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Apr 05 07:21:04 <KotCzarny> grammoboy: convert, hehe
Apr 05 07:21:24 <KotCzarny> oops, he's not here
Apr 05 09:26:31 <grammoboy> it seems my 2nd hand n900 has some widget/app installed which checks how many hours it has etc.
Apr 05 09:26:45 <grammoboy> I want to remove it, but have no idea of the name of that app...
Apr 05 09:26:50 <KotCzarny> ?
Apr 05 09:30:30 <grammoboy> it's a battery app
Apr 05 09:30:49 <KotCzarny> dpkg -l|grep -i batte
Apr 05 09:34:14 <grammoboy> http://fpaste.org/207342/82264481/
Apr 05 09:34:45 <grammoboy> bme-rx-51  probably
Apr 05 09:34:55 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 05 09:35:08 <KotCzarny> batterygraph
Apr 05 09:35:15 <KotCzarny> this is the most likely
Apr 05 09:35:22 <KotCzarny> status-area-applet-battery
Apr 05 09:35:24 <KotCzarny> or this
Apr 05 09:35:41 <KotCzarny> also, your paste looks cut
Apr 05 09:37:10 <grammoboy> status-area-applet-battery is default maemo app i think
Apr 05 09:37:54 <KotCzarny> right, then remove batterygraph
Apr 05 09:38:01 <grammoboy> that one is not installed
Apr 05 09:38:09 <Pali> heya, I have fix for this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2141
Apr 05 09:38:11 <povbot> 04Bug 2141: Allow setting priority in Jabber/GTalk
Apr 05 09:38:14 <Pali> is somebody interested in testing?
Apr 05 09:38:21 <Pali> :-)
Apr 05 09:39:08 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 05 09:39:18 <KotCzarny> then paste dpkg -l
Apr 05 09:40:31 <Pali> freemangordon ^^^^
Apr 05 09:49:56 <grammoboy> http://fpaste.org/207347/27385142/
Apr 05 09:55:28 <grammoboy> wow this a nice mpd client app for N900 https://github.com/jmechnich/qmpc
Apr 05 09:55:36 <KotCzarny> i prefer oscp
Apr 05 09:55:44 <KotCzarny> multiplatform, flexible, easy navigation
Apr 05 09:55:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 05 09:57:18 <KotCzarny> and low on resources
Apr 05 09:57:25 <KotCzarny> and high on features
Apr 05 09:57:53 <grammoboy> I filed a bug on qmpc yesterday, to be able to choose outputs, it's been done already
Apr 05 09:57:56 <grammoboy> :)
Apr 05 09:58:24 <grammoboy> so I get the sound out of my N900 and/or my RPI connected to my audio installation
Apr 05 09:58:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 05 09:58:59 <grammoboy> N900 is still alive :)
Apr 05 09:59:05 <KotCzarny> i run oscp-core on my pc connected to hifi and remote on n900
Apr 05 09:59:20 <KotCzarny> and when im on the go i run oscp-core on n900 and run remote on n900
Apr 05 09:59:21 <grammoboy> glad I bought my third n900 yesterday on ebay
Apr 05 09:59:24 <KotCzarny> or just use ncurses
Apr 05 10:00:08 <grammoboy> but in the second case you play music from the n900 itself?
Apr 05 10:00:13 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 05 10:00:32 <grammoboy> ok, I play music from my NAS in both cases
Apr 05 10:00:34 <KotCzarny> both core and remote can run on maemo and on pc
Apr 05 10:00:51 <KotCzarny> and you can even run remote on windows pygtk
Apr 05 10:01:02 <KotCzarny> is your nas running linux?
Apr 05 10:01:12 <grammoboy> yes
Apr 05 10:01:15 <KotCzarny> x86 or arm?
Apr 05 10:01:25 <grammoboy> x86
Apr 05 10:01:32 <KotCzarny> then you can run oscp core there
Apr 05 10:01:41 <KotCzarny> and control via pc or n900
Apr 05 10:02:12 <grammoboy> I  keep it in mind, but atm I'm happy with Volumio on my RPI, using mpd
Apr 05 10:02:14 <KotCzarny> or via ssh/screen/ncurses
Apr 05 10:02:30 <KotCzarny> i disliked media library idea
Apr 05 10:02:51 <KotCzarny> and was missing simple player that i can just point to some directory and play everything inside
Apr 05 10:03:08 <KotCzarny> that's why oscp was born
Apr 05 10:03:24 <KotCzarny> almost any player tries to scan your whole drives for files
Apr 05 10:03:49 <KotCzarny> and when you have milions of them it sucks, especially when you only want to play one dir
Apr 05 10:04:22 <grammoboy> sounds nice
Apr 05 10:04:35 <KotCzarny> it is, simple, yet effective
Apr 05 10:04:56 <KotCzarny> and you just navigate with cursor keys
Apr 05 10:05:34 <grammoboy> did you saw my paste?
Apr 05 10:05:40 <grammoboy> http://fpaste.org/207347/27385142/
Apr 05 10:05:41 <KotCzarny> im looking at it
Apr 05 10:05:53 <grammoboy> ok :)
Apr 05 10:10:23 <KotCzarny> hm, cant see anything suspicious
Apr 05 10:10:40 <KotCzarny> can you click that applet and see some 'about' ?
Apr 05 10:11:00 <KotCzarny> you can try posting a screenshot too
Apr 05 10:11:56 <KotCzarny> status-area-applet-battery
Apr 05 10:11:59 <KotCzarny> maybe this one?
Apr 05 10:12:26 <KotCzarny> my version with stock fremantle is 0.1.24+0m5
Apr 05 10:12:35 <KotCzarny> yours is 1.0-9 
Apr 05 10:14:04 <KotCzarny> also, is your sys flashed with some thumb version?
Apr 05 10:24:19 <grammoboy> KotCzarny, yeah thumb version
Apr 05 10:24:47 <KotCzarny> you can try pasting ps axww 
Apr 05 10:24:58 <KotCzarny> and checking crontabs too
Apr 05 10:25:06 <KotCzarny> (crontab -l)
Apr 05 10:25:36 <grammoboy> http://fpaste.org/207353/82295291/
Apr 05 10:26:23 <freemangordon> Pali: do I use that?
Apr 05 10:26:37 <Pali> yes, now testing :-)
Apr 05 10:26:43 <freemangordon> I mean - I use google chat
Apr 05 10:26:51 <freemangordon> what am I supposed to test?
Apr 05 10:27:03 <Pali> I will commit changes to github/gitorious and upload also new package to cssu-devel
Apr 05 10:27:08 <freemangordon> ok
Apr 05 10:27:16 <freemangordon> Pali: do you have FB account?
Apr 05 10:27:29 <Pali> test if you can set jabber resource priority in gtalk account dialog
Apr 05 10:27:33 <Pali> and if it is really set
Apr 05 10:27:38 <Pali> no FB account
Apr 05 10:27:40 <freemangordon> ok
Apr 05 10:27:43 <freemangordon> will do
Apr 05 10:28:30 <merlin1991> freemangordon: pong ;)
Apr 05 10:29:32 <KotCzarny> grammoboy: cant see anything, crontab -l and screenshot maybe
Apr 05 10:41:43 <grammoboy> KotCzarny, http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1428230491.png
Apr 05 10:43:48 <KotCzarny> you know what
Apr 05 10:43:54 <KotCzarny> i think its standard cssu applet
Apr 05 10:43:58 <KotCzarny> http://fpaste.org/207347/27385142/
Apr 05 10:44:13 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1342371
Apr 05 10:44:19 <KotCzarny> bad mouse
Apr 05 10:44:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 05 10:44:49 <KotCzarny> so if you dont like it, downgrade it to stable version etc
Apr 05 10:53:24 <KotCzarny> or maybe its settable somewhere in preferences
Apr 05 10:53:30 <KotCzarny> ask cssu people
Apr 05 10:53:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 05 10:55:17 <grammoboy> ok, thx :)
Apr 05 10:55:31 <grammoboy> scary that new stuff... :)
Apr 05 10:55:36 <KotCzarny> well
Apr 05 10:55:58 <KotCzarny> sometimes it looks busy, but not eating battery much
Apr 05 10:56:17 <grammoboy> yeah I was concerned about sucking battery
Apr 05 10:56:41 <KotCzarny> im using battery-eye to see how fast my battery drains
Apr 05 10:57:09 <grammoboy> I read those apps suck a lot of battery itself
Apr 05 10:57:09 <KotCzarny> easy to spot when i install something that's not well written
Apr 05 10:57:13 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 05 10:57:22 <KotCzarny> i have battery-eye installed for many months now
Apr 05 10:57:28 <KotCzarny> and it's very well behaving
Apr 05 10:57:34 <grammoboy> hm
Apr 05 10:57:41 <KotCzarny> usually grabs battery status only when YOU do something
Apr 05 10:57:49 <KotCzarny> like unlocking screen etc
Apr 05 10:59:17 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/battery-eye/
Apr 05 10:59:19 <KotCzarny> The data collection process is designed for minimal impact on system performance and battery life.
Apr 05 11:37:34 <ceene> talking about batteries, i assume the answer to this is "no", but is it normal for my n900 to be consuming ~200mA on plane mode?
Apr 05 11:38:16 <ceene> i can't get it to last more than 6 or 8 hours, and I now for sure that a couple months ago I was only charging the battery once a day
Apr 05 11:38:25 <ceene> now i need to charge it at least twice :/
Apr 05 11:38:39 <ceene> (200mA number as reported by bnf)
Apr 05 11:39:53 <freemangordon> ceene: not normal, check for a runaway process
Apr 05 11:40:30 <ceene> i've been using top to search for high consuming cpu process
Apr 05 11:40:35 <ceene> but i can't see anything out of the ordinary
Apr 05 11:40:42 <ceene> Xorg is using 2% of CPU
Apr 05 11:40:47 <ceene> and that's the top process
Apr 05 11:40:53 <freemangordon> that's normal
Apr 05 11:41:03 <ceene> sometimes mce goes up a bit
Apr 05 11:41:08 <freemangordon> anything in dmesg or syslog?
Apr 05 11:41:11 <ceene> but i don't see anything strange
Apr 05 11:41:38 <freemangordon> I mean - anything suspicios
Apr 05 11:41:50 <freemangordon> suspicious even
Apr 05 11:41:55 <ceene> none that i recognize as out of the ordinary
Apr 05 11:42:13 <freemangordon> did you try to power-down the device and remove the battery?
Apr 05 11:42:21 <ceene> uhm, nop
Apr 05 11:42:23 <ceene> that can help?
Apr 05 11:42:28 <freemangordon> try it
Apr 05 11:42:33 <ceene> ok :)
Apr 05 11:42:43 <ceene> i've powered it down before a couple of times, but i've never removed the battery
Apr 05 11:43:29 <freemangordon> anyway, the idle consumption should be between 3-4 and 40-70 mA, depending on what is running as applications and which radio is enabled
Apr 05 11:43:51 <freemangordon> on wifi only the standby time is about a week
Apr 05 11:44:33 <freemangordon> ceene: put the startup log on pastebin after the reboot, so I can check if anything looks abnormal
Apr 05 11:45:32 <ceene> ok
Apr 05 11:45:39 <ceene> but that you mean dmesg or something else?
Apr 05 11:45:41 <ceene> by
Apr 05 11:46:04 <freemangordon> (partial) syslog
Apr 05 11:47:35 <ceene> ok, it's booting now
Apr 05 11:55:47 <ceene> i'm cutting syslog
Apr 05 11:57:12 <ceene> http://fpaste.org/207359/35005142/
Apr 05 11:57:55 <ceene> i don't see anything strange, though i'm not very knowful of n900 hardware, so lots of things I don't understand
Apr 05 11:58:38 <ceene> it's now connected to a wifi network and gsm enabled (3g icon and good coverage), bnf still reports 221mA
Apr 05 12:01:31 <Sicelo> no PSM on the wifi network? tried setting to 2G only & compare?
Apr 05 12:02:21 <ceene> Sicelo: on plane mode with no connection active, bnf reports now 176mA
Apr 05 12:02:50 <KotCzarny> ceene, check crontab
Apr 05 12:03:03 <KotCzarny> and no, 200mA is much too much
Apr 05 12:03:30 <KotCzarny> it should be ~10mA
Apr 05 12:03:38 <KotCzarny> (when idle and blanked)
Apr 05 12:03:49 <ceene> there are no cron jobs
Apr 05 12:04:10 <KotCzarny> also what sicelo said, do you have wifi all the time?
Apr 05 12:04:42 <ceene> usually yes, but even when wifi is off, consumption is around 170~1180mA
Apr 05 12:04:51 <KotCzarny> then something runs
Apr 05 12:04:58 <ceene> yep, but i don't know what...
Apr 05 12:04:58 <KotCzarny> did you install anything new lately
Apr 05 12:05:02 <ceene> top doesn't report anything
Apr 05 12:05:12 <ceene> none that i can remember :/
Apr 05 12:05:15 <KotCzarny> you can also run ps axww periodically and check for differences
Apr 05 12:05:21 <ceene> but most probably yes
Apr 05 12:05:30 <KotCzarny> in hopes you can catch the offender
Apr 05 12:05:39 <KotCzarny> also, run powertop
Apr 05 12:05:44 <KotCzarny> and pastebin it 
Apr 05 12:06:58 <ceene> http://fpaste.org/207360/
Apr 05 12:07:01 <ceene> this is powertop outpout
Apr 05 12:08:57 <ceene> uhm
Apr 05 12:09:12 <ceene> i believe it's now behaving like it's supposed to
Apr 05 12:09:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 05 12:09:25 <KotCzarny> still, many interrupts
Apr 05 12:09:30 <KotCzarny> Total wakeups   498,  16.6/s | IRQ  416,  13.9/s | Timers   82,   2.7/s
Apr 05 12:09:32 <KotCzarny> this is mine
Apr 05 12:09:36 <KotCzarny> Total wakeups  3583, 119.4/s | IRQ 2874,  95.8/s | Timers  709,  23.6/s
Apr 05 12:09:38 <KotCzarny> this is yours
Apr 05 12:09:42 <ceene> yep
Apr 05 12:09:43 <ceene> that's a lot
Apr 05 12:10:09 <KotCzarny> check with wifi off
Apr 05 12:11:02 <ceene> which should be screen consumption?
Apr 05 12:11:13 <KotCzarny> screen consumption wont show there
Apr 05 12:11:29 <ceene> i know, but i can switch off screen
Apr 05 12:11:32 <ceene> and execute bnf
Apr 05 12:11:45 <KotCzarny> you can run in terminal
Apr 05 12:11:46 <ceene> it read something like 45mA
Apr 05 12:11:54 <KotCzarny> ie. sleep 10; powertop
Apr 05 12:12:00 <ceene> with screen on, it's 230mA or so
Apr 05 12:12:05 <ceene> it varies, of course
Apr 05 12:12:21 <KotCzarny> i use bq27200.sh
Apr 05 12:12:37 <KotCzarny> to check current power consumption 
Apr 05 12:12:49 <ceene> with wifi off
Apr 05 12:12:54 <ceene> Total wakeups 578
Apr 05 12:13:07 <KotCzarny> a bit less
Apr 05 12:13:09 <KotCzarny> Total wakeups  3583, 119.4/s | IRQ 2874,  95.8/s | Timers  709,  23.6/s
Apr 05 12:13:14 <KotCzarny> that was your with wifi on
Apr 05 12:13:20 <ceene> yep
Apr 05 12:13:28 <KotCzarny> Total wakeups   498,  16.6/s | IRQ  416,  13.9/s | Timers   82,   2.7/s
Apr 05 12:13:37 <ceene> so, wifi takes a lot of power
Apr 05 12:13:38 <KotCzarny> and its almost the same as mine with wifi on
Apr 05 12:13:46 <KotCzarny> check your ap
Apr 05 12:13:49 <KotCzarny> maybe change the channel
Apr 05 12:14:07 <KotCzarny> could be the ehter noise waking chip too much
Apr 05 12:14:24 <ceene> they're about 1 meter from each other
Apr 05 12:14:38 <KotCzarny> doesnt matter
Apr 05 12:14:56 <KotCzarny> if anything else runs on the same channel it have to wake up and check if the packets are for you
Apr 05 12:15:28 <KotCzarny> and retransmissions in case of collisions
Apr 05 12:15:32 <ceene> when I installed this router i checked and chose least populated channel
Apr 05 12:15:35 <ceene> of course it 
Apr 05 12:15:37 <KotCzarny> check now
Apr 05 12:15:40 <ceene> of course it may have changed
Apr 05 12:15:43 <KotCzarny> maybe new neighbours
Apr 05 12:17:08 <ceene> maybe, but probably it's all pretty much saturated anyhow
Apr 05 12:17:22 <KotCzarny> but populated != used
Apr 05 12:20:31 <ceene> i'm choosing a new channel
Apr 05 12:23:31 <ceene> Total wakeups  1018,  33.9/s | IRQ  795,  26.5/s | Timers  223,   7.4/s
Apr 05 12:23:33 <ceene> o_O
Apr 05 12:23:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 05 12:23:50 <KotCzarny> magic!
Apr 05 12:23:54 <ceene> :P
Apr 05 12:23:59 <ceene> i'll have to check on the workplace too
Apr 05 12:24:23 <ceene> but i still think there may be something else
Apr 05 12:24:25 <KotCzarny> but remember, other people factor is a random one
Apr 05 12:25:04 <ceene> my impression is that i'm charging more than twice as much as a couple months ago
Apr 05 12:25:23 <KotCzarny> do you have other n900s?
Apr 05 12:25:34 <ceene> even when i left the phone on, but with all connections disabled during the night, it seems to waste too much energy
Apr 05 12:25:37 <ceene> nop
Apr 05 12:25:43 <ceene> you people are collectors or something! :P
Apr 05 12:25:57 <ceene> this is my first n900, bought a year ago or so
Apr 05 12:26:05 <ceene> the very first thing i did was replacing the battery
Apr 05 12:26:22 <KotCzarny> i have also noticed that sometimes gsm network goes wild and phone starts searching and discharges battery in one night
Apr 05 12:26:24 <ceene> i don't where it came from but that battery only lasted for a couple hours or so
Apr 05 12:26:37 <ceene> yep, but that can be the case since i put it in plane mode
Apr 05 12:26:47 <ceene> so there's some vampire inside
Apr 05 12:26:55 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: what 'wildness'? :)
Apr 05 12:27:09 <KotCzarny> sicelo: network noise
Apr 05 12:27:21 <KotCzarny> which causes chip to search for networks too often
Apr 05 12:27:47 <Sicelo> ok. you can try as root: pnatd .. then AT+CFUN=)
Apr 05 12:27:50 <ceene> yep, that happens a lot on low coverage areas
Apr 05 12:27:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 05 12:28:00 <Sicelo> AT+CFUN=0 rather
Apr 05 12:28:15 <KotCzarny> ceene: but can also happen in city, if someone turns unregistered machine
Apr 05 12:28:26 <KotCzarny> that produces noise on ALL bands
Apr 05 12:28:36 <ceene> well, yes
Apr 05 12:28:47 <KotCzarny> electric engines, microwaves, portable phones
Apr 05 12:29:21 <KotCzarny> ceene: i usually charge once per 5-7 days
Apr 05 12:29:27 <KotCzarny> and my battery is 6 years old
Apr 05 12:29:36 <KotCzarny> but im not using n900 much
Apr 05 12:29:40 <ceene> maybe it's that
Apr 05 12:30:39 <ceene> with screen on, i.e. actively using the phone, bnf reports around 250~300mA
Apr 05 12:30:51 <KotCzarny> yeah, screen eats much
Apr 05 12:31:06 <ceene> with screen off, and new wifi channel it now reports about 13mA
Apr 05 12:31:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 05 12:31:17 <ceene> so I guess idling will last quite a lot
Apr 05 12:31:22 <ceene> but intensive use is such a killer
Apr 05 12:31:42 <KotCzarny> as long your neighbours ap wont change its channel again
Apr 05 12:32:01 <KotCzarny> buy double capacity battery
Apr 05 12:32:01 <ceene> do you if 3g is better for battery life than wifi?
Apr 05 12:32:07 <KotCzarny> 2200-2600mAh
Apr 05 12:32:13 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 05 12:32:21 <KotCzarny> i even switched to 2g
Apr 05 12:32:33 <KotCzarny> because it has better coverage here
Apr 05 12:32:42 <KotCzarny> (ie. fewer network searches)
Apr 05 12:34:21 <ceene> i'm going to have to reach a compromise between bandwidth, data rates and battery life
Apr 05 12:34:34 <ceene> double capacity batteries aren't much expensive?
Apr 05 12:34:41 <ceene> and much bigger :/
Apr 05 12:40:29 <ceene> by the way, apart from being free software, is there an advantage on using pali's bme replacement?
Apr 05 12:41:17 <ceene> (or disadvantage)
Apr 05 12:42:53 <Pali> support for usb host mode
Apr 05 12:43:08 <Pali> better software for power management
Apr 05 12:43:18 <Pali> we heard that nokia BME is toxic
Apr 05 12:43:45 <Pali> and it probably has some buffer overflow or so... (sending commands via i2c bus to non existant device...)
Apr 05 12:44:12 <ceene> thank you, Pali 
Apr 05 12:44:18 <ceene> i'll be upgrading then :)
Apr 05 12:44:26 <ceene> most probably later today after lunch
Apr 05 12:44:55 <ceene> see ya, thanks to all of you!
Apr 05 13:51:46 <ceene> well, nothing seems broken
Apr 05 13:52:12 <ceene> that's a nice start :)
Apr 05 13:54:59 <antranigv> when you disable a repo from HAM, what does it do ?
Apr 05 13:55:26 <antranigv> just comment in srouces.list? or more?
Apr 05 13:56:09 <antranigv> cz I manualy disabled the extras-devel, but HAM was showing, but it didn't get stuck this time (: so I disabled it.
Apr 05 14:06:49 <KotCzarny> pali: i use stock fremantle for 6 years
Apr 05 14:07:00 <KotCzarny> didnt notice anything toxic 
Apr 05 14:07:25 <Pali> antranigv: yes, it delete it from sources.lists
Apr 05 14:07:53 <Pali> KotCzarny: because you did not run strace or similar logging from linux kernel...
Apr 05 14:08:05 <KotCzarny> yes, but my uptime is usually months
Apr 05 14:08:49 <KotCzarny> so even if it does something weird, works good enough
Apr 05 17:49:05 <KotCzarny> http://i.imgur.com/eK9M9Qx.jpg
Apr 05 17:49:07 <KotCzarny> do want.
Apr 05 17:55:14 <scottc> 200GB seems a bit weird, why not a power of two like 256?
Apr 05 17:55:38 <Pali> its GiB or GB? :D
Apr 05 17:55:57 <KotCzarny> most likely GB
Apr 05 17:56:01 <KotCzarny> still, do want
Apr 05 17:56:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 05 18:33:42 <kerio> scottc: because there's probably a ton of reallocatable sectors
Apr 05 18:33:55 <kerio> the raw flash is probably 256GB
Apr 05 18:34:20 <KotCzarny> i bet it's smaller than that
Apr 05 18:34:31 <KotCzarny> 256 would be sold as 240
Apr 05 18:35:26 <kerio> mh
Apr 05 18:35:35 <kerio> well, they did make a 256GB one
Apr 05 18:35:36 <KotCzarny> unless they really went playing safe
Apr 05 18:35:51 <kerio> but that's probably 256 * 10^9 bytes
Apr 05 18:35:55 <KotCzarny> or use unavailable sectors for speed
Apr 05 18:36:05 <KotCzarny> (internal journal maybe)
Apr 05 18:37:39 <kerio> KotCzarny: well, it's quite a bit of memory crammed inside a really tiny space
Apr 05 18:37:47 <KotCzarny> tru dat
Apr 05 18:37:48 <kerio> maybe they weren't confident about their production process for the first runs
Apr 05 18:39:02 <KotCzarny> still, it's amazing
Apr 05 18:39:41 <KotCzarny> amazingly amazing
Apr 05 18:40:18 <KotCzarny> Moreover, the company explained to El Reg that the only reason this is a 200GB device and not 256GB is that at 15nm, the die had reached the maximum size which could be squeezed into the microSD form factor to the specifications and still allow space for SanDisk's control electronics.
Apr 05 20:48:41 <freemangordon> guys, do you know some English dictionary SW in extras?
Apr 05 20:50:55 <Vajb> nope, but maybe some dictionary in ebub format is worth a shot
Apr 05 20:57:40 <freemangordon> Vajb: thanks
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