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May 25 06:17:42 <pentanol> hi there
May 25 06:18:18 <pentanol> can someone point me to sim toolkit .install file or .deb ?
May 25 06:18:33 <KotCzarny> there is no such thing
May 25 07:14:13 <princefakhan> hello. need a lil help.
May 25 07:14:52 <L29Ah> need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle
May 25 07:15:00 <princefakhan> I have exported my N900 contacts to vcf files. I need to combine them all into one .vcf file
May 25 07:15:21 <princefakhan> L29Ah: lol
May 25 07:15:27 <KotCzarny> cat *.vcf > 00.vcf
May 25 07:15:55 <princefakhan> ohkay! thanks. KotCzarny
May 25 07:15:58 <pentanol> btw, in what directory n900 store phone contact list and\or maybe skype contact-list?
May 25 07:16:38 <princefakhan> somewhere in /home/user/ I guess
May 25 07:17:01 <pentanol> I guess too, I want know right
May 25 07:17:37 <L29Ah> `grep -r` is your friend
May 25 07:18:23 <pentanol> I did it by phone number and get many trash.
May 25 07:18:45 <L29Ah> try contact name
May 25 07:19:06 <L29Ah> phone number must have pulled history entries
May 25 07:19:35 <pentanol> or just make clear all address book?
May 25 07:20:03 <pentanol> clean this out*
May 25 07:20:18 <princefakhan> uh!!
May 25 07:20:20 <princefakhan> END:VCARDcat: can't open '00.vcf': No such file or director
May 25 07:21:07 <pentanol> princefakhan you never use sim menu on yours n900?
May 25 07:23:19 <KotCzarny> princefakhen: did you put space after > ?
May 25 07:25:04 <princefakhan> my bad. I didn't put >
May 25 07:26:18 <princefakhan> it worked. thanks again.
May 25 07:26:40 <KotCzarny> mind you, i dont know the vcard format for multiple entries
May 25 07:26:40 <princefakhan> Now. any idea to export my contacts to SIM
May 25 07:27:24 <pentanol> KotCzarny what button to use '>' ? on my russian version I can't found it.
May 25 07:27:29 <KotCzarny> go to contacts and click on the menu, then look if there is anything sim management related?
May 25 07:27:45 <KotCzarny> pentanol: virtual keyboard, or change key mappings
May 25 07:28:03 <L29Ah> pentanol: ↗+Ctrl
May 25 07:28:38 <princefakhan> there is nothing like that on N900 atleast.
May 25 07:29:58 <pentanol> L29Ah thanks
May 25 07:31:05 <KotCzarny> princefakhen, best you can do is to use another device and bluetooth 
May 25 07:32:06 <princefakhan> well I have an Asha 309 which I'm using for telephony right now.
May 25 07:32:20 <KotCzarny> select all contacts and send via bt
May 25 07:32:23 <princefakhan> I wanted to transfer my contacts to it.
May 25 07:32:30 <KotCzarny> easiest to do
May 25 07:32:39 <princefakhan> then I can copy to simcard too.
May 25 07:32:47 <princefakhan> okay. let me try.
May 25 07:50:51 <princefakhan_> works great. thanks Kotczarny.
May 25 07:51:24 <princefakhan_> guess there should be a wiki for "Managing Contacts"
May 25 07:56:19 <Sicelo> {-0-}: just remember to take regular backups, and make a note of the kernel version used for that backup. it is understood that you should only restore when the kernel is the same.
May 25 08:24:08 <L29Ah> okay, compiling the system in qemu turned out to be a bad idea
May 25 08:24:15 <KotCzarny> :>
May 25 08:24:27 <L29Ah> feels like n900 would do it faster
May 25 08:24:28 <KotCzarny> too fast too furious?
May 25 08:25:19 <KotCzarny> grab some octacore arm machine for a compilation station?
May 25 08:26:35 <L29Ah> nah, a careful building of a crosscompiler is cheaper
May 25 08:26:54 <KotCzarny> wishfull thinking
May 25 08:28:13 <kerio> the problem is that scratchbox is awful
May 25 08:28:22 <kerio> Sicelo: nah, but you need the modules for that kernel
May 25 08:28:24 <kerio> in the backup
May 25 08:28:32 <KotCzarny> the problem is that we have nothing else comparably stable and useful
May 25 08:28:42 <L29Ah> wtf no mtd in /proc/partitions
May 25 08:28:48 <kerio> if you're worried about it, leave `kernel-modules` installed
May 25 08:28:54 <kerio> so the nokia kernel will always work
May 25 08:28:56 <KotCzarny> l29ah: forgot to add the options?
May 25 08:28:58 <kerio> L29Ah: /proc/mtd
May 25 08:29:01 <kerio> surely
May 25 08:29:08 <L29Ah> kerio: :*
May 25 08:29:18 <kerio> you should still be seeing mtdblock* tho
May 25 08:31:07 <L29Ah> musl seems to be working btw
May 25 08:31:23 <KotCzarny> musl?
May 25 08:31:32 <L29Ah> guess i can set up a gentoo chroot to build fresh stuff statically for maemo users :>
May 25 08:31:42 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: a sane libc
May 25 08:32:07 <L29Ah> *statically and automatically
May 25 08:32:09 <KotCzarny> dont build statically, create libs in /opt/musl or something
May 25 08:33:27 <kerio> btw i strongly recommend using openssh 6.8
May 25 08:33:29 <kerio> the thumby one
May 25 08:33:46 <L29Ah> is it in extras-devel?
May 25 08:34:09 <KotCzarny> thumby one needs thumby libs and system
May 25 08:34:31 <kerio> nope
May 25 08:34:36 <kerio> it's a tarball
May 25 08:34:40 <kerio> with ssh installed in /usr/local
May 25 08:34:53 <kerio> i've got so many fucking dpkg-diverts in place now
May 25 08:36:14 <kerio> the other problem is that the latest openssl is not thumby
May 25 08:36:19 <kerio> but it shouldn't matter if you're using the correct ciphers
May 25 08:36:28 <kerio> and keys
May 25 08:36:55 <L29Ah> have anyone measured the space efficiency of thumb vs regular code?
May 25 08:37:21 <kerio> aka ssh-ed25519 keys, curve25519-sha256 key exchange, chacha20-poly1305 cipher
May 25 10:27:38 <Maxdamantus> imo, nix is cool.
May 25 10:28:43 <Maxdamantus> in that, everything sits in /nix.
May 25 10:29:41 * Maxdamantus made a nixpkgs fork recently that was at least able to build nix and git for N900 (had to roll back glibc because of old kernel etc)
May 25 10:35:16 <kerio> wtf is nix
May 25 10:35:56 <Maxdamantus> a purely functional package manager.
May 25 10:36:57 <Maxdamantus> when you build a package, it's stored in a directory in /nix/store/, with a name containing a hash of the build instructions and the hashes of the build dependencies.
May 25 10:38:19 <Maxdamantus> and things refer absolutely to libraries within those build directories.
May 25 10:38:38 <Maxdamantus> so each program will know exactly where in /nix/store the libc it uses is.
May 25 10:38:56 <Maxdamantus> (and so on for other libraries)
May 25 10:40:16 <Maxdamantus> and the database keeps track of runtime dependencies by scanning files for filenames beginning with /nix/store, so you can efficiently copy closures of packages between systems.
May 25 10:41:25 <Maxdamantus> packages can never interfere with other installed packages (when it comes to loading libraries etc from other packages)
May 25 10:50:39 <KotCzarny> isnt it a bit against libraries idea?
May 25 10:51:04 <KotCzarny> that way you could simply compile everything statically
May 25 10:52:08 <kerio> but
May 25 10:52:11 <kerio> muh replication
May 25 10:59:09 <Maxdamantus> Yes, it's sort of like everything's compiled statically in some sense (in the sense that the behaviour doesn't change), but if there's some memory sharing advantage to shared objects, then you still have that.
May 25 11:00:10 <Maxdamantus> memory/storage
May 25 11:03:56 <kerio> between processes of the same "container" only, though
May 25 11:04:08 <Maxdamantus> cross-compilation is still unfortunately lame (if they had designed nixpkgs differently, it could've been basically the best cross-compilation system ever for unix), but it's quite easy running builds using qemu user emulation, since you just build qemu natively and point binfmt to the corrent /nix/store path.
May 25 11:06:12 <Maxdamantus> (then if you want to run ARM binaries in any chroot on the system you just need to make sure /nix is bind-mounted there, no messing with putting static qemus in the right place or copy libcs around)
May 25 11:06:40 <kerio> putting /nix there is literally messing with static qemus in the right place
May 25 11:07:42 <Maxdamantus> Kind of, but it's a standard location, rather than something like /x86_64-to-arm-qemu
May 25 11:08:47 <Wizzup> which you can set through /proc
May 25 11:08:49 <Wizzup> of course
May 25 11:10:22 <Maxdamantus> Yes. That's how you normally configure binfmt.
May 25 11:11:01 <kerio> does it have to be in the same place in all the chroot jails then?
May 25 11:11:28 <kerio> it's not specific to each jail
May 25 11:11:40 <Maxdamantus> Yes, but that's easy if you're just bind-mounting /nix
May 25 11:11:46 <Wizzup> Maxdamantus: how does nix do with 'reproducible builds'
May 25 11:12:05 <Maxdamantus> Wizzup: it does that by referring to build dependencies precisely.
May 25 11:12:18 <Maxdamantus> Wizzup: it doesn't refer to /usr/bin/gcc
May 25 11:12:25 <Wizzup> so it can reproduce binaries exactly? bit by bit?
May 25 11:12:38 <Wizzup> I'm doing research in this currently, and I'd be very interested
May 25 11:12:52 <Maxdamantus> I think it should almost do it bit-by-bit, but they don't enforce it.
May 25 11:14:15 <Maxdamantus> (eg, they don't necessarily remove possible build timestamps from programs)
May 25 11:15:36 <Maxdamantus> but since ultimately all build instructions refer to all the source code and build instructions for other programs used in the build process (until a bootstrapped gcc, which is a specific binary for each architecture), it should be fairly deterministic.
May 25 11:18:37 <Maxdamantus> The guy that made it has a decent paper on a build system (alternative to `make`) that he made a while ago, called `maak`.
May 25 11:19:51 <Maxdamantus> http://nixos.org/~eelco/pubs/iscsd-scm11-submitted.pdf
May 25 11:24:01 <KotCzarny> oh boy, thats what we always need, another breakthrough 'standard'
May 25 11:25:12 <Maxdamantus> standard across your system.
May 25 11:25:27 <Maxdamantus> if you were referring to the qemu path.
May 25 11:26:20 <Maxdamantus> it's not standard across everyone's system .. I myself use /nix/store/czmip8abq077ma1x2ksb79613z2g6jig-qemu-2.2.1/bin/qemu-arm , but other people likely have different paths.
May 25 11:27:55 <Maxdamantus> The point is that as long as /nix is visible in the chroot, you can just run ARM binaries.
May 25 11:28:01 <KotCzarny> im talking about make, qmake, cmake, maak and f*cktituded of others
May 25 11:28:06 <Maxdamantus> Ah.
May 25 11:28:25 <Wizzup> don't forget plan9's awesome "mk"
May 25 11:28:31 <KotCzarny> yeah, and imake
May 25 11:28:57 <KotCzarny> and sometimes they get installed to build single useful package, then forgotten
May 25 11:29:40 <Maxdamantus> I don't think that's bad, as long as they themselves are easy to install (maak wasn't, because it was implemented in Haskell, but he didn't really expect everyone to use it)
May 25 11:30:01 <Maxdamantus> if he did want it to be popular, he'd've probably made a portable implementation in C.
May 25 11:30:15 <Maxdamantus> which isn't what cmake, qmake and scons are, at least.
May 25 11:30:23 <Maxdamantus> dunno about anything else.
May 25 11:30:31 <KotCzarny> its okay, im just ranting, same would apply to gtk, qt, xaw etc
May 25 11:36:51 <Maxdamantus> imo, you should be able to compile most programs by doing something like: cc -o foo linux-main.c common/*.c -lX11
May 25 11:37:51 <Maxdamantus> but, people seem happy enough to make everything complicated.
May 25 11:46:15 <KotCzarny> nothing like a good compilation script
May 25 18:00:33 <_1_Melvin> hello
May 25 18:30:42 <L29Ah> Maxdamantus: can i screw systemd in favour of openrc easily in nixos?
May 25 18:32:13 <KotCzarny> sysvinit :P
May 25 18:36:12 <L29Ah> openrc is compatible with sysvinit stuff :þ
May 25 18:40:20 <KotCzarny> ood :P
May 25 18:40:48 <kerio> so is systemd
May 25 18:40:49 <KotCzarny> but to be honest i prefer simple /etc/rcS
May 25 21:05:21 <webmind> hmm, debian chroot complaining: WARNING: this version of the GNU libc requires kernel version
May 25 21:05:24 <webmind> 2.6.26 or later. Please upgrade your kernel before installing
May 25 21:05:26 <webmind> glibc.
May 25 21:05:33 <webmind> so is there a way to run a recent kernel on n810?
May 25 22:07:44 <{-0-}> woot! bluetooth-dun-client works :)
May 25 22:41:12 <Maxdamantus> L29Ah: dunno. I don't really like the idea of nixos.
May 25 22:41:14 <Maxdamantus> just nix.
May 25 22:49:43 <Sicelo> {-0-}: \m/
May 25 23:46:53 <L29Ah> are there open source touch-friendly desktops?
May 25 23:46:57 <L29Ah> illume looks dead
May 25 23:47:55 <ecc3g> android on desktop :p
May 25 23:48:53 <L29Ah> ;[
May 25 23:56:00 <ecc3g> mouse and touchscreen are so different interfaces...
May 25 23:57:30 <ecc3g> was trying gnome3 with touchpadscreen ... pretty awful
May 25 23:57:58 <ecc3g> dont know if there are any better
May 25 23:58:26 <ecc3g> kde touch? dunno...
May 26 00:37:23 <L29Ah> maybe i need to get some dmenu for touch
May 26 00:37:37 <L29Ah> and hook it into xmonad that already has gesture control
May 26 00:42:53 <L29Ah> n900 has some useless buttons like poweroff and camera that can be used as modkeys for gestures
May 26 00:43:40 <L29Ah> gah, i'm running out of 16GB microsd, wtf
May 26 00:57:37 <ecc3g> hmm... what are the symptoms of a bad flex cable...
May 26 00:57:44 <ecc3g> i think i may need one ... :(
May 26 01:00:24 <ecc3g> problem is, the LCD is fine, my earphone seems to not work all the time anymore
May 26 01:06:08 <ecc3g> actually this would be the secondary not main flex cable? Hmmm...
May 26 01:34:07 <bencoh> 02:37 < L29Ah> maybe i need to get some dmenu for touch
May 26 01:34:08 <bencoh> <3
May 26 01:34:47 <bencoh> (I guess dwm/wmii arent so great with a touchscreen and no keyboard ^^)
May 26 01:35:43 <ecc3g> there are really no GNU touch screen friendly DE's... hence android was made...
May 26 01:36:24 <L29Ah> failed to google that out, strange
May 26 01:36:32 <L29Ah> it must be simple to write
May 26 01:36:49 <ecc3g> the issue is that apps need to be rewritten for touch
May 26 01:36:50 <L29Ah> and generate some funny icons from names :]
May 26 01:36:54 <L29Ah> what apps?
May 26 01:37:11 <ecc3g> everything that you'd use that's not the DE itself
May 26 01:37:21 <ecc3g> firefox sucks with touch...
May 26 01:38:16 <L29Ah> navit, oscp, xterm, fennec
May 26 01:38:31 <L29Ah> need some phone and sip app, haven't looked into them yet
May 26 01:39:06 <ecc3g> the soft keyboard interface is clunky, still using traditional X interface
May 26 01:39:25 <L29Ah> soft what?
May 26 01:39:33 <L29Ah> i'm targeting at n900
May 26 01:39:56 <ecc3g> i thought you said desktop pc
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