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Feb 13 03:20:26 <Oksana> rootfs is 93% full and home filsystem is 97% full. How do I clean it up?..
Feb 13 03:43:46 <erlehmann> Oksana rm?
Feb 13 04:49:07 <Oksana> I would need to figure out exactly what filled up my filesystem, first :-)
Feb 13 07:46:56 <KotCzarny> oksana: find the space hog, then we can deduce culprit
Feb 13 08:04:32 <KotCzarny> so, anyone here has written pygtk apps?
Feb 13 09:05:23 <bencoh> KotCzarny: there are quite a few pygtk in extras iirc
Feb 13 09:05:50 <KotCzarny> bencoh: right, but being a newbie in pygtk i have to start from something simple
Feb 13 09:05:55 <KotCzarny> right now im doing the tutorial
Feb 13 09:37:59 <KotCzarny> is there a function in pygtk that converts pixels to cm? or can i get dpi somehow?
Feb 13 19:08:23 <kaari> Hi, have been trying to get oscp musicplayer to work on n900, but have issues. Anyone here use it+
Feb 13 19:08:26 <kaari> ?
Feb 13 19:08:36 <KotCzarny> i do
Feb 13 19:08:45 <kaari> oh, you do :)
Feb 13 19:08:55 <KotCzarny> im just finishing network interface and pygtk remote
Feb 13 19:09:16 <KotCzarny> so first things first, what os you are trying to run it on?
Feb 13 19:09:38 <kaari> wrote on other channel osc about ite
Feb 13 19:10:02 <KotCzarny> ahm, right
Feb 13 19:10:40 <KotCzarny> grab esdcat first and check if it produces any sound
Feb 13 19:11:24 <kaari> done it
Feb 13 19:11:43 <kaari> didnt, im the guy from  thursday morning
Feb 13 19:12:15 <KotCzarny> ok, now, lets stick to n900, what os are you using, stock maemo or some linux?
Feb 13 19:12:58 <kaari> its stock with thumb2. dont think that matters.
Feb 13 19:13:45 <kaari> kernel is powerkernel from testing?
Feb 13 19:14:54 <kaari> esdcompat and esdcat says the warning about not sound available
Feb 13 19:15:21 <KotCzarny> i wonder if thumb2 build hit some bugs in esdcompat
Feb 13 19:17:03 <KotCzarny> another thing would be something blocking esdcompat from accessing audio device
Feb 13 19:17:54 <KotCzarny> also, try removing /tmp/.esd* dirs then rerunning esdcompat and esdcat
Feb 13 19:17:56 <kaari> that maybe the case, but still im wondering why both n900 and cpu have same problem. And i know that peopla have get it working. So is it so simply to only unzip it, and its working?
Feb 13 19:18:20 <kaari> i will try that
Feb 13 19:18:22 <KotCzarny> yes, its standalone binary
Feb 13 19:18:55 <KotCzarny> no point in trying oscp until esdcat works
Feb 13 19:19:32 <KotCzarny> (or until i add pulseaudio output)
Feb 13 19:22:15 <kaari> think i have something with esdcompat, cause rm:d tmp files and and it does give me nothing
Feb 13 19:22:33 <KotCzarny> but you would need to hear the noise
Feb 13 19:22:41 <KotCzarny> 10-30kb file would suffice
Feb 13 19:24:04 <Tekk_> Anyone know what the infrared api is like? Just the standard linux stuff or does maemo have its own?
Feb 13 19:24:10 * Tekk_ is considering turning his phone into a tv remote
Feb 13 19:24:22 <KotCzarny> tekk_: one word: 'pierogi'
Feb 13 19:24:26 <KotCzarny> install it, done!
Feb 13 19:24:51 * Tekk_ searches in ham
Feb 13 19:24:53 <kaari> im using it, best for audio and tv sets
Feb 13 19:25:27 <KotCzarny> also, if you cant find your remote, just generate file with lircd on laptop that has IR and send to author
Feb 13 19:25:45 <Tekk_> nah I know where the remote is now
Feb 13 19:25:48 <Tekk_> looking at it actually
Feb 13 19:26:31 <kaari> heh, lost one and broke one. one of the best n900 programs
Feb 13 19:29:41 <Tekk_> huh
Feb 13 19:29:45 <Tekk_> okay
Feb 13 19:29:58 <Tekk_> it's not in the db
Feb 13 19:30:06 <Tekk_> and my laptop doesn't have ir :/
Feb 13 19:30:13 <KotCzarny> but detection
Feb 13 19:30:21 <KotCzarny> i think you can select it in menu
Feb 13 19:30:34 <KotCzarny> and you just watch until your tv goes off/on
Feb 13 19:30:43 <KotCzarny> autodetection actually
Feb 13 19:30:47 <Tekk_> for pierogi?
Feb 13 19:30:52 <KotCzarny> yes, its in app
Feb 13 19:30:52 <Tekk_> it doesn't have any detection it looks like
Feb 13 19:30:56 <KotCzarny> it has
Feb 13 19:31:03 <KotCzarny> let me check
Feb 13 19:35:44 <KotCzarny> yeah, its there
Feb 13 19:35:59 <KotCzarny> you click on the top bar 'pierogi remote control v'
Feb 13 19:36:09 <KotCzarny> then select 'automated keyset search'
Feb 13 19:36:34 <Tekk_> what version are you on?
Feb 13 19:36:38 <Tekk_> I don't have that on my menu
Feb 13 19:36:42 <KotCzarny> 1.1.36 or something
Feb 13 19:36:51 <Tekk_> 1.0 is what I've got
Feb 13 19:36:57 <KotCzarny> old
Feb 13 19:36:58 <Tekk_> do you have extras-devel on?
Feb 13 19:37:03 <KotCzarny> most likely
Feb 13 19:37:13 <KotCzarny> you can download just one .deb
Feb 13 19:37:20 <KotCzarny> if you dont want to enable whole repo
Feb 13 19:37:23 <Tekk_> nah
Feb 13 19:37:24 <Tekk_> it's fine
Feb 13 19:39:23 <kaari> im usually all-in
Feb 13 19:39:39 <Tekk_> yeah, but having extras-devel tends to trigger some weird bug in ham for me
Feb 13 19:39:47 <Tekk_> where it just randomly decides that it doesn't have app catalogs anymore
Feb 13 19:40:05 <kaari> like now with extras testing, and thumb2 for oscp2
Feb 13 19:40:23 <Tekk_> and just slows it to a crawl in general
Feb 13 19:41:18 <kaari> and i use apt-get, you can delay ham time settings
Feb 13 19:41:31 <KotCzarny> +1 apt-get
Feb 13 19:41:35 <KotCzarny> and ssh
Feb 13 19:41:37 <kaari> or use fam
Feb 13 19:42:02 <KotCzarny> kaari: did you make esd working?
Feb 13 19:43:10 <kaari> nope, some weird shit happening. Really dont know.
Feb 13 19:43:47 <KotCzarny> btw. after removing, you need to do ln -s /tmp/.esd /tmp/.esd-`id -u`
Feb 13 19:45:27 <KotCzarny> also, upped new version of binaries and oscp-remote.py
Feb 13 19:45:52 <KotCzarny> havent checked how it looks on nit yet, on pc its not that bad
Feb 13 19:46:17 * KotCzarny closes pygtk tutorials and shrugs
Feb 13 19:46:43 <Tekk_> pygtk is nice
Feb 13 19:46:50 <Tekk_> I made a browser in it once using gtkmozembed. good times :)
Feb 13 19:47:00 <KotCzarny> i just learned it today
Feb 13 19:47:03 <KotCzarny> and python too
Feb 13 19:47:06 <kaari> i did it one time, but try it again. i think i flashing n900, so its in basic settings. and trie again. have been doing maybe too much optimizing and other shit.
Feb 13 19:47:46 <kaari> i have had problems with that thumb2
Feb 13 19:48:06 <KotCzarny> untested features == bugs
Feb 13 19:48:36 <Tekk_> features == bugs that passed testing
Feb 13 19:48:39 * Tekk_ can be clever too :D
Feb 13 19:48:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 13 19:48:51 <KotCzarny> its not a bug, its a feature?
Feb 13 19:48:56 <KotCzarny> (paraphrasing)
Feb 13 19:49:02 <Tekk_> KotCzarny: it's a quantum thing
Feb 13 19:49:04 <kaari> apple, anyone?
Feb 13 19:49:08 <Tekk_> it doesn't collapse into a bug or a feature until you notice it
Feb 13 19:49:10 <KotCzarny> mmm.. food
Feb 13 19:49:32 <kaari> yep, should eat something
Feb 13 19:49:55 <kaari> like voska
Feb 13 19:50:01 <kaari> vodka
Feb 13 19:50:09 <KotCzarny> yeah, should've ate breakfast about 12h ago
Feb 13 19:51:28 <kaari> nah, i eat one time a day, and went througt this tahey schedule, so its tomorrow, 10 pm
Feb 13 19:51:52 <kaari> im losing weight
Feb 13 19:52:25 <KotCzarny> 9pm here
Feb 13 19:52:35 <KotCzarny> whole day without food
Feb 13 19:52:39 <KotCzarny> fun
Feb 13 19:54:33 <kaari> yes, but but vodka gives you unlimited powers, for day or two. and then it worktime they feed me.
Feb 13 19:54:54 <KotCzarny> i've tried coding while intoxicated once
Feb 13 19:55:05 <KotCzarny> wont do it again
Feb 13 19:55:08 <kaari> what sis come
Feb 13 19:55:16 <kaari> lika that?
Feb 13 19:56:40 <kaari> you know i have many more problems, my gentoo cpu is acting, maybe hdd. 
Feb 13 20:00:44 <KotCzarny> i wonder if there is any oss-to-pulseaudio wrapper
Feb 13 20:01:11 <Tekk_> yes
Feb 13 20:01:15 <Tekk_> padsp
Feb 13 20:01:15 <wnd> padsp perhaps
Feb 13 20:01:24 <KotCzarny> cool
Feb 13 20:01:46 <KotCzarny> available for maemo?
Feb 13 20:05:14 <KotCzarny>  Edited: I was not entirely correct. padsp is in the pulseaudio-utils package, however libpulsedsp.so is missing :\ 
Feb 13 20:06:43 <KotCzarny> why oh why they didnt stick to oss or alsa for n900
Feb 13 20:08:25 <wnd> probably because of rerouting audio output of a running application (e.g. to bluetooth headphones) of a running application is a lot easier with pa (as much and deepyl as I hate it)
Feb 13 20:08:53 <wnd> (yet another line editing failure, delivered)
Feb 13 20:09:06 <KotCzarny> and sucking tiny thing limited cpu dry
Feb 13 20:09:09 <KotCzarny> in the process
Feb 13 20:10:42 <Tekk_> hmm
Feb 13 20:10:45 <Tekk_> it's not in extras
Feb 13 20:10:52 <Tekk_> testing maybe
Feb 13 20:11:08 <KotCzarny> or simply not compiled in
Feb 13 20:11:24 <Tekk_> I mean the upgraded pierogi :)
Feb 13 20:11:40 <KotCzarny> ahm
Feb 13 20:12:24 <KotCzarny> 1.1.41 in extras-devel
Feb 13 20:12:39 <Tekk_> huh
Feb 13 20:12:45 <Tekk_> oh
Feb 13 20:12:46 * Tekk_ is dumb
Feb 13 20:12:54 <Tekk_> checked devel, not extras-devel :)
Feb 13 20:13:59 <KotCzarny> weird thing it wasnt upgraded to extras
Feb 13 20:14:25 <KotCzarny> who runs repository.maemo.org ?
Feb 13 20:29:47 <KotCzarny> i wonder if debian armel library will work
Feb 13 20:46:23 <KotCzarny> bah, too new. undefined symbols
Feb 13 20:47:00 <KotCzarny> can anyone with maemo5 scratchbox compile pulseaudio-utils to get libpulsedsp.so ?
Feb 13 21:48:04 <KotCzarny> fricking fremantle
Feb 13 21:48:28 <KotCzarny> using system installed libao and pulse plugin returns 'input/output error'
Feb 14 01:22:20 <KotCzarny> the f*ck
Feb 14 01:22:48 <KotCzarny> same code, just included in two different file, one works, one gives pa_simple_new() failed: Internal error
Feb 14 01:24:21 <KotCzarny> i hate pulseaudio
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