**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 25 02:59:59 2015
Apr 25 07:36:58 <lopx> is it possible to dome minor tricks with my n900? I'm sort of new to it
Apr 25 07:37:14 <lopx> trying to spoof a number or something ;p
Apr 25 11:15:53 <sixwheeledbeast^> hmm, dist-upgrade will take about 11 hours on your connection... yawn
Apr 25 11:17:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 25 11:59:12 <sixwheeledbeast^> Wouldn't be surprised if ~2 hours of that was systemd packages
Apr 25 12:01:52 <KotCzarny> switch to normal distro then
Apr 25 12:04:32 <sixwheeledbeast^> define "normal"
Apr 25 12:11:01 <KotCzarny> one without systemd
Apr 25 12:14:15 <scottc> good luck, unless you want to use gentoo or slackware
Apr 25 12:14:25 <KotCzarny> im using slackware
Apr 25 12:14:32 <KotCzarny> since 4.0
Apr 25 12:19:26 <sixwheeledbeast^> KotCzarny: it's fine I can easily replace init with upstart when the dist-upgrade is complete. Well for this release anyway.
Apr 25 12:22:47 <KotCzarny> but the packages are already installed
Apr 25 12:22:57 <KotCzarny> and cluttering the disk
Apr 25 12:24:11 <KotCzarny> and probably are unremovable because of dependency hell
Apr 25 12:47:03 <sixwheeledbeast^> KotCzarny: meh, I agree but my main concern is systemd as init. systemd is already installed anyhow, difficult to fight it and keep the same DE. 
Apr 25 12:49:29 <KotCzarny> you can gompile gnome without it i think
Apr 25 12:49:33 <KotCzarny> (still)
Apr 25 12:49:54 <KotCzarny> i dropped gnome/kde long time ago
Apr 25 12:51:34 <KotCzarny> fluxbox or xfce are much more user friendly
Apr 25 12:51:43 <KotCzarny> and without gigs of deps
Apr 25 13:12:09 <sixwheeledbeast^> I have considered MATE instead of Flashback. As long as systemd isn't init I am happy for now.
Apr 25 13:14:12 <KotCzarny> yeah, but i didnt like it
Apr 25 13:14:20 <KotCzarny> somehow it was too clickyhidy
Apr 25 13:27:05 <sixwheeledbeast^> MATE is now an official "flavour" so will get some support. We will see what happens at the next release and if "upstart-sysv" package is available. 
Apr 25 13:29:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 25 16:33:55 <emma> Dynamit: hey you are here too
Apr 25 21:34:09 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: I got a warning that syslinux was removed, I wonder if that's systemd's doing
Apr 25 21:38:41 <KotCzarny> removing sys* ?
Apr 25 21:43:10 <sixwheeledbeast> Warning, your bootloader had been removed. Was the message in a nutshell...
Apr 25 21:43:26 <Wizzup> yes, systemd has a bootloader now.
Apr 25 21:44:08 <KotCzarny> i wonder if they get their own kernel
Apr 25 21:44:46 <sixwheeledbeast> Well I have grub2 aswell now.
Apr 25 21:45:12 <KotCzarny> i shall learn grub2 syntax one day
Apr 25 21:45:19 <KotCzarny> 1 was simple enough
Apr 25 21:46:30 <sixwheeledbeast> hmmm,still waiting for install to complete and my other downloads and then I can reboot to see WTF has
Apr 25 21:46:37 <sixwheeledbeast> happened
Apr 25 21:46:56 <KotCzarny> prepare usb rescue booter
Apr 25 21:48:10 <sixwheeledbeast> I have a unetbootin USB already, infact that's why I had syslinux in the first place I believe.
Apr 25 21:49:27 * sixwheeledbeast yawns
Apr 25 21:49:48 <sixwheeledbeast> well i'll see in the morning when it's done, gn
Apr 25 21:52:16 <KotCzarny> nn
Apr 25 23:49:35 <Luke-Jr> didn't systemd fork Linux a while ago?
Apr 26 00:19:23 <scottc> Luke-Jr: I think that was an April Fool's joke :)
Apr 26 00:19:56 <scottc> at least, I hope it was...
Apr 26 00:20:53 <Luke-Jr> it's inevitable.
Apr 26 00:21:03 <Luke-Jr> even if it was last time
Apr 26 00:21:32 * Luke-Jr is glad his distro is staying away from systemd
Apr 26 00:24:38 <scottc> slackware?
Apr 26 00:24:42 <scottc> or gentoo?
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 26 02:59:59 2015