**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 21 03:00:00 2014 Sep 21 03:14:07 $500 reversing what Sep 21 03:24:57 hi Sc0rpius Sep 21 05:34:40 stryngs: he asked a question Sep 21 05:35:07 Luke-Jr: You're behind the curve dude =) Sep 21 05:35:10 Thanks though Sep 21 11:14:09 stryngs: reverse what? Sep 21 11:47:54 does anyone know what is the return value of location_distance_between function in liblocation? Sep 21 11:48:06 I mean - in what units Sep 21 11:48:12 meters? Sep 21 12:04:50 is it not documented in the liblocation documentation? Sep 21 12:22:23 hmm, lemme check Sep 21 12:23:18 jonwil: circle distance Sep 21 12:23:21 whatever it is Sep 21 12:25:03 anyway, the problem is that units are not defined Sep 21 12:51:21 hmmm, every time I think of something to reverse engineer, I end up hitting a snag :( Sep 21 12:51:41 pulseaudio is no go (snag is all that floating point) Sep 21 12:52:20 osso-wlan-security I got stuck on because eapd is C++ (which makes life harder) and because I dont understand how the underlying protocols work Sep 21 12:55:21 powervr is no go because at best all I could ever hope to come up with is a 1:1 clone of some parts of the existing drivers (in the way that https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-product-info/source/cedc233dbf6cc9d2f4197a0928db00edf9b6a687: is basically a 1:1 clone of the stock code) and that doesn't help anyone Sep 21 12:55:46 Just having a 1:1 clone of the existing code doesn't help those who actually want a FOSS SGX driver Sep 21 13:00:55 jonwil: you're a bit wrong about osso-product-info - it was already changed to work with upstream kernels ;) Sep 21 13:01:06 ok Sep 21 13:01:09 but you get what I mean Sep 21 13:01:24 these things all started as 1:1 disassemblies/decompiles/whatever Sep 21 13:01:35 which is fine for osso-product-info Sep 21 13:02:00 yes, sure, but having the source code is a big step in understanding what it does :) Sep 21 13:02:13 yep Sep 21 13:02:22 (not that i think we need powervr drivers source code) Sep 21 13:03:03 jonwil: then again - what about helping me with nm-navigation-provider? Sep 21 13:03:28 seems wierd that of all the mobile GPUs out there the #1 most popular by a wide margin (powervr) is the one with the least work being done towards a FOSS driver... Sep 21 13:03:48 jonwil: or REing something like clockd Sep 21 13:05:18 what is the interest in clockd? Sep 21 13:05:29 we don;t have the source code :) Sep 21 13:06:37 but beyond that? Sep 21 13:07:15 no point reverse engineering something unless there is a need to either learn secrets of or modify the thing being reverse engineered Sep 21 13:09:17 nm-navigation-provider is pretty much broken now, so REing it could bring a big value ;) Sep 21 13:09:42 :nod: Sep 21 13:19:51 Maybe I could pick up my work on libconnui and libconnui_cellular Sep 21 13:25:57 The other problem is that there seems to be no roadmap as to what pieces of the jigsaw are missing for neo900 and which of those missing pieces are the most important targets Sep 21 14:27:24 hello people Sep 21 14:28:09 who can tell me waht is root password om maemo 5 (on nokia n900) ??? Sep 21 14:28:25 who can tell me what is root password om maemo 5 (on nokia n900) ??? Sep 21 14:28:38 kinkin: what are you trying to do? Sep 21 14:29:01 i want use $apt-get install Sep 21 14:29:17 but i need to switch sudo su Sep 21 14:29:43 and i don't know the password ... Sep 21 14:30:47 can u help me freemangordom ? Sep 21 14:30:54 can u help me freemangordon ? Sep 21 14:30:55 yep, just a second Sep 21 14:31:07 thx :) Sep 21 14:31:53 kinkin: do you have package rootsh installed? Sep 21 14:32:34 one other question too .. how can i use the 'Tab' 's key ? for finish name on irssi or finish command name om terminal? Sep 21 14:33:34 not , i read this on google , but i coming after try to find it on application market Sep 21 14:33:34 there is "tab" button on the low side of xterm Sep 21 14:33:48 loool Sep 21 14:33:58 btw why do you need to apt-get install? Sep 21 14:34:08 just in front of my nose lool thx freemangordon Sep 21 14:34:09 just use the application manager to install SW Sep 21 14:34:26 okok i will go Sep 21 14:34:47 i didn't have answer for the moment Sep 21 14:35:06 kinkin: if you are not much into linux, you'd better not use apt-get, you may relatively easy ruin your SW Sep 21 14:35:35 otherwise - install rootsh by using application manager Sep 21 14:35:48 open xterm and type "root" without quotes Sep 21 14:36:12 do "apt-get install $WHATEVER_THE_PACKAGE_IS" Sep 21 14:36:28 again, wihtout quotes Sep 21 14:50:21 thx u freemangordon Sep 21 14:50:26 root Sep 21 14:50:46 i will be back Sep 21 14:50:50 see u Sep 21 16:33:40 re Sep 21 16:33:50 wb Sep 21 16:34:21 do you know app for online chess on naemo?? Sep 21 16:34:57 CapsuL: emacs can do chess over irc Sep 21 16:36:38 thx Tekk_ Sep 21 16:36:48 i go looking for this Sep 21 16:39:38 test Sep 21 17:34:11 maemo has a stock chess app, what's wrong with that? Sep 21 17:35:39 sixwheeledbeast: it doesn't do online apparently Sep 21 17:35:47 * Tekk_ personally finds the chess app enough Sep 21 17:35:51 btw, anyone know if there's a Go app? Sep 21 17:35:54 ah, I didn't know that Sep 21 17:36:01 there's gnugo, but I want something graphical Sep 21 17:36:05 it's kinda annoying to have to put in coords Sep 21 17:36:50 ~go Sep 21 17:36:51 somebody said go was an open source programming environment that makes it easy to build simple, reliable, and efficient software, or http://golang.org/ Sep 21 17:38:04 not quite what I was looking for :) Sep 21 17:38:49 Tekk_: ah go is like twitter with a map then? goapp.tv ? Sep 21 17:39:57 sixwheeledbeast: no Sep 21 17:39:59 it's a board game Sep 21 17:40:09 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28game%29 Sep 21 17:44:03 Tekk_: ah, I have never seen that. It's looks similar to Reversi aka Othello. Sep 21 17:48:07 Stupid board games :p Sep 21 17:48:35 Intellegent board gamers :D Sep 21 18:04:35 BCMM:hi Sep 21 18:05:01 sixwheeledbeast: it's somewhat similar in ways I guess Sep 21 18:05:17 I suppose you could think of it as chess to reversi's checkers? Sep 21 18:05:41 Tekk_:why you want that game :) Sep 21 18:07:15 :)) Sep 21 18:07:55 I cant believe there is no X11 version of a Go game Sep 21 18:11:21 http://cgoban1.sourceforge.net/ Sep 21 18:11:39 and http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GoOnLinux for the background Sep 21 18:19:43 bencoh: yeah, I always just use cgoban Sep 21 18:20:24 * Tekk_ hasn't heard of rubygo Sep 21 18:20:47 shouldnt be difficult to build for n900 Sep 21 18:21:00 it has basically no deps (apart from Xlib) Sep 21 18:21:15 are we thinking of the same cgoban? Sep 21 18:21:23 the one I'm thinking of uses gnustep Sep 21 18:21:42 huh Sep 21 18:21:48 * Tekk_ started it and didn't see the menu Sep 21 18:21:55 I swear I used to use some gnustep/openstep go program.o Sep 21 18:22:14 hmmm, I dont think it does Sep 21 18:22:53 gnustep/wmaker on n900 would be fun btw :D Sep 21 18:23:36 but gnugo can be fucking cpu-greedy at times Sep 21 18:24:49 bencoh: definitely not Sep 21 18:24:54 * Tekk_ just checked ldd Sep 21 18:25:11 :) Sep 21 18:25:20 I see libICE, libX11, libSM here Sep 21 19:50:08 re Sep 21 19:51:14 why same application didn't run on my N900 Naemo ? Sep 21 19:51:30 like chess game (miniature , chessclock) Sep 21 20:00:44 sorry , bad word ,N900 doesn't want install it , it told me some library Sep 21 20:02:50 quentin__: I do not understand Sep 21 20:03:21 libqt4-core(>= 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5) Sep 21 20:03:38 libqtm-systeminfo Sep 21 20:04:03 is write on "probleme" when it stop installation of application Sep 21 20:05:17 i learn step by step the linux langage Sep 21 20:05:34 but for my english ... i didn't find the good way :p Sep 21 20:05:41 i am french ;) Sep 21 20:10:52 apt-get install libqt4-core Sep 21 20:30:16 he should've said that in french ... I think we're still a few here to understand/speak it :) Sep 21 20:39:50 hmm, I could even babelfish it. Sep 21 20:40:55 :) Sep 21 20:41:16 (I've no freaking idea what he was trying to say) Sep 21 20:42:32 seems his device has no qt and qt-mobility installed Sep 21 20:42:46 maybe old firmware Sep 21 20:44:22 also AFAIK there is no GTK on Nemo by default Sep 21 20:45:18 is anyone still using nemo on n900 ? Sep 21 20:45:31 BTW, I'm converting modRana to use the Python logging framework instead of the bunch-of-prints it uses now :) Sep 21 20:45:32 the full-qt version is unbearable :/ Sep 21 20:46:10 that should give use improved debugging in the future, nicer log files (severity & timestamps) & log file & console output at the same time :) Sep 21 20:46:24 also makes the code much nicer :) Sep 21 20:47:34 "code reducting" like this: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/commit/efa8122f4b828b385a7775afde2f725bca27f3f5#diff-b95d84ef1ea7dd2ba7cee8fe6182580bL66 Sep 21 20:47:37 all over the place :) Sep 21 20:48:20 not really that user visible and shiny, but should help the modRana project in the future :) Sep 22 00:07:42 re Sep 22 00:13:33 do u know something about QT4 ?? when i want install some application from N900 market , it told me u"u need linrary like : libq4t-* ... Sep 22 01:03:55 all time the wall , same problem.. Sep 22 01:05:35 how can i install QT4 on my nokia n900 , i need libqt4-* for rdownload and install some application ... Sep 22 01:05:44 help me plz **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 22 03:00:00 2014