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Mar 18 07:15:52 <VegeShite_Mite> *callbacks* is the name given to a technique where a function takes in, as arguments, other functions by way of pointers allowing access to multiple functions of the same prototype (per argument). In essence it is a technique that provides a function with a method to "call-back" functions currently on the heap.
Mar 18 07:16:22 <VegeShite_Mite> whois KotCzarny>
Mar 18 07:16:27 <VegeShite_Mite> whois KotCzarny
Mar 18 07:16:34 <VegeShite_Mite> whois VegeShite_Mite 
Mar 18 07:16:37 <VegeShite_Mite> !whois VegeShite_Mite 
Mar 18 07:30:35 <KotCzarny> bleh
Mar 18 09:01:42 <Humpelstilzchen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0hx2vxxTMg anyone wants to port to maemo :D
Mar 18 10:08:40 <Melissa_> Hi guys
Mar 18 10:09:28 <drathir> hi...
Mar 18 10:10:08 <Melissa_> What is it? :p
Mar 18 10:14:54 <bencoh> morning all
Mar 18 10:21:30 <KotCzarny> yawn
Mar 18 10:29:38 <TruthCanUdigIt> sigh...
Mar 18 11:04:44 <drathir> Melissa_: what is what ?
Mar 18 11:06:08 <Melissa_> The "hi" followed by an ellipsis
Mar 18 11:06:25 <Melissa_> It seemed... unwelcoming
Mar 18 11:40:56 <drathir> Melissa_: no, no, its normal at me...
Mar 18 11:42:22 <drathir> Melissa_: sorry for take that bad... no bad or unwelcomed intentions...
Mar 18 11:42:32 <Melissa_> Okay then :)
Mar 18 11:44:01 <drathir> Melissa_: thanks, and ofc welcome...
Mar 18 11:51:59 <Vegeshite_Mite> KotCzarny, hows the infinite monkey pie
Mar 18 13:39:49 <KotCzarny> hmm, will i have to vote on every version of package to get it to extras or it's just once?
Mar 18 13:48:28 <bencoh> KotCzarny: well, you can break it on every version, so ... ;p
Mar 18 13:48:34 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: every version
Mar 18 13:48:46 <KotCzarny> that.. sucks a bit
Mar 18 13:49:36 <bencoh> it's on purpose
Mar 18 13:50:47 <KotCzarny> also, libcurl+openssl is broken on fremantle
Mar 18 13:52:12 <KotCzarny> bencoh: but rationale would be 'my package reached stable quality, no more need for showing it's accepted'
Mar 18 13:52:31 <bencoh> not quite so
Mar 18 13:52:35 <sixwheeledbeast> but the new version "could" have a bug
Mar 18 13:52:39 <bencoh> it's "this version is stable"
Mar 18 13:52:46 <bencoh> "you can safely use it/replace the old one"
Mar 18 13:52:53 <KotCzarny> but usually next version is more stable than previous
Mar 18 13:53:02 <bencoh> erm, not really
Mar 18 13:53:12 <bencoh> not necessarily, at least
Mar 18 13:53:25 <sixwheeledbeast> not if you introduce new features and break something
Mar 18 13:54:04 <KotCzarny> is testers team still a thing?
Mar 18 13:54:14 <KotCzarny> otherwise it's just random people clicking
Mar 18 13:54:42 <KotCzarny> and not necessarily tested package
Mar 18 13:54:48 <sixwheeledbeast> there was an exception rule a long time ago that very minor bugfixes could be pushed up manually, but that would need repo admin to do that.
Mar 18 13:55:07 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: that is part of the problem.
Mar 18 13:55:17 <KotCzarny> that's why i raise this issue
Mar 18 13:55:41 <sixwheeledbeast> some voters don't test the packages correctly. Also man power on testing is very low now.
Mar 18 13:56:25 <sixwheeledbeast> When I had more time I was trying to push the package testing but it was very slow.
Mar 18 13:56:27 <KotCzarny> imo it's unnecessary in current state of community
Mar 18 13:57:11 <sixwheeledbeast> this is how promotion has gone by the way side and devel repo is wrongly enabled everywhere
Mar 18 13:57:34 <KotCzarny> yes, because there is almost no current software
Mar 18 13:57:52 <bencoh> I'm pretty sure most of us use apt-pining ;)
Mar 18 13:58:09 <KotCzarny> imo it should be up to dev to assume package is worth promoting
Mar 18 13:58:11 <sixwheeledbeast> It's difficult to fix without 6-8 solid testers and there time to package test
Mar 18 13:58:12 <bencoh> (yeah, I know that's not true)
Mar 18 13:59:19 <KotCzarny> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/p/pierogi/
Mar 18 13:59:23 <KotCzarny> look at this
Mar 18 13:59:28 <KotCzarny> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pierogi/
Mar 18 13:59:30 <KotCzarny> and this
Mar 18 13:59:54 <bencoh> KotCzarny: that specific example is a bad one
Mar 18 14:00:04 <KotCzarny> people won't bother with updating to 'extras' and the extras-devel will become 'standard' repo
Mar 18 14:00:20 <bencoh> there are a lot of people testing pierogi, but the developer has always been extra cautious ... a bit too much :)
Mar 18 14:00:33 <KotCzarny> 3 years without promoting?
Mar 18 14:00:37 <KotCzarny> hardly believable
Mar 18 14:00:41 <bencoh> see related thread
Mar 18 14:00:50 <bencoh> it's still in -devel, not in testing ;)
Mar 18 14:01:06 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: that is not correct with that package.
Mar 18 14:01:19 <KotCzarny> still, extras-devel lost it's primary role as a 'put before i promote' 
Mar 18 14:01:54 <KotCzarny> and without testers it's not going to get back
Mar 18 14:02:24 <sixwheeledbeast> I agree that example is a bad one. the maintainer has not been around and didn't which to push up until recently 
Mar 18 14:02:52 <KotCzarny> i had to grab 1.1.x in the past from extras-devel too
Mar 18 14:02:53 <sixwheeledbeast> s/which/wish/
Mar 18 14:02:54 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast meant: I agree that example is a bad one. the maintainer has not been around and didn't wish to push up until recently 
Mar 18 14:03:18 <Vegeshite_Mite> derp derp derp
Mar 18 14:03:36 <sixwheeledbeast> You see he is using the repos correctly.
Mar 18 14:03:39 <bencoh> KotCzarny: -devel vs -testing is a developer/maintainer issue, not a tester issue
Mar 18 14:03:59 <bencoh> KotCzarny: -testing vs extras, on the other hand, is a (lack of) testers issue
Mar 18 14:04:00 <KotCzarny> i bet no one has testing enabled
Mar 18 14:04:00 <sixwheeledbeast> extras version is considered "stable" and later versions are not.
Mar 18 14:04:12 <KotCzarny> - some specific persons
Mar 18 14:05:04 <sixwheeledbeast> It's not worth slowing HAM down to have testing enabled. I fortunately have one device specifically for -testing.
Mar 18 14:05:05 <KotCzarny> swb: as i said, i wouldn't mind if the community was more alive and/or had active testers
Mar 18 14:05:27 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: isnt cssu-testing HAM fast enough for that ?
Mar 18 14:05:42 <KotCzarny> but now to get any usable software for my n900 i have to use -devel
Mar 18 14:05:59 <sixwheeledbeast> Yes, it's something to mention to CC. Maybe the threshold for promotion could be lowered.
Mar 18 14:06:02 <bencoh> (to be honest, I cant even use regular HAM even if I wanted to, so I just stick to apt ... with -testing/-devel and pining)
Mar 18 14:06:36 <bencoh> +n
Mar 18 14:06:40 <KotCzarny> swb: i would vote on letting developer decide when package is worth extras and when it's not
Mar 18 14:08:03 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: it has slowly been going like that for a while unfortunately. I don't agree Maemo must look after it's Extras packages. They are enabled on EVERY Maemo device in the world so MUST be tested.
Mar 18 14:08:10 <sixwheeledbeast> ~2113
Mar 18 14:09:10 <KotCzarny> no testing team == what testing?
Mar 18 14:09:44 <KotCzarny> and no current software == dead device
Mar 18 14:10:07 <bencoh> wow, finally, my TMO account got linked with my maemo.org profile ...
Mar 18 14:10:13 <bencoh> I wonder what happened
Mar 18 14:10:21 <bencoh> looks like miracle
Mar 18 14:10:23 <sixwheeledbeast> Doesn't matter. Packages cant simply be allowed on EVERY device because the dev says. 
Mar 18 14:11:52 <sixwheeledbeast> It would be far to easy to package a "rm" script, push to extras and kill "stable" devices. Some Maemo users have no technical knowledge I must point out.
Mar 18 14:12:43 <sixwheeledbeast> As long as Maemo CSSU is active Maemo can say alive IMO.
Mar 18 14:12:51 <KotCzarny> swb: i agree with that, still, you could do the same with extras-devel
Mar 18 14:13:59 <bencoh> KotCzarny: extras-devel should still only be enabled by people with tech knowledge
Mar 18 14:14:01 <KotCzarny> but if someone wanted to plant such 'feature', it could hide in legitimate package that activates with time
Mar 18 14:14:25 <KotCzarny> bencoh: in reality if someone wants software, -devel is usually a must
Mar 18 14:16:27 <sixwheeledbeast> bencoh: exactly.
Mar 18 14:18:54 <bencoh> KotCzarny: I think we all agree with the fact that the promotion system is a bit off, and repos dont always reflect available software status, but ...
Mar 18 14:20:16 <KotCzarny> you have to decide what's better, and telling anyone to 'just enable -devel and install' to actually have software, is missing point of -devel
Mar 18 14:25:11 <KotCzarny> i think quarantine is enough for devs/people to spot if package is bad
Mar 18 18:34:05 <wizbit> ive forgotton the pin code for my n900
Mar 18 18:34:27 <wizbit> after a certain amount of attempts will the n900 stop accepting any code or will the correct code still work?
Mar 18 18:34:36 <KotCzarny> will work
Mar 18 18:35:05 <KotCzarny> unless it's pin for sim card
Mar 18 18:35:55 <wizbit> I have installed http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON on it
Mar 18 18:35:59 <wizbit> maybe thats blocked it
Mar 18 18:36:33 <KotCzarny> depends what you did with it
Mar 18 18:58:41 <wizbit> im pretty sure im using the correct pin but its not unlocking :(
Mar 18 18:59:43 <Sicelo> N900 locking seems to be a random hiccup once in a while .. i get that too.
Mar 18 18:59:56 <wizbit> is there a way around it?
Mar 18 19:00:43 <Sicelo> no idea. you're looking at hacking it i think .. 
Mar 18 19:00:52 <Sicelo> something to do with john the ripper
Mar 18 19:01:18 <KotCzarny> first thing to check if it's sim locked or phone locked
Mar 18 19:01:23 <wizbit> i dont have a network connect until i enter the pin
Mar 18 19:01:36 <KotCzarny> so you can use phone etc?
Mar 18 19:01:47 <wizbit> no just the enter lock code screen 
Mar 18 19:02:12 <KotCzarny> try without the simcard?
Mar 18 19:02:19 <Sicelo> he has phone lock :)
Mar 18 19:02:27 <drathir> wizbit: try search about master lock code...
Mar 18 19:03:06 <KotCzarny> can you ssh to it?
Mar 18 19:03:07 <wizbit> i can use the PUK code instead i think
Mar 18 19:03:10 <wizbit> no network
Mar 18 19:03:36 <drathir> wizbit: puk is not phone code related i guess...
Mar 18 19:03:47 <KotCzarny> puk is sim card related
Mar 18 19:04:06 <drathir> puk unlock Your simafter 3 bad tries...
Mar 18 19:04:37 <KotCzarny> have you checked obvious codes 00000 or 12345?
Mar 18 19:04:43 <drathir> 3 bad tries of pin + 10 bad tries of puk = burn the card...
Mar 18 19:05:06 <wizbit> ill put sim in another phone and test if sim is still ok
Mar 18 19:05:35 <KotCzarny> you can get replacement sim card from your provider
Mar 18 19:05:41 <Sicelo> how many times have you put in code till now?
Mar 18 19:05:56 <drathir> also not sure sone nokias like 6230i have a special brute force prevention after several bad tryes...
Mar 18 19:05:56 <wizbit> loads
Mar 18 19:06:01 <drathir> some*
Mar 18 19:06:12 <KotCzarny> sim card locks after 3 tries
Mar 18 19:06:36 <wizbit> sim card works on other phone
Mar 18 19:06:42 <wizbit> i dont think its been blocked
Mar 18 19:06:47 <KotCzarny> then it's phone lock
Mar 18 19:06:55 <KotCzarny> try the obvious codes 00000 and 12345
Mar 18 19:06:56 <wizbit> yep
Mar 18 19:06:59 <wizbit> tried those
Mar 18 19:07:09 <drathir> that mean its a phone code issue like say...
Mar 18 19:07:14 <KotCzarny> then you have to flash it and recover pin 
Mar 18 19:07:20 <wizbit> ohh no
Mar 18 19:07:27 <wizbit> is there a way to mount the filesystem
Mar 18 19:07:35 <wizbit> and get the lock code that way
Mar 18 19:08:04 <Sicelo> yes, you can mount FS, but iirc lock code is in CAL, where you can't mount (i could be wrong)
Mar 18 19:08:11 <drathir> wizbit: hard w/o access if no pali magic staff installed...
Mar 18 19:08:15 <KotCzarny> http://lifewithmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/01/recovering-n900-phone-lock-code.html
Mar 18 19:08:40 <wizbit> is it possible that my lock code has got corrupt?
Mar 18 19:08:41 <KotCzarny> but it all requires access to mtd
Mar 18 19:08:59 <KotCzarny> wizbit, all i can guess is smscon set it's own lock code
Mar 18 19:09:13 <drathir> wizbit: really low i guess like win on lottery...
Mar 18 19:09:16 <Sicelo> try to see if the USB prompt doesn't come up even with the lock code screen showing (not sure .. my USB is bust for  a year now)
Mar 18 19:09:16 <KotCzarny> maybe you can unlock it via it too
Mar 18 19:09:51 <Sicelo> smscon doesn't set a lock code. only has a code to access the smscon settings
Mar 18 19:10:05 <KotCzarny> sicelo, we don't know what he did with smscon
Mar 18 19:11:11 <drathir> also if good remember is possible with praying only flash system not touchin data, but not reccomended...
Mar 18 19:11:37 <KotCzarny> wizbit, you can try using smscon to unlock phone
Mar 18 19:11:38 <Sicelo> yes .. and? smscon doesn't set a lock code.
Mar 18 19:11:52 <drathir> wizbit: w/o pali bootloader, and recorvery menu all hard..m.
Mar 18 19:11:52 <KotCzarny> sicelo, but it can lock/unlock phone
Mar 18 19:12:39 <Sicelo> hmm, you should try it. i have
Mar 18 19:12:53 <drathir> !ping
Mar 18 19:12:58 <drathir> ? ping
Mar 18 19:13:08 <Sicelo> pong :)
Mar 18 19:13:13 <drathir> ! ping
Mar 18 19:13:13 <KotCzarny> boing
Mar 18 19:13:47 <drathir> ~ping
Mar 18 19:13:47 <infobot> ~pong
Mar 18 19:13:54 <Sicelo> wizbit: try to see if the USB prompt doesn't come up even with the lock code screen showing .. does that work?
Mar 18 19:13:59 <drathir> there You are...
Mar 18 19:14:25 <drathir> ~lock code
Mar 18 19:14:29 <wizbit> just connected usb cable, but nothing came uop
Mar 18 19:14:38 <Sicelo> :(
Mar 18 19:14:43 <wizbit> i do have backup menu installed
Mar 18 19:14:52 <drathir> ~phone code
Mar 18 19:15:06 <drathir> brb
Mar 18 19:18:37 <wizbit> scsi 14:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Nokia    N900              031 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Mar 18 19:18:46 <wizbit> i got mass storage mode working using backup menu
Mar 18 19:18:49 <KotCzarny> usb doesn';t export mtd
Mar 18 19:18:54 <wizbit> dam
Mar 18 19:19:28 <Sicelo> the idea was to start usb networking ;)
Mar 18 19:20:08 <Sicelo> i'm not sure if RescueOS has mtdtools .. it might
Mar 18 19:22:38 <drathir> ok w/o access to phone even reflash i guess what told me...m
Mar 18 19:23:04 <drathir> wizbit: lol have You backup menu?
Mar 18 19:23:09 <wizbit> yes
Mar 18 19:23:13 <drathir> ...
Mar 18 19:23:35 <drathir> make a full backup on the memory card not compressed...
Mar 18 19:23:44 <wizbit> ok
Mar 18 19:24:05 <drathir> that for the start for security reasons...
Mar 18 19:24:28 <wizbit> i already have a backup on my server
Mar 18 19:24:35 <Sicelo> i wonder if this idea would work ... in one of the early startup scripts (which run sometime before the lock screen), put in a script that waits a minute or so, then runs the command to remove the displayed lock screen ... maybe that would at least get you to Maemo's terminal. you can access these scripts from USB networking in BM, iirc. the command you need is in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1374022&postcount=2.
Mar 18 19:24:58 <wizbit> ace thanks :D
Mar 18 19:27:41 <wizbit> holy cows i just remember the code
Mar 18 19:27:50 <wizbit> unless there was a timer on it
Mar 18 19:27:54 <wizbit> from smscon
Mar 18 19:28:56 * wizbit writes code to a file
Mar 18 19:29:15 <wizbit> thanks for your help, that was scary as hell
Mar 18 19:29:21 * wizbit checks smscon settings
Mar 18 19:29:26 * Sicelo shoots wizbit 
Mar 18 19:29:27 <Sicelo> lol
Mar 18 19:29:32 <KotCzarny> why scare, in the worst you can reflash
Mar 18 19:29:50 <wizbit> that is a big headache what would take hours for me
Mar 18 19:30:18 <KotCzarny> and unless you have jerks around, no point in setting the code
Mar 18 19:30:46 <Sicelo> just that N900 once in a while activates it on reboot :(
Mar 18 19:30:56 <KotCzarny> does it?
Mar 18 19:30:58 <KotCzarny> O.o
Mar 18 19:31:05 <KotCzarny> never had such event
Mar 18 19:31:19 <KotCzarny> for 6 years straight
Mar 18 19:31:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 18 19:31:47 <Sicelo> software hiccup maybe, but i'm not the only one who's had this. see tmo
Mar 18 19:33:08 <drathir> wizbit: after pm me...
Mar 18 19:33:38 <drathir> wizbit: im always better tryin to be secure that why backup.m..
Mar 18 19:34:18 <drathir> wizbit: but stay on good mind...
Mar 18 19:35:29 <drathir> wizbit: and ++ for backup menu with them able to recorver...
Mar 18 19:35:43 <wizbit> ace :D
Mar 18 19:36:00 <wizbit> rule no.1 always write your pin code down in a secure place
Mar 18 19:36:09 <wizbit> then you know for sure if its software problem
Mar 18 19:36:13 <KotCzarny> or just set it to 00000
Mar 18 19:36:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 18 19:36:17 <wizbit> heh
Mar 18 19:36:27 <drathir> wizbit: no no, always left You backdoor...
Mar 18 19:36:36 <drathir> in that case backup menu...
Mar 18 19:37:21 <wizbit> rule no.2 if your having problems with lock code, dont restart phone, because you cant get your network back
Mar 18 19:37:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 18 19:37:48 <KotCzarny> set your code to 00000
Mar 18 19:37:54 <wizbit> lol
Mar 18 19:38:08 <wizbit> i guess that might be quite secure, whoever would think of that
Mar 18 19:38:51 <KotCzarny> for security dont leave phone between jerks
Mar 18 19:46:01 <drathir> wizbit: enable ssh access to phone and auto connect to home wifi...
Mar 18 19:46:27 <drathir> but with backup menu is easy way...
Mar 18 19:46:57 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't any have issues with lockcode but it is always good to change it and keep it safe.
Mar 18 19:47:57 <sixwheeledbeast> if your playing with SMSCON this can trigger the lockcode so best to set a lockcode first.
Mar 18 19:48:28 <KotCzarny> to 00000
Mar 18 19:50:14 <sixwheeledbeast> not necessarily, that defeats the object of SMSCON really.
Mar 18 19:51:20 <KotCzarny> offtopic, anyone knows nice light audio eq library ?
Mar 18 19:51:37 <KotCzarny> my google skills fail on this topic
Mar 18 19:52:36 <Sicelo> imo, lock code should not be used at all with smscon. your hope is that the thief connects to some internet somewhere ... from which you may be able to remote into the device, take pic with front cam, etc. .. so if you enable lock code with smscon, you're basically indicationg you never want to see that N900 ever again
Mar 18 19:53:02 <Sicelo> (not that you stand good chance to recover the N900 with smscon anyway, haha .. but you have chances)
Mar 18 20:13:00 <sixwheeledbeast> Sicelo: it depends on how you plan to recover your device.
Mar 18 20:14:26 <sixwheeledbeast> I have a modified lock code screen with contact details and address. Also it depends if you want to keep the contents of the device secure too.
Mar 18 20:14:55 <KotCzarny> sensitive data on mobile? bad idea
Mar 18 20:16:04 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: well phone numbers/addresses/calender information. You have no choice about sensitive data if you want to use your device.
Mar 18 20:16:42 <KotCzarny> i do not consider my phonebook sensitive
Mar 18 20:22:43 <KotCzarny> on the other hand, storing cc card number or passwords IS sensitive
Mar 18 20:23:41 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: that is plain stupid to do in plain text.
Mar 18 20:23:59 <KotCzarny> ever did online banking via webbrowser?
Mar 18 20:42:27 <bencoh> KotCzarny: works, here :)
Mar 18 20:43:22 <bencoh> err, nevermind
Mar 18 20:43:32 <KotCzarny> um?
Mar 18 20:43:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 18 20:44:58 <KotCzarny> btw. is there a package with updated certificates?
Mar 18 20:46:31 <KotCzarny> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bagder/ca-bundle/master/ca-bundle.crt
Mar 18 20:46:32 <KotCzarny> hum
Mar 18 20:46:53 <KotCzarny> it's a bundle extracted from mozilla
Mar 18 20:47:54 <KotCzarny> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bagder/ca-bundle/e9175fec5d0c4d42de24ed6d84a06d504d5e5a09/ca-bundle.crt
Mar 18 20:48:04 <KotCzarny> and this one is the last one with 1024bits certs
Mar 18 22:16:10 <bencoh> KotCzarny: cssu has a more-or-less up-to-date cert bundle
Mar 18 22:16:18 <bencoh> and we have bundle updates
Mar 18 23:33:07 <totalizator> wee, I have built weechat-1.1.1 for N900 with perl, python plugins working
Mar 18 23:57:08 <sixwheeledbeast> weeeee
Mar 19 00:57:29 <Sc0rpius> weeeeeee
Mar 19 00:57:31 <Sc0rpius> but who uses that
Mar 19 00:57:34 <Sc0rpius> :/
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