**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 04 03:00:00 2014 Nov 04 05:46:35 now when i set usb mode to host it changed to no data or not calibrated and after changing back to peripheral mode it shows same (wrong) mah value Nov 04 10:08:32 ~Pong Nov 04 10:08:33 ping, or also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_video_game Nov 04 10:09:00 ~Maemo Nov 04 10:09:20 ~Dict maemo Nov 04 10:09:23 could not find definition for maemo Nov 04 10:09:41 ~Wiki maemo Nov 04 10:09:45 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Use dmy dates|date=July 2012}} {{Infobox OS | name = Maemo | logo = | screenshot = | caption = Screenshot of Maemo 5 | website = {{URL |http://www.maemo.org/}} | author = Nokia | developer = Hildon Foundation | family = Linux | source_model = Largely open source with mandatory proprietary components{{cite web |url = http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | publisher = Mæmo | ... Nov 04 10:10:44 ~Nokiabot Nov 04 10:10:45 you are, like, so damm sexy that doc burns inside out :p Nov 04 11:40:18 moin :) Nov 04 11:41:05 Hi Nov 04 12:19:33 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla Nov 04 13:42:54 ~forget Nokiabot Nov 04 13:42:57 cannot alter locked factoids, teotwaki Nov 04 13:43:05 ~unlock Nokiabot Nov 04 13:43:15 dafuq Nov 04 13:43:30 how the hell did he get that locked? Nov 04 13:54:49 I thought only the creator could unlock locked factoids. Nov 04 16:46:38 sixwheeledbeast: so ... calendar can subscribe to icals and automagically sync ? Nov 04 16:51:01 bencoh, did I miss something? Nov 04 16:51:25 13:36 < sixwheeledbeast> MrPingu: I have imported Ical to calendar. IIRC MicroB will ask if you want to add it to Calendar? Nov 04 16:51:29 13:37 < sixwheeledbeast> MrPingu: I added all the motoGP dates to my calender that way, I could even give them there own colour too. Nov 04 16:51:41 (yesterday I think) Nov 04 16:51:49 Ah I missed that :S Nov 04 16:52:11 anyway, I can import ical predefined files Nov 04 16:52:21 but not ical subscription Nov 04 16:52:29 afaik Nov 04 16:55:59 It's webcal://timetable.tudelft.nl/*personal-token* Nov 04 16:56:39 Unable to open, Webtype not supported Nov 04 16:56:50 what about ical:// ? Nov 04 16:57:01 or cal:// Nov 04 17:03:29 If I use http:// it gives me an ical file Nov 04 17:06:29 But it doesn't recognize it as I cal files but I can save it and open it with calendar Nov 04 17:07:27 But that file is not a subscription but my whole timetable for a year, which is not what I want in case of room changes Nov 04 17:09:33 When lecture room changes on my online timetable, it should change on my device too. Nov 04 17:12:51 now i let it reboot wit bq running and after bootup applet shows bit closer to reality 1308 when bq shows 1444 Nov 04 17:17:07 MrPingu: if your calendar cannot be subscribed to using one of the methods in http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync, then no, you can't Nov 04 17:17:40 i think our SyncEvolution is even old now, and apparently doesn't work for some configurations as a result Nov 04 17:18:42 Sicelo: It's just a normal calendar subscription, don't know what protocol Nov 04 17:21:31 are you able to sync on desktop? Nov 04 17:21:38 On outlook, yes Nov 04 17:21:48 Don't know how much it syncs Nov 04 17:21:53 Though Nov 04 17:22:19 It updates every day I think Nov 04 17:23:04 haha... on a linux desktop then? Nov 04 17:23:16 nfc :P Nov 04 17:24:08 anyway, i think you can focus your efforts on syncevolution.. Nov 04 17:24:08 Have to use windows for various programs at university Nov 04 17:24:19 it's likely to be what you need Nov 04 17:37:46 try it with current syncevolution, otherwise you might have to get it rebuilt ;) Nov 04 18:34:32 MrPingu: here is an example http://wiki.maemo.org/Adding_holidays_to_Calendar Nov 04 18:34:51 oh and bencoh ^^ Nov 04 18:38:06 I use Qalendar FWIW. Nov 04 18:45:57 lool. i got the ics file for South Africa holidays. now calendar crashes non-stop Nov 04 18:51:53 guess now i've got to find a way to manipulate the calendar and remove the Holidays Nov 04 19:18:48 aaargh, good luck Nov 04 19:19:05 lol Nov 04 19:20:20 MrPingu: it should have worked .. not sure what's wrong with the South Africa calendar there.. i must say i wonder why sixwheeledbeast suggested that for your use case as you've got a 'changing' calendar afaiui Nov 04 19:21:08 er? Nov 04 19:21:50 If you setup a separate calendar, just delete that calendar Nov 04 19:23:11 i tried that via sqlite3. anyway, i'm fixed now. i eventually just deleted the whole calendardb and synced from my Outlook.com account (which I only use for calendar) Nov 04 19:23:49 happily i didn't have too many entries at this particular time Nov 04 19:24:09 Yeah, well I think I will check manually for changes Nov 04 19:28:27 your Android & iPhone friends can sync? Nov 04 19:59:41 Yep Nov 04 19:59:58 Because it's loaded as remote ical file Nov 04 20:00:17 But the n900 instead of using the url to retrieve the data file Nov 04 20:00:40 can only save the file to a local filesystem Nov 04 20:01:25 And *then* retrieve the data in the file Nov 04 20:01:26 i feel that syncevolution would work.. anyway, up to you if you want to play with it Nov 04 20:03:21 I see, nah I will use it this way. Changes are not regular and more like emergencies. And mostly my friends are kind enough to notify me if sudden changes happen Nov 04 20:04:49 :) Nov 04 20:05:05 hello, 2 questions: 1) do you know of any alternative mail client for maemo5 other than the built-in one? 2) Would you expect a different responsiveness after loading a lot of files into /home/MyDoc? My n900 is acting slower now.. Nov 04 20:05:37 MrPingu: sounds like you could lodge that as an enhancement request for qalendar :) Nov 04 20:05:38 1) almost endless possibilites. see tmo. i use mutt mostly Nov 04 20:06:22 2) no, afaik Nov 04 20:06:26 thanks Sicelo, I don't seem to be able to find a proper category to find email clients.. I'll look into mutt Nov 04 20:06:58 gogogogo_: claws mail is available on tmo and theres also alpine (cli) Nov 04 20:07:24 kolp: Good one! Nov 04 20:07:34 thank you Nov 04 20:08:26 as for the second issue: I downloaded a 16gb wikipedia dump to my /home/MyDocs via computer, then unzipped and uploaded to my n900 Nov 04 20:08:51 it was just files, dead storage, nothing else.. that is to be read by Evopedia Nov 04 20:09:18 how could this slow down my hildon? Nov 04 20:09:59 sorry, I mean I downloaded it to my computer and then uploaded to /home/MyDocs after unzipping Nov 04 20:10:50 why none of the mail clients you suggested is available through maemo.org/downloads ? Nov 04 20:11:48 i find the default mail client shit Nov 04 20:12:11 I haven't tried yet lest my data would be sent over to Nokia.. Nov 04 20:12:59 erlehmann: why? Nov 04 20:13:32 kolp it cannot load my inbox Nov 04 20:13:45 i would love to have notmuch on my n900 Nov 04 20:17:56 as far as I understand many use easy-debian to be able to use desktop computer applications for their mail Nov 04 20:18:00 is that why? Nov 04 20:18:45 probably a part of it Nov 04 20:20:21 mmm... I only use yandex and although it provides a light-weight webmail too I'd rather use a proper mail client for writing mails right away Nov 04 20:21:26 webmail will do as always but I bet there is something good to install, I just don't trust Nokia's client Nov 04 20:21:44 gogogogo_ have you installed cssu Nov 04 20:21:55 no :\ Nov 04 20:22:34 I haven't looked into it yet Nov 04 20:22:36 gogogogo_: i think you can trust the mail client, haha. the code there has been looked at many times by many volunteers.. Nov 04 20:22:51 this is good news Nov 04 20:22:52 it's open source .. all of it (afaik) Nov 04 20:23:13 it is indeed Nov 04 20:23:16 just a few days ago kolp here fixed ssl/tls things or us Nov 04 20:23:23 ah.. the man himself ;) Nov 04 20:23:26 *for Nov 04 20:23:34 kolp how can one fix the stupid message limit Nov 04 20:23:51 by increasing the relevant buffers, I guess :) Nov 04 20:23:53 what about the provider and your prefix being communicated to Nokia though? Nov 04 20:24:19 as the first page of the wizard says Nov 04 20:24:33 gogogogo_: I looke dinto this briefly and couldn#t find it in the version I was looking at. maybe it has been removed, not sure Nov 04 20:24:49 It's on my list of things to look into Nov 04 20:24:53 properly Nov 04 20:24:59 then you are referring to a client which you update via CSSU? Nov 04 20:25:07 sorry for the noobness Nov 04 20:25:13 one more thing gogogogo_ .. as far as Nokia is concerned, the N900 doesn't exist nowadays.. chances they would set aside server resources for 'spying' on it are really low :p Nov 04 20:25:50 thanks, I like your answers Nov 04 20:25:59 they are even closing down the one thing which had access to your mail accounts (if you set it) .. Nokia Messaging Nov 04 20:26:38 thanks Nokia for leaving us alone, from my point of view ;) Nov 04 20:27:08 even though as a noob I can't really contribute to the community work Nov 04 20:28:27 how to make location servers work? Nov 04 20:28:39 so, you kolp updated the source itself and these updates are available to cssu users? Nov 04 20:29:35 modest received a few updates in cssu, yes (my recent fix is only in the -devel branch) Nov 04 20:29:52 erlehmann: cssu .. only nokia's ones, afaik Nov 04 20:36:15 my built-in client doesn't load my mailbox Nov 04 20:36:33 darn Nov 04 20:37:33 trying via wi-fi Nov 04 20:38:31 ok it works! Nov 04 20:39:01 it only takes forever C: Nov 04 20:40:15 ahahahahaha, can you believe all my emails are dated 1/1/1970? Nov 04 20:40:29 and... they're all flagged "Expunged" Nov 04 20:40:34 C: nice Nov 04 20:41:38 lol. i would suspect the flags on your mail server Nov 04 20:43:12 well.. you have to admit that if they were using emails in 1970 they're pretty cutting-edge Nov 04 20:43:46 oh lord, it works terribly XD Nov 04 20:44:37 I'd be better off with putty Nov 04 20:45:58 what's the matter? Nov 04 20:46:37 it keeps loading forever, in the end a readable list gets broken, every mail "Expunged" and dated 1/1/1970, unreadable Nov 04 20:46:51 on and off I can read a few messages Nov 04 20:47:15 how many mails you have? Nov 04 20:47:41 it depends on each folder Nov 04 20:47:59 some have hundreds, other <100 Nov 04 20:48:42 sometimes I get "message not available on the server" too Nov 04 20:49:59 I mean... isn't it just text? Is that so heavy to load? Nov 04 20:51:40 sorry. seems slowness is the biggest complait about modest. myself i've not had problem Nov 04 20:52:37 too bad... I hoped I could rely on it for work :S Nov 04 20:53:34 modest works well for me, too Nov 04 20:54:10 do you believe cssu would help? Nov 04 21:01:45 i use gmail with default client and never had any problems. used it with cssu stable and now with testing Nov 04 21:04:15 to be fair .. all complaints seem to be related to large numbers of emails. Nov 04 21:05:03 so i don't know if you could try reorganize your mails gogogogo_ and see if it's any better. especially Inbox, which is obviously the busiest folder Nov 04 21:06:05 my heaviest folder has 200 emails, while inbox has slightly more than 100 Nov 04 21:06:13 is this kind of numbers you're referring to? Nov 04 21:06:38 I'm already sorting things into specific folders Nov 04 21:10:11 my All Mail folder in Gmail has 7900 mails according to Mutt. modest has no problem with them. Nov 04 21:11:45 that's insane Nov 04 21:12:10 I have close to ~2k. No problems. Nov 04 21:12:39 how fortunate, any suggestions? Nov 04 21:13:14 idk, is a reflash worth it? Nov 04 21:14:11 might be Nov 04 21:14:21 I have other reasons to reflash for Nov 04 21:14:48 tbh, i didn't really understand what your exact problem is .. messages saying 1970 or deleted sounds like something on your mail server. try looking at them with a better client, like mutt. you should be able to see weird flags, etc, and prolly fix them. just my 2 cents. Nov 04 21:15:19 how can I use mutt? I can't find it anywhere for meamo Nov 04 21:15:38 I'm using my mail on thunderbird (windows) and it works flawlessly Nov 04 21:15:53 but I know this russian service is a bit strange Nov 04 21:16:18 in thunderbird all dates are fine? Nov 04 21:16:35 yes Nov 04 21:16:40 absolutely Nov 04 21:16:53 never seen anything like that Nov 04 21:17:00 (before) Nov 04 21:17:08 ~mutt Nov 04 21:17:08 rumour has it, mutt is the client of choice for now I think. althea for IMAP. Nov 04 21:17:23 althea then Nov 04 21:17:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Improving_Modest_email_sync_reliability#Accessing_a_IMAP_GMail_account_using_mutt Nov 04 21:18:19 wonderful Nov 04 21:18:45 that page.. problem number 5 isn't true :D Nov 04 21:19:41 and install mutt from repos.. no need for external debs Nov 04 21:21:12 will I need to manually edit config files anyway? Nov 04 21:21:36 of course. the muttrc Nov 04 21:21:49 thanks, I've never used mutt before Nov 04 21:22:42 "your network connection must be fast, because browsing emails will constantly make network connection to the remote IMAP account" Nov 04 21:23:15 unfortunately I'm almost always on 2G connections Nov 04 21:23:41 so mutt is only good when on WiFi? Nov 04 21:24:21 no. Nov 04 21:25:25 actually, if you set up cache, should be useable. i also use 2G 80% of the time Nov 04 21:27:18 wow. my gmail headers file is 11MB Nov 04 21:28:26 will cache be stored inside MyDocs? Nov 04 21:29:04 wherever you set it too Nov 04 21:29:07 *to Nov 04 21:29:18 okay Nov 04 21:33:42 gogogogo_: http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/MuttGuide/Caching Nov 04 21:50:01 erlehmann: building notmuch for n900 sounds doable Nov 04 21:50:12 it's pure C isnt it ? Nov 04 21:55:33 i don't know Nov 04 21:55:38 ask in #notmuch Nov 05 00:04:30 hmm ... I guess package import from autobuilder to extras-devel is a manual operation ? Nov 05 00:07:54 It should be automatic? Unless autobuilder fails? Nov 05 00:09:21 it's automatic Nov 05 00:10:38 oh, okay :) Nov 05 00:12:22 just takes a while Nov 05 00:12:28 what#s wavy? Nov 05 00:16:34 kolp: wayv is "Enables human computer interaction, especially using gestures inputed via the mouse." Nov 05 00:19:16 Gleamed from wayv-maemo Nov 05 00:19:46 wayv-maemo ? what ? Nov 05 00:20:23 oooh, didnt know it was in chinook/diablo :) Nov 05 00:20:29 wayv and wayv-maemo are two 'separate' packages. Never tried them, though Nov 05 00:21:36 it's behaving well here with a tiny patch and custom configuration Nov 05 00:24:39 basically adding some kind of "gesture" support ... move your finger from the right side in landscape, or from the bottom in portrait and "draw" a simple (configurable) "gesture", it will trigger a configurable action **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 05 03:00:00 2014