**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 08 02:59:59 2014
Dec 08 09:30:32 <zGrr> moin :)
Dec 08 11:42:11 <chem|st> totalizator: RAM usage up to having the desktop unresponsive like you are running on a 100MHz P1
Dec 08 11:43:28 <chem|st> nokia made me aware of this very early and I never ever even thought about using anything python on the N900 ever again
Dec 08 12:54:25 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: yes, many python widget leak too. This causes h-d and h-h too become slow.
Dec 08 14:35:35 <jon_y> so why is python so leaky?
Dec 08 14:35:58 <jon_y> bad design in the interpreter? or just maemo?
Dec 08 14:36:07 <jon_y> or pygtk
Dec 08 14:46:10 <kerio> "leaky"?
Dec 08 14:46:28 <kerio> i doubt there's memory leak bugs in cpython
Dec 08 15:00:20 <bencoh> maybe not in python, but most probably in a python widget :p
Dec 08 16:30:43 <sixwheeledbeast> jon_y, kerio, bencoh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86804
Dec 08 16:41:08 <totalizator> chem|st: ohwell, I have copleted Starcraft on 486DX4/100MHz with 16MB RAM :3
Dec 08 16:43:01 <totalizator> sixwheeledbeast: no more python widgets for me then
Dec 08 16:43:59 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: yep, I only use the calendar widget. I have uninstalled every other widget I can
Dec 08 16:44:45 <sixwheeledbeast> not even QBW which I used a lot 2 or more years ago.
Dec 08 16:45:26 <totalizator> qbw?
Dec 08 16:48:11 <totalizator> speaking of h-d - is there some easy way to paginate the launcher? like here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63460
Dec 08 16:49:48 <totalizator> original bahavior is one of the biggest design flaws of n900 for me
Dec 08 16:55:20 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: queen beecon widget (a very useful widget application)
Dec 08 16:55:41 <stryngs> anyone have pip installed on their n00?
Dec 08 16:55:44 <stryngs> n900 rather
Dec 08 16:58:27 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: unless it was added to CSSU h-d no. Would be good to get it in there with a gconf or transitions.ini file option.
Dec 08 17:13:07 <Vajb> just out of curiosity. is there a list of all python widgets to check if i have them installed? based on ham it seems that i just have dropn900 which is python
Dec 08 17:15:34 <totalizator> sixwheeledbeast: hah, I have naver even tried to instal qbw being afraid it gonna kill my n900
Dec 08 17:16:19 <sixwheeledbeast> Vajb: nope, not afaik. Maybe a search on a dependency will work. Ideally I wanted to check ever widget to see if there was a bug, however, it's not that simple as it may only happen with  combinations of widgetz
Dec 08 17:17:19 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: it's a very good, flexible app with good documentation. I just can't justify the memory usage.
Dec 08 17:22:51 <Vajb> well everything that came up on ham by python search was related to dropn900 and since it doesn't work i might just remove it
Dec 08 17:24:22 <Vajb> i don't have continuing issues with slowness but from time to time i notice some slowliness, but then at the next moment it's working fine without reboot or killing any process...
Dec 08 17:25:09 <Vajb> and well. Comparing to e90 this is rocket :)
Dec 08 17:25:57 <totalizator> Vajb: you can do dpkg --get-selections | grep widget and then apt-cache depends <pkg>
Dec 08 17:29:15 <Vajb> only widget that i use at the moment is that calendar widget
Dec 08 17:29:50 <Vajb> but can widget cause problems even if it's not activated on desktop?
Dec 08 17:30:19 <sixwheeledbeast> Vajb: I believe python widget can yes
Dec 08 17:32:25 <sixwheeledbeast> I can only assume the device is busy doing something else, top and powertop/zzztop will help with that.
Dec 08 17:39:57 <Vajb> it seems that i don't have any python widgets installed
Dec 08 17:40:30 <Vajb> what does zzztop?
Dec 08 17:57:49 <sixwheeledbeast> ~zzztop
Dec 08 17:57:49 <infobot> zzztop is probably - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop
Dec 08 18:11:30 <Vajb> i c
Dec 08 19:01:08 <wizbit> my n900 backcover does not have a magnet, so that means the sd card is not recognized
Dec 08 19:01:21 <wizbit> is there a software way to fool the n900 that the backcover is always on?
Dec 08 19:08:45 <wizbit> my god, i just realised the n900 has a stylus built in
Dec 08 19:08:48 <wizbit> where have i been
Dec 08 19:10:02 <bencoh> oO
Dec 08 19:10:15 <bencoh> you mean you hadnt seen it ?
Dec 08 19:10:42 <wizbit> i didnt realise it was built into the phone, and can be pulled out
Dec 08 19:13:23 <kerio> when did you buy your n900
Dec 08 19:22:40 <Sicelo> wow!
Dec 08 19:29:39 <wizbit> on ebay, got it cheap because it cant recognize extra sd card, but when i held a magnet up against the back cover, the sd card came alive
Dec 08 19:29:59 <wizbit> so all i need now is another back cover what has the little magnets
Dec 08 19:30:09 <wizbit> or some little magnets what i can glue on
Dec 08 19:36:11 <ashneo76> Anybody know where to get flasher-3.5 from?
Dec 08 19:40:45 <reinob> http://web.archive.org/web/20131117084237/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
Dec 08 19:41:10 <reinob> :)
Dec 08 19:49:10 <ashneo76> Thank you so much. 
Dec 08 19:49:36 <reinob> make sure you download everything you might ever need and make a backup of it in three separate places
Dec 08 19:49:47 <reinob> (HDD, DVD and cloud..)
Dec 08 19:50:23 <ashneo76> Yes. I plan to do that now. And possibly setup my n900 to point my backups. 
Dec 08 19:51:43 <ashneo76> so Skeiron is down
Dec 08 19:54:59 <ashneo76> Oh nvm. I misread that 
Dec 08 19:57:18 <t4nk442> Hello. I am from Russia. Recently, I have no access to wiki.maemo.org and repository.maemo.org. I can connect to repository.maemo.org through Tor or VPN in Netherlands. I have no access to wiki.maemo.org via Tor and VPN from home (Transtelecom network provider), but can connect from my work without VPN and Tor (Intercomtel provider). Сan anybody help me?
Dec 08 19:59:17 <t4nk442> And I want to create a mirror of the repository. Is there any instructions?
Dec 08 20:00:15 <reinob> t4nk442: re. first point: probably a victim of an overzealous filter. maybe techstaff can help you with that
Dec 08 20:01:08 <reinob> t4nk442: re. second point: https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror
Dec 08 20:01:21 <reinob> (no pun intended, hopefully you can read the wiki using your vpn)
Dec 08 20:01:35 <reinob> ask again if you need help with that
Dec 08 20:12:04 <t4nk442> Thank you. Will the repository automatically be used by other people? Or only if they manually add my address to repositories list.  I ask because CentOS chooses the best mirror automatically..
Dec 08 20:13:53 <reinob> AFAIK with apt-mirror you just create your (private) mirror. As long as you don't make your address public nobody will touch it
Dec 08 20:29:25 <t4nk442> If I want to make a public repository, should i register it somewhere?
Dec 08 20:50:37 <reinob> not for maemo. you'd just need to "advertise" it (on talk.maemo.org)
Dec 08 20:53:47 <stryngs> ~pip
Dec 08 20:53:48 <infobot> methinks pip is the sexiest nerd... only a little out of Jen-ni's age range =oP
Dec 08 20:53:53 <stryngs> ~easy_install
Dec 08 20:53:58 <stryngs> ~easy-install
Dec 08 21:07:35 <t4nk442> reinob: Thank you for responses.
Dec 08 21:46:08 <wizbit> what is your favourite theme for n900?
Dec 08 21:47:40 <bencoh> maemeemo with fractal (flam3) backgrounds here
Dec 08 21:48:50 <wizbit> wow how cool
Dec 08 21:48:58 <wizbit> can that be downloaded from a repo?
Dec 08 21:51:17 <bencoh> maemeemo ? sure
Dec 08 21:51:51 <wizbit> installing :D
Dec 08 22:00:00 <wizbit> bencoh: do you use a icon pack?
Dec 08 22:00:56 <bencoh> hmm yeah, harmattan or harmattan white (or black ?)
Dec 08 22:01:00 <bencoh> one of these iirc
Dec 08 22:05:11 <wizbit> bencoh: did you install harmattan icons seperately
Dec 08 22:05:46 <bencoh> not sure
Dec 08 22:06:13 <bencoh> maemeemo depends on harmattan-icons-pack
Dec 08 22:06:45 <wizbit> ohh thats in Extras-devel
Dec 08 22:06:50 <wizbit> thats why i dont have it
Dec 08 22:06:59 <bencoh> who/what ?
Dec 08 22:07:04 <wizbit> http://maemo.org/packages/view/harmattan-icons-pack/
Dec 08 22:07:29 <bencoh> hmm ... isnt maemeemo in extras ?
Dec 08 22:07:38 <bencoh> how would a package from extras depend on one from -devel ?
Dec 08 22:08:25 <bencoh> erm wait, the version from extras might actually be depending on harmattan-icons-pack-for-white-themes
Dec 08 22:08:48 <wizbit> the only icons what look different on mine is what i launch app manager
Dec 08 22:09:18 <bencoh> you'll need to restart hildon-desktop/hildon-home/systemui/hildon-status-menu
Dec 08 22:09:23 <bencoh> (and maybe a few others)
Dec 08 22:09:28 <bencoh> (or reboot your phone)
Dec 08 22:09:40 <wizbit> i did reboot it but it didnt change
Dec 08 22:12:20 <bencoh> what does dpkg -l |grep icon say ?
Dec 08 22:13:14 <wizbit> maemo-icons-002
Dec 08 22:13:21 <wizbit> rtcom-skype-emoticons-theme
Dec 08 22:13:25 <wizbit> thats it
Dec 08 22:13:36 <bencoh> then you might have to install it
Dec 08 22:13:52 <wizbit> dpkg -l | grep maemee
Dec 08 22:14:00 <wizbit> maemeemo-theme
Dec 08 22:14:15 <wizbit> the funny thing is all my app manager icons have changed
Dec 08 22:14:17 <wizbit> they look nice
Dec 08 22:14:20 <bencoh> iirc the maemeemo thread says you should use theme customizer
Dec 08 22:14:46 <bencoh> I dont remember what I did :]
Dec 08 22:15:30 <bencoh> n900:~$ grep -rn harmattan /etc/hildon/theme/
Dec 08 22:15:30 <bencoh> /etc/hildon/theme/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:9:gtk-icon-theme-name = "harmattan-icons-pack"
Dec 08 22:15:30 <bencoh> /etc/hildon/theme/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.cache:58:harmattan-icons-pack
Dec 08 22:15:30 <bencoh> /etc/hildon/theme/index.theme:9:IconTheme=harmattan-icons-pack
Dec 08 22:15:53 <bencoh> I dont think I edited that manually
Dec 08 22:16:06 <wizbit> my one says the same !
Dec 08 22:17:01 <wizbit> http://maemo.org/packages/view/harmattan-icons-pack/
Dec 08 22:17:07 <bencoh> try installing it
Dec 08 22:17:08 <wizbit> it says there they are in Extra-devel
Dec 08 22:17:17 <wizbit> so will enable catalogue and install them
Dec 08 22:24:19 <wizbit> wow the icons look amazing
Dec 08 22:25:05 <wizbit> all i need now is a big clock fixed into the wallpaper
Dec 08 22:28:09 <wizbit> bencoh: do you use a different lock screen theme?
Dec 08 22:28:15 <sixwheeledbeast> t4nk442: tor exit nodes are blocked on wiki.m.o and IIRC bugs.m.o, we have had a 99% reduction in spam due to this.
Dec 08 22:28:19 <bencoh> yeah
Dec 08 22:28:46 <bencoh> well I have a different background at least
Dec 08 22:29:08 <bencoh> and I blanked the "slide to unlock" label
Dec 08 22:29:24 <wizbit> there is a package called harmattan-lockscreen
Dec 08 22:30:04 <bencoh> that's qtlockscreen-based
Dec 08 22:30:32 <bencoh> (which means qt, which in turns means a whole lot of memory)
Dec 08 22:32:17 <bencoh> I wonder why we dont have fbgrab/fbdump ... how do people take reasonable screenshots from the commandline ?
Dec 08 22:32:33 <bencoh> (not the imagemagick/convert borked rootwindow)
Dec 08 22:33:23 <sixwheeledbeast> t4nk442: you will have to whitelist *.maemo.org or use a non tor browser unfortunately. Ideally this could do with having a captcha instead of the Apache ip blacklist. However, for security reasons this is what we have for now.
Dec 08 22:34:46 <sixwheeledbeast> wizbit: superglue any strong magnet to the backcover. a piece of earphone magnet is good apparently.
Dec 08 22:35:29 <wizbit> sixwheeledbeast: if i put the magnet inside, would that mean i can hotswap the sd card
Dec 08 22:36:55 <sixwheeledbeast> wizbit: probably not a good idea to pull a mounted card from the socket.
Dec 08 22:37:32 <wizbit> aye ok
Dec 08 22:37:45 <sixwheeledbeast> but some people do relocate the magnet so the back cover can be removed without unmounting the card.
Dec 08 22:39:02 <sixwheeledbeast> also I use the orange "Digital Nature" theme with a carbon fibre background image.
Dec 08 22:39:03 <wizbit> this phone looks prettier than ios 7
Dec 08 22:39:39 <wizbit> ace will take a look
Dec 08 22:40:17 <sixwheeledbeast> bencoh: re screenshots I believe ~beasttweaks will help
Dec 08 22:40:25 <sixwheeledbeast> ~beasttweaks
Dec 08 22:40:25 <infobot> hmm... beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts
Dec 08 22:40:38 <wizbit> i wouldnt mind a wallpaper what says maemo on it
Dec 08 22:40:43 <wizbit> or CSSU
Dec 08 22:41:23 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: thx :)
Dec 08 22:41:45 <sixwheeledbeast> wizbit: note the Digital-Nature is a stock theme so no extra rubbish has to be installed, I just made a carbon fibre wallpaper
Dec 08 22:42:11 <sixwheeledbeast> bencoh: np
Dec 08 22:42:42 <bencoh> hm looks like I never installed gst-launch, odd
Dec 08 22:51:24 <bencoh> wizbit: http://muarf.org/~bencoh/pics/maemeemo-flam3-home.png http://muarf.org/~bencoh/pics/maemeemo-flam3-lock.png
Dec 08 22:53:25 <bencoh> I wonder why the lockscreen background gets wrapped (last left line is wrapped at the right)
Dec 08 22:53:44 <bencoh> (s/line/column since the picture is rotated)
Dec 08 22:55:17 <wizbit> looks ace :D
Dec 08 23:08:36 <sixwheeledbeast> wizbit: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/109890970/Screenshot-20141208-225949.png
Dec 08 23:16:57 <sixwheeledbeast> oh I forgot Ubuntu fonts, not keen on Nokia Sans
Dec 09 00:40:54 <chem|st> totalizator: DX4? rich shit! I had a DX2 with 8MB Ram... nevertheless a n900 at that stepping is more than failing!
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