**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 14 02:59:59 2015 Mar 14 05:40:06 newbieAlert: maybe pulseaudio has such feature Mar 14 05:40:27 alsa can only tell if it has any playback/record streams CONNECTED Mar 14 05:42:13 but on n900 alsa driver has no internal mixer, ie. only one stream can be connected at a time Mar 14 05:42:27 though alsa can add software mixer Mar 14 05:44:16 afaik no drivers have internal mixers, only hardware and dmix (which ALSA sets up by default) Mar 14 05:44:25 luke: not true Mar 14 05:45:13 well, by internal mixer i meant hardware mixer Mar 14 05:45:20 http://www.beastwithin.org/blogs/wolfheadofselfrepair/2013/07/pulseaudio-insidious-linux-malware Mar 14 05:45:28 :) Mar 14 06:58:14 KotCzarny, whatbout oss Mar 14 06:59:28 i'm talking about n900 Mar 14 06:59:50 on linux i don't have pulseaudio Mar 14 07:12:52 KotCzarny, pulseaudio == oss? Mar 14 07:17:19 no Mar 14 07:17:29 pulseaudio == abomination Mar 14 09:53:28 pulse sadly should be burned... only clean alsa when possible... Mar 14 09:57:04 oss works fine Mar 14 09:57:10 dont know about pulse Mar 14 10:02:20 oss on n900? Mar 14 10:08:59 yeah Mar 14 10:09:06 in my dreams Mar 14 10:09:06 stock fremantle? Mar 14 10:09:11 if i had some Mar 14 10:09:15 so no it doesnt Mar 14 10:09:17 :P Mar 14 10:09:24 but i dont see why it couldnt Mar 14 10:09:34 oss unlike alsa was made to be cross platform Mar 14 10:09:36 i think you can get it to work by installing pcm-snd-pcm module Mar 14 10:09:53 alsa has oss compatibility mode, but you need to load modules Mar 14 10:10:08 or rebuild the kernel with oss? Mar 14 10:10:18 not going to happen Mar 14 10:10:23 no oss driver for n900 Mar 14 10:10:23 why not Mar 14 10:10:27 only alsa emu Mar 14 10:10:51 so i was over at #bitcoin and i learned that youd be better off with potatocoins Mar 14 10:12:19 can you mine on smarthones Mar 14 10:21:12 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/building_own_kernel-oss_emulation/ Mar 14 10:22:25 but if you listen alsa/oss directly on device speakers you can destroy them, so it's only useful when using headphones/connect to stereo Mar 14 10:24:17 how can they get destroyed? Mar 14 10:24:38 pulseaudio filtersout low freqs Mar 14 10:24:56 otherwise device speakers get owned Mar 14 10:25:42 KotCzarny, well its not the frequency that blows speakers its the amplitude Mar 14 10:26:30 i've read it's the low freqs Mar 14 10:26:44 how so Mar 14 10:30:11 from what i understand its the dynamic range of the speaker that gets exceeded by the amplitude being fed into it thereby causing the magnet to blow the diaphragm Mar 14 10:30:35 that was a very convoluted way of saying the magnet pushes the paper too far Mar 14 10:30:54 * Vegeshite_Mite has been spending way too much time in ##c Mar 14 10:30:58 but it's most pronounced with lowest freqs Mar 14 10:32:40 dunno Mar 14 10:33:41 think about it, when you punch someone, what is worse, short blows or long blow Mar 14 10:34:04 depends on whos doing the punching Mar 14 10:34:12 same amplitude Mar 14 10:34:14 :P Mar 14 10:34:49 could be ... maybe the speakers arent sensitive enough to fully reach peak amplitude on high freqs so low freq actually allow the mechanics of the speaker to deliver full energy Mar 14 10:35:04 it's not sensitivity, told you Mar 14 10:35:17 that could be the quwstiion wh producer used so weak speakers... Mar 14 10:35:24 it's just that low freqs moving more energy Mar 14 10:35:38 KotCzarny, maybe its just that n900's suck Mar 14 10:35:38 *move Mar 14 10:35:43 nope Mar 14 10:35:44 KotCzarny, XD Mar 14 10:35:46 n900 is fine Mar 14 10:35:59 it's just design fail Mar 14 10:36:02 nah i definitely felt a vacuum once as i walked past a n900 Mar 14 10:36:09 my left ear popped Mar 14 10:36:14 or to strong amp... Mar 14 10:36:25 drathir, english? Mar 14 10:36:27 drathir: same thing, design fail Mar 14 10:36:46 ahh amplitude Mar 14 10:37:25 so whats this 3d audio stuff Mar 14 10:37:53 all audio is 3d Mar 14 10:38:12 no it isnt Mar 14 10:38:19 it's basic physics Mar 14 10:38:21 it is Mar 14 10:38:44 theyre 2d signals broadcasted in a 3d environment Mar 14 10:38:51 sorry Mar 14 10:38:55 the only way to audio be 2d you would have to wire n900 directly to your ear neurons Mar 14 10:39:01 yeah Mar 14 10:40:50 KotCzarny, so how much is the new n900 gonna cost Mar 14 10:40:54 whats the current estimate Mar 14 10:41:05 1200 euros? Mar 14 10:41:35 even old cards have 3d sound... Mar 14 10:41:55 yeah Mar 14 10:42:07 i have 3d sound coming out of my tv right now Mar 14 10:42:15 2 speakers is enough to produce/simulate 3d sound Mar 14 10:42:27 all audio is 3d Mar 14 10:43:47 the n900 have stereo speakers with good sample and room enviroment also possible make a effect similar to bee flying around the head i guess... Mar 14 10:44:41 youre head's full of bees Mar 14 10:44:48 buzz buzz buzz buzz Mar 14 10:45:21 Vegeshite_Mite: but ofc dont You should suspect dolby sorraround sound and effects from n900;p Mar 14 10:45:49 sorry my n900 is THX certified Mar 14 10:46:25 thx sound starting in background... Mar 14 10:46:41 don't break anything Mar 14 10:50:14 did you know that the guy filming twister had so many bright lights to produce an effect of darkness that cast and crew actually got sunburned Mar 14 10:50:59 * drathir like twister... Mar 14 10:51:06 'likes' Mar 14 10:51:11 now all you do is stand in front of a blu screen Mar 14 10:51:51 * drathir like old good green screen... Mar 14 10:51:57 'likes' Mar 14 10:52:10 in third person you have to add 's' to verbs Mar 14 10:53:10 the ending of twister's a little bit unbelievable though Mar 14 10:53:14 cool Mar 14 10:53:18 but still Mar 14 10:53:26 with all that debris flying around Mar 14 10:53:42 they still come out not looking like swiss chees?e Mar 14 10:54:07 heros dont become swiss cheese Mar 14 10:54:15 heroes Mar 14 10:54:26 yes they do Mar 14 10:54:38 spongebob squarepants Mar 14 10:55:25 he still lives Mar 14 10:56:09 in a house Mar 14 10:56:37 well i guess he never became swiss cheese in as much as he was born cheese Mar 14 10:56:42 so that dont count Mar 14 10:56:48 whatabout armageddon Mar 14 11:06:41 KotCzarny, so how much is the neo900 Mar 14 11:08:54 http://wanderingtrader.com/antarctica/best-things-to-do-in-antarctica-tourist-attractions/ Mar 14 11:10:18 there hasnt been any updates on the official website for almost 3 months Mar 14 11:49:34 KotCzarny, so the neo900 is making freedom and privacy as its main goal Mar 14 11:49:46 that's what they wrote Mar 14 11:49:51 FAP? Mar 14 11:50:05 yeah, i missed that name for my player Mar 14 11:52:39 neo900 the FAP-tastic phone Mar 14 11:54:13 cant wait to get my FAP on with the neo900 Mar 14 11:54:33 KotCzarny, so when is the expected release date Mar 14 11:54:48 this year still or what Mar 14 11:56:06 fight for your FAP rights! Mar 14 11:56:23 vege: i'm not in any way connected with neo900 Mar 14 11:56:28 ask on the board Mar 14 11:56:40 meh Mar 14 11:56:54 im not fap friendly Mar 14 11:57:23 fap or die Mar 14 11:57:27 i interfere with people's fap Mar 14 11:58:07 neo900 a fap paradigm Mar 14 11:58:54 hey hey ho ho we want our faps Mar 14 11:59:04 'wants' Mar 14 11:59:13 heh? Mar 14 11:59:17 grammar Mar 14 11:59:26 is that proper l33t grammer? Mar 14 11:59:34 wants our faps Mar 14 12:00:09 fap for life Mar 14 12:20:18 KotCzarny, is fossdem a fap gathering? Mar 14 12:45:47 could be Mar 14 12:47:52 KotCzarny, have you been to it Mar 14 12:48:14 nope, i'm individual FAPper Mar 14 12:48:47 fap is more fun when its a social prerogative Mar 14 12:49:03 more social fap is needed Mar 14 12:49:41 * uuhimhere feels the fap thing has been wrung dry so he's dropping it Mar 14 12:50:31 * uuhimhere is gonna try to catch some higs boson watching a discovery channel reality show Mar 14 14:54:09 when i try connect to whatsapp using yappari the registration frame is shown, each time i try to reregister the whatsapp servers block my connection, have i got hacked or is something else wrong? Mar 14 14:54:54 use pc Mar 14 14:54:56 you will know Mar 14 14:55:08 pc for yappari/whatsapp? Mar 14 14:55:12 or android Mar 14 14:55:15 whatever it needs Mar 14 14:56:09 what do u mean? network connection on phone is working because i can ping google servers. Mar 14 14:56:31 i mean you will know if your ip is blocked or if their service changed Mar 14 14:59:29 DerHat: yappari needs to be upgraded to catch up with latest official releases Mar 14 14:59:32 please be patient Mar 14 14:59:45 and please, notice that this is something that will keep happening from time to time Mar 14 14:59:55 there's already been quite a few notifications on the forum thread Mar 14 15:00:36 ceene thats a good message for me, thx very much :- ) Mar 14 15:00:39 an upgrade will probably released today Mar 14 16:49:19 hey I'm trying to install bluemaemo Mar 14 16:50:33 and? Mar 14 16:51:07 wait a minute i'll tell you what it says, there's a problem Mar 14 16:51:32 also: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=BlueMaemo&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emai Mar 14 16:51:42 check if your problem isn't already there Mar 14 16:51:53 thanks I will Mar 14 16:53:42 broken packages or conflicting packages Mar 14 16:54:44 check your pkg list Mar 14 16:55:09 erm. repo list Mar 14 16:59:33 for what? Mar 14 17:06:55 there is a log Mar 14 17:09:03 it lists all the dependencies that are "unmet" Mar 14 17:09:57 also I'm not sure why it'd have bluemaemo in the repo and not the dependencies it needed Mar 14 17:16:38 could someone help out please Mar 14 17:27:43 did u edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? Mar 14 17:54:29 I figured out the missing dependency Mar 14 17:54:50 but now I install bluemaemo and it doesn't show up in the "app list" Mar 14 17:55:49 I'm using cssu and power kernel. obviously Mar 14 17:58:45 ok reinstall, went to open it, nothing appeared. I assume something is supposed to? Mar 14 17:58:58 read the manual? Mar 14 17:59:29 this thing is to control an android tablet while I struggle to not have to buy an android phone Mar 14 17:59:42 https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluemaemo Mar 14 18:11:55 fishbulb: search google for bluemaemo install problem. U need to install specific version of libeet Mar 14 18:14:04 KotCzarny: ur player seems fast and efficient, but i haven't got time to test it through. I would need to learn some basic commands for, but i've been and will be busy with life for some time. Is there a list of commands in some specific file that i can read? Or even to set my own? Mar 14 18:15:30 ok that was a drama to install Mar 14 18:15:38 and what an horrific disappointment Mar 14 18:15:56 I assumed the touch area would be a mouse and the keyboard a keyboard Mar 14 18:16:52 functioning as a bluetooth hid device, but you have to use tiny onscreen controls and the stylus Mar 14 18:18:14 fishbulb: yet another problem with it, but it can be fixed too. Search for the bluemamo fixkbdfocus in google Mar 14 18:18:14 it's crap like this that edges me towards an android phone :( Mar 14 18:18:52 as if droid apps are cream of the development Mar 14 18:19:31 sometimes it might fix just by starting bluemaemo. Then press power button to bring up menu. Then tap empty spot below menu to get back to bluemaemo. If that doesn't help u need fixkbdfocus. Mar 14 18:20:44 and in my opinion problem isn't the maemo itself, but the program being under development still Mar 14 18:20:45 I'm having a look at kbdfocus Mar 14 18:21:12 it's that everyone jumped ship and this was a niche market phone to ever begin with Mar 14 18:21:23 read carefully. U don't need to install easydebian. Just two small files Mar 14 18:21:34 android is nearly EVERY phone other than "iphone" Mar 14 18:22:02 sure Mar 14 18:22:04 I can see it's appeal too, I have a rooted tablet, it's good. enough. Mar 14 18:22:06 'android' Mar 14 18:22:11 buy android Mar 14 18:22:16 then be out of the loop fast Mar 14 18:22:24 apps needing 4.x or 5.x only? Mar 14 18:22:25 maybe u r interested of reading android lollipop update and it's problems. Mar 14 18:22:36 sorry you still are on 2.3.x Mar 14 18:22:54 it's like saying 'go windows' Mar 14 18:23:11 I'm talking about this phone and bluemaemo Mar 14 18:23:29 I can see why people like android Mar 14 18:23:36 n900 is for linux knowledgeable people Mar 14 18:23:46 that know how and like to tinker with it Mar 14 18:23:57 and being ABLE to do so Mar 14 18:24:07 being forced to do so Mar 14 18:24:10 Mar 14 18:24:21 i got my n900 in 2009 Mar 14 18:24:24 still using it Mar 14 18:24:40 not going to go droid Mar 14 18:24:47 heh what do you think I'm using Mar 14 18:24:53 n900 taught me more in one year than using desktop linux ten years Mar 14 18:25:39 fishbulb: did u found the fix already? Mar 14 18:25:50 Vajb no not yet Mar 14 18:26:14 is it possible to use the mouse and keyboard at the same time? Mar 14 18:26:45 yes Mar 14 18:26:57 exactly the way u would guess Mar 14 18:27:03 but it needs that fix Mar 14 18:27:23 which was the fix Mar 14 18:27:58 bear with me few minutes and i'll find a link for u Mar 14 18:28:37 fixkbdfocus but.. I should sleep Mar 14 18:36:16 still there fishbulb? Mar 14 18:38:03 go to maemo.org and searc for introducing bluemaemo thread. Go to page 67 and post 666. Do what it says and then start bluemaemo and issue 'fixkbdfocus bluemaemo' in terminal and it should work. Mar 14 18:38:04 yeah Mar 14 18:39:04 it's been awhile since i did that, but that should do the trick. Mar 14 18:39:56 but on my other device i have cssu-thumb and there bluemaemo works without that fix Mar 14 18:41:13 thanks for your help Mar 14 18:42:34 ur welcome. That was result of one week of research :) Mar 14 19:30:31 hi :] Mar 14 19:30:37 ho Mar 14 19:31:33 what do you do with your n900 if you still have one ;p ? Mar 14 19:31:41 use Mar 14 19:31:48 also, see my oscp player Mar 14 19:32:08 my battery died so atm I'm trying to find new things to use it for once the battery comes in Mar 14 19:32:43 oscp is nice ;D Mar 14 19:32:51 have you used it? Mar 14 19:32:57 where is my feedback?! Mar 14 19:36:35 was checking it out Mar 14 19:36:41 not yet ha Mar 14 19:36:50 ok, you are excused then Mar 14 19:37:12 2 days till my new battery ;] Mar 14 19:37:22 you can install it on pc too Mar 14 19:37:34 same functionality Mar 14 19:37:58 sweet, on it and I'll obv give props Mar 14 19:38:00 ;p Mar 14 19:38:23 also, you can control pc core from n900's remote and n900's core from pc's remote Mar 14 19:38:29 just fy Mar 14 19:38:33 *fyi Mar 14 19:38:42 my 'i' is dying Mar 14 19:38:45 hrm Mar 14 19:38:46 aah Mar 14 19:39:41 k downloading tar Mar 14 19:39:48 checking it out brb :D Mar 14 19:41:30 hmm, i should update pc pkg too Mar 14 19:41:49 two days of changes Mar 14 19:41:50 :) Mar 14 19:42:10 also, grab the winamp skins package (1.2gb) from the other thread Mar 14 19:43:24 ty KotCzarny Mar 14 19:46:32 upped x86 package Mar 14 19:47:38 trying to sort it our ha http://s28.postimg.org/b03dkltzx/Screenshot_from_2015_03_14_12_45_21.png Mar 14 19:48:09 was that the right one I downloaded damn I hate being in a hurry ;/ Mar 14 19:48:31 try: oscp -l 2 Mar 14 19:49:03 not found atm Mar 14 19:49:16 oh nv, Mar 14 19:49:19 nvm works Mar 14 19:49:23 :) Mar 14 19:49:28 what was the cause? Mar 14 19:49:42 my fucky way of doing stuff Mar 14 19:49:43 ;p Mar 14 19:49:48 :) Mar 14 19:49:52 wrong dir Mar 14 19:53:16 going to switch to a different system quick and I it'll be sick Mar 14 19:53:24 :) Mar 14 19:53:35 ty ^^^ Mar 14 19:53:41 also, use oscp-remote Mar 14 19:53:48 it can spawn local core with single click Mar 14 19:53:54 kk Mar 14 19:53:56 also, core stays n the bg Mar 14 19:54:10 so unless you are console freak, use gui Mar 14 19:55:45 not a console freak ;p why I'm switching hah Mar 14 19:56:22 btw. there is even pygtk for windows, so you can run core on n900 or pc linux and control from windows Mar 14 19:57:23 I didn't know that, ty again Mar 14 19:57:45 at some point im going to compile core for windows too Mar 14 19:58:05 and maybe i make me a hackintosh vm and make one for osx Mar 14 19:58:07 who knows Mar 14 19:59:29 having hard time passing spam check2 hah to give pos feed ;/ Mar 14 19:59:42 sadly I have to re-register Mar 14 20:00:56 no worries Mar 14 20:02:05 oooh just a nimber nvm Mar 14 20:02:46 I was putting eight eight eight in words ;D Mar 14 20:02:51 :) Mar 14 20:03:19 also, remember it can play just any file, and treats zip fles as directores Mar 14 20:03:22 (rars too) Mar 14 20:04:35 5 stars man Mar 14 20:05:13 also, spread the word Mar 14 20:06:01 will do friend Mar 14 20:06:43 it can also play videos if you have mplayer installed Mar 14 20:07:06 I mostly have pen test tools Mar 14 20:07:08 so you can treat it as a frontend to it too Mar 14 20:07:08 hah Mar 14 20:07:41 ie. you can run core on pc connected to tv Mar 14 20:07:54 and control video play via remote from n900 Mar 14 20:08:25 I;m trying to use oscp-remote and I think it's the way my system is Mar 14 20:08:51 core expects to find things in /opt Mar 14 20:09:02 Oh I see] Mar 14 20:09:22 so you should unpack to / Mar 14 20:10:07 one day may make proper debian/*buntu/arch/gentoo package Mar 14 20:10:29 ;] Mar 14 20:10:51 but that would require installing each of them for testing etc.. Mar 14 20:10:55 fun Mar 14 20:12:27 can't wait to instlling on my n900 ;] Mar 14 20:12:32 :) Mar 14 20:12:48 it also works on n8x0 Mar 14 20:14:11 well, KotCzarny I'm going to disconnect. I'm lurking here from time to time would be nice to talk to you again Mar 14 20:14:16 kk Mar 14 20:14:31 ty Mar 14 20:14:32 i still have a list in todo, so should be there Mar 14 20:14:42 ah ;] Mar 14 21:51:52 is the update for yappari available? Mar 14 21:57:35 they are definitely working on it. good things come to those who (you know) Mar 14 22:05:25 did it break again ? Mar 14 23:04:37 does anybody know why i get a 403 forbidden when connecting from a hetzner server to http://talk.maemo.org? Mar 15 00:48:42 having trouble with bluemaemo Mar 15 01:05:54 I can't seem to get bluemaemo to work with the hardware keyboard Mar 15 01:06:03 all the threads I can find are several years old Mar 15 01:06:13 I'm using the latest cssu and latest power kernel Mar 15 01:43:05 the mouse works and the physical keyboard doesn't Mar 15 01:43:11 help help! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 15 02:59:59 2015