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Oct 15 10:02:12 <capsul> Hello mate"!
Oct 15 10:02:22 <capsul> 3h1ello maemo community :)
Oct 15 10:02:47 <capsul> 3l1ittle question about nokia n900
Oct 15 10:03:09 <capsul> 3i1 bought new battery for it
Oct 15 10:03:29 <capsul> 3b1ut all time , when i change it , that reset date and hour
Oct 15 10:03:43 <capsul> 3d1o you know application/packet/script
Oct 15 10:04:17 <capsul> 3w1ich can refresh date from wireless connection ?
Oct 15 10:04:24 <bencoh> would you please turn color off ?
Oct 15 10:04:25 <bencoh> :)
Oct 15 10:04:55 <capsul> 3s1ry about this , it's @¤ù^$ù client mirc
Oct 15 10:05:19 <capsul> 3n1o xchat or irssi , i will try to get out this
Oct 15 10:05:52 <capsul> 3b1ut do u know any solution about my prob ? :D
Oct 15 10:06:01 <bencoh> n900 should be able to get time sync from the phone network ... depending on the network operator
Oct 15 10:06:23 <capsul> 3h1mm
Oct 15 10:06:25 <capsul> 3o1key
Oct 15 10:06:40 <Sicelo> yes bencoh. it's in the menu
Oct 15 10:07:05 <bencoh> Sicelo: it's just that sometimes, it fails/it's off
Oct 15 10:07:09 * Sicelo can't see what capsul is writing too, and not in the mood to change my color just for that
Oct 15 10:07:09 <bencoh> like ... one day off :]
Oct 15 10:07:15 <bencoh> I dunno why
Oct 15 10:07:54 * capsul thank you bencoh and Sicelo ,and pardon for color,last time i come here with this client :D
Oct 15 10:08:10 <Sicelo> bencoh: your TZ is correct? blame your operator. i know a few times our operator here broke their time settings :)
Oct 15 10:08:54 <Sicelo> you can cofirm that it's your operator by checking on another phone.. most likely the times will be off on it too
Oct 15 10:09:03 <bencoh> Sicelo: yup, it is (correct)
Oct 15 10:10:37 <bencoh> right now it works but it's 70sec ahead (!)
Oct 15 10:10:48 <bencoh> (compared to a ntp-synced server)
Oct 15 10:11:11 <bencoh> I guess I just cant trust them :)
Oct 15 10:14:45 <Sicelo> capsul: your battery is loose inside the N900
Oct 15 10:15:09 <Sicelo> carefully extend the contact pins on the battery
Oct 15 10:15:31 <Sicelo> ah, lol.. i misunderstood you
Oct 15 10:16:00 <Sicelo> you switch between batteries? then yes, known flaw in N900
Oct 15 10:16:05 <Sicelo> ~bupbat
Oct 15 10:16:06 <infobot> hmm... bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864
Oct 15 10:16:13 <Sicelo> capsul: ^^
Oct 15 10:16:57 <Sicelo> get an operator who sends reliable time update (not like bencoh's, :P )
Oct 15 10:17:16 <Sicelo> you can make your own ntp script.. N900 has ntpdate
Oct 15 10:19:18 <Sicelo> * in the repos
Oct 15 10:33:29 * capsul yeah Sicelo :D i will make this , but not now (that will take me a few hours ;) but i try to come back with irssi , but n900 doesn't want know anything about connection ..
Oct 15 10:34:22 * capsul i have other question :p but i can't askwith this client ^^^
Oct 15 10:35:59 * capsul ... just something about root session ...
Oct 15 10:37:37 * capsul not ... we can launch irssi from xterminal ?
Oct 15 10:37:49 * capsul not lauch , connect
Oct 15 10:37:54 * capsul not launch , connect
Oct 15 10:38:10 <bencoh> what ?
Oct 15 10:38:51 * capsul my irssi didn't work :(
Oct 15 10:39:18 * capsul it told me [IP of freenode] port 6667
Oct 15 10:39:29 * capsul but after , nothing
Oct 15 10:39:53 <Sicelo> irssi works fine one N900.
Oct 15 10:39:55 * capsul i try to launch with root , with out root , with application ...
Oct 15 10:40:05 <Sicelo> don't run it as root 
Oct 15 10:40:08 * capsul last time yes , but now :/ strange
Oct 15 10:40:13 <bencoh> *never* run irssi as root
Oct 15 10:40:21 <capsul> 3^1^^
Oct 15 10:40:30 <bencoh> your network might just be blocking this port
Oct 15 10:40:42 <bencoh> network operator*
Oct 15 10:40:46 * capsul i will try xchat
Oct 15 10:41:38 <capsul> 3^1^with xchat -___-
Oct 15 10:42:08 <capsul> 3s1ame with xchat ... do u know equivalent to iptables ??
Oct 15 10:42:18 * capsul same problem with xchat ... do u know equivalent to iptables ??
Oct 15 10:42:45 <capsul> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 15 10:42:57 * capsul sry -_____- about wireless ....
Oct 15 10:43:01 <capsul> 3i1 will be back D
Oct 15 10:43:03 <capsul> 3:1D
Oct 15 10:44:20 <Sicelo> N900 has iptables as well.. but 
Oct 15 10:44:37 <user____> re !
Oct 15 10:45:05 <Sicelo> anyway, i would test with telnet to be sure
Oct 15 10:45:26 <capsul> what is telnet ?
Oct 15 10:48:18 <capsul> do u know application similar to julius (speech to text) , on mamemo ?
Oct 15 10:49:01 <capsul> i need to convert mp3 (with speech) to text file 
Oct 15 10:50:09 <capsul> and packet suggest by my google search is not right on naemo atp-get 
Oct 15 11:04:47 <jon_y> capsul: telnet is the predecessor of ssh
Oct 15 11:04:55 <jon_y> it connects to tcp ports
Oct 15 11:05:09 <jon_y> sort of like netcat
Oct 15 11:08:06 <capsul> thx jon_y
Oct 15 11:17:08 <Capsul_Clone> 3d1o you know where i can find channel about irc script1 ?!
Oct 15 11:17:17 * Capsul_Clone oops
Oct 15 11:17:44 <Luke-Jr> d?
Oct 15 11:18:13 <capsul> i would get out message from people who live/come on channel
Oct 15 11:19:08 <capsul> because my screen is really small and this messages take 2 lines each time
Oct 15 12:51:43 <stryngs> aria2c available for download for maemo if anyone interested
Oct 15 12:51:47 <stryngs> very fast and does torrents =)
Oct 15 15:07:16 <Sicelo> Capsul_Clone: most irc clients allow you to turn off joins & parts .. no need for script. xchat & irssi do that
Oct 15 15:41:14 <Ras_Older> irssi <3
Oct 15 16:02:40 * stryngs wishes irssi for maemo had perl support for scripts built-in
Oct 15 16:02:42 <stryngs> =(
Oct 15 16:05:30 <Sicelo> yep.. that was the reason i installed SB, trying to build that... however it's a big PITA to build irssi there .. something to do with the versions of perl in the sdk
Oct 15 16:07:13 <Sicelo> maybe you'll have better luck. 
Oct 15 16:14:50 <Sicelo> bug #1954
Oct 15 16:14:51 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1954 Scratchbox makes building extensions to target Perl, Python etc awkward
Oct 15 16:46:46 <Sicelo> hmm, seems to be building now :)
Oct 15 16:46:51 * Sicelo crossing his fingers
Oct 15 16:50:37 <Sicelo> stryngs: seems it's buildable after all.. just needed to understand this better
Oct 15 16:51:02 <Sicelo> Shapeshifter conversations helped a lot -- http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-28.log.html
Oct 15 17:16:07 <Sicelo> now.. learn how to package this properly to help others :)
Oct 15 17:22:14 <Ras_Older> Talking about irssi, I don't mean to brag but "[20:21:45] Irssi: Uptime: 1059d 6h 33m 34s" :'D
Oct 15 17:22:43 <Sicelo> gawd!
Oct 15 17:24:40 <stryngs> Sicelo hmm
Oct 15 17:24:47 <stryngs> Reading, you have it built with script support now?
Oct 15 17:28:30 <stryngs> Ras_Older: You haven't rebooted your n900 in 1059days?
Oct 15 17:29:02 <Ras_Older> pfft nah man :D I have my irssi running elsewhere. N900 has to be reboot atleast once a week.
Oct 15 17:29:14 <stryngs> Ah
Oct 15 17:29:32 * stryngs is attempting to package pip as a .deb
Oct 15 17:30:08 <Sicelo> stryngs: yes.
Oct 15 17:30:56 <stryngs> Sicelo: what syntax did you use if you don't mind?
Oct 15 17:31:01 <stryngs> I'd prefer to build from source as well
Oct 15 17:31:08 <stryngs> Unless your going to upstream to source?
Oct 15 17:31:58 <Sicelo> since you build on N900, you probably don't need anything funky .. otherwise it is just straightforward ./configure --with-perl=module (or yes if you like that)
Oct 15 17:32:17 <stryngs> --with-perl=module
Oct 15 17:32:25 <stryngs> i tried that
Oct 15 17:32:31 <stryngs> --with-perl=module i did not try
Oct 15 17:32:35 <stryngs> one sec, lemme grab source
Oct 15 17:33:05 <Sicelo> i want to try build 0.8.17 now. had built 0.8.14
Oct 15 17:34:50 <stryngs> checking for working Perl support... error linking with perl libraries, building without Perl
Oct 15 17:35:09 <stryngs> ../configure --prefix=/usr --with-perl=yes
Oct 15 17:35:13 <stryngs> for 0.8.17
Oct 15 17:35:43 <stryngs> Building with Perl support ....... : NO! - Error linking with perl libraries: -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE -lperl -ldl -lm -lpthread -lcrypt: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl
Oct 15 17:35:47 <stryngs> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status - Try: sudo apt-get install libperl-dev
Oct 15 17:35:51 <stryngs> E: Couldn't find package libperl-dev
Oct 15 17:36:04 <Sicelo> check your repos
Oct 15 17:36:39 <stryngs> got all 3 enabled, i wonder if in sb, and if in sb, then is it proper for the n900 or if it will look for /scratchbox
Oct 15 17:36:41 <Sicelo> you need the SDK repo
Oct 15 17:36:59 <stryngs> Yeah, but sometimes when going for sdk it demands /scratchbox when executing binaries
Oct 15 17:37:02 <stryngs> ill try
Oct 15 17:37:39 <stryngs> Heh, my main thing right now is I want to apt-get install pip =)
Oct 15 17:37:44 <stryngs> but im having to do easy_install
Oct 15 17:37:47 <stryngs> build pip
Oct 15 17:37:52 <stryngs> and trace all files created
Oct 15 17:37:57 <stryngs> royal pain in the ass
Oct 15 17:38:58 <stryngs> I tell u what though, yesterday was the first time I ever saw the value added benefit of scratchbox
Oct 15 17:39:06 <stryngs> It took my n900 over 3 hrs to compile aria2c
Oct 15 17:39:09 <stryngs> 3 hrs!
Oct 15 17:39:36 <Sicelo> glad you're getting somewhere :)
Oct 15 17:39:49 <stryngs> yeah, but i prolly will have to go with SB one day
Oct 15 17:40:06 <stryngs> The confounding part for me is the Depends: line for packages
Oct 15 17:40:18 <stryngs> Not sure how to trace what u need when building on another box
Oct 15 17:40:24 <Sicelo> i don't see any problem with SB. does what it was meant for really
Oct 15 17:40:37 <stryngs> I do all my development on the same box, so i just make a meta package that contains a list of all debs installed on my system =)
Oct 15 17:40:54 <stryngs> Do you create .debs Sicelo?
Oct 15 17:41:03 <stryngs> If so I would really love some of your input then
Oct 15 17:41:15 <Sicelo> no. i don't know all that. i'm reading up on it just now.
Oct 15 17:41:20 <stryngs> Ah
Oct 15 17:41:22 <stryngs> It's confounding
Oct 15 17:41:27 <stryngs> I do it the "cheater" way
Oct 15 17:41:28 <stryngs> but it works
Oct 15 17:41:33 <stryngs> heres a quick 123
Oct 15 17:41:40 <Sicelo> lol. doesn't seem so from the little i've got so far
Oct 15 17:42:13 <Sicelo> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO has some nice steps
Oct 15 17:42:30 <stryngs> grab source, cd to source, mkdir build, cd build, ../configure --prefix=/usr, make, make install DESTDIR=/root/deb, cd /root/deb, mkdir DEBIAN, cd DEBIAN, create your control file, cd /root, dpkg-deb -b deb .
Oct 15 17:44:24 <stryngs> wow, thats dead simple
Oct 15 17:44:32 <stryngs> heh, wish i could have found that sooner
Oct 15 17:44:37 <stryngs> I just wish it could run native =)
Oct 15 17:44:38 <Sicelo> hehe
Oct 15 17:44:44 <stryngs> the proper package building and all
Oct 15 17:45:51 <Sicelo> SB is faster.. don't know why I'd want to build natively.
Oct 15 17:46:04 <stryngs> Because I build in my offtime at work
Oct 15 17:46:14 <stryngs> and I don't bring my laptop to work
Oct 15 17:46:17 <stryngs> But my n900 is just a phone
Oct 15 17:46:20 <stryngs> .... =)
Oct 15 17:46:41 <stryngs> little bit of putty and some ssh, and im on the n900
Oct 15 17:46:41 <Sicelo> can ssh to your box at home?
Oct 15 17:47:02 <stryngs> my buildbox is my laptop and that is always beside me in my backpack
Oct 15 17:47:04 <stryngs> BUT, that might be an idea
Oct 15 17:47:11 <stryngs> creating a VM to pop to just for this...
Oct 15 17:47:12 <stryngs> hmm
Oct 15 17:47:39 <Sicelo> i have vm for it as well, although i probably couldhave installed 'natively'
Oct 15 17:48:04 <stryngs> yeah, i dont like how it interacts with / which is the "main" reason its not on my current OS
Oct 15 17:48:26 <stryngs> the 2nd part was I never really found a good howto for building .debs before, until u showed me this for the n900 specifically
Oct 15 17:48:31 <stryngs> The main part that confounds me is this though
Oct 15 17:48:47 <stryngs> needed packages and whatnot
Oct 15 17:48:56 <stryngs> how do u know what to put on the Depends line =)
Oct 15 17:50:01 <stryngs> even that tutorial says "Figuring out Build-Depends: is currently left as an exercise for the reader
Oct 15 17:50:51 <stryngs> But, I must say, having been shown this little treasure, I have no excuse not to create an ssh'able SB now
Oct 15 17:51:46 <Sicelo> great.
Oct 15 17:52:03 <stryngs> Hah, i've built so much for the damn n900 already natively
Oct 15 17:54:40 <stryngs> curl http://termbin.com/ykuo
Oct 15 17:54:41 <stryngs> =)
Oct 15 17:54:46 * stryngs is proud of his collection
Oct 15 17:59:15 <M4rtinK> stryngs: willing to build a small thing for me when you are at it ? :)
Oct 15 17:59:40 <stryngs> whats that?
Oct 15 17:59:55 <stryngs> I can build natievly all day long, just depends if the depends are in place
Oct 15 18:00:00 * stryngs likes being helpful
Oct 15 18:00:34 <M4rtinK> my Maemo 5 SDK is kinda toast at the moment, so it would really help :)
Oct 15 18:00:45 <M4rtinK> basically this: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/pyotherside
Oct 15 18:01:17 <M4rtinK> it needs Qt 5 & Python, both of which should be available 
Oct 15 18:01:23 <M4rtinK> *Python 3
Oct 15 18:01:40 <M4rtinK> Python 3 is IIRC even in Extras-Devel
Oct 15 18:02:05 <M4rtinK> as for Qt 5: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt5-Maemo5
Oct 15 18:02:05 <stryngs> http://thp.io/2011/pyotherside/pyotherside-1.3.0.tar.gz
Oct 15 18:02:08 <stryngs> that?
Oct 15 18:02:11 <M4rtinK> yep
Oct 15 18:02:21 <M4rtinK> it is kinda tiny actually
Oct 15 18:02:33 <M4rtinK> as for why I need it
Oct 15 18:02:54 <M4rtinK> it is a dependency for the Qt 5 GUI of the modRana navigation system
Oct 15 18:03:21 <M4rtinK> so far only the GTK & old Qt 4 based GUI can run on the N900
Oct 15 18:03:39 <M4rtinK> and I can't PyOtherSide myself due to the broken SDK
Oct 15 18:04:15 <stryngs> I think I tried to build something that required qmake a while back
Oct 15 18:04:29 <stryngs> and i had those same issues, the project wasn't a necessity, so i just put it off to the side
Oct 15 18:04:42 <stryngs> And since I rock 9gb on /, i wouldn't mind having access to it honestly
Oct 15 18:16:25 <user> evening all
Oct 15 18:16:43 <stryngs> hi
Oct 15 18:16:55 <user> hi stryngs
Oct 15 18:17:51 <user> i looking for API wich can translate audio speech file (mp3) to text 
Oct 15 18:18:09 <user> i'm looking for API wich can translate audio speech file (mp3) to text 
Oct 15 18:18:29 <user> do you know something about this ?
Oct 15 18:19:26 <user> i think it's my best chance to can translate my english book of magic :)
Oct 15 18:21:30 <user> i can't scan all page of book .. too long and boring :( but if i read for after translate ! that is wonderful , i will can train my english too
Oct 15 18:23:05 * Sicelo has no idea. you will be doing this on N900?
Oct 15 18:25:06 * stryngs recommends Siri
Oct 15 18:25:08 <stryngs> =)
Oct 15 18:28:28 <Sicelo> haha
Oct 15 18:32:54 <stryngs> capsul: Do NOT let Siri know you are using an N900 though, she'll go crazy and try to kill you.
Oct 15 18:32:57 <stryngs> True story
Oct 15 18:33:05 <capsul> yess with n900 ;) but i download saera and ... very diffult to use it when u are frenchee with wonderful accent -__-
Oct 15 18:33:47 <capsul> it use little ..... spoon???!
Oct 15 19:15:31 <Sicelo> stryngs: if you'd like to get the irssi i've built, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1443068#post1443068
Oct 15 19:16:13 <stryngs> cool
Oct 15 19:27:10 <Sicelo> I see I don't have a .desktop file, so no shortcut in applications menu
Oct 15 19:27:16 <Sicelo> meh.. will do that later
Oct 15 19:31:36 <Sicelo> and also have to optify 
Oct 15 21:13:38 <Sicelo> Sicelo900: ping
Oct 15 21:14:24 <Sicelo> Sicelo900: ping
Oct 15 21:15:24 <Sicelo900> great ;) irssi can now do notifications via script
Oct 15 21:21:28 <Sicelo> Sicelo900: ping
Oct 15 21:46:36 <Sicelo> ~emc
Oct 15 21:50:10 <Sicelo> ~emmc
Oct 15 21:50:11 <infobot> i heard emmc is is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc2
Oct 15 21:50:31 <sixwheeledbeast> ~emmc51
Oct 15 21:50:33 <sixwheeledbeast> :(
Oct 15 21:50:48 <Sicelo> what was supposed to be there sixwheeledbeast?
Oct 15 21:51:15 <sixwheeledbeast> merely a joke on ~emmc* ;)
Oct 15 21:52:04 <Sicelo> hehe
Oct 15 21:52:14 <sixwheeledbeast> I expect everyone to have there own ~emmc factiod/dropbox link eventually...
Oct 15 21:57:05 <M4rtinK> haven't know N900 has an EMC Symetrix inside :)
Oct 15 21:57:12 <M4rtinK> *known ;-)
Oct 15 22:04:39 <kerio> why the fuck are you even flashing emmc
Oct 15 22:18:38 <sixwheeledbeast> to clear other peoples crap off it, for example.
Oct 15 22:25:11 <jon_y> ~emmc2
Oct 15 22:25:12 <infobot> methinks emmc2 is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22FGDOJCSI/--LID--FiRe1275064390175/163EC1AE_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.IBERIA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22VHGOMWUG/--LID--FiRe1274862877184/E3AD4912_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.SEAP_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, or see emmc3
Oct 15 22:25:33 <jon_y> what's in the emmc?
Oct 15 22:33:14 <kerio> jon_y: ads
Oct 15 22:33:24 <kerio> and informations about partitioning
Oct 15 22:33:54 <kerio> mbr, vfat partition mounted as /home/user/mydocs, extfs partition mounted as /home, swap partition
Oct 15 22:33:57 <kerio> in this order
Oct 15 22:35:40 <Sicelo900> kerio: ads such as?
Oct 15 22:36:46 <jon_y> kerio: are all the ~emmc* clean?
Oct 15 22:37:35 <jon_y> and do I need to flash the correct region?
Oct 15 23:23:25 <Pali> somebody could create generataror of partition lauout format (as n900 softupd flash server could accept) and add default configuration to 0xFFFF
Oct 15 23:23:36 <Pali> and also implement mmc flashing in 0xFFFF
Oct 15 23:23:45 <Pali> and we can get rid of eMMC image
Oct 15 23:24:36 <Pali> (0xFFFF could generate in that case "empty" vfat image, correct partition layout on the fly and sent it via usb to n900 softupd flash server)
Oct 16 00:09:05 <drathir> there is a possibility to console remote switch between usb connection modes?
Oct 16 00:09:45 <drathir> or force storage mode in the same way as flashing ?
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