**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 13 03:00:00 2015 Apr 13 07:31:31 vajb: thx, will take a look Apr 13 07:56:01 good morning :-) Apr 13 07:56:51 recently i spoke with a friend about "the good old n900", and i wanted to show him Apr 13 07:57:21 thus i put it out of the drawer and now email does not seem to work any longer Apr 13 07:57:46 is this some comon thing? Apr 13 07:58:16 well, i dont use app based email only via browser, but may i interest you in my audio player? Apr 13 07:58:35 i have two df.eu accounts and one strato account, both do no longer download emails (imap) and both cannot be used for sending Apr 13 07:59:16 when trying to send it just says "fehler" (english "error") besides the mail in the "post ausgang" (I guess psomething like "outbox"?) Apr 13 07:59:20 unless df.eu changed something (maybe expired certs?) Apr 13 07:59:31 or maybe they have changed ports/protocols Apr 13 07:59:44 pretty sure they dont, Apr 13 07:59:52 check just in case Apr 13 07:59:53 at least strato didnt Apr 13 08:00:28 also, try updating to cssu Apr 13 08:00:40 as that's what's currently most updated (system wise) Apr 13 08:01:22 but as i said, check if they have chenged config (imap/smtp settings) Apr 13 08:02:17 its along time ago when i actually used the n900... in settings => product info it says version: 21.2011.28-1 Apr 13 08:02:46 i compared email settings to those on thunderbird, they seem to be the same Apr 13 08:03:19 but i can imagine, that they might no onger accept ssl3.0 and that thunderbird uses tls 1.2 instead or the like... Apr 13 08:03:38 (without having me changing it... just due to updates) Apr 13 08:04:14 is this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU where i start? Apr 13 08:06:32 yeah, looks like the place to start... Apr 13 08:06:37 thanks KotCzarny ;-) Apr 13 08:06:50 np Apr 13 08:06:54 and remember about oscp Apr 13 08:07:11 (my audio player, multiplatform, core-remote design) Apr 13 08:07:41 i do not think i will use media on the device at all Apr 13 08:08:05 see core-remote part Apr 13 08:08:22 you can install core on htpc connected to your hifi and control it from n900 Apr 13 08:08:26 (or vice versa) Apr 13 08:08:58 but that's assuming you listen to music at all Apr 13 08:09:07 actually rarely Apr 13 08:09:24 it can play videos as well, so you can think of it as a video remote too Apr 13 08:09:24 sometimes, and then it comes off of gpodder :-) Apr 13 08:09:33 :) Apr 13 11:29:49 KotCzarny: ~beasttweaks ;) Apr 13 12:29:10 ~besttweaks Apr 13 12:29:13 ~beasttweaks Apr 13 12:29:14 from memory, beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts Apr 13 12:42:58 this should go here as well Apr 13 12:43:08 downloads.maemo.nokia.com issues: http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d422f4c29 Apr 13 12:43:20 does it work for anyone ? Apr 13 12:54:13 kerio: do you have a backup of /ovi/ ? Apr 13 13:00:22 using the old (akamai) ip address (23.205.83.189) doesnt give anything :/ Apr 13 14:47:17 moin :) Apr 13 15:40:26 hey i'd like to get bluemaemo working Apr 13 15:40:46 so i can use my favourite little keyboard with an andrid tablet Apr 13 15:42:00 it has never worked as a keyboard mouse type thing. i would have thought it used the touchscreen for mouse and keyboard for typing, but i get a useless onscreen keyboard worse than any android one. Apr 13 15:45:15 * Sicelo has never had to use it .. but seems most people are struggling to get it to work Apr 13 15:49:21 works fine Apr 13 15:50:28 fishbulb: search for bluemaemo in maemo.org there is instructions Apr 13 16:02:57 wow, nice Apr 13 16:04:15 Sicelo: got it to work too? :) Apr 13 16:08:26 no. i have no use for it at this time. but happy that it still works. we had someone here past few weeks who struggled .. i don't remember who Apr 13 16:10:41 me either, but i remember trying to help him too Apr 13 16:44:11 hi Apr 13 16:44:39 TMO is been spammed right now Apr 13 16:45:03 is there any mod here? Apr 13 16:46:51 nevermind, everything ok now Apr 13 16:46:54 := Apr 13 16:46:58 :) Apr 13 18:03:42 new modRana is out: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1466493#post1466493 Apr 13 18:04:20 map display should be improved quite a bit on the N900, especially for overlays Apr 13 18:07:57 why my thread at TMO is tagged "spyware" and "telescam" and I can't remove them? Apr 13 18:14:41 looks like it was done by an angry user with 1 post Apr 13 18:54:41 The nokia repos are no longer available. Is there a mirror somewhere? Apr 13 18:56:49 M4rtinK: hi o/ thx for the update to modRana :) Apr 13 18:57:22 Downloading the latest for N900 and my desktop now... Apr 13 19:05:59 sixwheeledbeast: note that the Fedora package repository COPR is not yet updated Apr 13 19:07:03 sixwheeledbeast: but just cloning the release tag should work fine :) Apr 13 19:41:16 is anyone still alive? Apr 13 19:41:46 ~tabletsdev Apr 13 19:41:46 methinks tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads Apr 13 19:42:19 err yer. Apr 13 19:42:34 ooh I see that there are some images still up :) Apr 13 19:42:48 does that means that I can still develop for the n900? Apr 13 19:43:05 sla_erick: yes Apr 13 19:43:07 ~sb Apr 13 19:43:08 extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Apr 13 19:44:31 sixwheeledbeast so the fastest way is to download the image: "Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z" ?? Apr 13 19:45:15 sorry for the stupid question, but is it ready to go? to start writing an example app for the n900? Apr 13 19:47:44 ready to go in what way? Apr 13 19:49:17 I'm actually also looking for a working N900 devel environment Apr 13 19:49:57 autobuilder is fine for building modRana packages, but I'd like to try building some libs and I need a working SDK for that :) Apr 13 19:50:48 M4rtinK: I have a few questions/ideas on modRana if your not busy Apr 13 19:50:58 sixwheeledbeast: sure, go ahead :) Apr 13 19:51:30 k let me find the notes file I had... Apr 13 19:55:07 M4rtinK: ok for starters, how can I update my tiles, say if OSM data has been updated? Apr 13 19:56:06 sixwheeledbeast: using batch download - you can tell it to only download tiles you already have Apr 13 19:56:37 Redownload? Apr 13 19:56:40 on? Apr 13 19:57:18 I think :D Apr 13 19:57:28 I'm trying to remember what "update" does Apr 13 19:57:45 well i tried update and on so I am not sure. Apr 13 19:57:51 I think I remembered Apr 13 19:58:03 update - only download tiles you already have Apr 13 19:58:20 ON -> download all tiles in the area, even those you already have Apr 13 19:58:28 I really need to document this somewhere :) Apr 13 19:59:35 M4rtinK: That makes sense but I have edited OSM and update or on has not resulted in new tiles? Apr 13 20:00:09 if you see the updated tiles in browser Apr 13 20:00:15 modRana should download them Apr 13 20:00:25 with update or ON Apr 13 20:00:47 keep in mind it downloads the base layer if you have map overlay enabled Apr 13 20:00:58 or the current layer if overlay is not enabled Apr 13 20:01:14 Well let me check mapnik on browser again, I know this takes time to update at OSM Apr 13 20:03:36 M4rtinK: there are changes in the browser that are not updating on N900. Apr 13 20:04:40 sixwheeledbeast: that's weird Apr 13 20:05:49 M4rtinK: ok well I'll come back to that. Apr 13 20:07:43 M4rtinK: One useful feature for me would be a "clear" button on the main map GUI, to clear away ANY routes or searches from the screen, without poking through nested windows to clear different things. Apr 13 20:11:41 sixwheeledbeast: yeah, the current ways of doing that are not ideal Apr 13 20:11:57 sixwheeledbeast: but I wonder where it should be placed Apr 13 20:12:14 sixwheeledbeast: as the screen is already quite cluttered, especially when routing Apr 13 20:12:24 M4rtinK: Well, bottom right? Apr 13 20:12:38 that's where the routing buttons are Apr 13 20:12:39 only while routing or search is active? Apr 13 20:13:38 Adjacent the route tools button? Where edit would be Apr 13 20:14:10 I'm thinking about adding a top level menu called Map Apr 13 20:14:24 that would have easy access to switching map layers Apr 13 20:14:36 and could also have a "clear map" button Apr 13 20:15:17 would still be 3 clicks though, but it would be more consistent than the current state Apr 13 20:16:34 I think those two could be combined - have a Map->clear map button in the menu by default Apr 13 20:17:16 and an optional maps screen button that could be enabled from options Apr 13 20:18:25 M4rtinK: sounds good Apr 13 20:18:55 could even be combined with the route buttons when they are displayed to save space Apr 13 20:19:15 although top level menu is getting busy only one space left. Apr 13 20:20:36 well, the menus can be multipage :) Apr 13 20:21:08 but that really should be avoided for the toplevel one :) Apr 13 20:22:31 Then again Route, POI and Search could be merged nicer IMO. Apr 13 20:22:54 yeah, I'm thinking about merging some of them Apr 13 20:23:17 at least "tracklogs" and "log a track" Apr 13 20:23:32 :nod: agreed there Apr 13 20:23:48 should be under "tracklogs" as "list tracklogs" and "record tracklog" Apr 13 20:24:08 maybe others later Apr 13 20:27:15 I was also thinking about giving some order to the toplevel menu items Apr 13 20:27:36 but don't want to destroy peoples muscle memory :) Apr 13 20:34:47 ~ping Apr 13 20:34:48 ~pong Apr 13 20:35:10 hmm M4rtinK sorry internet issues. Apr 13 20:35:22 I would say a "Navigate", "Mode", "Search", "Clear All", "Options", "Download", "Tracks", "Info" and "Exit" would cover all. Apr 13 20:35:31 I mean there are two POI menus already too, on the top level and the options level. Apr 13 20:35:40 I can understand Options level, Navigate Level and Search Level but not top level too, IMO. Apr 13 20:37:10 well, almost anything has an options menu Apr 13 20:37:38 but having a navigate menu that contains route & poi items could work :) Apr 13 20:43:21 M4rtinK: I think so. :) Apr 13 20:45:03 M4rtinK: Ok next question is themes? How easy is it to add one? Could you put an Orange one in to match "Digital Nature" N900 theme? Apr 13 20:47:13 sixwheeledbeast: made a note how the top level menu reorganization could look like: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues/89 Apr 13 20:47:25 :) Apr 13 20:47:46 sixwheeledbeast: it's basically just a single configuration file & bunch of images Apr 13 20:48:24 sixwheeledbeast: I think you can easily do a new theme :) Apr 13 20:48:52 more or less Apr 13 20:49:01 cd /opt/modrana/themes Apr 13 20:49:10 cp night orange Apr 13 20:49:16 M4rtinK: So what's to stop the images being the same and the colours changing via a GUI? Example: Theme > Silica > Select Colour? Apr 13 20:49:39 and start tweaking the theme.conf Apr 13 20:50:10 that would work in principle Apr 13 20:50:18 M4rtinK: I have made a Orange theme on my desktop version, editing all the "red" items in theme.conf to "orange" Apr 13 20:50:55 Theme to me equals layout not colour if that makes sense? Apr 13 20:50:59 nice :) Apr 13 20:51:41 well, it's pretty much just color definitions in modRanas case Apr 13 20:52:17 BTW, it should be possible to package modRana themes as individual packages :) Apr 13 20:52:59 So maybe a few themes with basic colour picker options would be good. This would save the need for theme packages. Apr 13 20:53:02 there even already is one, but I'm not sure if it actually still works Apr 13 20:53:22 two things are needed for that Apr 13 20:53:25 IMO theme packages clutter the repos. Apr 13 20:53:30 a UI for changing the colors Apr 13 20:53:39 and a way of making the changes persistent Apr 13 20:53:41 But I can see the reason behind them Apr 13 20:54:10 :nod: Apr 13 20:54:18 yeah, people should have the option of installing them Apr 13 20:54:28 so that apps don't have to bundle everything by default Apr 13 20:55:27 another issue with the persistence is, that the theme files are read-only at runtime Apr 13 20:55:39 as they are installed at package installation time Apr 13 20:56:04 so some sort of override would need to be supported in a user writable folder Apr 13 20:56:26 that would be used when people start fiddling with the colors Apr 13 20:58:11 M4rtinK: but you can make a new theme and restart modRana then use it? Apr 13 20:58:25 sixwheeledbeast: yep, that's already possible Apr 13 20:58:33 ...I think :) Apr 13 20:59:31 Well that's what I did on the desktop anyway, I didn't want to play with my N900 .conf files. Apr 13 20:59:54 yep, just did it on my N900 Apr 13 21:00:06 cp -r red orange Apr 13 21:00:20 and a new orange theme shows up in Options Apr 13 21:01:06 BTW, I think the themes menu in Options should use a multiple item selector, not toggle Apr 13 21:02:06 https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues/90 :) Apr 13 21:04:02 :) Apr 13 21:04:19 BTW, looking at the code you can already sorta do live editing Apr 13 21:04:42 it loads the theme config every time the theme is switched Apr 13 21:05:14 so if you edit it and switch to another theme and back the changes should show up at once Apr 13 21:05:22 no need to restart modRana Apr 13 21:05:42 Well I hacked the theme and cp'ed the red and made an orange. Oh no restart :) Apr 13 21:06:04 I suppose this will persist a package update? Apr 13 21:09:06 I think it should Apr 13 21:09:32 but keep a copy just in case :) Apr 13 21:09:46 or symlink it from a safe location :) Apr 13 21:10:02 M4rtinK: I just spotted the bottom left box on the map window is non-themeable :) Apr 13 21:10:27 yep, that's another area in need of improvement Apr 13 21:10:45 and I'm sure there are more elements like this Apr 13 21:11:37 sixwheeledbeast: could you maybe note all such unthemable items somewhere ? Apr 13 21:11:57 M4rtinK: I only found that one Apr 13 21:12:13 but I will let you know :) Apr 13 21:12:29 I'll make an issue for that :) Apr 13 21:12:32 Oh the zoom arrows too. Apr 13 21:13:50 M4rtinK: zoom arrows, search text. Apr 13 21:14:08 search text ? Apr 13 21:14:44 make a search for a place and the text and point is "blue" Apr 13 21:15:24 oh, you mean the point markers Apr 13 21:16:50 M4rtinK: yer but I realises the POI's are Green and the Search is Blue Apr 13 21:17:47 sure, but there should be separate options for POI & Green colors Apr 13 21:17:50 eh Apr 13 21:17:55 POI & search colors Apr 13 21:18:44 seperate options? Apr 13 21:19:27 that the theme should have separate color constants for search result points and POI points Apr 13 21:20:03 so that those two sorts could be themed separately Apr 13 21:21:54 Ok, so that's another enhancement or available already? Apr 13 21:23:49 ah, issues/92 Apr 13 21:24:44 it should be relatively easy to fix once I know all the places where theming is not applied Apr 13 21:25:18 Ok a few more things ... :) Apr 13 21:25:42 Is it possible to display the current zoom level on the map GUI? Apr 13 21:26:18 Take the desktop version for example there is no hildon banners to display the level, you have to check in downloads. Apr 13 21:26:39 good point! Apr 13 21:26:49 I say desktop version but well I mean on a desktop. Apr 13 21:27:34 I think that desktop usage enhancements are quite important Apr 13 21:27:47 even though the UI is primarily optimized for touch usage Apr 13 21:28:15 it is still really handy to have modRana on desktop :) Apr 13 21:28:35 M4rtinK: also the messages that do happen on the desktop hang around until you zoom in or out. Apr 13 21:28:50 I think the zoomlevel could be displayed on the scale indicator Apr 13 21:29:11 like "60 m (zl 15 Apr 13 21:29:13 ) Apr 13 21:29:40 which messages ? Apr 13 21:30:12 "all search results cleared" for example. Yes I think Zoom Level can be (L15) adj the scale bar Apr 13 21:31:09 Also these messages are not themed either ;) Apr 13 21:31:43 oops :D Apr 13 21:32:39 They don't appear on the N900 version AFAIK Apr 13 21:33:23 No they are hildon banners there. Apr 13 21:33:28 modRana uses the system notifications Apr 13 21:33:30 on N900 Apr 13 21:33:31 yep Apr 13 21:33:48 those blue ones are built-in "fallback" ones Apr 13 21:34:10 :nod: Apr 13 21:34:22 it might make sense to use a desktop notification API Apr 13 21:34:35 at least when the modRana window is out of focus Apr 13 21:35:40 maybe, they are fine but annoying that you have to refresh the map to get rid. Glad the zoom level doesn't pop up too that would be awkward :D Apr 13 21:36:13 the SIM issue is starting to hunt my 2 N900s :( Apr 13 21:36:45 RiD: paper in the battery tray trick? Apr 13 21:36:54 one of them no longer accepts any SIM, always gives an error, the other one failed once, had to reboot Apr 13 21:37:07 never tried the paper, but i did try bending the pins Apr 13 21:37:40 M4rtinK: yeah, that's N900 specific on purpose :) Apr 13 21:37:45 sixwheeledbeast: ^^ Apr 13 21:37:57 as the Hildon banners are less obtrusive Apr 13 21:38:16 RiD: If bending pins and paper in the tray fails you device is probably parts only I am afraid Apr 13 21:38:16 is also serves as feedback when using the vole keys for zooming Apr 13 21:38:21 M4rtinK: :nod: Apr 13 21:38:25 sigh Apr 13 21:38:26 *volume Apr 13 21:38:36 guess I can use it as a hammer Apr 13 21:39:02 (right now i'm using the SIM failed one as some sort of iPod) Apr 13 21:39:05 RiD: neo900.org new motherboard eventually Apr 13 21:39:41 too expensive, I have other priorities right now, so I'm sticking with my N900s as much as possible Apr 13 21:39:48 dont bend the pins :( Apr 13 21:40:02 RiD: I understand Apr 13 21:40:09 but i'm going to try the paper one, did not remember of that Apr 13 21:40:20 a third n900 might be an option Apr 13 21:40:27 i do have a 3rd one LOL Apr 13 21:40:33 :] Apr 13 21:40:35 parts only, was sort of a scam Apr 13 21:40:46 meh Apr 13 21:40:46 M4rtinK: least query before I investigate my tiles issue... Apr 13 21:40:50 last* Apr 13 21:41:16 the body is in horrible conditions, it boots to the NOKIA logo, then shuts down. You even see the screen "fading out" slowly, like some gameboys did Apr 13 21:41:46 tried USB, it was solid but could never get it to being detected Apr 13 21:41:51 wtf Apr 13 21:42:06 M4rtinK: On starting modRana with no fix the tiles do not load, do you need a fix before the tiles will display? Apr 13 21:42:27 how does modrana compare to marble these days ? Apr 13 21:42:35 (perfs, fonctionalities ...) Apr 13 21:42:55 never used marble Apr 13 21:43:26 bencoh: it is still being developed for mobile devices #unlike Marble :) Apr 13 21:43:37 err :) Apr 13 21:43:52 right ... true :) Apr 13 21:44:23 bencoh: also I found the Marbel UI kinda chaotic on the N900 and N9 (?) Apr 13 21:45:04 probably not the best they could've come with, but not that bad Apr 13 21:45:10 sure, modRana does not have a map projected on sphere, but actually works :) Apr 13 21:45:48 the only things that bothers me with it is the freaking slow/broken offline fuzzy search Apr 13 21:45:56 Just tried the paper trick, nope. Boots, and instead of asking for pin, it says that all functions are disabled (...) Apr 13 21:46:06 bencoh: Marble has that ? Apr 13 21:46:07 offline exact search works well, online search (fuzzy by default) too Apr 13 21:46:10 yeah Apr 13 21:46:10 Would be nice to view the map while waiting for a GPS fix, for example. Apr 13 21:46:17 but it's sooo slow you'd think it doesnt Apr 13 21:46:23 it uses the POI database Apr 13 21:46:27 POI/routing Apr 13 21:46:36 (that you can configure/download for monav) Apr 13 21:47:00 BTW, modRana can use Monav data for routing :) Apr 13 21:47:19 I use monav, seems ok. Apr 13 21:47:26 and there is a global data repository for it: http://modrana.org/data/monav/ :) Apr 13 21:47:43 well I have found plenty of map errors with it :( Apr 13 21:48:05 its is as good as the source data :) Apr 13 21:48:35 agreed Apr 13 21:48:47 BTW, I've recently forked Monav: https://github.com/M4rtinK/monav-light :) Apr 13 21:49:04 huh Apr 13 21:49:08 why ? Apr 13 21:49:16 the idea is to cut out all the GUI stuff, daemon/server modes, protocol buffers Apr 13 21:49:24 oh, because monav is dead I guess Apr 13 21:49:54 and just have a simple headless routing utility that consumes JSON input and returns JSON results Apr 13 21:50:08 bencoh: that's another reason Apr 13 21:50:26 bencoh: but it is still the best routing code I've seen so far :) Apr 13 21:51:04 I think even OSRM is based on it Apr 13 21:51:27 but the project itself is unfortunately dead as doornails Apr 13 21:52:28 there is a Sailfish OS port though: https://github.com/tunp/monavsailfish Apr 13 21:53:05 that actually inspired me to start on the monav-light project Apr 13 21:54:32 M4rtinK: so monav-light could be packaged up with modrana? Apr 13 21:55:09 Instead of the current download and drop the files in the monav folder Apr 13 21:55:11 sixwheeledbeast: yep Apr 13 21:55:25 M4rtinK: sweet! Apr 13 21:55:26 either installed as a dependency or bundled Apr 13 21:55:43 data file handling would be the same Apr 13 21:55:59 whoops Apr 13 21:56:07 https://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide Apr 13 21:56:37 well, at least until some sort of download UI is done Apr 13 21:57:04 current plan is to use it on desktop, Sailfish OS and Android Apr 13 21:57:24 I have actually succeeded in compiling it for all three Apr 13 21:57:28 already Apr 13 21:58:22 I don't have a working Maemo 5 SDK so I can't build it for the N900 Apr 13 21:58:25 M4rtinK: how is address to address routing with monav looking, I believe it's not possible for some reason? Apr 13 21:58:47 it does just point to point routing Apr 13 21:58:59 but it has some sort of address lookup support Apr 13 21:59:04 Well I believe ~sb links will point you to a Maemo SDK Apr 13 21:59:37 ~sb Apr 13 21:59:38 i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Apr 13 21:59:40 ~sdk Apr 13 21:59:41 methinks sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt" Apr 13 22:00:11 the offline address search is just not yet exposed in either the old Monav routing server modRana currently uses on the N900 or in monav-light Apr 13 22:00:18 ~sb is the same stuff Apr 13 22:00:18 ...but sb is already something else... Apr 13 22:00:52 :) infobot we know Apr 13 22:00:56 but I plan to add it to monav-light eventually Apr 13 22:01:07 M4rtinK: marble uses monav as well Apr 13 22:01:19 (that's one of the several backends, and the only offline one) Apr 13 22:02:20 sixwheeledbeast: both links are dead :) Apr 13 22:02:25 bencoh: yep, I know Apr 13 22:02:44 bencoh: but Monav by default only exposes routing data Apr 13 22:02:49 M4rtinK: merlin1991.at? Apr 13 22:03:19 bencoh: and only either over a C++ interface or over a protocol buffer based network interface Apr 13 22:03:29 M4rtinK: Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z Apr 13 22:03:38 bencoh: which is a huge overkill & unneeded dependency Apr 13 22:06:30 bencoh: and even that does not expose other data types like adress search (tournament trie) Apr 13 22:06:48 bencoh: that was another reason why I started on the monav-light project Apr 13 22:08:20 sixwheeledbeast: downloading the VM image Apr 13 22:08:29 sixwheeledbeast: do you have any experience with it : Apr 13 22:08:32 sixwheeledbeast: ? Apr 13 22:08:54 M4rtinK: yep it works that's about it... Apr 13 22:09:12 sixwheeledbeast: good to hear that :) Apr 13 22:09:33 I would like to build monav-light Apr 13 22:09:46 and also PyOtherSide for Maemo 5, if possible Apr 13 22:09:55 that would make running the Qt 5 GUI possible Apr 13 22:11:34 M4rtinK: I have a VM with debian and scratchbox build from scratch years ago that I normally use. But I have installed and played with the Ubuntu VM in the last 12 months too. Apr 13 22:12:33 sixwheeledbeast: as long as I can add this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt5-Maemo5 Apr 13 22:12:43 sixwheeledbeast: I should be able to build monav-light Apr 13 22:13:05 monav-light is qt5-based ? Apr 13 22:13:12 (is that still "light" ? ;) Apr 13 22:13:32 bencoh: even "normal" Monav is Qt based Apr 13 22:13:45 even the non GUI stuff Apr 13 22:13:55 M4rtinK: I have a VM with debian and scratchbox build from scratch years ago that I normally use. But I have installed and played with the Ubuntu VM in the last 12 months too. Apr 13 22:14:13 IIRC everything is there, if you know your way about Gnome2 interface then you can switch off locking screensaver too. Apr 13 22:14:18 Which is annoying Apr 13 22:14:23 I think only the most low level routing calculations are "plain" C++ Apr 13 22:14:43 sixwheeledbeast: I'll probably just SSH to it :) Apr 13 22:15:43 bencoh: it is actually quite handy that it is Qt based - I'm for example using the QJsonDocument class introduced in Qt 5 Apr 13 22:15:54 for JSON input/output Apr 13 22:16:26 Qt 5 is basically the only outside dependency Apr 13 22:16:43 so no need to hunt down obscure stuff, compile it and than compile against that Apr 13 22:16:47 help a lot Apr 13 22:16:51 *helps Apr 13 22:17:10 especially with my marginal C++ knowledge :) Apr 13 22:35:47 anyone happen to know what happened to psycho_oreos? Apr 13 22:40:59 ~seen psycho_oreos Apr 13 22:41:16 psycho_oreos <~no@unaffiliated/tuxsavvy> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 477d 7h 40m 4s ago, saying: 'Nevermind, problem seems fixed. Thanks anyways.'. Apr 13 22:41:59 hay guys, how can I find the sources of a program? gTranslate to be more exact. Apr 13 22:44:38 ahh, garage, okey thanks all! (: **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 14 02:59:58 2015