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Feb 15 06:07:40 <Luke-Jr> bencoh: no, Thumb
Feb 15 09:00:27 <MonkeyofDoom> does anyone know why the battery/network indicator might go invisible?
Feb 15 09:00:44 <MonkeyofDoom> if I tap it, a solid black rectangle comes up
Feb 15 09:31:07 <MonkeyofDoom> "charging" notifications are also black rectangles instead of readable (though they fade in/out as expected)
Feb 15 09:33:47 <MonkeyofDoom> it seems likely that whatever program manages that stuff would be spitting out messages--does anyone know which program is responsible and where logs might be?
Feb 15 10:52:51 <KotCzarny> http://i.imgur.com/n0fLxLU.gif
Feb 15 10:52:57 <KotCzarny> erm, wrong window
Feb 15 11:00:55 <bencoh> still funny :)
Feb 15 11:04:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 15 16:45:19 <Wizzup> Is there some guide to running mainline linux on a n900?
Feb 15 16:45:35 <Wizzup> (Don't need maemo or a particular DE, just working kernel and fb/wifi?)
Feb 15 16:48:32 <Wizzup> I guess this helps http://elinux.org/N900
Feb 15 16:52:50 <KotCzarny> pity drivers are closed
Feb 15 16:53:15 <KotCzarny> even after devices go obsolete
Feb 15 16:53:25 <Wizzup> sorry, what?
Feb 15 16:54:01 <KotCzarny> see all those red/yellow boxes on that site?
Feb 15 16:54:48 <Wizzup> yes, and a lot of green ones too
Feb 15 16:55:05 <KotCzarny> still, some esential ones are unavailable in recent kernels
Feb 15 16:55:16 <KotCzarny> *essential
Feb 15 16:55:26 <bencoh> they're not "closed"
Feb 15 16:55:29 <bencoh> they're just not merged yet
Feb 15 16:56:14 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: such as?
Feb 15 16:56:35 <bencoh> (apart from gps which was RE-ed)
Feb 15 16:56:37 <KotCzarny> cpuidle
Feb 15 16:56:40 <KotCzarny> for example
Feb 15 16:56:57 <bencoh> and powervr, but ... that cant be helped :)
Feb 15 16:56:59 <KotCzarny> and i think camera
Feb 15 16:57:37 <KotCzarny> bencoh: i think there was opengl lib that translated calls to gles
Feb 15 16:57:45 <bencoh> hm ?
Feb 15 16:58:15 <Wizzup> The issue with powervr is not that it does opengles only
Feb 15 16:58:18 <Wizzup> but that it's closed
Feb 15 16:58:20 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90922
Feb 15 16:58:24 <Wizzup> and you mean gl-shim
Feb 15 16:58:27 <KotCzarny> yeah
Feb 15 16:59:06 <bencoh> does gl-shim actually work ?
Feb 15 16:59:10 <Wizzup> a bit
Feb 15 18:48:54 <MonkeyofDoom> my black/frozen hildon-status-menu issue seems to be related to volume_status_menu_item.so
Feb 15 19:17:27 <MonkeyofDoom> cripes
Feb 15 19:17:38 <MonkeyofDoom> it's caused by PULSE_SERVER=localhost in .profile
Feb 15 19:36:12 <bencoh> why did you have that ?
Feb 15 19:38:06 <MonkeyofDoom> from another distro
Feb 15 19:38:31 <MonkeyofDoom> still, maemo should do better than completely shitting itself when pulse can't connect
Feb 15 19:39:02 <MonkeyofDoom> falling into a busy-loop using 100% cpu and preventing other things from working is pretty weak
Feb 15 19:39:57 <bencoh> that's what you get when you implement everything as "plugins"
Feb 15 19:40:17 <bencoh> with no process isolation whatsoever
Feb 15 19:42:04 <MonkeyofDoom> process isolation doesn't prevent busy loops from killing your battery, nor from consumers handling producer failure poorly
Feb 15 19:43:36 <bencoh> true
Feb 15 20:02:29 <KotCzarny> at least after reboot it goes back to normal?
Feb 15 20:12:39 <MonkeyofDoom> KotCzarny: no, I had to fix the file
Feb 15 21:09:03 <KotCzarny> hmm
Feb 15 21:09:21 <KotCzarny> how can i check dsp usage similar to cpu usage in top?
Feb 15 21:10:16 <KotCzarny> apparently libav uses dsp for mp3/aac decoding
Feb 15 21:10:28 <KotCzarny> so my player shows almost 0% cpu usage o.o
Feb 15 21:10:32 <KotCzarny> (on n800)
Feb 15 21:10:50 <KotCzarny> and ~7% for midi play
Feb 15 21:16:38 <bencoh> I dont think you can actually report "dsp usage similar to cpu usage"
Feb 15 21:17:02 <KotCzarny> so, anything to approximate dsp usage?
Feb 15 21:18:25 <bencoh> dunno
Feb 15 21:19:44 <bencoh> oh and .... I doubt avcodec can use the OMAP dsp (?)
Feb 15 21:20:02 <KotCzarny> bencoh, decoding mp3 should show on top, right?
Feb 15 21:20:07 <KotCzarny> especially 320kbit ones
Feb 15 21:21:09 <bencoh> mp3 decoding doesnt cost that much if done properly (fixed arithmetic) and optimized carefully
Feb 15 21:21:16 <bencoh> do you have libmad btw ?
Feb 15 21:21:24 <KotCzarny> nope, told you, libav
Feb 15 21:21:40 <KotCzarny> without additional libs
Feb 15 21:21:44 <bencoh> they have a fixed-point implementation as well
Feb 15 21:22:03 <KotCzarny> i like libav because its one-to-decode-them-all
Feb 15 21:22:10 <bencoh> yeah
Feb 15 21:22:22 <bencoh> it has its uses (and drawbacks)
Feb 15 21:22:48 <KotCzarny> what drawbacks? apart from having to use --disable-asm on n800 to get it to compile at all
Feb 15 21:23:20 <bencoh> API-wise
Feb 15 21:23:37 <KotCzarny> didn't notice any
Feb 15 21:23:42 <bencoh> but it's not that bad for playback
Feb 15 21:23:52 <KotCzarny> yeah, playback only
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