**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 19 02:59:58 2015 Mar 19 06:10:06 bencoh: can we get updated certs for stock fremantle? Mar 19 06:19:39 i really don't know why they decided to not go for the usual debian ca-certificates setup Mar 19 06:20:03 because.. reasons! Mar 19 06:23:53 KotCzarny, because... whalepie! Mar 19 06:26:45 kerio, why not just add them from debian? package should be arch independent Mar 19 06:27:03 and software as openssl/gnutls could use it Mar 19 06:27:19 KotCzarny, but that would lead to no whale pie Mar 19 06:42:53 moin :) Mar 19 06:46:07 oink Mar 19 09:35:29 hey how can we get list of free LBA ?? Mar 19 09:38:18 what's lba? Mar 19 09:39:00 you ... cant, I guess Mar 19 09:39:04 ask your fs (?) Mar 19 09:44:01 bencoh: its ext4 Mar 19 09:44:13 KotCzarny: its Logical Block Address Mar 19 09:47:34 newbiealert: then use debug2fs to print them Mar 19 09:47:39 for ext2/3/4 Mar 19 09:47:43 for fat i dont know Mar 19 09:48:38 debugfs i mean Mar 19 09:48:44 bencoh: Actually m trying to put all teh frequently used files, sequentially according to LBA .. copying files to a new location will get them a sequential LBAs ( idk but its still not *exactly* sequential, some of the LBAs are reserved kindof, maybe for file inmcrement ). Mar 19 09:48:54 newbiealert.. don't Mar 19 09:49:23 newbieAlert: to avoid defrag, maybe Mar 19 09:49:30 it could have some meaning for regular hdd, for flash, dont mess with it Mar 19 09:49:35 KotCzarny: yeah thtas the reason. Mar 19 09:50:45 KotCzarny: I am not overwriting the LBAs. Copying a file to a new location is a safe procedure i guess. For i change i wanted to copy a file to a specific LBA and for taht i needed free LBAs. Mar 19 09:51:13 bencoh: yeah.. thats to avoid defrag. Mar 19 09:51:37 why are you doing this ? Mar 19 09:51:50 because of weird idea he has Mar 19 09:52:02 that defragging flash would result in noticeable gains Mar 19 09:52:55 KotCzarny: I dont have flash. Using Hdd. Sequential LBA should be read faster than distributed ones. Mar 19 09:53:07 ahm, so it's not n900 related? Mar 19 09:53:45 KotCzarny: Nope. Just a doubt.. I ofn think flash is affected by frag that much . Is it ?? Mar 19 09:53:47 but remember that when os loads it reads more than one file at a time Mar 19 09:54:15 flash is mostly affected during writes Mar 19 09:54:22 but for reads it doesnt matter much Mar 19 09:55:36 but if it's a pc, just run some livecd, copy files somewhere safe, format, copy them back Mar 19 09:55:38 KotCzarny: It reads more blocks near the current one. Its not necessary that the read block is desired by the user. So if the most frequently used files are near each other, there is more probablility of rading righ tfiles. Mar 19 09:55:58 it would create nicely defragmented files Mar 19 09:56:08 KotCzarny: SO defragging a flash will help improving performance ? Mar 19 09:56:10 at least till the next apt-get update/upgrade Mar 19 09:56:26 newbiealert: not really Mar 19 09:56:34 10:56 < KotCzarny> at least till the next apt-get update/upgrade Mar 19 09:56:35 +1 Mar 19 09:57:14 your neat-and-tidy situation probably wont last long on a daily-used system Mar 19 09:57:28 unless your /home is on separate partition Mar 19 09:57:35 and /var /tmp Mar 19 09:57:47 then the problem would be your /home :) Mar 19 09:58:14 still, i haven't defragged my hdd even once Mar 19 09:58:18 bencoh: Yeah i know. :/ Mar 19 09:58:23 anyway, if you're talking about a recent/decent laptop/desktop, most of your open files/libraries are in cache Mar 19 09:58:37 though i have changed drives few times, but then again, updates usually mess it again Mar 19 09:58:51 KotCzarny: same here ... on *nix at least Mar 19 09:58:56 KotCzarny: yep /home is on seperate partition and the files used are usuall config files. Mar 19 09:59:21 but as i said,don't bother ext3/4 has internal defrag algos Mar 19 09:59:31 ie. has separate zones for small/big files Mar 19 09:59:36 bencoh: yes. They are cache dafter being read. Mar 19 09:59:45 KotCzarny: Got it :) Mar 19 10:00:45 If fragmentation does occur, the file system will attempt to move the files around to reduce fragmentation in normal use, without the need for a defragmentation utility Mar 19 10:01:08 so just keep at least 10-20% of your fs free Mar 19 10:01:11 and don't worry Mar 19 10:01:14 KotCzarny: until disk is nearly full :P Mar 19 10:01:27 KotCzarny: thanks .. Mar 19 10:01:36 bencoh: Thanks. Mar 19 10:02:22 KotCzarny: btw, i saw your post in tmo. How come your N900 lasts for 6-7 days ?? Mar 19 10:02:35 mine one dies in 24 hrs. :/ Mar 19 10:02:36 i barely use it Mar 19 10:02:44 :] Mar 19 10:02:46 mostly for calls (rare anyway) Mar 19 10:03:00 KotCzarny: oh.. :D You had me scared. Mar 19 10:03:04 :) Mar 19 10:04:47 KotCzarny: bencoh : hey sorry for bothering too much, last for the time being, there was this thread for changing hildon to blackbox. Anyone managed to do it correctly after that ?? Thread died years ago. Mar 19 10:05:25 i haven't tried Mar 19 10:06:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58090 Mar 19 10:08:40 looking at the thread, I doubt it would feel better Mar 19 10:08:45 honestly Mar 19 10:09:21 WHO DARES SUMMON ME Mar 19 10:09:30 haha Mar 19 10:10:33 bencoh: yeah .. i was just wondering. Whenever the phone is in use, hildon-desktop takes 3-4% of CPU normally and much more sometimes. Mar 19 10:10:53 hello Mar 19 10:10:58 newbiealert: do you have any widgets or changing icons? Mar 19 10:11:33 KotCzarny: those should show as hildon-home Mar 19 10:11:50 newbieAlert: it doesnt show that much here Mar 19 10:11:59 KotCzarny: Not amything that changes . just a QBW to have for changing swap, one to view pictures from YAppari in feh and a phone shortcut. Mar 19 10:12:09 newbieAlert: apart from when I swich window Mar 19 10:12:26 but with transitions ... what would you expect ? :) Mar 19 10:12:45 any n9 users here? Mar 19 10:13:16 bencoh: Switch between apps and top , hildon-desktop should hit 3-4% Mar 19 10:13:26 yeah Mar 19 10:14:56 bencoh: YEah.Opened menu (catorise) and subemnu and switched to top.. H-d 11% :/ Mar 19 10:15:28 disable eyecandies Mar 19 10:15:33 then try again Mar 19 10:15:45 there is a "fast" transitions.ini around in tmo Mar 19 10:16:02 (actually there are lots of them ... just double check the syntax, and backup yours) Mar 19 10:16:04 bencoh: thats what is use. Mar 19 10:16:11 oh Mar 19 10:16:20 bencoh: CSSU tuner && themecustomizer provide the option. Mar 19 10:16:27 hmm Mar 19 10:20:49 bencoh: ANd my fapman is not updating catalogues. log : Conflicting distribution repo...fremantle-1.3 && few GPG erroe && failed to fetch extras-devel Hash Sum mismatch. Mar 19 10:21:32 another (un)happy user of -devel? Mar 19 10:22:20 KotCzarny: Idk it was working fine till 2 days before. Mar 19 10:22:51 what are your repos? Mar 19 10:24:10 KotCzarny: Fapman : extras, extars-devel fremantle ssu mr00 freamtle ssu apps cssu community-thunm cssu devel community-testing Mar 19 10:24:58 o.O Mar 19 10:25:16 and /etc/apt/sources.list is empty. Mar 19 10:25:41 pastebin output of apt-get update Mar 19 10:25:50 KotCzarny: I didn change default repos of fapman. except bloakced OVI. Mar 19 10:26:30 KotCzarny: Let me install it. Mar 19 10:26:37 o.o Mar 19 10:26:41 install what? Mar 19 10:27:19 pastebinit. Mar 19 10:27:37 ssh onto device, then just copypaste with your mouse? Mar 19 10:28:33 ~fapman Mar 19 10:28:33 from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam Mar 19 10:28:54 ~speedyHAM Mar 19 10:28:54 speedyham is probably 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Mar 19 10:29:00 I tought as much Mar 19 10:29:06 thought* Mar 19 10:29:26 newbieAlert: dunno the answer to your question, but ... :p Mar 19 10:29:46 bencoh: I didnot upgrade anything from fapman. it was fine like 2 days ago. I needed abiword, then found fapman not working. used apt. Mar 19 10:30:02 anyway, I'd just not use fapman :) Mar 19 10:30:04 bencoh: thanks for help :P didn know about speedyham. Mar 19 10:30:28 I thought it was in cssu-testing though, now Mar 19 10:31:00 bencoh: autoremove is evil Mar 19 10:31:05 especially if you add/remove repos Mar 19 10:31:22 KotCzarny: precisely Mar 19 10:31:35 when i was playing with debian testing it got confused and tried to remove core packages Mar 19 10:31:47 hm, right, speedyHAM is in cssu-testing (T10) Mar 19 10:32:30 andril: did you try #harmattan ? Mar 19 10:32:34 btw. solar eclipse tomorrow in north-west eu Mar 19 10:34:05 onflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got ) Mar 19 10:34:05 Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 Mar 19 10:34:36 sorry, dont have ssh installed too :P and pastebin didn work. Mar 19 10:34:47 no ssh? fix that Mar 19 10:34:53 it's ESSENTIAL Mar 19 10:34:55 ;) Mar 19 10:35:03 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1.3/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch Mar 19 10:35:15 maybe it was failed download Mar 19 10:35:23 KotCzarny AYe AYe sir :) Mar 19 10:36:11 rr https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release Mar 19 10:36:20 thats err. Mar 19 10:36:38 change fremantle-1.3 to fremantle then apt-get update Mar 19 10:36:45 for starters Mar 19 10:37:00 KotCzarny: for devel only ?? Mar 19 10:37:21 hmm Mar 19 10:37:26 KotCzarny: Its in process... Mar 19 10:37:28 if i remember correctly one without number is the current one Mar 19 10:37:31 yes thanks bencoh Mar 19 10:37:58 KotCzarny: Maybe.. but this setup worked till 2 days ago :/ Mar 19 10:38:09 if you change it will reget it Mar 19 10:38:23 maybe error will go away Mar 19 10:41:08 KotCzarny: Changed in Fapman & its stuck Mar 19 10:41:41 also, might be obvious, but check free space Mar 19 10:42:18 KotCzarny: If it was not freamntle-1.3 , then sould not it give unable to fethc :L host unreachable than hash sum mismatch. Mar 19 10:42:28 KotCzarny: Root has 61 mb. Mar 19 10:42:39 and /opt ? Mar 19 10:42:53 KotCzarny: And thank you :P it worked :D :D Mar 19 10:42:58 :) Mar 19 10:43:05 KotCzarny: /opt is abpout 6 gb . Mar 19 10:43:32 as i said, maybe it was failed download Mar 19 10:43:41 KotCzarny: Thnaks ... :) Done bothering you for the day.. Thank you :) :) Mar 19 10:43:52 bencoh: Thank you :) :) Mar 19 10:43:55 bye :) Mar 19 10:45:18 another happy hacker Mar 19 10:56:41 amazing, speedyHAM actually works (when regular HAM doesnt) Mar 19 10:57:51 ;) Mar 19 12:52:32 ~speedyHAM Mar 19 12:52:33 methinks speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Mar 19 12:52:55 speedyHAM does rock Mar 19 12:53:07 apt-* ftw! Mar 19 12:53:47 :) Mar 19 13:04:27 can you run freertos on the n900 Mar 19 13:17:00 infobot: uboot has been ported to beagleboard/omap3, so ... maybe Mar 19 13:17:11 erm, s/uboot/freertos/ Mar 19 13:17:17 (messed brainĂ  Mar 19 15:05:12 maemo is gaymo Mar 19 15:05:17 yay-o Mar 19 15:22:03 Hm? Mar 19 15:36:37 gameo weebo meego mer neemo wiiu Mar 19 15:36:49 ? Mar 19 15:37:53 its orca speak; ask KotCzarny Mar 19 16:16:33 Celebrate Mojoday! Mar 19 16:19:42 :] Mar 19 16:33:08 whale pie and the infinite monkey Mar 19 16:33:14 ! Mar 19 17:28:33 KotCzarny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY Mar 19 17:30:21 now I can see why he got banned on sailfish chans :/ Mar 19 17:30:27 :) Mar 19 17:30:50 troll is trolling Mar 19 18:50:29 hrm Mar 19 18:50:41 anyone here wrote audio eq ? Mar 19 20:02:38 woo, it wooorks, muahahahaha **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 20 02:59:59 2015