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Apr 16 05:14:01 <freemangordon> so, Nokia repos are down?
Apr 16 06:23:38 <xes> freemangordon: yes, they seem to be gone..
Apr 16 06:26:35 <toerb> xes: yes my subnet has a spam rate of 31.17% ..
Apr 16 06:33:39 <zGrr> moin :)
Apr 16 06:38:54 <xes> toerb: thank you for the confirmation.. Now you know how this subnets users appear from the webservers side
Apr 16 08:52:26 <freemangordon_> xes: too bad. I guess someone should do something about that
Apr 16 08:58:53 <xes> freemangordon_: is xes too bad? :)
Apr 16 09:02:58 <fishbulb> hey does anyone know what on earth I can do with an n9
Apr 16 09:03:08 <fishbulb> anything? there is no support for it and I want to use it for something.
Apr 16 09:03:17 <fishbulb> another os I guess
Apr 16 09:08:11 <fishbulb> hello?
Apr 16 09:08:23 <fishbulb> the stock firmware won't actually do anything
Apr 16 09:08:33 <fishbulb> everything is expired and there's no app store anymore
Apr 16 09:39:06 <kerio> rofl
Apr 16 09:39:11 <kerio> harmattan was kinda crap
Apr 16 09:39:25 <freemangordon_> xes: :)
Apr 16 09:55:52 <KotCzarny> fishbuld, what os n9 uses? linux?
Apr 16 09:56:04 <Luke-Jr> N9 is kinda crap too.
Apr 16 09:56:31 <KotCzarny> luke, its not the hardware, i happily use n800 as a media player
Apr 16 09:56:38 <KotCzarny> it just needs good software
Apr 16 09:58:58 <KotCzarny> and when 128gb sd cards prices drop below 100$ ill use it even more happily
Apr 16 09:59:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 16 10:04:43 <Luke-Jr> disagree. no keyboard = bad hardware
Apr 16 10:05:01 <KotCzarny> you can happily use device with no keyboard with good software
Apr 16 10:20:28 <NotDead> xes: Is something changed in my block status7
Apr 16 10:23:45 <Sicelo> hi
Apr 16 10:24:25 <Sicelo> does someone know a way to manipulate N900's dictonary or even just where it is?
Apr 16 10:33:55 <Sicelo> gotit
Apr 16 10:34:10 <Sicelo> s/tit/i it/
Apr 16 10:34:11 <infobot> Sicelo meant: goi it
Apr 16 10:34:15 <Sicelo> ugh
Apr 16 10:42:21 <xes> NotDead: no. Blacklists are still work in progress since attacks are continuosly polling our systems ...and patience. Please use another ip or for the moment be patient. Thank you for your the comprehension
Apr 16 10:44:57 <NotDead> xes: thank you for helping? I will use zen mate
Apr 16 10:45:44 <NotDead> xes: sorry it was dot not question
Apr 16 14:41:46 <zamn900> hello folks
Apr 16 14:49:36 <zamn900> is anyone having problems with email fetching?
Apr 16 14:49:42 <teotwaki> Just spent some time looking at the liqbase videos
Apr 16 14:49:49 <teotwaki> Fuck me, Gary was epic.
Apr 16 14:50:50 <zamn900> I can't use email from maemo
Apr 16 15:11:24 <KotCzarny> teotwaki: true that
Apr 16 15:19:29 <Sicelo> zamn900: you're setting something wrong. or, if your provider has made changes due to recent ssl bugs, update to CSSU.
Apr 16 15:22:46 <zamn900> am I the only one to get problems? nothing changed as settings but same I can't receive emails... If I try to send using the email client of maemo, I can do it quitely... I am a sort of expert linux user anyway...
Apr 16 15:26:58 <Sicelo> you're probably the only one :)
Apr 16 15:27:09 <zamn900> ok
Apr 16 15:27:11 <Sicelo> i'm sitting with a stack of new emails on my N900
Apr 16 15:27:17 <Sicelo> what's your provider?
Apr 16 15:28:35 <Sicelo> did you test this mailbox with another client, e.g. on pc?
Apr 16 15:29:08 <zamn900> I would test another maemo client
Apr 16 15:33:30 <bencoh> try to connect to your email (imap ?) server using openssl s_client
Apr 16 15:33:44 <bencoh> with and without starttls, on the appropriate port
Apr 16 15:33:58 <bencoh> and check reported protocol (ssl/tls version)
Apr 16 15:34:28 <bencoh> oh and ... which version of maemo/cssu are you using ? same question for tinymail
Apr 16 15:37:32 <zamn900> alright bencoh I will see all of that
Apr 16 15:39:31 <zamn900> idk wich version...
Apr 16 15:40:16 <zamn900> I don't upgrade the repository often
Apr 16 15:53:20 <zamn900> anyway bancoh you know what? I get the trill sound notifying me about a new email anyway but after I push to read and get into it Iget an error message saying that the server does not exist somehow... I get pissed off as I realize that by pc browsing in my gmail account I get all perfectly normal... that's tha issue
Apr 16 15:55:08 <zamn900> oh more precisely it says that the message I am trying to see does not exist in the server anymore
Apr 16 15:56:37 <KotCzarny> maybe it gets 'read' instead of just listing
Apr 16 15:56:48 <KotCzarny> so it gets unavailable somehow
Apr 16 19:15:37 <ecc3g> interesting.  I just got spamblocked from t.m.o... in the middle of reading a web page on t.m.o...
Apr 16 19:17:04 <ecc3g> methinks there's some draconian antispam method that's egregiously flagging ip's as spam...
Apr 16 19:20:59 <KotCzarny> you read too fast, maybe?
Apr 16 19:25:01 <ecc3g> That seems like a silly reason to ban people?
Apr 16 19:34:44 <KotCzarny> im just kidding, im not the admin
Apr 16 19:39:44 <ecc3g> yeah, still think there's some spamcatching rule that's flagging legitimate use
Apr 16 19:40:23 <ecc3g> looks like it was a temp ban...
Apr 16 19:40:27 <ecc3g> weird.
Apr 16 19:53:00 <geher> I try to enter on talk.maemo.org
Apr 16 19:53:14 <geher> But Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist.
Apr 16 19:53:26 <geher> Why?
Apr 16 19:55:28 <ecc3g> heh
Apr 16 19:56:00 <bencoh> :/
Apr 16 19:56:01 <ecc3g> seems the problem is spreading...
Apr 16 19:56:03 <KotCzarny> works here
Apr 16 19:56:06 <KotCzarny> (still)
Apr 16 19:56:34 <ecc3g> it started working for me again, so it looks transient
Apr 16 19:56:39 <KotCzarny> maybe there is some virii/trojan on the loose?
Apr 16 19:56:49 <KotCzarny> and things get hairy
Apr 16 19:56:59 <bencoh> I'm serisously starting to think this (angryadmin) banlist is not really .... relevant :/
Apr 16 19:57:00 <KotCzarny> or maybe there is some caching problem
Apr 16 19:57:27 <ecc3g> without the logs of the admins of the site, one can only guess...
Apr 16 19:57:34 <KotCzarny> yeah
Apr 16 20:37:47 <totalizator> merlin1991: can you remove the tags "telescam" and "spyware" from this thread? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94324
Apr 16 21:02:16 <KotCzarny> totalizator, maybe the company behind the telegram software IS a scam?
Apr 16 21:02:27 <KotCzarny> android app also has negative comments
Apr 16 21:13:45 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: Use the report button on the post in question?
Apr 16 21:45:20 <M4rtinK> server based centralized IM & closed source server == FAIL :)
Apr 16 22:08:02 <antranigv> it's funny cz most of them use XMPP, while anyone can just set their personal server and use OTR (:
Apr 16 22:09:32 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: hi
Apr 16 22:10:06 <KotCzarny> antranigv: but that requires knowledge
Apr 16 22:10:07 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 16 22:10:53 <sixwheeledbeast> I have a few issues with modRana I wanted to run by you.
Apr 16 22:16:58 <antranigv> KotCzarny: I totaly agree, personally, I don't agree for "everyone should use a computer" it's better to know and use, than to not know and use shit :P
Apr 16 22:22:00 <KotCzarny> antranigv: i wrote me an audio player because there was none that can suit my specific needs, and guess what, almost everyone who tried it, liked it
Apr 16 22:22:21 <KotCzarny> so either current player dogma suck, or im a genius 
Apr 16 22:22:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 16 22:22:31 <KotCzarny> (geek genius)
Apr 16 22:24:13 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: sure :)
Apr 16 22:26:18 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: Well I started a batch download and then midway through had to leave home. Even with no internet the download continued counting tiles until complete. No errors where shown but it clearly didn't download the tiles while offline. 
Apr 16 22:29:15 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: what update mode was it in ?
Apr 16 22:29:41 <M4rtinK> but even then, it should have reported errors in any mode
Apr 16 22:30:40 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: Well it's in OFF now but I can't remember if I have changed it since.
Apr 16 22:31:20 <M4rtinK> it might go without errors if you have all the tiles already
Apr 16 22:31:30 <M4rtinK> but that would finish very quickly
Apr 16 22:31:53 <sixwheeledbeast> Also I am definitely not getting updated tiles in any update mode.
Apr 16 22:32:13 <sixwheeledbeast> So for example...
Apr 16 22:34:52 <sixwheeledbeast> I have only really downloaded ZL15 tiles, these are from 6 months ago and I can't seem to update them. However I have up to date ZL16 and 17 since my batch DL yesterday. 
Apr 16 22:35:46 <sixwheeledbeast> I asked it to batch download ZL12-17 by 20km
Apr 16 22:37:15 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: yeah, I tried what it does when downloading without Internet connectivity
Apr 16 22:37:20 <M4rtinK> and it indeed seems broken
Apr 16 22:37:31 <M4rtinK> in the sense that errors are not forwarded
Apr 16 22:37:36 <sixwheeledbeast> ok
Apr 16 22:37:44 <M4rtinK> the log is full of errors
Apr 16 22:38:03 <M4rtinK> could be something similar for the update
Apr 16 22:38:27 <M4rtinK> I'll take a look once I get some free time :)
Apr 16 22:38:37 <sixwheeledbeast> so threads are started and completed but not shown that the tiles aren't being received 
Apr 16 22:38:40 <sixwheeledbeast> thx
Apr 16 22:38:41 <merlin1991> totalizator: I have no powers over tmo, you'll need a tmo mod
Apr 16 22:38:43 <M4rtinK> yep
Apr 16 22:39:12 <M4rtinK> I did quite a lot of changes in batch tile download a few months ago
Apr 16 22:39:31 <M4rtinK> could be that it caused this regression
Apr 16 22:39:51 <M4rtinK> there is a possible workaround until this is fixed
Apr 16 22:40:06 <M4rtinK> you can move the tile folder somewhere
Apr 16 22:40:14 <M4rtinK> then do the batch download
Apr 16 22:40:28 <M4rtinK> move the new tiles somewhere
Apr 16 22:40:33 <M4rtinK> and move the old ones back
Apr 16 22:40:40 <M4rtinK> and then overwrite them by the new ones
Apr 16 22:41:00 <M4rtinK> that should effectively update all old tiles in the download area for the given layer :)
Apr 16 22:41:14 <sixwheeledbeast> sqlite?
Apr 16 22:49:29 * sixwheeledbeast yawns.
Apr 16 22:50:42 <sixwheeledbeast> Any thanks for looking into it. gonna catch some z's
Apr 16 22:56:59 <M4rtinK> that workaround works for files
Apr 16 22:57:17 <M4rtinK> won't be that easy for sqlite tile storage unfortunately
Apr 16 22:57:51 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: maybe with the import script: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/SQLiteTilesImportPerlScriptEN
Apr 16 22:57:59 <M4rtinK> sixwheeledbeast: and also good night :)
Apr 16 23:57:57 <Oksana> What is soft poweroff? The one in powerkey-menu?
Apr 17 01:05:49 * Oksana yawns.
Apr 17 01:06:26 <pentanol> Oksana hi, did you man soft-reset or power-off?
Apr 17 01:07:08 <pentanol> my n900 go sleep after I no touching it 30 sec.
Apr 17 01:08:46 <Oksana> I meant the "Soft poweroff" which can be found in powerkey menu. It has strange effects (like, LED), but no visible purpose?
Apr 17 01:09:03 <Oksana> Maybe, it's called soft-reset, I do not know.
Apr 17 01:09:15 <Oksana> It's not equal to shutdown, obviously.
Apr 17 01:13:11 <pentanol> Oksana what device you has?
Apr 17 01:13:19 <Oksana> N900
Apr 17 01:14:05 <pentanol> on my n900 nokia sleeps automatically is slider is closed and I not touching the screen.
Apr 17 01:14:24 <pentanol> so seems that soft poweroff
Apr 17 01:16:19 <Oksana> Have you seen the powerkey-menu with "Reboot", "Switch off", "Offline mode"/"Normal mode", "General"/"Silent" and so on?
Apr 17 01:21:57 <pentanol> my nokia with Russian interface, I have only Shutdown,Lock,Silent,Phone,Block-screen and Usual mode.
Apr 17 01:22:57 <pentanol> that menu I see after I touch power button on the phone once.
Apr 17 02:39:06 <Oksana> Yes, that menu. Somehow, you do not have soft-poweroff?
Apr 17 02:39:35 <Oksana> Can you pastebin somewhere contents of /etc/systemui/systemui.xml ?
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