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Sep 30 04:16:28 <Oksana> I cannot set time on N950 in any way. SIM card, WiFi, manually... It still has outlandish date and time. To be fair, I use Nemo Mobile, old-ish version (February of 2014).
Sep 30 04:31:04 <internetishard> I vaguely remember that you could recover an email password in cleartext somewhere on n900s
Sep 30 04:31:08 <internetishard> I forgot where thouhg
Sep 30 04:33:25 <internetishard> ain't here: file:///home/user/.rt-accounts/accounts.cfg
Sep 30 04:33:53 <Oksana> solrize: It should not be difficult to swap a battery. It is neither glued into the phone nor soldered to it, right? Though, it is easier on N900.
Sep 30 04:33:55 <Oksana> internetishard : /home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg 
Sep 30 04:34:43 <internetishard> Oksana: I see no passwds there
Sep 30 04:36:27 <Oksana> The bug was fixed-closed a long time ago. Couldn't reproduce in PR1.1.1 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8146
Sep 30 04:36:31 <povbot> 04Bug 8146: .rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg storing SIP & IM passwords as plain text
Sep 30 04:36:43 <internetishard> Yep... I remember being able to find the email password though
Sep 30 04:36:53 <internetishard> I've an old account I want to recover
Sep 30 04:37:36 <Oksana> Try file:///home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg . Did you take any back-ups?
Sep 30 04:38:30 <internetishard> what's the difference.. that's the same link
Sep 30 04:39:08 <internetishard> Oksana: ya I've a system backup from nov2012
Sep 30 04:39:52 <Oksana> Maybe, an old copy of the file contains the password? How difficult is it to browse the contents of system backup?
Sep 30 04:41:23 <inz> internetishard, try gconftool-2 -R /apps/modest/server_accounts
Sep 30 04:43:43 <inz> internetishard, or alternatively file:///var/lib/gconf/apps/modest/server_accounts
Sep 30 04:44:01 <internetishard> inz: tnx, you're a lifesaver
Sep 30 05:11:30 <solrize> Oksana, thanks, yeah i get the impression that replacing the battery if it goes bad isn't too hard, but swapping a discharged one for a charged one is not really practical.  does that sound about right, i.e. do you need to open the phone with a screwdriver to change the battery?
Sep 30 05:11:50 <solrize> i don't think i could stand having a daily use phone where i can't carry a spare battery to swap in as needed
Sep 30 05:12:44 <solrize> so i still use my e63 for most phone stuff and an n900 for occasional mobile internet, and just take out the n9 and look at it once in a while :)
Sep 30 05:26:27 <jonwil> My N900 is my only phone
Sep 30 05:26:29 <jonwil> and I use it all the time
Sep 30 05:44:25 <Oksana> :) My current thoughts on battery charging are: built-in Qi wireless charging inside backcover, pocketable Qi charging station which takes current from USB, and on-table solar panels at home and at work (solar panels convert ambient light into battery charge 24/7, then quickly share stored charge with Qi-phone as needed).
Sep 30 05:46:06 <Oksana> At work, lamps are switched on even at night. Energy lost... And I could carry one solar panel on my backpack, too.
Sep 30 05:46:15 <Oksana> But that's only a dream.
Sep 30 06:59:27 <deepy> Is there any software to let me send texts from my PC?
Sep 30 07:00:15 <jonwil> Not as far as I know
Sep 30 07:03:45 <todd1> http://wammu.eu/phones/nokia/4016/ haven't tried though
Sep 30 07:06:20 <todd1> ^and I didn't notice that it can't send, it seems
Sep 30 07:06:32 <deepy> In a fit of rage I decided to not use my incredibly stupidly slow Android phone and the only two things I'm missing is the ability to type åäö (in a non-annoying way) and the ability to send texts from my PC
Sep 30 07:06:42 <deepy> But that's no biggie, it just means I have to make such a software
Sep 30 07:07:19 <deepy> I don't suppose I can change the keyboard binding just for a certain app?
Sep 30 07:49:12 <deepy> is there any /working/ twitter client?
Sep 30 07:50:12 <jonwil> as far as I know no there is not
Sep 30 07:51:41 <deepy> Someone should write one
Sep 30 08:09:47 <kerio> deepy: why for a certain app?
Sep 30 08:09:53 <kerio> change your xkb layout
Sep 30 08:10:22 <bencoh> ?
Sep 30 08:16:53 <sixwheeledbeast> ~awesome-keymap
Sep 30 08:16:56 <infobot> hmm... awesome-keymap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping
Sep 30 13:49:28 <KapSuL> salut tout lmonde
Sep 30 13:49:31 <KapSuL> hello
Sep 30 13:50:13 * KapSuL trying (again ,and again , and again;) to flash his N900
Sep 30 13:53:24 <KapSuL> my computeur (ubuntu 14.04) with Flasher V2.5.2 , stay to 'Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
Sep 30 13:53:59 <KapSuL> nothing when i press the 'u' key , only nokia screen and orange led for charging
Sep 30 13:55:42 <wnd> iirc you'll have to turn the device on (and mayhaps press some key; I've never pressed a key on the keyboard because of flasher)
Sep 30 13:57:36 <KapSuL> ur suggest is to try with another key ?
Sep 30 14:01:27 <KapSuL> impossible :(
Sep 30 14:01:53 <KapSuL> i follow all steps , all video , tryed to understand all google link
Sep 30 14:01:56 <KapSuL> but nothing :(
Sep 30 14:02:16 <KapSuL> my computeur doesn't want detect my phone 
Sep 30 14:02:21 <KapSuL> nokia N900
Sep 30 14:02:38 <KapSuL> pardon for smiley'
Sep 30 14:05:06 <KapSuL> i make this because i just buy it , and QT4 library is not here , so lot of application can't be install from application center ...
Sep 30 14:05:12 <stryngs> Behold.  CookieJack.sh arrived into this world at 10:01 EST.  106 lines and 335 words.  That's a healthy little script.  Cuddle the little bugger at ethicalreporting.org/CookieJack.sh
Sep 30 14:06:56 <KapSuL> 2.2009.51-1.205.1 VERSION ..
Sep 30 14:09:16 <bencoh> what does lsusb say ?
Sep 30 14:14:27 <KapSuL> nice reflexion , thx , 1 sec
Sep 30 14:19:21 <KapSuL> http://pastebin.com/M4U9K0Pu bencoh
Sep 30 14:21:00 <KapSuL> no detect him
Sep 30 14:22:43 <KapSuL> it
Sep 30 14:23:06 <bencoh> does it charge if plugged to a wallcharger ?
Sep 30 14:30:43 <KapSuL> when i plug phone to wall with adaptator charger it's ok
Sep 30 14:30:47 <KapSuL> that charge
Sep 30 14:31:00 <KapSuL> but when i plug to usb on my computeur
Sep 30 14:31:45 <KapSuL> nothing when i try to flash ==> thx bencoh for lsusb , nothing to new : http://pastebin.com/M4U9K0Pu
Sep 30 14:33:34 <KapSuL> i think after irc , i will go try to forum ;)
Sep 30 14:33:48 <KapSuL> because 1 week , with lot of help by maemo community
Sep 30 14:34:24 <KapSuL> but nothing , nokia n900 from singapore/ebay doesn't want to be flashed
Sep 30 14:37:28 * KapSuL are CapsuL 
Sep 30 14:38:03 * CapsuL are KapsuL
Sep 30 14:50:18 <bencoh> n900 from singapore ?
Sep 30 14:50:21 <bencoh> is that a "real" one ?
Sep 30 14:57:17 <sixwheeledbeast> CapsuL: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90799
Sep 30 15:10:01 <freemangordon> CapsuL: is your n900 being detected at all when connected to PC? (with maemo booted that is)
Sep 30 15:10:52 <freemangordon> CapsuL: does USB port on the PC you're connecting your n900 work? did you try with another USB cable?
Sep 30 15:20:51 <CapsuL> i was try with new canble from the closed box with phone . but i will try if i find one other
Sep 30 15:22:05 <CapsuL> and orange LED make signal when it is plug to computer (phone is down, when it is up nothing)
Sep 30 15:24:06 <freemangordon> it charges
Sep 30 15:24:22 <freemangordon> seems USB port on your n900 does not function
Sep 30 15:24:25 <freemangordon> :(
Sep 30 15:26:06 <CapsuL> hi freemangordon :)
Sep 30 15:26:21 <CapsuL> .....
Sep 30 15:26:41 <CapsuL> u think my problem from hardware?
Sep 30 15:27:04 <freemangordon> yep. we just need to find which HW is at fault
Sep 30 15:27:30 <CapsuL> HW ?!
Sep 30 15:27:56 <freemangordon> hardware
Sep 30 15:29:33 <CapsuL> i am condamned to stay with my stone age version 
Sep 30 15:30:29 <freemangordon> CapsuL: most probably you can do OTA upgrade to a different version from within Maemo, but with that faulty USB port, I'd say it is a bit risky
Sep 30 15:30:45 <freemangordon> CapsuL: but first, make sure USB port on your PC works
Sep 30 15:30:57 <freemangordon> as does the cable
Sep 30 15:31:44 <CapsuL> yes the cable ... biecause usb port work nice on my pc , mouse work with all
Sep 30 15:32:04 <freemangordon> CapsuL: mouse is USB 1.1 device
Sep 30 15:32:15 <freemangordon> or even 1.0
Sep 30 15:32:46 <CapsuL> hmmm
Sep 30 15:33:21 <CapsuL> i will be back
Sep 30 15:33:23 <CapsuL> thx
Sep 30 15:33:32 * CapsuL is away: I'm busy
Sep 30 15:35:43 <CapsuL> hooooo yeahhh
Sep 30 15:36:03 <CapsuL> thank s you for ur light 
Sep 30 15:36:34 <CapsuL> i change cable and its first time i see option for usb stockage
Sep 30 15:37:00 <freemangordon> oh man, you're lucky :D
Sep 30 15:37:17 <freemangordon> so, the HW at fault seems to be the cable
Sep 30 15:40:18 <freemangordon> CapsuL: try with that "new" cable to flash
Sep 30 15:50:58 <CapsuL> sure :)
Sep 30 15:55:01 <CapsuL> stress is back , so firmware > EMMC > firmware
Sep 30 15:55:06 <CapsuL> right ?
Sep 30 15:57:21 <CapsuL> okok:) see u fast i hope
Sep 30 15:57:26 <CapsuL> and thx for all
Sep 30 16:10:01 <drathir> still the flash problems?
Sep 30 16:10:36 <quentin__> Congrulation 
Sep 30 16:11:02 <quentin__> nokia phone is correctly flashed
Sep 30 16:11:07 <quentin__> thanks u so much
Sep 30 16:11:12 <quentin__> kiss kiss
Sep 30 16:11:22 <quentin__> love love
Sep 30 16:11:31 <drathir> causing proble,?
Sep 30 16:11:35 <quentin__> green grass and little white rabbit for all !
Sep 30 16:11:59 <quentin__> 5 days i come here all day/night for ask help
Sep 30 16:12:03 <quentin__> and finally
Sep 30 16:12:07 <quentin__> :)
Sep 30 16:12:23 <drathir> really the cable fault?
Sep 30 16:13:00 <freemangordon> that was the last problem
Sep 30 16:13:09 <quentin__> yes :)
Sep 30 16:13:10 <bencoh> neat :)
Sep 30 16:13:44 <bencoh> hmm, qml doesnt look that bad on n900
Sep 30 16:13:47 <quentin__> all of this for a chess game ...
Sep 30 16:13:48 <quentin__> :D
Sep 30 16:13:56 <bencoh> I expected much worse/slower
Sep 30 16:14:14 <drathir> quentin__: that You reallu lucky one... the broken cable i think the last thing possible to be broken... ;p
Sep 30 16:14:36 <bencoh> quentin__: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/quotes?item=qt0453844 ;p
Sep 30 16:15:10 * quentin__ capsul
Sep 30 16:15:52 <drathir> the n900 in my opinion have the fast transfer rates from phones i ever used...
Sep 30 16:16:03 <bencoh> transfer rates ?
Sep 30 16:16:18 <drathir> bencoh: yes usb transfer rates...
Sep 30 16:16:26 <bencoh> oh, usb
Sep 30 16:16:47 <drathir> even flashing fast like the light...
Sep 30 16:18:55 <drathir> bencoh: first time when doin full reflash im almost was sure the process not sucessful even that written all ok, because of to fast done...
Sep 30 16:19:27 <bencoh> :)
Sep 30 16:20:48 <drathir> Doc say its fast but even dont suppose the speed of light it is...
Sep 30 16:34:51 <timeless> hello world
Sep 30 16:34:58 <timeless> anyone have suggestions about working SIP providers?
Sep 30 16:35:07 <timeless> (and SIP clients for various mobile platforms)
Sep 30 16:53:32 <todd1> have any of you re-soldered your USB port, or know how?
Sep 30 16:55:02 <honestly> ~usbfix
Sep 30 16:55:03 <infobot> hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt
Sep 30 16:57:04 <todd1> I have read. I'm looking for anyone with experience. this one is broken, so I need to re-connect the pins, not just reinforce to the PCB
Sep 30 16:58:19 <todd1> and I find the proposed fix in the thread a little unsatisfactory. I'm surprised if it isn't possible without cables.
Sep 30 17:12:39 <drathir> timeless: symbian have sip, and n900 too but not tested...
Sep 30 17:13:51 * drathir too not yet fixed usb...
Sep 30 17:37:14 <quentin> good evening :)
Sep 30 17:37:45 <quentin> do you know something about catalog ? from maemo fremantle ?
Sep 30 17:37:54 <quentin> extras-devels is down ?
Sep 30 17:38:26 <bencoh> doesnt look down to me
Sep 30 17:38:31 <quentin> i try to add this catalog (extras-devels) but it give me error
Sep 30 17:38:34 <quentin> hmm
Sep 30 17:38:36 <bencoh> (I apt-get updated a few hours ago)
Sep 30 17:38:44 <bencoh> I dunno about HAM catalog though
Sep 30 17:38:52 <quentin> ok thx bencoh
Sep 30 17:39:07 <quentin> but i put Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ 
Sep 30 17:39:14 <quentin> in "new catalog"
Sep 30 17:39:25 <quentin> with fremantle and free non-free
Sep 30 17:40:31 <quentin> http://repository.maemo.org/extas-devel/dists/fremantle/../../packages 404 Not Found
Sep 30 17:47:19 <quentin> i delete it and try again to add
Sep 30 17:49:38 <quentin> 4 catalog is down !
Sep 30 17:49:44 <quentin> maemo.org 
Sep 30 17:50:02 <quentin> extras ; extras-testing ; extras-devel
Sep 30 17:50:04 <quentin> :'(
Sep 30 18:03:02 <quentin> that told me "catalogs with stranded"
Sep 30 18:03:10 <quentin> for 4 catalog !
Sep 30 18:03:29 <quentin> maemo.org / Extras;-devel;-testiong
Sep 30 18:04:12 <quentin> last time i ask help :p
Sep 30 18:18:43 <quentin> skeiron put mirror for catalog
Sep 30 18:19:14 <quentin> 6 month ago 
Sep 30 18:19:28 <quentin> i hope it's not down
Sep 30 18:20:13 <quentin> on HAM nokia n900
Sep 30 18:20:32 <quentin> nooo :(
Sep 30 18:20:36 <iamtheoneiam> repository.memo.org is working quentin 
Sep 30 18:21:17 <iamtheoneiam> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free
Sep 30 18:22:09 <quentin> i try on HAM > new catalog > http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free
Sep 30 18:22:28 <Sicelo900> what do you need in devel by the way?
Sep 30 18:22:51 <quentin> for chess game "miniature"
Sep 30 18:23:31 <Sicelo900> ~$ apt-cache policy miniature
Sep 30 18:23:44 <Sicelo900>  *** 0.5.0-1fremantle2 0 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages
Sep 30 18:23:56 <quentin> in terminal ?
Sep 30 18:24:00 <Sicelo900> miniature is not in devel
Sep 30 18:24:07 <quentin> okey :D
Sep 30 18:24:14 <quentin> thank's you
Sep 30 18:24:47 <quentin> but why i can't find it on HAM ?
Sep 30 18:25:01 <Sicelo900> have you updated the catalogues?
Sep 30 18:25:46 <Sicelo900> show us the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list file .. on a pastebin
Sep 30 18:25:48 <quentin> i don't think
Sep 30 18:26:10 <quentin> because i didn't have "search option" in HAM
Sep 30 18:26:23 <quentin> i remember before , i find miniature with this
Sep 30 18:26:32 <quentin> but i just flashed my phone
Sep 30 18:26:39 <quentin> and when i try to put catalog
Sep 30 18:26:40 <Sicelo900> update your catalogues
Sep 30 18:26:42 <quentin> nothing :/
Sep 30 18:26:44 <quentin> how ?
Sep 30 18:26:49 <Sicelo900> show us the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list file .. on a pastebin
Sep 30 18:26:58 <quentin> ok
Sep 30 18:27:45 <Sicelo900> i would also like to suggest you upgrade to CSSU first ... maybe CSSU-Stable if you feel Testing would be too much for you
Sep 30 18:29:31 <quentin> what is CSSU ?
Sep 30 18:30:52 <quentin> thx u but i looking for that later
Sep 30 18:30:58 <quentin> see you
Sep 30 18:31:50 <timeless> drathir: i'm more interested in a sip provider than a client
Sep 30 18:32:05 <timeless> i used to have a great ip provider (my employer) and it worked great w/ the native n900 client
Sep 30 18:32:14 <timeless> s/ip/sip/
Sep 30 18:32:17 <infobot> timeless meant: i used to have a great sip provider (my employer) and it worked great w/ the native n900 client
Sep 30 18:32:18 <timeless> now i'm looking for a free sip provider
Sep 30 18:32:24 <timeless> (that works)
Sep 30 18:43:03 <deepy> timeless: checked iptel?
Sep 30 18:45:07 <timeless> deepy: yeah, created an account w/ them this morning
Sep 30 18:45:20 <timeless> unfortunately, the client i'm tyring to use w/ them is crashing on launch ...
Sep 30 18:45:40 <timeless> (no, that isn't a valid expected result)
Sep 30 18:50:41 <deepy> client issue mayhaps?
Sep 30 18:53:54 <timeless> oh definitely :)
Sep 30 18:54:15 <timeless> so, today i've managed to update my laptop w8 only suffering one BSOD
Sep 30 18:54:33 <timeless> the w7 vm inside it is at 15% complete for some unknown round number of windows updates
Sep 30 18:59:08 <timeless> yay, 16%
Sep 30 18:59:55 <timeless> infobot: cssu?
Sep 30 18:59:55 <infobot> cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Sep 30 19:00:02 <timeless> infobot: ssu?
Sep 30 19:00:02 <infobot> it has been said that ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU
Sep 30 19:00:12 <timeless> yeah, great
Sep 30 19:00:31 <timeless> infobot: ssu is also Seamless Software Update
Sep 30 19:00:31 <infobot> okay, timeless
Sep 30 19:00:53 <timeless> infobot: cssu is also (Community Seamless Software Update)
Sep 30 19:00:54 <infobot> timeless: okay
Sep 30 21:39:48 <bencoh> hmmm ... I can be wrong, but I think status-area-applet-battery leaks when charging
Sep 30 21:40:58 <APic> What does it leak?
Sep 30 21:41:02 <bencoh> memory
Sep 30 21:41:04 <APic> Ah.
Sep 30 21:41:08 <APic> Better than Battery ;-)
Sep 30 21:41:33 <bencoh> haha, right
Sep 30 21:41:53 <bencoh> hildon-status-menu stops leaking when unplugging
Sep 30 21:42:03 <bencoh> (unplugging charger I mean)
Sep 30 21:43:54 <bencoh> pixbuf is unrefed in battery_status_plugin_update_icon, so .... I dunno which part leaks
Sep 30 21:47:05 <bencoh> Pali: if you've any idea where this leak could hide ... :-)
Sep 30 21:47:59 <sixwheeledbeast> bencoh: could something be leaking into it?
Sep 30 21:48:08 <bencoh> something ?
Sep 30 21:48:20 <sixwheeledbeast> some widget(z)
Sep 30 21:48:39 <bencoh> I have no widget, only status-menu plugins
Sep 30 21:48:49 <bencoh> and I suspect the one is battery-status-plugin :)
Sep 30 21:48:55 <bencoh> (status-area-applet-battery)
Sep 30 21:49:11 <sixwheeledbeast> is this the new one in cssu-testing?
Sep 30 21:49:25 <bencoh> hmmm, might be, yeah
Sep 30 21:49:44 <bencoh> the opensource one from pali ...
Sep 30 21:50:09 <bencoh> yeah I think I hand-picked it from testing
Sep 30 21:50:18 <bencoh> (I have a cssu-stable)
Sep 30 22:05:46 <bencoh> hmmm ... is hd_status_plugin_item_set_status_area_icon() in a closed-source library ? I cant find it
Sep 30 22:07:08 <bencoh> ok, strike that ... in libhildondesktop, not hildon-desktop
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