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Feb 20 09:11:14 <KotCzarny> heh, hard_cortex would be better
Feb 20 09:18:26 <KotCzarny> decoding aac+ stream on n800 takes ~30%
Feb 20 09:28:19 <KotCzarny> in another news, n800+oscp works great as internet radio browser/player
Feb 20 09:30:05 * Luke-Jr ponders where his N810 ended up
Feb 20 09:30:21 <KotCzarny> mine ended up connected to stereo
Feb 20 11:52:37 <supaflu> https://twitter.com/locusf
Feb 20 11:52:43 <supaflu> thats gonna be interesting!
Feb 20 15:22:12 <Openbot> KotCzarny hi
Feb 20 15:22:52 <Openbot> doom
Feb 20 18:15:01 <KotCzarny> what is default audio system in n950?
Feb 20 18:15:18 <KotCzarny> would app compiled for n900 work in n950?
Feb 20 18:29:28 * Sicelo would assume PA as well..
Feb 20 18:30:04 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: rather test with N9 .. unless you're one of the most privileged
Feb 20 18:41:51 <KotCzarny> i don't have n9
Feb 20 18:42:00 <KotCzarny> still, the question is the same
Feb 20 18:42:59 <KotCzarny> also, would be swell if someone with n9/n950 here coulde test my app
Feb 20 18:50:11 <Sicelo> i was just indicating that N950 users a *verrrry* few
Feb 20 18:50:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 20 18:50:48 <KotCzarny> i wouldn't mind having one
Feb 20 18:51:01 <slapin> hi, all!
Feb 20 18:51:07 <KotCzarny> hi, you
Feb 20 18:51:33 <slapin> how hard would that be to port maemo5 on new kernel and on Allwinner A13 tablet?
Feb 20 18:52:09 <KotCzarny> aren't there any other linux already ported?
Feb 20 19:40:05 <merlin1991> slapin: depends on what you consider "maemo5"
Feb 20 19:40:21 <merlin1991> if you're just after the hildon ui, then it has been already done in a way
Feb 20 20:31:29 <slapin> merlin1991: I'd like to have some apps, too
Feb 20 21:12:24 <merlin1991> slapin: well if you have the hildon framework and ie an obs setup it should be trivial to make source to app builds for the maemo extras repo....
Feb 20 21:13:56 <slapin> merlin1991: is there some closed components it depend on much? is compositor open yet?
Feb 20 22:07:21 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~fptf
Feb 20 22:07:22 <infobot> it has been said that fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
Feb 20 22:21:16 <erlehmann> porting task force!
Feb 20 22:31:24 <erlehmann> Mika Niinistö wrote me
Feb 20 22:31:37 <erlehmann> > I do remember that MUI did check for ”pending messages” in the beginning, fetched them, informed telepathy they have been ”seen” and then continued on listening to incoming messages. I think messages marked as ”scrollback” might’ve had some special meaning, and there’s some magic in trying to avoid duplicate messages. If the sending resource (handle of the sender) of the message was not available on the telepathy backend, I think the
Feb 20 22:31:37 <erlehmann>  message might’ve been ignored completely. But I’m not sure.
Feb 20 22:39:09 <erlehmann> merlin1991 Pali would you recompile telepathy with the „ignore messages coming directly from rooms“ part deleted?
Feb 20 22:39:54 <Pali> if you provide patch I can try to play with it
Feb 20 22:42:07 <erlehmann> Pali okay
Feb 20 22:42:09 <erlehmann> wait
Feb 20 22:44:29 <erlehmann> Pali i have patch here
Feb 20 22:46:45 <erlehmann> Pali http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/telepathy-gabble-unignore-muc-messages.patch
Feb 20 22:47:06 <erlehmann> Pali can you apply patch?
Feb 20 22:47:08 <erlehmann> deleted code is debugged code
Feb 20 22:47:30 <erlehmann> i will look for more code that should be deleted
Feb 20 22:47:40 <Pali> what your patch is doing?
Feb 20 22:48:00 <Pali> can you provide more description (there is only "Unignore MUC messages")
Feb 20 22:48:41 <erlehmann> the comment describes what the code is doing. it is ignoring messages deliberately that come from MUC.
Feb 20 22:48:41 <erlehmann> so i removed that antifeature
Feb 20 22:49:00 <Pali> why it is needed?
Feb 20 22:49:06 <kong> when i connect to n900 using ssh the connection will freeze after a few minutes, is it possible to prevent?
Feb 20 22:49:23 <erlehmann> Pali so telepathy does not filter useful messages
Feb 20 22:49:37 <Pali> what are those messages?
Feb 20 22:49:47 <erlehmann> let me debug!
Feb 20 22:49:47 <erlehmann> wait i collect some
Feb 20 22:50:08 <Pali> I still do not know what it is doing and why it is needed...
Feb 20 22:50:29 <Pali> and why we should include it
Feb 20 22:50:42 <erlehmann> Pali messages coming directly from the groupchat are filtered
Feb 20 22:50:53 <erlehmann> like if a message comes from maemo@conference.ccc.de
Feb 20 22:50:57 <erlehmann> it is not relayed by telepathy
Feb 20 22:51:14 <Pali> they are normal chat messages?
Feb 20 22:51:23 <erlehmann> this means for example you do not see topic messages!
Feb 20 22:51:43 <erlehmann> they are <message … type='groupchat'>
Feb 20 22:51:52 <erlehmann> only they come directly from the room
Feb 20 22:51:58 <erlehmann> and not from the occupants of the room
Feb 20 22:52:06 <erlehmann> that means that on n900 i cannot see room topic
Feb 20 22:52:20 <erlehmann> with my patch it will be possible!
Feb 20 22:53:06 <Pali> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#message
Feb 20 22:53:10 <Pali> do you mean this ^^^
Feb 20 22:53:15 <Pali> "7.4 Sending a Message to All Occupants"
Feb 20 22:53:16 <Pali> ?
Feb 20 22:55:54 <erlehmann> Pali no
Feb 20 22:56:02 <erlehmann> Pali i mean messages FROM coven@chat.shakespeare.lit
Feb 20 22:56:02 <erlehmann> not TO it
Feb 20 22:57:04 <erlehmann> let me give you an example XML stanza
Feb 20 22:57:08 <erlehmann> i am generating it now
Feb 20 22:57:24 <Pali> ok
Feb 20 22:58:35 <erlehmann> <message from='devel@conference.pidgin.im' to='erlehmann@jabber.ccc.de/Gajim' type='groupchat'>
Feb 20 22:58:36 <erlehmann> <body>Dieser Raum ist nicht anonym</body>
Feb 20 22:58:36 <erlehmann> <x xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#user'>
Feb 20 22:58:36 <erlehmann> <status code='100'/>
Feb 20 22:58:36 <erlehmann> </x>
Feb 20 22:58:36 <erlehmann> </message>
Feb 20 22:58:47 <erlehmann> Pali this comes if you go to devel@conference.pidgin.im
Feb 20 22:58:51 <erlehmann> it is mentioned in the source code
Feb 20 22:59:02 <Pali> I found this: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#subject-mod
Feb 20 22:59:07 <Pali> 8.1 Modifying the Room Subject
Feb 20 22:59:42 <erlehmann> my jabber client warns me then that everyone can see my JID
Feb 20 22:59:49 <erlehmann> but telepathy clients could never do that
Feb 20 22:59:53 <erlehmann> because the message is filtered
Feb 20 23:00:47 <Pali> so without your patch all messages with type "groupchat" are dropped?
Feb 20 23:00:54 <erlehmann> no
Feb 20 23:01:03 <erlehmann> all messages from the room itself are dropped.
Feb 20 23:01:13 <erlehmann> but messages from occupants are not
Feb 20 23:01:26 <erlehmann> so when you join the room devel@conference.pidgin.im with a telepathy client
Feb 20 23:01:37 <erlehmann> you do not see „Dieser Raum ist nicht anonym“
Feb 20 23:01:45 <erlehmann> because it comes from devel@conference.pidgin.im
Feb 20 23:01:49 <erlehmann> and not from devel@conference.pidgin.im/username
Feb 20 23:02:32 <Pali> right, now I think I understand it (its 00:02 here)
Feb 20 23:02:48 <Pali> I should go sleep...
Feb 20 23:03:00 <erlehmann> <message from='devel@conference.pidgin.im' to='erlehmann@jabber.ccc.de/Gajim' type='groupchat'>
Feb 20 23:03:01 <erlehmann> <subject>Pidgin, Finch, and libpurple development headquarters</subject>
Feb 20 23:03:01 <erlehmann> <body>rekkanoryo hat das Thema geändert auf: Pidgin, Finch, and libpurple development headquarters</body>
Feb 20 23:03:01 <erlehmann> </message>
Feb 20 23:03:01 <erlehmann> <r xmlns='urn:xmpp:sm:2'/>
Feb 20 23:03:07 <erlehmann> that is the thing you cannot see on n900
Feb 20 23:03:12 <erlehmann> Pali so will you merge it?
Feb 20 23:03:27 <Pali> first I would like to know, why telepathy had disabled those messages?
Feb 20 23:04:52 <Pali> ok, git commit d4d5a2f9 added that code
Feb 20 23:05:03 <erlehmann> i think telepathy devs consider those messages useless
Feb 20 23:05:14 <Pali> MUC: ignore non-error, non-echos from the MUC
Feb 20 23:05:14 <Pali> (It's not clear that they ever contain useful information, and we previously suppressed them.)
Feb 20 23:05:16 <erlehmann> but they are sent for a reason (e.g. so that everyone notices topic change)
Feb 20 23:05:20 <Pali> commit message ^^^
Feb 20 23:05:34 <erlehmann> cargo culting
Feb 20 23:05:34 <erlehmann> lel
Feb 20 23:05:47 <Pali> do you know if this patch is still present in upstream telepathy-gabble?
Feb 20 23:05:47 <erlehmann> commit d4d5a2f99eb5e1a2471662c09ff04aee865dde36
Feb 20 23:05:49 <erlehmann> Author: Will Thompson <will.thompson@collabora.co.uk>
Feb 20 23:05:49 <erlehmann> Date:   Wed Nov 12 11:31:15 2008 +0000
Feb 20 23:05:49 <erlehmann> i see
Feb 20 23:05:54 <erlehmann> let me see
Feb 20 23:06:27 <Pali> if that patch was reverted, I have no problem to revert it for maemo immediatelly
Feb 20 23:06:51 <erlehmann> let me see
Feb 20 23:07:58 <erlehmann> Pali if it was not reverted?
Feb 20 23:08:31 <erlehmann> i browse tree
Feb 20 23:08:49 <Pali> I would really like to know reason why it was added (probably it fixes some bug?) and if there are potential regressions with reverting it
Feb 20 23:10:52 <Pali> ok, looks like that code is still in telepathy-gabble git...
Feb 20 23:11:38 <Pali> erlehmann: I can revert that commit and push new version of telepathy-gabble to cssu-devel
Feb 20 23:12:07 <Pali> but it needs more people to test that reverting that patch does not cause problems with other jabber parts...
Feb 20 23:19:32 <Pali> erlehmann: Its in git: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble/commit/f5d37a5ddf21d0053b369bf59f5edebfe1c91ceb/diffs/08c7a9dae2fb55d67fc01ba90f1f3889393ef400
Feb 20 23:19:47 <erlehmann> great
Feb 20 23:19:49 <erlehmann> deleted code is debugged code
Feb 20 23:19:53 <Pali> please ping me back next day and I will upload new version to cssu-devel
Feb 20 23:20:03 <erlehmann> i will try to remember it
Feb 20 23:20:10 <Pali> now I'm going offline
Feb 20 23:20:29 <Pali> (or you can ping anybody with upload rights to cssu-devel repo)
Feb 20 23:20:33 <erlehmann> i will delete more useless code!
Feb 20 23:20:36 <erlehmann> thank you
Feb 20 23:20:40 <erlehmann> who is that
Feb 20 23:20:42 <erlehmann> merlin1991 is it?
Feb 20 23:22:00 <Pali> merlin1991 and also freemangordon
Feb 20 23:22:45 <erlehmann> okay
Feb 20 23:22:48 <erlehmann> thank you
Feb 21 00:19:29 <erlehmann> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89253
Feb 21 00:19:31 <povbot> 04Bug 89253: was not found.
Feb 21 00:38:42 <kong> is there a way on nokia n900 to view youtube or facebook video? nothing good found on google
Feb 21 00:41:20 <dos1> kong: there's cutetube for youtube
Feb 21 00:42:01 <kong> not working for me! if i try to view video on cutetube it shows up "related videos" but never the video
Feb 21 00:42:47 <dos1> hmm, I did have problems with it recently as well
Feb 21 00:43:04 <dos1> I guess something on youtube side changed and it needs newer version of youtube-dl
Feb 21 00:44:14 <kong> I also thought
Feb 21 00:44:29 <kong> would be cool to view in browser, but slow
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