**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 22 02:59:58 2015 Mar 22 07:25:08 yawn Mar 22 07:26:11 most people who try oscp say it's great, but only 4 actually voted Mar 22 07:26:50 one user said 'where is media library' but then when he actually learned how to used said 'it's great' Mar 22 07:28:26 pity there is no install stats Mar 22 07:38:40 :) Mar 22 07:38:58 yappri is taking all the attention Mar 22 07:39:06 not mine Mar 22 07:39:19 also, 12000 views is not 'lack of attention' Mar 22 07:39:59 i'd like to bet Yappari has by far more Mar 22 07:40:00 but Mar 22 07:40:19 how many votes needed to promote oscp furhter? Mar 22 07:40:41 6 Mar 22 07:41:51 as for 'views' yappari appeared in 2012 Mar 22 07:41:59 oscp appeared just month ago Mar 22 07:58:49 maybe i should test it out on my 2nd N900 Mar 22 07:59:41 you can test it even on pc Mar 22 08:03:55 Vajb: yes, you can get calibration without shutting down bme. but bencoh is correct that the best, quickest way is to shutdown bme. Mar 22 08:08:47 calibration is overrated Mar 22 08:09:18 use pseudo defined dynamically linked models instead Mar 22 08:09:49 they allow for a scalable approach to bme supervision control and data acquisitioning Mar 22 08:12:45 KotCzarny, do you concur? Mar 22 09:06:46 Entertained: but are they web scale? Mar 22 09:10:02 kerio, no they are cluster oriented cloud optimized dingleflops Mar 22 09:15:55 erm, I'm not sure we should feed him ... Mar 22 09:27:21 k disabled two modules now to get proper calibration Mar 22 09:45:56 Vajb: which ones ? Mar 22 09:59:12 bq27x00 and rx51 as suggested by estel in one thread Mar 22 11:13:54 hmm im still getting battery almost empty notifys.. Mar 22 11:33:34 can safely announce that it didn't work Mar 22 11:33:52 exploded? Mar 22 11:33:53 still uncalibrated Mar 22 11:34:24 got 3303 when it said recharge and shut down Mar 22 11:34:50 what are you calibrating? Mar 22 11:34:58 guess i'll just leave it be Mar 22 11:35:00 battery circuit or some software? Mar 22 11:35:05 my battery Mar 22 11:35:13 grab external charger? Mar 22 11:35:36 have you tried charging it in stock fremantle n900? Mar 22 11:35:52 it loads just fine Mar 22 11:36:16 it just want bme replacement to show somewhat correct readings Mar 22 11:36:24 Vajb: what about disabling bme ? :p Mar 22 11:36:43 bencoh: isn't that what i did? Mar 22 11:36:59 unless you did "stop bme", probably not Mar 22 11:37:23 bencoh: modprobe -r bq27x00 and rx51 is what i did Mar 22 11:37:43 thread didn't say anything about stop bme Mar 22 11:38:13 well will see what happens when i got mugen battery Mar 22 11:38:25 till that i'll say fck it :) Mar 22 11:38:41 pop it into stock fremantle and cycle 1-2 times Mar 22 11:39:06 KotCzarny Sicelo: people send me mails asking trivial questions about yappari but they still don't vote to promote latest versions, so to be honest... i don't know what's worse Mar 22 11:39:08 would have to install that first... Mar 22 11:39:21 i'll try oscp this afternoon :) Mar 22 11:39:26 heh Mar 22 11:39:48 that's why i say current 'extras' system is broken Mar 22 11:40:23 i don't know if it's the system or the people... Mar 22 11:40:35 people are lazy Mar 22 11:40:37 5 or 6 votes isn't much to ask Mar 22 11:40:38 and always were Mar 22 11:41:06 'testing' is a good idea, but when there are no professional testers Mar 22 11:41:11 it's just not working Mar 22 11:41:11 :) Mar 22 11:41:36 well, that's true: people write me to send them .deb file even when it's linked three times on the first post Mar 22 11:41:53 so... yes, people are lazy Mar 22 11:42:27 maybe one or two testers per project could be the ones to vote and promote Mar 22 11:42:49 i could count with one or two people to thoroughly test new releases Mar 22 11:43:25 ceene, i would say that karma system + 'once it hits extras it's up to developer to decide which packages to promote' Mar 22 11:44:32 that'd be fine too, probably Mar 22 12:00:42 the Extras promotion system is not exactly user firendly Mar 22 12:00:48 it is kinda hidden Mar 22 12:00:56 and needs to be done in a browser Mar 22 12:01:08 needs a Maemo account, etc. Mar 22 12:01:18 m4rtink: you missed the issue Mar 22 12:01:32 it would be much better if it at least was doable from the application manager Mar 22 12:01:39 i put link to vote in my sig Mar 22 12:01:44 yet, only 4 people voted Mar 22 12:03:08 4 is actually good Mar 22 12:03:12 :) Mar 22 12:03:22 not good enough to promote a package Mar 22 12:03:23 I usually have to ask people on IRC Mar 22 12:04:13 and voting from pkg manager is as good as dropping voting completely, one could simply install 10 scratchboxes Mar 22 12:04:14 right? Mar 22 12:07:29 I'm not saying drop the account requirement Mar 22 12:07:47 but make it possible to vote from package manager with account Mar 22 12:07:49 not going to work, see 'people are lazy' Mar 22 12:08:30 would make it much easier to test & vote Mar 22 12:08:41 so it would be more likely people would test Mar 22 12:18:47 is it possible to use the n900 without battery (just an external power supply), does not necessarily have to be over the usb port Mar 22 12:19:21 nope Mar 22 12:19:32 or was it n800, hum Mar 22 12:23:13 Wizzup: well Mar 22 12:23:20 attach a fake battery to the battery pins Mar 22 12:27:28 3.7V power supply Mar 22 12:27:54 and a resistor for bsi Mar 22 12:30:25 ack Mar 22 15:06:18 KotCzarny: it also doesn't help non-free needs 10 votes Mar 22 15:07:04 as i said, system was ok when there were assigned testers, now it's just broken Mar 22 15:28:39 and as already state - it is rather cumbersome Mar 22 15:28:43 *stated Mar 22 15:28:51 and I think also not very known Mar 22 15:29:30 sixwheeledbeast: iirc it was the same for free, but got relaxed Mar 22 15:29:43 I guess we could do it for non-free as well Mar 22 15:29:51 just pester merlin1991 Mar 22 16:06:41 BTW, in Fedora there is something similar Mar 22 16:06:46 called Bodhi Mar 22 16:07:05 packages also need karma Mar 22 16:07:21 but are automatically promoted after a while even if they don't get any Mar 22 16:07:37 fedora has much bigger user base Mar 22 16:07:56 https://forums.unvanquished.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1726 Mar 22 16:08:04 it also helps that there is a unified Fedora Account System Mar 22 16:08:29 and all contributors thus have a FAS account they can use to test and give karma Mar 22 16:08:38 but even then there are issues Mar 22 16:09:23 I'm maintaining a tool tat runs on first startup and it is rather tricky to test on a normal system Mar 22 16:09:58 so I quite often need to ask "proven packagers" that can override the karma requirements to promote it to stable manually Mar 22 16:34:32 wow, 5th vote Mar 22 16:35:22 that's mine :) Mar 22 16:35:37 i've played a bit with oscp both on n900 and on the computer Mar 22 16:35:47 and i quite like it Mar 22 16:35:52 and seems to work okay Mar 22 16:35:54 you are 'agamez' ? Mar 22 16:35:58 yes i am Mar 22 16:36:15 weird tmo shows you as ceene when viewing users Mar 22 16:36:23 thanks anyway :) Mar 22 16:36:43 yes... on garage.maemo.org i'm agamez Mar 22 16:36:49 but on the forum i registered as ceene Mar 22 16:36:57 also, if you find any bugs, missing features or just want to say it's great post to tmo Mar 22 16:37:08 or write here Mar 22 16:37:09 i have a question, though Mar 22 16:37:16 that maybe has been answered already Mar 22 16:37:26 but i don't know what the three buttons on the right side bottom mean Mar 22 16:37:32 on oscp-remote Mar 22 16:37:35 which ones? Mar 22 16:37:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKxtrSqI34 Mar 22 16:37:48 have you read the help that popup on the first run? Mar 22 16:37:52 ^^ Mar 22 16:37:56 VSR Mar 22 16:37:57 hehe Mar 22 16:38:01 maybe not :P Mar 22 16:38:02 see the help Mar 22 16:38:17 vids/shuffle/repeat Mar 22 16:38:18 cool Mar 22 16:38:22 seriously, it's a must to describe what oscp is, what it can do Mar 22 16:38:26 i still don't know what vids stands for Mar 22 16:38:35 see the help Mar 22 16:38:41 hehe Mar 22 16:38:45 it's not that long, just please read it Mar 22 16:38:52 ok, sorry :) Mar 22 16:38:56 people are lazy, remember! Mar 22 16:39:02 i know, i'm lazy too Mar 22 16:39:08 that's why i wrote that help popup Mar 22 16:39:09 ;) Mar 22 16:40:35 very nice Mar 22 16:41:03 it's mainly an audio player Mar 22 16:41:16 vids are here just because it was easy to add Mar 22 16:41:24 and actually can extend oscp functionality Mar 22 16:41:43 (ie. you can control pc core playing on tv from n900) Mar 22 16:41:49 or vice versa Mar 22 16:42:02 i like that very much Mar 22 16:42:15 i have a little x86 machine connected to my tv Mar 22 16:42:31 and was thinking of connecting it directly to the amps Mar 22 16:42:57 xbmc is too much for my poor little machine Mar 22 16:43:02 so oscp is now a real candidate :) Mar 22 16:43:26 i have 200mhz vortex86 machine as my audio player ;) Mar 22 16:43:51 i think 32mb of ram is enough to run bare bones linux and oscp Mar 22 16:43:59 one thing I don't like quite much is the use of the volume buttons Mar 22 16:44:12 on n900? Mar 22 16:44:14 i keep pushing them to lower the volumne and the song skips Mar 22 16:44:18 yes Mar 22 16:44:23 i did it on purpose Mar 22 16:44:39 but it's very easy for you to 'fix' Mar 22 16:44:43 as the remote is pygtk Mar 22 16:48:45 look for: n900: hw Mar 22 16:49:12 and change self.next to self.volI(None,None) Mar 22 16:49:46 cool, thanks! Mar 22 16:50:09 same for the other one too Mar 22 16:50:17 ie. self.prev to self.volD Mar 22 16:51:17 testing right now Mar 22 16:52:02 much better now, thanks! Mar 22 16:52:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKxtrSqI34 Mar 22 16:52:22 will that run on maemo Mar 22 16:52:32 i might add an option for it Mar 22 16:52:39 ie. to select vol keys function Mar 22 16:52:43 TODO'ed Mar 22 16:53:12 i still find however lowest volume to be too loud Mar 22 16:53:34 it jumps 3 notches Mar 22 16:53:42 but system menu is just above Mar 22 16:53:53 and on n900 oscp actually does soft vol Mar 22 16:54:15 so changing volume in oscp doesn't change system vol in any way Mar 22 16:54:20 i see Mar 22 16:54:34 pulseaudio should die in a fire Mar 22 16:54:41 i can get out of oscp-remote and modify phone volume with the buttons Mar 22 16:55:03 yep, and we shall dance around it Mar 22 16:55:36 if you don't do fullscreen then system tray (with volume) is just at the top Mar 22 16:56:04 uh, i always forget about the volume slider there Mar 22 16:56:09 i most usually use the buttons Mar 22 16:56:31 if you don't want oscp to touch hw vol buttons you can disable it Mar 22 16:57:04 i'm not quite sure of what i want, to be honest Mar 22 16:57:11 at the very end of the file is: self.sbus.add_signal_receiver(self.handle_hsb... Mar 22 16:57:15 just comment that line Mar 22 16:58:56 winamps skins work on n900? Mar 22 16:59:32 on n900 no, but on oscp-remote, yes Mar 22 16:59:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94727 Mar 22 16:59:48 grab the pack from here Mar 22 17:00:08 pressing clutterbar loads random skin from predefined list Mar 22 17:00:48 1.1gb of skins :O Mar 22 17:00:52 ;) Mar 22 17:00:59 you can repack it on pc Mar 22 17:01:08 you can remove .wal ones Mar 22 17:01:14 and it will go down to 500megs Mar 22 17:04:05 oh, the ncurses interface is pretty Mar 22 17:04:14 :) Mar 22 17:04:39 and it's pretty convenient to use with one hand ;) Mar 22 17:06:36 is it normal for pulseaudio to take so much cpu? Mar 22 17:06:40 yes Mar 22 17:06:47 pulseaudio should die in a fire Mar 22 17:07:08 especially the one implemented on n900 Mar 22 17:07:25 on pc when i pause, it doesn't generate any interrupts, just waits for data Mar 22 17:07:39 on n900 pause state doesn't stop pulseaudio madness.. Mar 22 17:07:54 https://github.com/Unvanquished/Unvanquished Mar 22 17:07:55 :( Mar 22 17:08:39 i always purge it out of my debian systems Mar 22 17:08:55 i still don't know what purpose it serves, usually my audio works better when it's not running at all Mar 22 17:09:03 yup Mar 22 17:09:08 it's evil Mar 22 17:09:17 ceene: audio policy routing with multiple inputs/outputs Mar 22 17:09:27 i guess we can't do the same on n900 Mar 22 17:09:48 well, you could, but using alsa directly on n900 can damage the internal speakers Mar 22 17:10:10 but if you use headphones or connect it to hifi, you dont have to worry Mar 22 17:10:14 that doesn't sound very good either Mar 22 17:17:22 ceene, if you want to play internet streams just put links into .m3u file Mar 22 17:19:43 cool Mar 22 17:24:03 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1461456&postcount=46 Mar 22 17:24:17 here is a pack stolen from screamerradio Mar 22 17:26:15 some work, some dont Mar 22 19:42:14 hrm, 4gb zip file fails to open with zziplib on x86 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 23 02:59:59 2015