39 <zGrr> moin :)
Sep 16 14:57:33 <stryngs> Pali: You alive?  I had a question regarding our wlancond discussion from a while back.
Sep 16 14:58:08 <Pali> stryngs: I'm here
Sep 16 14:59:27 <stryngs> So, I have removed the killall -9 wlancond
Sep 16 15:00:03 <stryngs> But i have left behind the wlancond -d
Sep 16 15:00:20 <stryngs> Should i remove that as well, and just have the user standby to wait?
Sep 16 15:10:24 <Pali> stryngs: you shoud use start & stop upstart system commands
Sep 16 15:10:47 <stryngs> agreed
Sep 16 15:11:01 <Pali> and what to do with that timer which disallow you to start wlancond too many time?
Sep 16 15:11:02 <stryngs> But during the times when a command is popped to often, wlancond will not start
Sep 16 15:11:12 <stryngs> Thats what i was trying a workaround for
Sep 16 15:11:24 <stryngs> i figured i could launch wlancond -d if start wlancond fails
Sep 16 15:11:25 <Pali> my answer is: correct way is to fix upstart
Sep 16 15:11:53 <stryngs> Ok, but since I can't fix upstart, all I can do is hack.  Like u said earlier killall -9 was stupid on my part, so I am curious if wlancond -d is stupid on my part as well
Sep 16 15:11:58 <Pali> if you start wlancond manually, then system thinks that wlancond is *not* running
Sep 16 15:12:26 <Pali> only services/programs which using dbus will see that wlancond is really running
Sep 16 15:12:37 <Pali> upstart will think that wlancond is *not* running
Sep 16 15:13:08 <stryngs> wlancond is more than just the GUI for connecting to a wifi AP or cellular?
Sep 16 15:13:19 <Pali> so its up to you if you think it is stupid or not
Sep 16 15:13:37 <Pali> basically not a good solution
Sep 16 15:14:01 <Pali> wlancond + eapd is replacement for wpa_supplicant
Sep 16 15:14:16 <Pali> (if you know what wpa_supplicant is doing)
Sep 16 15:14:26 <stryngs> Hmm, ok
Sep 16 15:14:30 <stryngs> Timer option it is
Sep 16 15:14:35 <stryngs> Thank you Pali =)
Sep 16 15:15:12 <Pali> if you really want to fix that problem see at upstart source code: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/upstart
Sep 16 15:15:35 <Pali> and find/trace what start application doing
Sep 16 15:16:29 <stryngs> hmm
Sep 16 15:17:29 <stryngs> Maybe I will Pali =).  I'd make friends that way I bet, eh? =)
Sep 16 15:20:16 <stryngs> Pali:  Imported Debian version 0.3.8-56+0m5 (Pali Rohár)........  You just haven't found the issue?
Sep 16 15:22:16 <Pali> I do not have time to look deeper into upstart
Sep 16 15:23:48 <stryngs> Heh, what is your dayjob
Sep 16 15:34:56 <freemangordon> Pali: what has happened with gtalk-plugin and usb-plugin? did you have time to look at those?
Sep 16 15:35:21 <freemangordon> *what happened* even
Sep 16 15:38:34 <stryngs> Oooo Pali...  initctl 
Sep 16 15:38:43 <stryngs> It has some nifty commands
Sep 16 15:46:29 <Nokiabot> ~Lobotomy freemangordon
Sep 16 15:46:29 * infobot pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on freemangordon
Sep 16 15:50:00 <freemangordon> hmm?
Sep 16 15:52:10 <Nokiabot> Freemangordon:i learnt new commands ~p
Sep 16 15:54:26 <freemangordon> ah, I see. Did you learn the command to send me a bottle of Jack instead of telling infobot to make lobotomy to me? If not, you must study harder
Sep 16 15:56:34 <Nokiabot> Freemangordon:err i am learning to use it still long way to go :(
Sep 16 16:11:05 <sixwheeledbeast> ~kill Nokiabot
Sep 16 16:11:05 * infobot shoots a inverse neutrino gun at Nokiabot
Sep 16 16:11:36 <Nokiabot> What ?
Sep 16 16:12:06 <stryngs> ~slay sixwheeledbeast 
Sep 16 16:12:06 * infobot brandishes Excalibur!  "With this sword, I vanquish thee, sixwheeledbeast!"  apt lops off sixwheeledbeast's head.
Sep 16 16:12:20 <kerio> excalibur doesn't work like that
Sep 16 16:12:23 <kerio> you need vorpal blade
Sep 16 16:12:24 <stryngs> ~behead kerio
Sep 16 16:12:28 * stryngs snaps
Sep 16 16:12:34 <Nokiabot> Sixwheeledbeast:let me learn a bit then i will fire missiles :p
Sep 16 16:12:40 <kerio> ~nuke Nokiabot 
Sep 16 16:12:41 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Nokiabot ... B☢☢M!
Sep 16 16:13:22 <Nokiabot> Aha
Sep 16 16:13:39 <Nokiabot> ~Nuke keiro
Sep 16 16:13:40 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at keiro ... B☢☢M!
Sep 16 16:13:40 <stryngs> ~unlobotomy freemangordon 
Sep 16 16:13:46 <stryngs> ~unlobotomy freemangordon 
Sep 16 16:14:24 <Nokiabot> ~Stryngs no use its done
Sep 16 16:15:13 <stryngs> ~slay infobot
Sep 16 16:15:14 * infobot brandishes Excalibur!  "With this sword, I vanquish thee, infobot!"  apt lops off infobot's head.
Sep 16 16:15:19 <stryngs> haha
Sep 16 16:15:25 <stryngs> I've slain the beast
Sep 16 16:16:22 <Nokiabot> Stupid infobot lol
Sep 16 17:33:18 <sixwheeledbeast> ~botsnack
Sep 16 17:33:19 <infobot> thanks, sixwheeledbeast
Sep 16 17:33:30 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't think so...
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