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Sep 24 06:51:52 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon: I assumed so yes
Sep 24 06:57:11 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: could you try it?
Sep 24 07:57:27 <Pali> drathir: I do not remember
Sep 24 07:57:36 <Pali> need to look at source code
Sep 24 08:10:30 * jonwil has just about finished pulling location-proxy to bits
Sep 24 08:10:41 * jonwil now understands pretty much exactly what its doing
Sep 24 08:11:28 * freemangordon_ is about to finish nm-navigation provider
Sep 24 08:12:28 <jonwil> great
Sep 24 08:12:51 <drathir> Pali: ok thank a lot its no problem, if You will have some free time to check i will be apreciated,ofc this isnt very important no rush needed...
Sep 24 08:13:28 <freemangordon_> yep, everything works on the device, I need to do one more function, which does the network connection (conn_ic_connect), but that is easy
Sep 24 08:14:09 <drathir> jonwil: location-proxy mean assist of tracking by phone network location?
Sep 24 08:14:17 <jonwil> Whats your next target after nm-navigation-provider?
Sep 24 08:14:23 <jonwil> location-proxy handles AGPS
Sep 24 08:14:47 <jonwil> more specifically it acts as a proxy between the cellular modem and the supl server
Sep 24 08:14:55 <drathir> jonwil: nokia.suspl or something similar if good remember?
Sep 24 08:15:03 <jonwil> yes
Sep 24 08:15:13 <jonwil> With the info I have posted and will be posting enough information will be known to replace the N900 GPS subsystem for the Neo900 and keep all the users of it (including nokia-maps) working 100%
Sep 24 08:16:51 * drathir wonder if provider share location of bts publically or only for nokia positioning server use only...
Sep 24 08:18:08 <drathir> eg. google maps in old e51 show correct the closest one bts w/o gps available...
Sep 24 08:20:16 <jonwil> I think the tower locations are sent by the towers
Sep 24 08:21:10 <jonwil> and the SUPL server has no knowledge of that
Sep 24 08:21:39 <jonwil> the SUPL server seems to be a faster way to pull down certain data that would otherwise be pulled from the slow GPS satellite link
Sep 24 08:22:00 <jonwil> Before I can finish location-proxy I need to reverse engineer whatever handles com.nokia.Location.UI (probably location-home-item.so)
Sep 24 08:22:05 <jonwil> and work out the dbus stuff for that
Sep 24 08:22:13 <jonwil> I also need to dig back into wappushd
Sep 24 08:22:19 <jonwil> since location-proxy uses that
Sep 24 08:28:21 <mortak> hi all
Sep 24 08:34:33 <mortak> are there any premade projects to use my old n900 into a bluetooth audio reciever? (to use it in my car with aux output). i searched the webs but didn't found anything so far.
Sep 24 08:34:55 <mortak> s/into/as
Sep 24 09:05:01 <freemangordon_> jonwil: not sure, Pali asked me to RE jabber-plugin, maybe that one
Sep 24 09:08:35 <jonwil> you could target some of the things the Neo900 FPTF project needs...
Sep 24 09:20:49 <freemangordon_> jonwil: sure
Sep 24 09:21:08 <freemangordon_> but I am CSSU developer still :)
Sep 24 09:21:22 <drathir> jonwil: gz for skills and good work...
Sep 24 09:21:38 <freemangordon_> jonwil: do you have a concrete candidate (re fptf needs)?
Sep 24 09:25:17 <drathir> jonwil: i know that tower sending LAC + Cell ID but even dont think that bts could send to phone gps coordinates of own location too... i known that is possible to locate the tower by netmon, but not think and sure the apps like google maps can do that...
Sep 24 09:27:39 * drathir even at 3210i plays with detect towers in area, and connect by hand to chosed one when all ppl dont have net because bts problems i have connectin to more far away one (ppl cant because broken on have stronger signal and calls+sms works)
Sep 24 09:29:07 <drathir> little missing that powerfull net monitor which was in the 3210i...
Sep 24 09:32:48 <jonwil> freemangordon_:sysinfo* would be a worthwhile target that would help FPTF
Sep 24 09:34:36 <freemangordon_> jonwil: may RE it
Sep 24 09:34:52 <freemangordon_> well, most probably will :)
Sep 24 09:35:45 <jonwil> osso-applet-device also looks useful for FPTF
Sep 24 09:35:52 <jonwil> since the info it displays will need to change
Sep 24 09:54:02 <jonwil> do you know of any kernel interfaces (e.g. /sys/blah or the like) that are going to be different on the Neo900?
Sep 24 09:54:43 <freemangordon_> most of them :)
Sep 24 09:54:58 <freemangordon_> upstream kernel that is ;)
Sep 24 09:55:09 <freemangordon_> bbl
Sep 24 09:56:22 <jonwil> ok
Sep 24 09:57:16 <jonwil> oh something else that would be REALLY helpful to me right now would be a reverse engineering of the GPS status bar widget (something I will probably have to start playing around with soon if I am to figure out this GPS stuff)
Sep 24 10:00:07 <drathir> jonwil: You know maybe how to force sync time from gps at n900?
Sep 24 10:33:31 <jonwil> Don't think N900 can use GPS for time
Sep 24 10:33:37 <jonwil> it can pull time from cellular network though
Sep 24 10:34:54 <drathir> jonwil: Yes from cellurar too, but not sure it also w/o that synchro time/date by gps, but not sure that atm...
Sep 24 10:36:57 <jonwil> given that GPS is part of the cellular modem its possible cellular modem firmware can get time from GPS as well as from cellular network
Sep 24 10:39:42 <wnd> I don't really know why N900 does not get the time from GPS. Back then it was part of the plan. Maybe it's a timezone issue of sorts, I really have no clue.
Sep 24 10:40:36 <wnd> then again, I think they explicitly wanted/had to hide cellular link info from userspace
Sep 24 10:41:13 <wnd> I mean, to give info only about the station the radio was currently talking with
Sep 24 10:42:29 <drathir> wnd: gps is much power drain... and gps satellite sync take some time too sadly...
Sep 24 10:43:04 <Pali> you can read gps time with one of that closed location library
Sep 24 10:43:06 <wnd> I know that, but if and once you have the fix, why not take full advantage of it?
Sep 24 10:43:08 <Pali> see location-gui app
Sep 24 10:43:58 <drathir> wnd: no info about priority of sync sadly...
Sep 24 10:44:38 <Pali> anyway it would be cool to have support for NTP or gps time in clockd daemon
Sep 24 10:44:44 <Pali> but that daemon is closed :-(
Sep 24 10:47:46 <jonwil> I would reverse engineer it but its too complex for me to do
Sep 24 10:47:50 <jonwil> clockd that is
Sep 24 11:40:09 <ShadowJK> gps recorder syncs system time to gps
Sep 24 12:19:01 <sixwheeledbeast> freemangordon: Yes, touching the map in the location widget opens ovi maps application
Sep 24 12:39:40 <jonwil> damn, I cant find who handles com.nokia.location.ui
Sep 24 12:40:01 <jonwil> liblocation seems to do something with it, let me check there
Sep 24 12:40:15 <jonwil> aha wait its location-ui.launch
Sep 24 12:40:25 <jonwil> I thought it was location-home-applet
Sep 24 12:43:24 <jonwil> might have to play with sending things to location-ui via dbus-send and see what happens
Sep 24 13:33:32 <jonwil> bah this is annoying.
Sep 24 15:32:28 <freemangordon> sixwheeledbeast: thanks, it started to work here as well, after a reboot :)
Sep 24 16:36:55 <freemangordon> shit, seems ovi tiles have alpha channel and stock nm-navigation-provider cannot deal with it :)
Sep 24 16:40:17 <freemangordon> Sep 24 19:37:03 Nokia-N900 nm-nav-provider[9281]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - _pixops_scale_real: assertion `!(src_has_alpha && !dest_has_alpha)' failed
Sep 24 18:52:00 <Ras_Older> http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/650 FYI
Sep 24 19:30:00 <FreemantleKid> 'evening guys :)
Sep 24 19:40:05 <stryngs> So.....  bash....
Sep 24 19:40:14 <stryngs> I wonder how much stuff on the maemo side is vuln
Sep 24 19:42:03 <FreemantleKid> ?
Sep 24 19:42:08 <FreemantleKid> what do you mean?
Sep 24 19:43:24 <stryngs> the bash bug
Sep 24 19:43:58 <FreemantleKid> ?it i new for me
Sep 24 19:44:01 <FreemantleKid> is*
Sep 24 19:44:17 <FreemantleKid> source?link? the bash version is vulnerable?
Sep 24 19:45:08 <stryngs> http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/2hbxtc/cve20146271_remote_code_execution_through_bash/
Sep 24 19:45:14 <FreemantleKid> i'm here to find out some info about harmattan and the N9, one the things i wanted to ask was about upgrading existing software
Sep 24 19:45:37 <FreemantleKid> ok so it's not a harmattan bug,it's a bash one
Sep 24 19:50:07 <FreemantleKid> i was wondering if is it possible to pgrade apt-get..
Sep 24 19:50:12 <FreemantleKid> is itpossible?
Sep 24 19:50:33 <FreemantleKid> cause old software we know can be easy exploited
Sep 24 19:50:42 <NIN101> maemo is full of old software
Sep 24 19:50:55 <NIN101> and full of exploits thus too
Sep 24 19:51:03 <FreemantleKid> i think you mean even the system one is
Sep 24 19:51:10 <FreemantleKid> ok
Sep 24 19:51:30 <FreemantleKid> so any way to get the system software be updated?
Sep 24 19:52:15 <NIN101> well, I compile openssl and openssh myself
Sep 24 19:52:16 <stryngs> compile =)
Sep 24 19:52:22 <NIN101> but that's not nearly enough for a secure system.
Sep 24 19:52:23 * stryngs nods at NIN101 
Sep 24 19:52:30 <stryngs> I make my own debs
Sep 24 19:52:34 <stryngs> one at a time...
Sep 24 19:52:54 <FreemantleKid> wait i'm pretty noob,how you compile?have you a script for doing that specifically for harmattan?
Sep 24 19:53:39 <NIN101> oh you were talking about harmattan.
Sep 24 19:53:47 <FreemantleKid> ys
Sep 24 19:54:53 <NIN101> well there certainly is no script that compiles for you.
Sep 24 20:37:45 <FreemantleKid> any N9 owner here?
Sep 24 20:42:27 <Sicelo> FreemantleKid: you sure your questions don't have answers on the forum? there is a search function there, and i would like to suppose you'll get at least 80% answers
Sep 24 20:45:19 <FreemantleKid> user experience it's not in  forum..
Sep 24 20:46:00 <FreemantleKid> that i need: some experience of somebody sing&hacking the N9
Sep 24 20:46:35 <FreemantleKid> on the forum there are guides,but just on some random post you can find alittle about they usage 
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