**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 01 02:59:58 2015 Apr 01 07:53:58 Oorgle Apr 01 10:17:22 Woah. Apr 01 10:18:03 * Maxdamantus should figure out how to make Maemo render fonts without the insane crap it tends to do. Apr 01 10:18:24 Maxdamantus: check liqbase Apr 01 10:18:24 looks so much clearer whenever I run something that does it how I'm used to. Apr 01 10:18:37 ie, with hinting that actually works. Apr 01 10:19:06 rather than freetype's autohint or whatever infinality seems to do unconditionally (doubt Maemo uses infinality) Apr 01 10:20:11 KotCzarny: it's fairly general in the UI. Apr 01 10:20:20 http://i.imgur.com/cp3jMNZ.png Apr 01 10:21:17 wonder if I could just symlink the freetype library to the one I've built in nix. Apr 01 10:21:23 and what seems to be the problem? Apr 01 10:21:35 you can build lib yourself and update on device Apr 01 10:22:05 Yeah, but scratchbox is old and a pain. Apr 01 10:22:19 you can build on the device Apr 01 10:22:40 or I could probably just use the library I've already built. Apr 01 10:22:56 actually, probably can't, since it'll use glibc-2.19 Apr 01 10:22:57 but you have to build for armel Apr 01 10:23:06 it is built for armel. Apr 01 10:23:29 well, armhf Apr 01 10:26:39 also, as you have mentioned, glibc Apr 01 10:28:18 actually, I don't think the glibc thing would necessarily be a problem. Apr 01 10:28:25 it will Apr 01 10:28:29 (other than it also being armhf) Apr 01 10:28:30 Why? Apr 01 10:28:36 undefined symbols Apr 01 10:28:42 Is it not backwards-compatible? Apr 01 10:28:44 even if lib would work on both versions Apr 01 10:28:59 but if you build on newer system it will glue in the newer symbols Apr 01 10:29:05 and refuse to run with older one Apr 01 10:29:13 2.19 is as new as you can get. Apr 01 10:29:18 without upgrading the kernel. Apr 01 10:29:25 but check yourself Apr 01 10:30:44 what's wrong with maemo's freetype ? Apr 01 10:31:29 I don't think it uses hinting information from the fonts. Apr 01 10:31:48 I think the patent for that only recently expired. Apr 01 10:31:53 and freetype's autohinter sucks. Apr 01 10:32:35 oh, right, autohint was probably disabled at that time Apr 01 10:32:46 no, it was probably enabled. Apr 01 10:32:56 hm ? Apr 01 10:33:05 in 2009 ? Apr 01 10:33:21 Yes. Apr 01 10:33:26 Apparently 2011. Apr 01 10:33:39 maemo5 was released in 2009 Apr 01 10:33:42 “The open-source FreeType 2 font rendering engine uses an auto-hinter when such hinting data are not present or their use is restricted by a software patent.[2] As of 2011, the FreeType Web site states that the relevant font hinting patents have now all expired, and hinting is now enabled in FreeType by default.” Apr 01 10:33:50 Yeah, so it was before the patent expired. Apr 01 10:33:59 12:32 < bencoh> oh, right, autohint was probably disabled at that time Apr 01 10:34:02 so they would've had to either not hint or use autohint. Apr 01 10:34:13 no, they could've autohinted in 2009. Apr 01 10:34:28 but freetype's autohinter sucks. I can't tell if text is autohinted or not. Apr 01 10:34:32 it looks horrible either way. Apr 01 10:34:46 though the high resolution of the N900's screen makes it more bearable. Apr 01 10:35:07 (higher than the screens I normally look at, that is) Apr 01 10:35:19 hm nevermind, I meant "hinting" and I kept saying "autohint" :) Apr 01 10:36:03 what kind of screen do you normally look at ? Apr 01 10:36:04 # LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/nix/store/a9wslbik23ssg78n1hk7djq8ydg9mc0x-gcc-4.8.4/lib:/nix/store/2qb0jjsgqqsvj1qgv40b1qgv5vq2r99s-ncurses-5.9/lib /nix/store/h2l8xhdz0jsx5x9hi999js92297gmkc6-glibc-2.19/lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 /bin/bash -c 'echo hi' Apr 01 10:36:08 hi Apr 01 10:37:10 a ~40 cm one at 1280×1024 and a ~60 cm one at 1920×1080. Apr 01 11:05:40 IT ARRIVED! Apr 01 11:05:42 Yes! Apr 01 11:05:56 my New N900! Apr 01 11:06:01 :) Apr 01 11:06:16 install oscp on it if you are going to play any music Apr 01 11:06:26 then post feedback Apr 01 11:07:05 antranigv: where does one get a new n900? Apr 01 11:07:23 okey, first thing first, I'll change the body with mine, then reflash, then fix the USB charger to not hurt the port, then install oscp (whatever that is) then we'll see! Apr 01 11:10:08 Humpelstilzchen: someone forgot it at stock Apr 01 11:10:09 like Apr 01 11:10:11 a shop Apr 01 11:10:18 they forgot about it Apr 01 11:10:28 then they puted it online (here in NL) Apr 01 11:10:31 then I bought it Apr 01 11:10:32 mine is from 2009 still wroks Apr 01 11:10:35 nice! Apr 01 11:10:42 now, reflashing time! Apr 01 11:10:53 but not sure if I can change the bodies Apr 01 11:11:02 it's like making a sound while sliding Apr 01 11:12:01 hmm Apr 01 11:12:09 could be something inside? Apr 01 11:12:47 maybe, who knows?, I'll diassamble it today Apr 01 11:18:43 anyone can help me in reflashing? Apr 01 11:18:49 ~flashing Apr 01 11:18:50 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Apr 01 11:19:15 ~flasher Apr 01 11:19:15 flasher is probably at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Apr 01 11:19:30 ~firmware Apr 01 11:19:31 firmware is, like, please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher Apr 01 11:19:52 ~reflash Apr 01 11:19:53 reflash is probably zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models) Apr 01 11:20:00 o.O Apr 01 11:21:02 I have 3 images Apr 01 11:21:15 AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin = eMMC ? Apr 01 11:21:46 I think I need RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, right ? Apr 01 11:21:52 I have both :P Apr 01 11:22:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 01 11:22:04 see Apr 01 11:23:22 Note that flashing eMMC will delete the /opt directory, so you *always* need to reflash your rootfs (the COMBINED image) after - or same time as - flashing eMMC (VANILLA img) Apr 01 11:24:12 cool! Apr 01 11:26:17 but read whole page first Apr 01 11:32:16 and make backup... Apr 01 11:33:22 mmornin... Apr 01 11:34:21 * Maxdamantus wonders how hard it'd be to get hildon to compile under nix. Apr 01 11:42:00 ~0FFFF Apr 01 11:42:03 no? Apr 01 11:42:18 what was the name of the free one? Apr 01 11:42:43 0xffff Apr 01 11:42:56 ~0xffff Apr 01 11:42:56 well, 0xffff is https://gitorious.org/0xffff/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 Apr 01 11:43:42 i think 0xffff is limited Apr 01 11:43:48 what's wrong with gitorois? Apr 01 11:44:01 KotCzarny: why? Apr 01 11:44:07 ie. cant flash mmc Apr 01 11:44:27 umm, I'm still getting the device busy error, I tryied everyting. :-/ Apr 01 11:44:35 try another os Apr 01 11:44:40 oops Apr 01 11:44:49 :( Apr 01 11:44:59 I don't have any. Apr 01 11:45:05 does it say what device is busy? Apr 01 11:45:17 USB device found found at bus 002, device address 021. Apr 01 11:45:31 okay, then? Apr 01 11:45:34 waiting? Apr 01 11:46:34 actually, it'd say waiting before then. Apr 01 11:46:53 here ttp://paste.antranigv.me/ph4u3xw13 Apr 01 11:47:48 hmm Apr 01 11:48:01 maybe udev grabs it or something Apr 01 11:48:19 possible, what if I reboot my laptop? Apr 01 11:48:29 it looks like it does something the first time. Apr 01 11:48:35 not going to change much i think Apr 01 11:49:01 have you tried flashing the combined image as well? Apr 01 11:49:29 does the device has to be battery removed and in, or just powed off after getting it on?? Apr 01 11:49:48 umm nop, I wanted to do the eMMC and the rootfs. Apr 01 11:49:48 wiki page says it has to be powered off Apr 01 11:50:12 I know, I tried both ways Apr 01 11:50:44 you might need to let the battery charge too, I think. Apr 01 11:51:03 te LED is green :P Apr 01 11:51:05 I think it charges relatively slowly when it's not booted. Apr 01 11:51:29 Hm. That probably means it's booted. Apr 01 11:51:47 well, it can be green when charged without booting Apr 01 11:51:55 can it? Apr 01 11:51:59 yes I booted it now, hmm , i was thinking about using another battery Apr 01 11:52:02 it boots only partially Apr 01 11:52:02 what makes it green? Apr 01 11:52:13 cz this one MIGHT be old/broken Apr 01 11:52:13 right, so it at least loads part of the OS. Apr 01 11:52:23 yeah, initrd Apr 01 11:52:53 Does it normally use an initrd? O_o Apr 01 11:52:57 yes Apr 01 11:53:19 Hm. I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Apr 01 11:53:40 I think the first thing it runs is /sbin/preinit, off ubi0. Apr 01 11:54:08 okey, now the new battery is in, shoudl I reflash, or boot and then power it of? Apr 01 11:54:17 off* Apr 01 11:54:24 is it charged? Apr 01 11:54:53 good question, it should be, I recharged it with my 5800 XM yesterday Apr 01 11:55:00 just run the flasher program, then plug it in (without booting) Apr 01 11:55:00 have you checked everything works fine first ? Apr 01 11:55:07 (without flashing) Apr 01 11:55:12 yes, I was using 5800 until yesterday :P Apr 01 11:55:28 I mean, the new n900 Apr 01 11:55:42 bencoh: yes, camera, software, etc Apr 01 11:55:49 normal booting Apr 01 11:55:53 okey Apr 01 11:55:57 let's give it a try Apr 01 11:55:58 3 Apr 01 11:55:58 2 Apr 01 11:55:59 1 Apr 01 11:56:07 hmm Apr 01 11:56:17 1/ unplug n900 usb cable Apr 01 11:56:27 2/ run flasher command Apr 01 11:56:34 nop, says the device is busy. Apr 01 11:56:36 3/ when waiting is on the screen connect cable Apr 01 11:56:44 and keep pressing u Apr 01 11:56:56 i mean press u then connect cable Apr 01 11:57:10 now it is saying Apr 01 11:57:11 flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) Apr 01 11:57:11 Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB Apr 01 11:57:11 Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA Apr 01 11:57:12 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Apr 01 11:57:24 if not wrong green only when switched to normal chargin mode... Apr 01 11:57:31 slide up Apr 01 11:57:35 pressin u Apr 01 11:57:41 now connecting Apr 01 11:57:50 oops Apr 01 11:57:58 busy, again :( Apr 01 11:58:18 and the emergency chargin only at orange not yellow blinkin... Apr 01 11:58:19 If you get "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" error, make sure you run the flasher with sudo. If this does not fix the problem, as root, run Apr 01 11:58:22 modprobe -r cdc_phonet Apr 01 11:58:37 it looks like he was already running as root. Apr 01 11:58:47 I am runing as root, and I did the command Apr 01 11:58:58 it might be reloaded Apr 01 11:59:01 check lsmod Apr 01 11:59:05 maybe another program is messing with USB devices as they're connected. Apr 01 11:59:14 lsmod | grep ph Apr 01 11:59:14 6lowpan_iphc 16588 1 bluetooth Apr 01 11:59:14 libphy 32268 1 tg3 Apr 01 11:59:14 you can try stopping udev Apr 01 11:59:39 let me ask the guys at #funtoo Apr 01 11:59:50 tg3 ? Apr 01 11:59:53 broadcom tg3 ? Apr 01 11:59:59 its on the pc Apr 01 12:00:05 :) Apr 01 12:01:14 I have like Apr 01 12:01:19 udev udev-mount udev-postmount Apr 01 12:01:22 stop all ? Apr 01 12:01:33 use init script to stop it Apr 01 12:01:44 dont know which one funtoo uses Apr 01 12:02:02 /etc/rc.d/udevsomething stop ? Apr 01 12:02:07 btw before first on phone always tako off battery to have sure its off i guess... Apr 01 12:02:09 hmm Apr 01 12:02:14 or /etc/init.d/udevsomthing stop Apr 01 12:02:27 alsmo unload unused modules Apr 01 12:02:27 again Apr 01 12:02:31 the same Apr 01 12:02:35 also check dmesg on pc Apr 01 12:02:40 to see what's happening Apr 01 12:02:59 you can also try booting some livecd Apr 01 12:03:42 ank kee on mind that phone screen-slider is fully open... Apr 01 12:04:03 drathir: yes it is Apr 01 12:04:07 livecd Apr 01 12:04:13 I should have one wait Apr 01 12:04:21 * antranigv diggs under the bed Apr 01 12:04:51 fedora 20 LXDE Apr 01 12:04:56 cool Apr 01 12:05:00 brb Apr 01 12:06:15 will be funny when 'u' hard connecting ;p Apr 01 12:12:13 hey Apr 01 12:12:20 my calendar is saying it's thursday Apr 01 12:12:26 I'm in australia and still use an n900 Apr 01 12:12:35 it's wednesday Apr 01 12:12:48 hey Apr 01 12:13:06 I am sshd to my server from N900 Apr 01 12:13:29 usb cable problem it was, now I went Apr 01 12:13:33 shit Apr 01 12:13:50 now I am going to buy a new cable Apr 01 12:13:52 cool. I use mine as my only phone and the calendar is saying that it's thursday, does anyone else have this problem Apr 01 12:14:32 how can I do Alt key? Apr 01 12:15:07 the calendar is messed up and this is a real problem because I don't have another phone Apr 01 12:15:14 all my appointments are in it Apr 01 12:15:23 if you need alt in the terminal, escape should generally suffice. Apr 01 12:15:28 there's a button for that. Apr 01 12:15:39 what time is it in australia ? Apr 01 12:15:42 * Maxdamantus has ctrl+enter mapped as escape. Apr 01 12:15:48 it's 2316 Apr 01 12:16:05 fishbulb: isnt it a summertime-related issue ? Apr 01 12:16:08 :/ didn't get Apr 01 12:16:32 (daylighst saving time) Apr 01 12:16:40 bencoh um, not to my knowledge? Apr 01 12:16:56 ' Apr 01 12:17:01 oops Apr 01 12:17:04 antranigv: in terminal emulators, holding alt while pressing a key is usually the same as pressing escape before pressing that key. Apr 01 12:17:04 sorry Apr 01 12:17:13 aha Apr 01 12:17:19 yesss Apr 01 12:17:27 thanks Maxdamantus! Apr 01 12:17:32 it worked Apr 01 12:17:52 april 5 and the time goes backwards Apr 01 12:17:55 not forwards Apr 01 12:18:23 5 more days and it will go back an hour Apr 01 12:18:45 at least it's not September in 1752. Apr 01 12:18:56 $ cal 9 1752 # always fun to look at Apr 01 12:19:15 I open the calendar and it shows the right dayt Apr 01 12:19:27 but the calendar shows the wrong day on the widget Apr 01 12:20:26 got a new USB Apr 01 12:20:46 * antranigv goes back home Apr 01 12:20:48 Maxdamantus: wtf :D Apr 01 12:21:06 That's when `cal` considers the Gregorian reformation to have happened. Apr 01 12:21:24 before that month it uses the Julian calendar. Apr 01 12:21:42 :] Apr 01 12:22:24 btw, does OTR work with Pidgin? Apr 01 12:22:31 fishbulb: does the issue appear on the widget only ? Apr 01 12:22:43 on the outside of the widget only Apr 01 12:22:46 antranigv: at pc yes... Apr 01 12:23:00 antranigv: at n900 libotr broken was... Apr 01 12:23:06 I open it and it shows the correct day Apr 01 12:23:28 yawn Apr 01 12:23:35 rain, snow, wind Apr 01 12:23:43 but seriously this is my only phone Apr 01 12:23:45 i love the spring weather Apr 01 12:24:10 KotCzarny: only thunderbolts missing... Apr 01 12:24:15 soon Apr 01 12:24:18 hrhr Apr 01 12:24:37 thats the other part of the spring Apr 01 12:26:30 does anyone know why my calendar is saying the wrong day? Apr 01 12:26:36 fishbulb: which calendar widget do you use ? stock ? Apr 01 12:27:04 yeah I think stock with some mods Apr 01 12:27:14 maybe it uses builtin date to day algo Apr 01 12:27:18 ie. try to update Apr 01 12:27:26 update what Apr 01 12:28:36 aptget update ? Apr 01 12:28:40 * antranigv back home Apr 01 12:28:40 yes Apr 01 12:28:49 now, let's stop udev and do this (P Apr 01 12:28:51 (: Apr 01 12:28:52 and check if extras has newere one Apr 01 12:29:02 I dont think calendar-home-applet has been updated Apr 01 12:29:11 (it's closed-source) Apr 01 12:29:15 but there are other calendar widgets in extras Apr 01 12:29:22 fishbulb: timezones? Apr 01 12:29:44 all my appointments are in this calendar Apr 01 12:29:46 drathir: I think so as well (TZ/DST), but ... Apr 01 12:29:51 which is the best calendar? Apr 01 12:29:54 fishbulb: it's not a different calendar, just a different widget Apr 01 12:30:10 oh. which is a better widget then? Apr 01 12:30:38 I just woke up and was SUPER disoriented when my phone said thursday :o Apr 01 12:30:41 the best is set auto by network... Apr 01 12:30:44 I had a nap Apr 01 12:30:58 fishbulb: try removing the widget and add ait again Apr 01 12:31:01 writing ^_^ Apr 01 12:31:12 dunno, you can try those listed on maemo.org/packages, and/or have a quick search on talk.maemo.org Apr 01 12:31:20 Image(s) flashed successfully in 28.665 s (8928 kB/s)! Apr 01 12:31:25 now what? Apr 01 12:31:28 (I dont use calendar on my n900, so ... dunno) Apr 01 12:31:37 ohh, take out the battery now Apr 01 12:31:45 or first the USB cable? Apr 01 12:31:52 I still use mine as my main phone Apr 01 12:31:58 fishbulb: when the problem is still there, add a second calender widget to the desktop and check if it shows a different date than the first Apr 01 12:32:10 I'm restarting it Apr 01 12:32:59 "When flashing of eMMC completed without errors: Switch off device by shortly removing battery" Apr 01 12:33:07 * antranigv removes the battery Apr 01 12:33:29 fishbulb: or check if You not have enabled different times in other countries... Apr 01 12:33:35 I removed the widget, reset the phone, added the widget, back to normal. weird. Apr 01 12:33:51 I was in nz last week Apr 01 12:34:03 but everything is set to australia Apr 01 12:34:13 the widget got confused somehow Apr 01 12:34:26 that's very strange, it's actually been working for 5 years Apr 01 12:34:34 :) Apr 01 12:34:40 looks like widget not like traveling ^^ Apr 01 12:34:46 :D Apr 01 12:34:52 i think you have to wrote rootfs too Apr 01 12:34:53 after mmc Apr 01 12:34:59 *write Apr 01 12:35:24 KotCzarny: yes! Apr 01 12:35:24 so Apr 01 12:35:28 or still have time how that speakin when You traveling by plane... Apr 01 12:35:46 not time shift not time dizzy... Apr 01 12:35:53 the same command, just COMBINED file, and -R at the end? Apr 01 12:36:12 -R is just to reboot automatically Apr 01 12:36:27 okey, then just another file Apr 01 12:36:55 jetlag Apr 01 12:37:15 I got an error Apr 01 12:37:24 thanks I was just panicking that my phone might be dead Apr 01 12:37:28 SW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0 Apr 01 12:37:28 Image 'kernel', size 1705 kB Apr 01 12:37:28 Version 2.6.28-20103103+0m5 Apr 01 12:37:28 Image 'rootfs', size 185728 kB Apr 01 12:37:28 Version RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0 Apr 01 12:37:29 FIASCO subimage data length mismatch Apr 01 12:37:37 I'm actually still using this as my only phone Apr 01 12:37:41 bad download? Apr 01 12:37:45 maybe? Apr 01 12:37:52 ~firmware Apr 01 12:37:52 it has been said that firmware is please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher Apr 01 12:37:54 check md5 Apr 01 12:38:23 i got 9b1724305dbb4cc42b61e5567c15817c Apr 01 12:38:39 oops yes Apr 01 12:38:44 it's just 4MB Apr 01 12:38:51 :D Apr 01 12:39:05 ~combined Apr 01 12:39:06 hmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Apr 01 12:39:40 what about this one? Apr 01 12:39:42 http://galif.eu/nokia/N900/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Apr 01 12:39:49 check md5 then go Apr 01 12:39:50 downloading Apr 01 12:40:30 * drathir think widget get a jet lag ^^ ;p Apr 01 12:40:42 geeze slow connection -_- Apr 01 12:40:56 luckily its only ~150megs Apr 01 12:41:00 and not few gigs Apr 01 12:41:08 as it is common for droids Apr 01 12:41:46 antranigv: lol always checkin twice the checksums of files... smart flasher... Apr 01 12:41:48 about 19kb/s Apr 01 12:42:13 grab a snack Apr 01 12:42:16 read some Apr 01 12:42:54 cooking time Apr 01 12:43:02 dont burn the n900 Apr 01 12:43:41 I have another N900 too!, just broken USB :( Apr 01 12:44:48 fishbulb: like quite a lot of us here :) Apr 01 12:45:00 I'll fix it back in Armenia, when I get home, and give it a gift to my GF :P she loved it after using an iPhone Apr 01 12:45:16 bencoh that's awesome Apr 01 12:45:44 I have 2 others and I won't give up the n900 until it doesn't work, there isn't a better qwerty phone that exists Apr 01 12:46:10 :) Apr 01 12:46:11 * antranigv agrees with fishbulb Apr 01 12:47:15 mine is from 2009 and no problems with usb port Apr 01 12:47:23 qwerty? mine seems to be dvorak. Apr 01 12:47:27 I have one with a broken usb port I got free Apr 01 12:47:39 should I diassamble and re assamble ? Apr 01 12:47:43 where can i get free n900? Apr 01 12:47:49 Maxdamantus: haha seriously? Apr 01 12:47:55 the bodeys? Apr 01 12:47:56 antranigv: needs soldering skills Apr 01 12:48:02 fishbulb: only in software. Apr 01 12:48:06 its physical damage Apr 01 12:48:45 dvorak is such an intuitive system, I wonder who repressed that Apr 01 12:49:10 typing machine producers Apr 01 12:50:41 ok, borderlands time, bbl Apr 01 12:52:43 hmm, one-handed dvorak on n900 actually makes sense Apr 01 12:53:25 maybe Apr 01 12:54:32 guys I have a nokia charger, but it get's in the port, like hardly, should I use more soft one? Apr 01 12:56:10 I don't think one-handed Dvorak would make sense. Apr 01 12:56:41 it'd probably be more efficient to make a one-handed input system using the touchscreen. Apr 01 12:58:59 I once calculated the efficiency of a (two-hand) Dvorak-inspired alternative to the numberpad typing thing Apr 01 12:59:27 Maxdamantus: hm, think so ? Apr 01 12:59:36 dunno Apr 01 13:00:19 holding the N900 with the keypad out with one hand itself is difficult. Apr 01 13:03:34 1 min remaning Apr 01 13:04:39 8 sec Apr 01 13:04:41 done Apr 01 13:04:42 (: Apr 01 13:05:07 time to do it! Apr 01 13:06:27 yes! Apr 01 13:08:09 CMT flashed successfully Apr 01 13:08:14 done? Apr 01 13:08:21