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Dec 10 03:44:14 <jonwil> We cant change it because one of the bits that use the pref (browser.launch) is closed source
Dec 10 06:17:23 <b1101> how much do new n900's sell for ?
Dec 10 06:17:36 <b1101> I purchased one and am going to sell it unused
Dec 10 06:19:05 <b1101> It was my backup N900, and I don't think I could use it while not being completely paranoid about dropping/ruining it somehow, as I see no other option for a phone. I just purchased a T9 style phone and will use that until there is a real option
Dec 10 09:12:35 <zGrr> moin :)
Dec 10 09:23:09 <cacaphony> Hello. I'm repeating a sound every 15 minutes with a simple script. However, when I start another application that makes sound, it stops working until I restart the program. Can anyone help with this?
Dec 10 09:23:15 <cacaphony> Here's the bash script I'm running: http://pastebin.com/KdQFt2q3
Dec 10 09:25:24 <neal> I want to use my N900 as a backup internet connection (connected via USB to my router).  But to establish a connection, I need to manually select "PC Suite".  Is there a way to configure the N900 to automatically use pc suite mode?
Dec 10 09:31:45 <neal> cacaphony: Do you get any output?
Dec 10 09:32:30 <neal> cacaphony: Have you configured mplayer to use pulseaudio?
Dec 10 09:32:49 <neal> cacaphony: If it is trying to use the raw devices and then pulseaudio grabs them, then it will be locked out.
Dec 10 09:32:54 <wnd> I haven't really tried running mplayer and other sound producing programs on n900 but I'd check audio output plugin first, as neal is suggesting
Dec 10 09:33:54 <wnd> you could try to use mplayer -ao pulse sound.wav
Dec 10 13:02:30 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Dec 10 17:29:21 <Pali> hi, kernel-power v53 was released, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287
Dec 10 17:29:31 <bencoh> yay
Dec 10 17:38:05 <kerio> neat
Dec 10 17:38:30 <reinob> wow thanks Pali
Dec 10 17:39:00 <kerio> what does it do
Dec 10 18:25:54 <rZr> hi
Dec 10 18:27:46 <stryngs> Whoa
Dec 10 18:27:47 <stryngs> kp53
Dec 10 18:28:06 <stryngs> Pali: Is it stable with packet injection?
Dec 10 18:28:34 <Pali> I think yes
Dec 10 18:28:40 <stryngs> Very cool
Dec 10 18:28:48 <stryngs> I will be testing that soon, I'll throw it into beta =)
Dec 10 18:29:16 <stryngs> Pali: Is it stable without cssu?
Dec 10 18:29:38 <Pali> kp has nothing with cssu
Dec 10 18:30:07 <stryngs> right right, but most people here are all about cssu.  I specifically avoid cssu for compatibility reasons
Dec 10 18:30:19 <stryngs> Just wanted to make sure it wasn't relying on anything cssu after the upgrade =)
Dec 10 18:30:31 <stryngs> url for changelog?
Dec 10 18:30:40 <stryngs> Very happy to hear about this btw Pali, good job =)
Dec 10 18:30:41 <Pali> see tmo thread
Dec 10 18:30:52 <Pali> there is also changelog
Dec 10 18:31:46 * stryngs searches for the "tmo thread"
Dec 10 18:32:15 <Pali> see link ^^^^^
Dec 10 18:32:20 <stryngs> Ah
Dec 10 18:32:26 <Pali> ~tmo
Dec 10 18:32:27 <infobot> i heard tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.
Dec 10 18:34:56 <stryngs> pali: http://termbin.com/vhz0
Dec 10 18:35:04 <stryngs> That's a listing of all my kernel related .debs
Dec 10 18:35:08 <rZr> do you know chem|st email ?
Dec 10 18:35:45 <Pali> stryngs: packages are in extras-devel & testing
Dec 10 18:35:59 <Pali> just update to kp53 via application manager or apt-get
Dec 10 18:36:06 <stryngs> I got that, what i was getting at, obviously things ending in power52 will be replaced
Dec 10 18:36:12 <stryngs> i can't
Dec 10 18:36:17 <stryngs> it's complicated how my n900 works
Dec 10 18:36:20 <stryngs> A lot of rbinds
Dec 10 18:36:29 <stryngs> so i have to figure out things "beforehand" =/
Dec 10 18:37:05 <Pali> hm?
Dec 10 18:37:15 <stryngs> So I'm guessing the following will be replaced: .kernel-power-flasher_1%3a2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb, kernel-power-headers_1%3a2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb, kernel-power-modules_1%3a2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb, kernel-power_1%3a2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb
Dec 10 18:37:19 <stryngs> BUt....
Dec 10 18:37:37 <stryngs> What about kernel-maemo_2.6.28-maemo22_armel.deb, kernel-modules-maemo_2.6.28-maemo22_armel.deb, kernel-power-settings_0.17_armel.deb
Dec 10 18:37:45 <stryngs> Do those 3 also get replaced?
Dec 10 18:37:49 <Pali> -maemo packages are not used
Dec 10 18:37:56 <Pali> do not install them
Dec 10 18:38:43 <stryngs> oh really
Dec 10 18:38:49 <stryngs> So having those installed is wrong hten??
Dec 10 18:39:02 <Pali> yes
Dec 10 18:39:29 <stryngs> heh
Dec 10 18:39:38 <stryngs> My system is stable, what makes it wrong out of a knowledge perspective?
Dec 10 18:39:49 <Pali> -maemo are transitional packages
Dec 10 18:39:57 <Pali> which should be removed (now)
Dec 10 18:40:00 <kerio> Pali: why isn't kernel-power 53 in extras-devel? :o
Dec 10 18:40:13 <Pali> ??
Dec 10 18:40:24 <Pali> maemo.org interface told that it is
Dec 10 18:40:29 <bencoh> you mean "how comes it's already in -testing" ?
Dec 10 18:40:59 <Pali> I clicked for promoting them to -testing
Dec 10 18:41:09 <kerio> mh, it's not in merlin1991's extras-devel mirror
Dec 10 18:41:12 <kerio> nvm
Dec 10 18:41:20 <Pali> mirror is not up-to-date...
Dec 10 18:41:22 <Pali> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/
Dec 10 18:41:26 <Pali> there is kp53
Dec 10 18:41:34 <kerio> i guess it's going to be up-to-date eventually
Dec 10 18:41:52 <bencoh> (hm, actually it's not in -testing according to maemo.org/packages webuit)
Dec 10 18:41:54 <bencoh> webui*
Dec 10 18:42:34 <Pali> maybe need to wait until that some process move them to -testing
Dec 10 18:42:40 <bencoh> maybe
Dec 10 18:42:58 <stryngs> Pali: Package: kernel-power-settings, U say do NOT install this?
Dec 10 18:43:08 <Pali> only -maemo
Dec 10 18:43:12 <stryngs> I'm not questioning your knowledge, just trying to make im damn sure right
Dec 10 18:43:14 <Pali> settings is needed for overlock
Dec 10 18:43:23 <stryngs> Ah
Dec 10 18:43:27 <Pali> *overclock
Dec 10 18:43:28 <stryngs> is 0.17 the newest?
Dec 10 18:43:32 <stryngs> I have 10kbps internet
Dec 10 18:43:32 <Pali> no 0.18
Dec 10 18:43:38 <stryngs> so an apt-get update is "difficult"
Dec 10 18:43:53 <Pali> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power-settings/
Dec 10 18:44:39 <stryngs> Ok
Dec 10 18:44:57 <stryngs> So I will get anything power53, and purge kernel-maemo_2.6.28-maemo22_armel.deb and kernel-modules-maemo_2.6.28-maemo22_armel.deb
Dec 10 18:49:01 <stryngs> Pali, another dumb question:  I try to only install what's needed, so I'm in: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/.  I see the following debs for kp53: kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power53_armel.deb, kernel-power-debug_2.6.28-10power53_armel.deb, kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-10power53_armel.deb, kernel-power-headers_2.6.28-10power53_armel.deb, kernel-power-modules-deb
Dec 10 18:49:07 <stryngs> ug_2.6.28-10power53_armel.deb, kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-10power53_armel.deb, kernel-power-source_2.6.28-10power53_all.deb, kernel-power_2.6.28-10power53_armel.deb , linux-kernel-power-headers_2.6.28-10power53_armel.deb
Dec 10 18:49:19 <stryngs> I'm guessing I do NOT need every single one
Dec 10 18:49:25 <Pali> why you not install it via application manager?
Dec 10 18:49:27 <stryngs> The main thing, is that packet injection is capable
Dec 10 18:49:32 <stryngs> Because i cannot
Dec 10 18:49:35 <stryngs> This is for the PwnPhone
Dec 10 18:49:44 <stryngs> Using rbinds for /usr and such
Dec 10 18:49:46 <stryngs> Impossible to do
Dec 10 18:49:57 <stryngs> new kernel requires manual tinkering and dpkg -i to install
Dec 10 18:50:12 <Pali> for normal flashing you need: kernel-power, -modules, -flasher
Dec 10 18:50:22 <Pali> for uboot you need also -bootimg
Dec 10 18:50:29 <Pali> for overclock you need -settings
Dec 10 18:51:01 <Pali> and for packet injection, see TMO thread
Dec 10 18:51:18 <stryngs> so -debug, -modules-debug, -source, are all unneeded
Dec 10 18:52:21 <bencoh> I guess upgrading kernel-power wont make it try to reflash kp in place of uboot (I have -bootimg) ?
Dec 10 18:53:47 <stryngs> Thank u pali =)
Dec 10 18:54:19 <Pali> if you have uboot in nand, you will be asked if you want to replace it with kernel or not
Dec 10 18:54:36 <reinob> bencoh: just doing exactly that. it asks you to replace u-boot with new kp53. I closed the question (=no)
Dec 10 18:54:53 <bencoh> oh, that's nice
Dec 10 18:54:57 <Pali> just reject flashing of kernel into nand, you do not want to touch uboot
Dec 10 18:55:13 <kerio> kernel features as dpkg dependencies is such a gross misuse of dpkg :c
Dec 10 18:56:00 <reinob> yes that's it. going to reboot now. if u-boot was removed you'll know by me not coming back in the next hour or so.. :)
Dec 10 18:56:26 <bencoh> :]
Dec 10 18:58:05 * Sicelo already agreed to overwrite uboot, :p
Dec 10 18:58:13 * Sicelo has non-working usb btw
Dec 10 18:58:25 <Sicelo> but i think it's under control
Dec 10 18:59:00 <bencoh> erm :D
Dec 10 19:02:10 <reinob> I'm back
Dec 10 19:02:21 <reinob> u-boot was preserved - OK
Dec 10 19:02:45 * Sicelo rebooting, after overwriting of uboot
Dec 10 19:03:07 <Sicelo> dots..
Dec 10 19:03:09 <reinob> first reboot failed, but this happens from time to time (race condition in preinit or such, when creating some device nodes)
Dec 10 19:03:10 <kerio> lol i forgot i had uboot-bootimg installed as well
Dec 10 19:03:25 <reinob> battery out and back in and I'm all set with u-boot and kp53
Dec 10 19:03:30 <Sicelo> hildon-desktop  ;)
Dec 10 19:03:32 <Sicelo> win
Dec 10 19:03:37 <kerio> reinob: i sometimes get trashed graphics
Dec 10 19:03:52 <kerio> because powervr
Dec 10 19:05:02 <reinob> kerio: that's when rebooting. I think it's some fvck up in glsl. seems to use the fvcking locale causing it to fail to compile things like "2.5" when it thinks it should be "2,5"
Dec 10 19:05:18 <stryngs> Sicelo: I thought the dots were the desktop?  There's more to the n900 than just moving dots??? 
Dec 10 19:05:22 <reinob> I mean, how brain damaged does one have to be to localize numbers, or compiler error messages!
Dec 10 19:07:36 <reinob> both the racy preinit/rcS and the glsl crap are (for a long time) on my to-do list. I plan to retire in about 25 years. When that happens, I'll solve both issues :)
Dec 10 19:08:54 <kerio> reinob: meh, it's such an awful collection of cruft that it's probably worth rebuilding it from scratch
Dec 10 19:09:00 <kerio> see ~fptf
Dec 10 19:11:07 <Sicelo> stryngs: just being at dots doesn't guarantee you will get into useable desktop. iirc some people have had issues where they get into boot loops at dots, or something similar
Dec 10 19:11:18 <stryngs> I know =), I was poking fun Sicelo 
Dec 10 19:11:22 <stryngs> I guess i failed in my jokes
Dec 10 19:14:43 <reinob> stryngs: FWIW I found your joke good :)
Dec 10 19:15:14 <reinob> there's a number of maemo users whose only experience with maemo is staring at the dots until they buy another phone :)
Dec 10 19:18:22 * Sicelo hasn't a sense of humor, presumably :D
Dec 10 19:18:56 <stryngs> hehe reinob =)
Dec 10 19:19:41 <reinob> Sicelo: you replaced your kernel partition unintendedly, without having usb, and still managed to write about it as if it didn't bother you that much. that's some sense of humor :)
Dec 10 19:21:14 <stryngs> hmm, question.  For cssu, i've started disecting community-ssu-enabler_0.7-4_all.deb
Dec 10 19:21:23 <stryngs> it seems that it just replaces repos, and does apt-get upgrade
Dec 10 19:21:56 <reinob> careful with that. I've also "manually" installed CSSU-thumb on my spare N900 and it was a bit of a mess
Dec 10 19:21:58 <stryngs> so if i grabbed appropriate .debs i wanted from http://repository.maemo.org/community, then i have all things cssu, yes?
Dec 10 19:22:18 <stryngs> i'd love the upgraded packages, it's just things are "manual only" for my build
Dec 10 19:23:33 <reinob> not really. the ssu-enabler contains AFAIR another .deb that needs to be installed
Dec 10 19:23:51 <stryngs> yeah, its blank
Dec 10 19:23:59 <reinob> if you really really need the information I can try to figure it out again. But you have plenty of cssu people here
Dec 10 19:24:00 <stryngs> mp-fremantle-community-pr_0_all.deb
Dec 10 19:24:08 <stryngs> Conflicts: mp-fremantle-generic-pr, mp-fremantle-203-pr, mp-fremantle-002-pr, mp-fremantle-003-pr
Dec 10 19:24:11 <reinob> (but they will recommend doing the "supported" way)
Dec 10 19:24:11 <stryngs> Replaces: mp-fremantle-generic-pr, mp-fremantle-203-pr, mp-fremantle-002-pr, mp-fremantle-003-pr
Dec 10 19:24:14 <stryngs> that's it
Dec 10 19:24:17 <stryngs> Of course they will
Dec 10 19:24:22 <stryngs> I do things the hacker way =)
Dec 10 19:24:50 <stryngs> http://termbin.com/mbdc
Dec 10 19:24:50 <reinob> me too (mostly). but then you don't ask here. figure it out yourself like a real man.. or at least like I did :))))
Dec 10 19:24:58 <stryngs> Read that and youll understand why it's all manual
Dec 10 19:25:04 <stryngs> Oh i am
Dec 10 19:25:17 <stryngs> Just curious if there were any naught postinst/preinst scripts to be aware of
Dec 10 19:25:23 <reinob> (that was a joke in case it was missed :)
Dec 10 19:25:34 <reinob> stryngs: yes there are
Dec 10 19:25:45 <stryngs> naughty naughty
Dec 10 19:25:49 * reinob laughs 
Dec 10 19:25:56 <stryngs> do they do anything more than replace /etc/apt/sources.list?
Dec 10 19:26:02 <stryngs> and launching ham, etc..
Dec 10 19:26:06 <reinob> beware of the python-optification crap
Dec 10 19:26:07 <stryngs> I'm talking hardcore kernel stuff
Dec 10 19:26:13 <stryngs> i hate pymaemo
Dec 10 19:26:18 <stryngs> I'd shoot the developer if i could
Dec 10 19:27:01 <reinob> me too. I had to remove something (sorry don't know anymore, can look it up still) because whenever the cssu installation started (apt-get upgrade) at some point my N900 would INSTANTLY reboot
Dec 10 19:27:08 <reinob> not joking now!
Dec 10 19:27:50 <reinob> it's some pymaemo prerm or postinst or what-fuck-ever which probably umounts /usr or something similar
Dec 10 19:28:25 <bencoh> I wonder why he didnt just optify in dpkg-buildpackage
Dec 10 19:28:58 * reinob wonders why nokia didn't put /usr in the mmc directly from the start
Dec 10 19:29:02 <stryngs> ^^^^
Dec 10 19:29:59 <bencoh> yeah right ... but that's an old one
Dec 10 19:30:20 <stryngs> honestly, we could reconfigure pymaemo, but i wonder what expects the rbind nonsense
Dec 10 19:33:32 <reinob> hmm I can't find it [the problem]. /etc/init.d/pymaemo-optify only touches what's in /etc/default/pymaemo-optify, which only relates to python.
Dec 10 19:33:54 <reinob> who volunteers to do "/etc/init.d/pymaemo-optify stop" and report back?
Dec 10 19:34:17 <reinob> hell, I'll do it myself. I just ruined my >100 days uptime when upgrading kp, so what the heck
Dec 10 19:34:51 <reinob> OK nothing happened. "can't unmount: resource or device busy"
Dec 10 19:34:58 <reinob> maemo is just too robust :)
Dec 10 19:35:07 <reinob> ^^ (joking)
Dec 10 19:36:14 <stryngs> heh
Dec 10 19:36:19 <stryngs> Here's the question
Dec 10 19:36:24 <stryngs> Just rebuild the .deb itself
Dec 10 19:36:39 <stryngs> The main thing is.... for the mounts it creates, do ANY packages that depend on it, do they rely on the new locations?
Dec 10 19:36:44 <stryngs> if not, would be a simple fix
Dec 10 19:36:57 <stryngs> dpkg -x <deb> .
Dec 10 19:36:59 <stryngs> mkdir DEBIAN
Dec 10 19:37:02 <stryngs> ar -x <deb>
Dec 10 19:37:05 <stryngs> tar zxf control
Dec 10 19:37:08 <stryngs> tar zxf control.tar.gz
Dec 10 19:37:13 <stryngs> mv control post* pre* DEBIAN
Dec 10 19:37:19 <stryngs> ......... Modify whatever ..........
Dec 10 19:37:21 <stryngs> cd ..
Dec 10 19:37:25 <stryngs> dpkg-deb -b <dir> .
Dec 10 19:37:30 <stryngs> dpkg -i yer new package
Dec 10 19:37:32 <stryngs> done deal =)
Dec 10 19:38:12 <reinob> stryngs: you're talking about manually optifying a (python, or whatever) package
Dec 10 19:38:34 <stryngs> sure
Dec 10 19:38:35 <stryngs> Simple
Dec 10 19:38:39 <reinob> the pymaemo-optification mess is something you can't uninstall. the whole system depends on this crap
Dec 10 19:38:42 <stryngs> I build .debs matively all day =)
Dec 10 19:39:01 <reinob> we don't need it, but without it the whole thing breaks
Dec 10 19:39:08 <stryngs> Not true
Dec 10 19:39:13 <stryngs> I've hacked pymaemo before
Dec 10 19:39:17 * reinob just made the mental association with systemd. don't know why
Dec 10 19:39:27 <stryngs> But, with my newest pwnphone release, I reverted because i figured out how to get around the nonsense
Dec 10 19:39:32 <stryngs> I just hate the mounts that clutter df output
Dec 10 19:39:36 <reinob> me too
Dec 10 19:39:41 <stryngs> So lets fix it
Dec 10 19:39:45 <stryngs> What all Depends: on it?
Dec 10 19:39:50 <stryngs> I'm all about hacking the n900 =)
Dec 10 19:40:01 <reinob> but without the mounts (or symlinks) to need to put the stuff somewhere else (MMC)
Dec 10 19:40:16 <stryngs> check the url i gave ya
Dec 10 19:40:21 <reinob> you'd need to optify a lot of packages (pre)installed in maemo
Dec 10 19:40:30 <stryngs> Why optify
Dec 10 19:40:31 <stryngs> I dont
Dec 10 19:40:35 <stryngs> i simply remap /usr
Dec 10 19:40:41 <stryngs>  /etc
Dec 10 19:40:42 <stryngs> etc...
Dec 10 19:41:00 <stryngs> http://termbin.com/fk5j
Dec 10 19:41:02 <stryngs> there ya go
Dec 10 19:41:10 <stryngs> /home/rootfs_bind
Dec 10 19:41:10 <reinob> just checked your link. looks ugly :)
Dec 10 19:41:16 <stryngs> Its ugly because of pymaemo
Dec 10 19:41:36 <stryngs> But i build with --prefix=/usr all day now
Dec 10 19:41:36 <reinob> yup
Dec 10 19:41:39 <stryngs> No memory issues
Dec 10 19:41:45 <stryngs> no running out of space on 256mb /
Dec 10 19:41:46 <stryngs> etc..
Dec 10 19:41:51 <stryngs> It's a wonderful way to do stuff
Dec 10 19:42:13 <rZr> chainsawbike, hi http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014#Nominated
Dec 10 19:42:16 <reinob> not bad :)
Dec 10 19:42:29 <rZr> reinob, congratz for beeing candidate
Dec 10 19:42:39 <stryngs> It just makes certain things.......... "manual"
Dec 10 19:42:47 <stryngs> i.e.. for a kernel upgrade, it requires a flash
Dec 10 19:42:49 <reinob> rZr: thanks
Dec 10 19:42:51 <rZr> chem|st, ping 
Dec 10 19:43:06 <stryngs> because /opt, /usr, /sbin, /lib are mounted upon
Dec 10 19:43:07 <rZr> reinob, may I suggest to edit your signature
Dec 10 19:43:33 <rZr> reinob, to promote this election
Dec 10 19:43:46 <rZr> reinob, election not yourself ;)
Dec 10 19:43:48 <reinob> do I have one of those?
Dec 10 19:43:59 <reinob> I mean, a signature?
Dec 10 19:44:13 <rZr> reinob, see mine at bottom http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1451484#post1451484
Dec 10 19:44:22 <rZr> 3rd link
Dec 10 19:44:27 <rZr> copy and paste
Dec 10 19:44:45 <reinob> I think I have them filtered out
Dec 10 19:45:05 <reinob> is this the "about me" here? (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=51598&tab=aboutme&simple=1)
Dec 10 19:45:28 <reinob> ah, found it :)
Dec 10 19:45:29 <rZr> no
Dec 10 19:45:35 <reinob> in control panel!
Dec 10 19:45:44 <rZr> yea
Dec 10 19:46:54 <rZr> Morpog_PC__, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1451484#post1451484 same thread
Dec 10 19:47:13 <rZr> qwazix, next one
Dec 10 19:47:27 <rZr> sixwheeledbeast1, da!
Dec 10 19:49:15 <reinob> rZr: signature - CHECK. Thanks for the heads up
Dec 10 19:50:43 <rZr> reinob, I dont see it maybe on next post
Dec 10 19:51:51 <stryngs> hmm
Dec 10 19:52:37 <reinob> rZr: just posted this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1451496&postcount=4
Dec 10 19:52:46 <reinob> do you see the signature (I don't, but I never see them)
Dec 10 19:53:49 <stryngs> http://termbin.com/shvf
Dec 10 19:53:56 <stryngs> reinob: those are what requires pymaemo-optify
Dec 10 19:54:21 <stryngs> looks easy enuf
Dec 10 19:55:42 <stryngs> reinob: looking at python2.5-minimal, it doesnt seem to use anything via dpkg --contents remotely related to pymaemo-optify
Dec 10 19:55:53 <stryngs> so..... one could theorize that a fixing of pymaemo-optify could be done =)
Dec 10 19:56:00 <reinob> that's only the direct dependencies. python2.5-minimal is needed by python2.5, which is required by lots of stuff
Dec 10 19:56:14 <stryngs> right
Dec 10 19:56:24 <stryngs> but...  look at the /etc/init.d file
Dec 10 19:56:35 <reinob> yup it's really nothing
Dec 10 19:56:46 <stryngs>     for d in $BIND_MOUNTS; do
Dec 10 19:56:47 <stryngs>         # remove any temporary mount --move targets
Dec 10 19:56:47 <stryngs>         rmdir $d.move.* 2>/dev/null
Dec 10 19:56:47 <stryngs>         mkdir -p $d $OPT_DIR/$d
Dec 10 19:56:47 <stryngs>         grep -q " $d " /proc/mounts || mount --bind $OPT_DIR/$d $d
Dec 10 19:56:49 <stryngs>     done
Dec 10 19:57:01 <stryngs> it just makes "mounts"
Dec 10 19:57:05 <stryngs> so in essence, its stupid
Dec 10 19:57:05 <reinob> maybe I'm looking at the wrong place. maybe it was not the pymaemo-optify. I know that CSSU enabler depends on HAM, whcih I had uninstalled long ago
Dec 10 19:57:14 <reinob> maybe that's where the trouble comes from
Dec 10 19:57:30 <stryngs> My point i'm getting at, is that if people use a /home/rootfs_bind technique, they could negate pymaemo-optify
Dec 10 19:57:49 <stryngs> because even with pymaemo-optify, eventually u fill up /
Dec 10 19:58:07 <reinob> yes. sorry I still refer to the "original topic" of manually installing CSSU
Dec 10 19:58:08 <stryngs> it doesn't address the root memory concern of the 256mb nand chip
Dec 10 19:58:15 <stryngs> no worries =)
Dec 10 19:58:18 <stryngs> i veered off
Dec 10 19:58:22 <reinob> me too :)
Dec 10 19:58:28 <stryngs> anywho, i'm going to do some research
Dec 10 19:58:48 <stryngs> i'm going to install kp53 tonight, and chop the deb for pymaemo
Dec 10 19:58:56 <stryngs> i'll report tomorrow if my phone works right
Dec 10 19:58:59 <stryngs> I'm pretty sure it does
Dec 10 19:59:13 <reinob> are you on TMO?
Dec 10 19:59:20 <rZr> reinob, yea it's there thanks
Dec 10 19:59:39 <rZr> reinob, now you have to find someone who will do the same and so on..
Dec 10 19:59:40 <stryngs> /usr/lib/python2.5, /usr/share/pyshared, /usr/lib/pyshared, /usr/share/python-support, /usr/lib/python-support.  Those are the affected dirs
Dec 10 19:59:43 <reinob> I'm extremely new in IRC and I don't plan to use that much (unless I'm elected to the council). But I do read TMO every day
Dec 10 19:59:57 <rZr> reinob, this is your candidate test ;-)
Dec 10 20:00:05 <reinob> stryngs: I'd be happy if you posted your findings on TMO
Dec 10 20:00:07 <stryngs> So what he was trying to do, was save space for / by doing the same thing i do
Dec 10 20:00:10 <stryngs> I will
Dec 10 20:00:30 <stryngs> Hell, i'll show my whole technique, I think I have the cleanest one (cept for the flash to upgrade kernel....)
Dec 10 20:00:34 <stryngs> I love my n900
Dec 10 20:00:36 * stryngs cuddles it
Dec 10 20:00:48 <reinob> my precious..
Dec 10 20:01:17 <stryngs> rcS-late is the trick
Dec 10 20:01:17 <stryngs> modify that and it's pretty much an fstab
Dec 10 20:01:28 <rZr> reinob, ask me if you want to edit wiki too
Dec 10 20:01:57 <reinob> rZr: OK. But not today. Hopefully tomorrow or during the weekend
Dec 10 20:02:16 <rZr> reinob, sure there is no hurry
Dec 10 20:02:23 <reinob> stryngs: rcS-late and all others would be nice to hack around and clean-up
Dec 10 20:02:28 <reinob> but now I have to leave
Dec 10 20:02:32 <reinob> cheers
Dec 10 20:07:54 <merlin1991> kerio: I'll have a look at the mirror
Dec 10 20:07:57 <merlin1991> but it should sync daily
Dec 10 20:08:13 <kerio> merlin1991: well it doesn't help with packages that were added today :>
Dec 10 20:08:22 <merlin1991> ah
Dec 10 20:08:22 <merlin1991> :D
Dec 10 20:08:28 <kerio> sync it every 30 seconds at most
Dec 10 20:08:34 <kerio> (don't)
Dec 10 20:09:47 <rZr> merlin1991, would you mind if  I nomiate you for MC ?
Dec 10 20:09:57 <rZr> nominate
Dec 10 20:10:27 <merlin1991> last time around I ended up not having the time, I don't think it's such a good idea
Dec 10 20:10:39 <rZr> ok
Dec 10 20:10:43 <rZr> no problem
Dec 10 20:39:41 <stryngs> Can someone please confirm on their n900 that /sbin/vol_id is a symlink to: /lib/udev/vol_id
Dec 10 20:40:02 <stryngs> and for /lib/udev/vol_id, that it does NOT exist?
Dec 10 20:44:08 <wizbit> i am running CSSU stable, with the power kernel, if i change myDocs to ext3, do i need to edit mmc-mount?
Dec 10 20:44:21 <stryngs> wizbit: can u check this for me?
Dec 10 20:44:25 <wizbit> sure
Dec 10 20:44:34 <stryngs> i appreciate it much
Dec 10 20:44:39 <stryngs> i show it as a dead symlink
Dec 10 20:44:44 <wizbit> hold on
Dec 10 20:44:51 <stryngs> and if u change MyDocs you screw up the camera, fyi
Dec 10 20:44:58 <Morpog_PC__> rZr, I am honoured that I got nominated, but I need to decline, as I got too less time for such a important job. I don't even have enough time to contribute to nemomobile and glacier as much as I would like to :(
Dec 10 20:45:03 <wizbit> ls: /sbin/vol_id: No such file or directory
Dec 10 20:45:08 * stryngs cheers
Dec 10 20:45:19 <stryngs> how about /lib/udev/vol_id
Dec 10 20:45:22 <stryngs> does that exist
Dec 10 20:45:33 <wizbit> ls: /lib/udev/vol_id: No such file or directory
Dec 10 20:45:34 <wizbit> Nokia-N900:~# 
Dec 10 20:45:43 <stryngs> wtf do i have the dead symlink
Dec 10 20:45:49 <stryngs> anyone know how to find all dead symlinks?
Dec 10 20:46:09 <wizbit> im sure there is a way using find, try google
Dec 10 20:51:40 <merlin1991> stryngs: you could check which package it came from with 'dpkg-query -S /sbin/vol_id'
Dec 10 20:51:50 <rZr> Morpog_PC__, ok I update this on wiki 
Dec 10 20:52:01 <rZr> Morpog_PC__, feel free to change
Dec 10 20:53:05 <stryngs> merlin1991: ^^
Dec 10 20:53:34 <stryngs> heh, udev
Dec 10 20:53:59 <stryngs> merlin1991: I should have thought about that
Dec 10 20:54:06 <stryngs> Reason i asked is because I'm going to "fix" pymaemo
Dec 10 20:54:16 <stryngs> and "un*#*#" the optification nonsense
Dec 10 20:55:02 <stryngs> So, the question is why i have a broken symlink for an essential .deb
Dec 10 20:55:14 <stryngs> 0.125-7+142.maemo1+0m5
Dec 10 20:55:17 <stryngs> anyone else have udev?
Dec 10 21:25:40 <wizbit> anybody know how to get ovi maps downloaded?
Dec 10 21:26:40 <rZr> there is a thread about that on tmo
Dec 10 21:27:43 <wizbit> tmo?
Dec 10 21:29:43 <freemangordon> ~tmo
Dec 10 21:29:43 <infobot> [tmo] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.
Dec 10 21:30:30 <wizbit> i think they are free
Dec 10 21:30:31 <wizbit> http://nokia-ovi-maps.en.softonic.com/symbian/download
Dec 10 21:30:51 <rZr> wizbit, http://wiki.maemo.org/Nokia
Dec 10 21:50:29 <wizbit> does the latest version of ovi maps work with maemo?
Dec 10 21:53:51 <rZr> chainsawbike, are you aware of http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2014#Nominated ?
Dec 10 21:53:58 <rZr> chem|st, are you too ?
Dec 10 21:55:46 <Pali> ~kernel-power
Dec 10 21:55:49 <Pali> ~kp
Dec 10 21:55:50 <infobot> [kp] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823
Dec 10 21:56:03 <Pali> ~literal kp
Dec 10 21:56:03 <infobot> "#maemo kp" is "http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823"
Dec 10 21:56:23 <Pali> infobot, no #maemo kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287
Dec 10 21:56:24 <infobot> okay, Pali
Dec 10 21:56:26 <Pali> ~kp
Dec 10 21:56:27 <infobot> hmm... kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94287
Dec 10 22:07:21 <wizbit> is modrana worth using for gps location?
Dec 10 22:29:59 <chem|st> rZr: I decline (is that enough?)
Dec 10 22:37:35 <rZr> chem|st, yea I note this
Dec 10 22:37:44 <rZr> this channel is logged is it
Dec 10 22:38:03 <rZr> and if you're a fake chem|st real one will notice it 
Dec 10 22:38:18 <chem|st> rZr: I am logged in...
Dec 10 22:38:25 <rZr> jk
Dec 10 22:38:26 <M4rtinK> wizbit: sure :)
Dec 10 23:59:01 <kerio> well this is annoying
Dec 10 23:59:08 <kerio> i barely got xchat to connect via ssl
Dec 10 23:59:15 <kerio> now i can't make my client cert work
Dec 11 00:28:39 <kerio> does anyone use xchat with a client cert?
Dec 11 01:00:30 <stryngs> reinob: Getting rdy to test a build without pymaemo nonsense =
Dec 11 01:00:32 <stryngs> )
Dec 11 01:00:50 <stryngs> I've documented file locations and whatnot.  Should be "interesting"
Dec 11 01:02:24 <Win7Mac> chem|st, no, that's not enough! There's a tmo-thread for that... :p
Dec 11 01:12:45 <chem|st> Win7Mac: you should be slapped for even considering to write my name in that email!
Dec 11 01:15:29 <Win7Mac2> Why? I'm serious!
Dec 11 01:15:41 <chem|st> I am too!
Dec 11 01:15:50 <Win7Mac2> lol
Dec 11 01:16:16 <M4rtinK> good night everyone! :)
Dec 11 01:16:29 <Win7Mac2> but please--- it's all happening in the tmo-thread...
Dec 11 01:16:51 <Win7Mac2> so decline there please
Dec 11 01:17:08 <Win7Mac2> ...other good things going on there
Dec 11 01:20:28 <chem|st> Win7Mac2: did s/o renew maemo(TM)?
Dec 11 01:22:13 <Win7Mac2> not that you shouldn't be aware of, what exactly?
Dec 11 01:22:26 <stryngs> New kernel-power-53 seems.....................
Dec 11 01:22:28 <stryngs> STABLE
Dec 11 01:23:09 <chem|st> \o/
Dec 11 01:23:13 <chem|st> bb
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