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Jan 05 03:42:18 <Steven__> The clock battery is so that the phone keeps proper time when not otherwised powered. If you set it up to get time through the modem though, it will always seem to have the correct time (though it is actually just fixing it before you get a chance to see it).
Jan 05 03:42:38 <Steven__> It is the same in deskops and laptops.
Jan 05 03:44:25 <Steven__> It is not a major problem, I guess, though it is often not a good idea to trust random time sources if you want actual security.
Jan 05 06:12:34 <uhhimhere> where can i get stock android rom md5s?
Jan 05 06:15:05 <b1101> uhhimhere: ?
Jan 05 06:15:34 <uhhimhere> i now this isnt an android forum
Jan 05 06:15:46 <uhhimhere> but i figure everybody these days has meddled with the droid
Jan 05 06:16:11 <uhhimhere> plus my end goal is to get something like maemo running on my device
Jan 05 06:16:23 <uhhimhere> i just need to verify that my backup procedure is working
Jan 05 06:17:45 <b1101> your backup procedure?
Jan 05 06:18:19 <b1101> android is very different from maemo. What device? and md5 of the backup is created whenever you create a backup, and I'm assuming you're doing this through the recovery?
Jan 05 15:14:00 <b1101> the fact that there are still things ported to n900 puts a huge smile on my face :D
Jan 05 15:15:05 <b1101> fuck I love this phone/computer/the most awesome piece of technology I own imo
Jan 05 15:22:10 <bencoh> :-)
Jan 05 15:32:18 <sec> Aptitude is broken :< Ouch!  Got SIGSEGV, dying..
Jan 05 15:32:22 <sec> Segfaults everytime
Jan 05 16:29:15 <teotwaki> Happy new year, all
Jan 05 16:29:34 <teotwaki> sec: have you tried coredumping and debugging it?
Jan 05 16:33:47 <kerio> curses problem i believe
Jan 05 16:33:54 <kerio> it doesn't sigsegv if you give it commands
Jan 05 16:54:09 <sec> teotwaki: I was looking into it then. It worked fine when compiled without optimization flags. I can't recall what flags right now.
Jan 05 16:54:32 <teotwaki> idc about flags, show me a stacktrace and jump from frame to frame
Jan 05 17:02:59 <bencoh> does anyone know if memcpy() in our libc uses neon optim ?
Jan 05 17:04:13 <bencoh> I guess http://hardwarebug.org/files/neon-memcpy.patch has been included but I'm not sure
Jan 05 17:08:53 <bencoh> hmm looks like it's patched with siamashka's neon code, according to the libc source from maemo sdk
Jan 05 17:18:19 <uhhimhere> so why not have a MIPS based N900 successor
Jan 05 17:19:10 <Humpelstilzchen> why do you prefer Mips?
Jan 05 17:19:26 <uhhimhere> http://tinyurl.com/mm6uowu
Jan 05 17:19:35 <uhhimhere> lol
Jan 05 17:19:52 <uhhimhere> i guess because its made en masse by the chinese
Jan 05 17:19:54 <uhhimhere> so its cheap?
Jan 05 17:20:48 <uhhimhere> obviously youd loose all the NEON optimizations
Jan 05 17:20:56 <Humpelstilzchen> I don't think that "cheap" is a good option
Jan 05 17:21:21 <uhhimhere> but with dual cores you could replicate the NEON w/ the csecond core?
Jan 05 17:21:43 <bencoh> and eat all the battery you've saved with mips ? meh :)
Jan 05 17:21:53 <Humpelstilzchen> uhhimhere: for what power cost? And what about the h264 decoder?
Jan 05 17:22:35 <bencoh> (h264 isnt decoded with neon in maemo - but still)
Jan 05 17:22:48 <uhhimhere> yeah i know
Jan 05 17:23:03 <Humpelstilzchen> bencoh: not in neon, but the omap has a dedicated video cpu
Jan 05 17:23:29 <uhhimhere> you mean a vpu
Jan 05 17:24:14 <uhhimhere> http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/01/05/ingenic-jz4780-soc-features-a-dual-core-mips-cpu-and-powervr-sgx540-gpu/
Jan 05 17:24:33 <bencoh> Humpelstilzchen: actually it's done by the dsp :)
Jan 05 17:24:38 <bencoh> afaik
Jan 05 17:25:50 <Humpelstilzchen> bencoh: on n900 yes, neo900s cpu has an IVA
Jan 05 17:26:13 <Humpelstilzchen> and yes also a DSP
Jan 05 17:26:24 <Humpelstilzchen> just not sure how good the DSP is
Jan 05 17:27:17 <bencoh> it's a c64x+ as well
Jan 05 17:27:30 <bencoh> prolly a bit faster
Jan 05 17:28:50 <Humpelstilzchen> also imho MIPS lack some good documentation, but not sure on this one. Havn't really used them
Jan 05 17:29:44 <uhhimhere> yeah i couldnt find algorithmic descriptions of opcodes
Jan 05 17:33:27 <uhhimhere> http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available
Jan 05 17:33:40 <uhhimhere> http://elinux.org/MIPS_Creator_CI20
Jan 05 17:36:51 <uhhimhere> Humpelstilzchen: they seem to be used alot on networking hw
Jan 05 17:36:54 <uhhimhere> 64 bit stuff i think
Jan 05 17:37:37 <Humpelstilzchen> there is a high chance your home router has mips..
Jan 05 17:39:11 <uhhimhere> i guess theyre useful for moving large chunks of data around
Jan 05 17:39:39 <uhhimhere> economicak
Jan 05 17:39:51 <Humpelstilzchen> or its because they are cheap ;)
Jan 05 17:42:20 <bencoh> it's because your regular DSL home router doesnt need to do anything in cpu, it basically switches packets (done in hw by a dedicated switch) and routes a few packets (10~100mbps for most home devoces)
Jan 05 17:42:24 <bencoh> devices*
Jan 05 17:42:54 <uhhimhere> for doing nothing it sure heats up 
Jan 05 17:43:05 <uhhimhere> alot
Jan 05 17:43:14 <Humpelstilzchen> bencoh: firewall?
Jan 05 17:43:35 <Humpelstilzchen> the heat comes from the NSA trojan
Jan 05 17:43:40 <uhhimhere> lol
Jan 05 17:43:51 <Humpelstilzchen> you laugh...
Jan 05 17:44:03 <bencoh> recent high-end mips-based routers include "advanced" features and they have to route at higher throughput so they're getting more powerful, but ...
Jan 05 17:45:20 <bencoh> Humpelstilzchen: firewalling on cheap routers is a pain :)
Jan 05 17:45:21 <bencoh> (even though it's getting better :)
Jan 05 17:45:48 <Humpelstilzchen> still everyone seems to do it
Jan 05 17:45:59 <bencoh> you said it, because it's cheap ;)
Jan 05 17:47:29 <sec> teotwaki: Can't right now
Jan 05 17:47:30 <bencoh> cheaper than arm, and they eventually went for bigger mips when time came (vdsl or "very-high bitrate" cable for instance)
Jan 05 17:48:15 <bencoh> (they == ISP)
Jan 05 17:53:56 <uhhimhere> so neo900 should be MIPS based 
Jan 05 17:54:07 <uhhimhere> if not for cost reasons alone
Jan 05 17:54:13 <uhhimhere> :D
Jan 05 17:54:20 <bencoh> >_>
Jan 05 17:54:54 * Humpelstilzchen wants FPGA based
Jan 05 17:55:23 * bencoh too, but he doesnt want to carry a car battery around
Jan 05 17:56:20 <uhhimhere> howbout coldfusion powered 
Jan 05 17:57:08 <Humpelstilzchen> not sure if i'd like to have the first generation of these in my pocket...
Jan 05 17:57:55 <bencoh> cant be worse than lipo, can it ,
Jan 05 17:57:56 <bencoh> ?
Jan 05 17:58:26 <Humpelstilzchen> but so far most people seem to survive it.
Jan 05 17:58:38 <Humpelstilzchen> just havn't found out why given what a lipo can do
Jan 05 17:58:46 <bencoh> :))
Jan 05 21:26:09 <Guest37330> hello everybody, does anyone have any experience with the n900 built-in web browser and TiddlyWiki files?
Jan 05 21:32:08 <Guest37330> also, is it even conceivable to think of ubuntu touch for usage on the n900? What do you suggest for a long term use of this beautiful mobile phone?
Jan 05 21:33:52 <Guest37330> maemo is great anyway and I currently wouldn't need anything else but this operative system. I'm so satisfied that I'm thinking of the future of my current device, not else.
Jan 05 21:35:22 <Guest37330> I stepped into neo900, any insights or opinion from you experts?
Jan 05 21:36:33 <bencoh> I think you'd need to fix/merge ofono from nemomobile into ubuntuphone to make it work on n900
Jan 05 21:37:12 <bencoh> afaik ubuntu uses ofono with its rilmodem backend to work on top of an android RIL
Jan 05 21:38:43 <Guest37330> Thank you, it sounds a bit out of my reach but I will write it down and look into it for sure
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