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May 29 05:07:31 <KotCzarny> bencoh: maybe fremantle1.* dirs should be moved to some other path, ie. archived/
May 29 05:08:09 <KotCzarny> if one tries to use fremantle1.3 instead of fremantle it will fail
May 29 06:32:56 <L29Ah> does anyone have this file ti-wl1251-firmware_0.4.tar.bz2?
May 29 06:36:26 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 29 06:36:28 <KotCzarny> https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/firmware-nonfree/0.41
May 29 06:36:36 <KotCzarny> maybe this one has a compatible blob
May 29 06:58:58 <L29Ah> gitorious have rotten enough i can't even clone openmediaplayer repo ;[
May 29 06:59:18 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: it's s{ad,ick} you don't use a public version control system for oscp
May 29 07:03:31 <KotCzarny> l29ah: that's because i'm not using vcs at all
May 29 07:04:51 <L29Ah> i wonder why haven't you killed yourself yet =)
May 29 07:05:44 <KotCzarny> because :P
May 29 07:09:05 <KotCzarny> and looking at your gitorious problem it seems it's not that bad idea
May 29 07:23:31 <L29Ah> git is distributed, you can pull any repo and develop locally as well
May 29 07:23:56 <kerio> holy shit
May 29 07:23:57 <kerio> really
May 29 07:24:02 <kerio> how do you live without version control
May 29 07:24:08 <kerio> it's just... so fucking convenient
May 29 07:24:10 <kerio> it's not even funny
May 29 07:26:19 <KotCzarny> truly, it's easier for me not to bother with vcs
May 29 07:27:50 <KotCzarny> and i dont care about changes i made month ago
May 29 07:27:56 <kerio> it's really, really not
May 29 07:28:03 <KotCzarny> so it's just useless to me
May 29 07:28:05 <kerio> how do you undo a change
May 29 07:28:25 <KotCzarny> i dont make mistakes, hehe
May 29 07:28:33 <kerio> that's not the point
May 29 07:28:40 <kerio> how do you test stuff
May 29 07:28:47 <kerio> do you just copy the whole source directory
May 29 07:28:51 <kerio> that's idiotic
May 29 07:28:55 <KotCzarny> nope
May 29 07:28:57 <KotCzarny> i dont
May 29 07:29:07 <KotCzarny> my sources are logically laid out
May 29 07:29:24 <KotCzarny> so usually changes (even bigger ones) are limited to one .c file
May 29 07:30:44 <KotCzarny> vcs is useful if there is a team of people working on a project, otherwise it's just overkill
May 29 07:32:07 <kerio> alright
May 29 07:32:16 <kerio> ocsp will become an unmaintainable mess
May 29 07:32:26 <kerio> and nobody *can* work on it except for you
May 29 07:32:30 <kerio> good job
May 29 07:32:56 <KotCzarny> for now i asked people for features they still need/want in oscp
May 29 07:33:39 <KotCzarny> and apparently they are happy with it as it is
May 29 07:34:01 <L29Ah> i want to write a script that will update it for me in my distro
May 29 07:34:03 <L29Ah> how do i do this?
May 29 07:34:25 <KotCzarny> l29ah: update what?
May 29 07:34:34 <L29Ah> oscp
May 29 07:35:04 <KotCzarny> wget/tar -xzf
May 29 07:35:12 <KotCzarny> it unpacks to /opt/oscp
May 29 07:35:20 <L29Ah> i want the source code
May 29 07:35:29 <L29Ah> where's the list of source code tarballs?
May 29 07:35:51 <KotCzarny> which tarballs?
May 29 07:36:00 <L29Ah> usually i just drop a vcs url in and it's being poked automagically every week or so
May 29 07:36:09 <L29Ah> of the oscp source code.
May 29 07:36:29 <KotCzarny> let me du it
May 29 07:37:02 <KotCzarny> [root@jetstar 09:36:55 /1/_src/oscp]# du -sh
May 29 07:37:02 <KotCzarny> 341M    .
May 29 07:38:04 <L29Ah> wtf
May 29 07:38:26 <KotCzarny> try ldd oscp
May 29 07:38:46 <KotCzarny> then oscp -H
May 29 07:39:15 <L29Ah> so?
May 29 07:39:41 <L29Ah> do you just drop all the shit into the source dir being unable to tell apart dependencies from your code? o_O
May 29 07:39:58 <KotCzarny> have you read the oscp description?
May 29 07:40:12 <KotCzarny> whole idea was to not to be dependency hell
May 29 07:40:24 <L29Ah> so you do some ad-hoc static linking
May 29 07:40:31 <KotCzarny> yes
May 29 07:40:46 <L29Ah> so why don't you split stuff apart?
May 29 07:40:57 <L29Ah> you don't need to modify ffmpeg to link against it
May 29 07:41:21 <KotCzarny> yes, but some libs are c++ and some aren't linkable at all without patching source
May 29 07:41:42 <KotCzarny> and i dont want to use c++ to compile everything
May 29 07:42:21 <KotCzarny> and if i linked everything dynamically, you would have to install crapload of deps
May 29 07:42:29 <KotCzarny> because debian like systems are just like that
May 29 07:42:51 <L29Ah> what's the problem with deps?
May 29 07:43:01 <L29Ah> ffs, i can't find mafw source code ;[
May 29 07:43:12 <KotCzarny> most often old
May 29 07:43:17 <KotCzarny> or linked against weird stuff
May 29 07:43:36 <KotCzarny> and i dont use ffmpeg, but libav
May 29 07:46:51 <L29Ah> ah, so the problem is it's too much of a hassle to package stuff for debian, do i get it right?
May 29 07:47:36 <KotCzarny> packaging is not a problem (there is maemo .deb right?) but libs that are used/needed
May 29 07:48:34 <KotCzarny> and as mentioned before, i needed to patch some libs to be usable as a slave libs
May 29 08:08:26 <KotCzarny> l29ah, just out of curiosity, why are you reconnecting so often?
May 29 08:08:53 <L29Ah> i'm in the moscow subway using its crappy wifi
May 29 08:09:11 <KotCzarny> run the irssi in a screen at home?
May 29 08:09:25 <L29Ah> too much of a hassle
May 29 08:09:39 <L29Ah> i want all my im stuff in one app
May 29 08:09:44 <KotCzarny> app?
May 29 08:10:05 <L29Ah> i guess after tkabber get the proper support for stream management, it will stop being an issue
May 29 08:10:12 <L29Ah> *gets
May 29 08:10:20 <L29Ah> it's in progress atm
May 29 08:10:48 <KotCzarny> ok, another idea, just run the irc bouncer proxy at home, then connect tkabber to it (it's seen as a irc server externally)
May 29 08:13:45 <L29Ah> i know about bouncers, too lazy to get em up
May 29 08:14:03 <L29Ah> i don't use irc this much
May 29 08:14:13 <KotCzarny> yeah, sure
May 29 08:14:14 <KotCzarny> hehe
May 29 08:50:09 <bencoh> KotCzarny: hmm ?
May 29 08:53:39 <KotCzarny> bencoh, thought you were the repository.maemo.org maintainer
May 29 08:56:41 <bencoh> I'm not :)
May 29 09:02:41 <KotCzarny> bencoh: who is?
May 29 09:03:25 <bencoh> hmm m.erlin1991 iirc
May 29 09:05:18 <KotCzarny> merlin1991: ping
May 29 10:09:00 <L29Ah> i wonder where do i get mafw_proxy_source_get_type() from
May 29 10:09:49 <KotCzarny> afaik mafw isnt open
May 29 10:10:00 <L29Ah> ;[
May 29 10:10:21 <antranigv> okey, why chmod +x program is not working?
May 29 10:10:34 <KotCzarny> antranigv: because /home is mounted noexec ?
May 29 10:10:39 <antranigv> oops
May 29 10:11:06 <antranigv> what
May 29 10:11:19 <antranigv> ./home or /home/MyDocs?
May 29 10:11:36 <KotCzarny> if you really need space for software, create a 2GB file, make ext3 on it, then mount via -o loop
May 29 10:11:51 <KotCzarny> antranigv: i would bet on whole /home
May 29 10:12:00 <KotCzarny> mount |grep home
May 29 10:12:08 <antranigv> ah or I can put it in /home/opt. only mydocs are noexec
May 29 10:12:21 <bencoh> KotCzarny: no it's not
May 29 10:12:22 <bencoh> (?)
May 29 10:12:55 <antranigv> for some reason /home/opt on /opt
May 29 10:12:55 <bencoh> L29Ah: see libmafw0
May 29 10:12:56 <L29Ah> so i don't have a free dsp mp3 decoder? ;[
May 29 10:13:00 <L29Ah> bencoh: nope
May 29 10:13:12 <KotCzarny> l29ah: try gstreamer
May 29 10:13:32 <L29Ah> actually i want some gui player
May 29 10:13:37 <KotCzarny> he he
May 29 10:13:49 <KotCzarny> just grab any gstreamer gui
May 29 10:13:54 <antranigv> mplayer?
May 29 10:13:56 <antranigv> ah GUI
May 29 10:14:02 <KotCzarny> mplayer uses cpu decoding
May 29 10:14:28 <L29Ah> i don't know any that is touchscreen-friendly
May 29 10:14:34 <KotCzarny> oscp
May 29 10:14:40 <L29Ah> oscp is closed-source
May 29 10:14:42 <L29Ah> ;]
May 29 10:14:48 <KotCzarny> then add 'and is open source'
May 29 10:14:51 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 29 10:15:05 <KotCzarny> but you can write your own easily
May 29 10:15:09 <KotCzarny> using gstreamer and pygtk
May 29 10:18:23 <L29Ah> ;[
May 29 10:18:40 <L29Ah> no one wants to have a fresh distro on n900 :/
May 29 10:19:01 <KotCzarny> i do, but i plan to roll my own
May 29 10:19:11 <Sicelo> we do .. that's why we've tried many of them 
May 29 10:19:12 <KotCzarny> (once i clear other things in the queue)
May 29 10:19:34 <KotCzarny> also, gentoo is bad choice for n900
May 29 10:19:45 <L29Ah> why so?
May 29 10:19:53 <KotCzarny> compile everything on update?
May 29 10:20:03 <L29Ah> there are two options for remote building
May 29 10:20:26 <KotCzarny> you will have to write manual/howto then, keep that in mind
May 29 10:20:54 <L29Ah> sure; i plan to update http://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 as i go
May 29 10:21:09 <L29Ah> submitted some patches already
May 29 10:21:43 <L29Ah> i wonder what media player openmoko uses
May 29 10:22:10 <antranigv> L29Ah: funtoo on N900? (: or the neo900
May 29 10:22:39 <L29Ah> i don't see much difference in funtoo compared to gentoo
May 29 10:22:48 <Sicelo> Luke-Jr actually made a lot of progress with gentoo on N900
May 29 10:22:49 <L29Ah> and i want to stick to PMS
May 29 10:24:30 <KotCzarny> pms, lol
May 29 10:25:15 <L29Ah> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Package_Manager_Specification
May 29 10:25:37 <KotCzarny> try that in google
May 29 10:37:40 <antranigv> python programmers here, anyone runs python programs on maemo that are "made" with pyinstaller on an intel box?
May 29 10:39:11 <KotCzarny> i just run oscp-remote.py
May 29 10:39:13 <KotCzarny> no installer
May 29 10:39:21 <Wizzup> 12:19 < KotCzarny> compile everything on update?
May 29 10:39:29 <Wizzup> You can very easily create binary packages on other machines
May 29 10:39:31 <Wizzup> Just like debian
May 29 10:39:34 <Wizzup> It's really no different
May 29 10:39:53 <antranigv> yes, and then serve them via SSH or HTTP.
May 29 10:39:54 <KotCzarny> wizzup: yeah, but he doesnt mean to
May 29 10:40:14 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: that was not clear to be at all
May 29 10:40:16 <L29Ah> i can build some if you need it, but gentoo is about choice, and my system is going to use it a lot (:
May 29 10:40:24 <Wizzup> I run many gentoo arm systems, and definitely interested in gentoo on n900
May 29 10:40:49 <antranigv> KotCzarny: so your code works with python2.5?
May 29 10:41:19 <KotCzarny> l29ah: since you will be building whole os, you would be better off distributing it as a binary packages
May 29 10:41:35 <L29Ah> i guess i'll spit out a stage4 once it's usable
May 29 10:41:37 <KotCzarny> antranigv: dont know, what is default python on stock fremantle?
May 29 10:41:45 <antranigv> it's 2.5
May 29 10:41:48 <KotCzarny> then yes
May 29 10:41:57 <antranigv> if it was 2.6, we could have youtube-dl
May 29 10:42:05 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: that is, you can easily have a chroot on some arm device that you natively build all packages in
May 29 10:42:12 <Wizzup> and then just have your n900 install those
May 29 10:42:16 <bencoh> L29Ah: libmafw-shared
May 29 10:42:24 <L29Ah> bencoh: i can't build it
May 29 10:42:27 <KotCzarny> antranigv: hack youtube-dl and check what 2.6 features it needs and if there is a way to cut them out?
May 29 10:42:30 <L29Ah> complains about lots of lacking symbols
May 29 10:42:41 <bencoh> which one ?
May 29 10:42:47 <L29Ah> which what?
May 29 10:42:55 <bencoh> symbols
May 29 10:43:01 <antranigv> KotCzarny: possible, or make it a "compiled" code with pyinstaller? (:
May 29 10:43:15 <L29Ah> 13:09:00]<L29Ah> i wonder where do i get mafw_proxy_source_get_type() from
May 29 10:43:17 <L29Ah> to start with
May 29 10:43:40 <L29Ah> i'm building http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/mafw-shared/mafw-shared_0.3.2010.36-1%2b0m5.tar.gz btw
May 29 10:43:55 <KotCzarny> Your search - mafw_proxy_source_get_type - did not match any documents
May 29 10:43:57 <KotCzarny> he he
May 29 10:44:06 <bencoh> KotCzarny: it's macro-defined
May 29 10:44:15 <KotCzarny> still, no source found
May 29 10:44:16 <bencoh> and exported in a .h in mafw-shared
May 29 10:44:42 <L29Ah> i don't see its definition
May 29 10:47:05 <bencoh> dpkg-deb: building package `libmafw-shared0' in `../libmafw-shared0_0.3.2010.36-1+0m5_armel.deb'.
May 29 10:47:14 <bencoh> it worked(tm) in scratchbox
May 29 10:48:08 <bencoh> and according to debian/control it needs libglib2.0-dev, libdbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libmafw0-dev, checkmore, gtk-doc-tools, dbus, libtotem-plparser-dev, libxml2-dev
May 29 10:48:27 <bencoh> libmafw0-dev is in free/
May 29 10:48:32 <bencoh> so it should build as well
May 29 10:49:41 <L29Ah> i built it
May 29 10:49:49 <KotCzarny> bencoh, run a grep for this function
May 29 10:50:15 <bencoh> KotCzarny: I already did ;)
May 29 10:50:33 <KotCzarny> no results? ;)
May 29 10:50:48 <bencoh> ./libmafw-shared/mafw-proxy-source.h:39:        (mafw_proxy_source_get_type())
May 29 10:50:48 <bencoh> ./libmafw-shared/mafw-proxy-source.h:67:GType mafw_proxy_source_get_type(void);
May 29 10:50:54 <KotCzarny> ahm, k
May 29 10:50:55 <KotCzarny> :)
May 29 10:51:28 <bencoh> $ nm libmafw-shared/.libs/mafw-proxy-source.o |grep mafw_proxy_source_get_type
May 29 10:51:28 <bencoh> 00002c3c T mafw_proxy_source_get_type
May 29 10:51:39 <bencoh> looks like a valid symbol
May 29 10:51:57 <bencoh> and libmafw0 builds as well :-)
May 29 10:53:01 <L29Ah> bencoh: sooo?
May 29 10:53:06 <L29Ah> bencoh: do you know c?
May 29 10:53:16 <KotCzarny> c-fu
May 29 10:54:07 <L29Ah> i don't see any definitions of this function in libmafw-shared and it doesn't seem to be generated
May 29 10:54:31 <KotCzarny> maybe you need some definitions while building
May 29 10:55:04 <Oxyd76> L29Ah: Wow L'yah. :)
May 29 10:56:02 <bencoh> L29Ah: did you read what I've just pasted ?
May 29 10:56:07 <L29Ah> yep
May 29 10:56:15 <Wizzup> L29Ah: why are you compiling on the n900 though?
May 29 10:56:23 <L29Ah> Wizzup: i compile on my host
May 29 10:56:57 <Wizzup> what's up with the LDFLAGS and CFLAGS then
May 29 10:57:05 <L29Ah> empty
May 29 10:57:08 <Wizzup> # Since the N900 doesn't have a lot of RAM, you'll probably need to sacrifice some CPU time to minimize memory usage
May 29 10:57:11 <Wizzup> LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -Wl,--no-keep-memory -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads"
May 29 10:57:12 <L29Ah> ah
May 29 10:57:14 <Wizzup> CFLAGS="${CFLAGS} --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=32768"
May 29 10:57:18 <L29Ah> ask Luke-Jr
May 29 10:57:26 <L29Ah> i'll preserve this ability on my n900 tho
May 29 10:57:36 <antranigv> ~sdk
May 29 10:57:37 <infobot_> rumour has it, sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt"
May 29 10:57:55 <Wizzup> building anything on the n900 seems bad, especially since poor IO/storage, and compiling in tmpfs is hardly possible because of the little ram in it
May 29 10:58:07 <Wizzup> I mean, you can probably do it, but yeah :) 
May 29 10:58:17 <Wizzup> I am drowning in arm devices, so I have plenty of hosts
May 29 10:58:17 <bencoh> s/yeah/meh/ :)
May 29 10:58:23 <L29Ah> building on n900 is actually faster than in x201 in qemu
May 29 10:58:33 <L29Ah> i failed to build the cross-toolchain
May 29 10:58:38 <KotCzarny> lol
May 29 10:58:41 <Wizzup> you can get a quad core arm device with 2gb+ ram and sata/usb for hdds for about 50$
May 29 10:58:48 <Wizzup> that will do it about 10 times faster than your n900
May 29 10:58:54 <bencoh> L29Ah: I think you forgot the key word (kvm)
May 29 10:59:02 <L29Ah> kwhat
May 29 10:59:05 <L29Ah> i don't have an arm host
May 29 10:59:13 <bencoh> qemu/kvm (for your x201)
May 29 10:59:17 <Wizzup> no
May 29 10:59:18 <L29Ah> you suck
May 29 10:59:21 <Wizzup> kvm is only for virtualisation
May 29 10:59:32 <Wizzup> you can't use virtualisation extensions when the cpu is different
May 29 10:59:54 <bencoh> sure, but ... you dont want to do a native build ... (do you ? :/)
May 29 11:00:17 <Wizzup> bencoh: did you miss this: 12:58 < Wizzup> you can get a quad core arm device with 2gb+ ram and sata/usb for hdds for about 50$
May 29 11:00:21 <bencoh> that's exactly why scratchbox exists, btw ... to behave like a native env while still building with a cross compiler
May 29 11:00:21 <L29Ah> i guess i can build the whole system in two days
May 29 11:00:25 <L29Ah> on n900
May 29 11:00:36 <KotCzarny> l29ah: wishful thinking
May 29 11:00:43 <Wizzup> L29Ah: how many sd cards will use though? :) 
May 29 11:00:48 <Wizzup> Either way
May 29 11:00:51 <Wizzup> Good job on the gentoo work
May 29 11:00:54 <L29Ah> bencoh: build me a cross armv7a-hardfloat-linux-musleabi-gcc
May 29 11:00:54 <Wizzup> I'm very happy to see it
May 29 11:00:54 <KotCzarny> sd cards are big nowadays
May 29 11:00:59 <KotCzarny> 256gigs etc
May 29 11:01:09 <L29Ah> btw, can n900 handle a 64Gb one?
May 29 11:01:15 * Wizzup wonders why his suggestion of native arm build hosts is being ignored completely ;( 
May 29 11:01:17 <KotCzarny> according to tmo, yes
May 29 11:01:22 <bencoh> isnt there any way to crosscompile with gentoo ?
May 29 11:01:31 <L29Ah> Wizzup: because i'm not into buying hardware
May 29 11:01:34 <Wizzup> bencoh: yes, there are easy and good ways to do so
May 29 11:01:39 <L29Ah> bencoh: it failed.
May 29 11:01:41 <Wizzup> L29Ah: then stick to qemu for now
May 29 11:01:56 <Wizzup> that's that best solution
May 29 11:01:59 <Wizzup> s/that/the/
May 29 11:01:59 <infobot_> Wizzup meant: the's that best solution
May 29 11:02:02 <Wizzup> uf
May 29 11:02:13 <bencoh> :D
May 29 11:02:21 <KotCzarny> or try to find newer scratchbox compatible gcc
May 29 11:02:23 <KotCzarny> :)
May 29 11:02:23 <shapeshifter> Any updates on the NNeo900?
May 29 11:02:31 <bencoh> shapeshifter: in #neo900
May 29 11:02:35 <shapeshifter> ah.
May 29 11:02:51 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: and then you're still stuck with some randomly put together system, whereas with gentoo in qemu/native you can have a coherent and trustworthy system
May 29 11:03:18 <Wizzup> I completely understand that L29Ah is using qemu if he has no proper arm hw to build on
May 29 11:03:30 <KotCzarny> wizzup: you sound like you've already bought that quadcore arm machine, why there is no such system from you yet?
May 29 11:03:41 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: I have 9 I think
May 29 11:03:42 <Wizzup> perhaps more :) 
May 29 11:04:00 <Wizzup> I'm happy to set up some build host on arm devices
May 29 11:04:04 <bencoh> Wizzup: solidrun/cubox ?
May 29 11:04:08 <KotCzarny> setup one and make one public for maemo folks 
May 29 11:04:08 <Wizzup> no
May 29 11:04:29 <Wizzup> I got the initial cubox one and didn't like it at all, messed for weeks with hw support, it's probably better now
May 29 11:04:40 <Wizzup> bencoh: odroid u2/u3, and the ifc6410 (and random other allwinner things)
May 29 11:04:56 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: alright, I'll put it on my todo list and try to do that :) 
May 29 11:04:56 <bencoh> Wizzup: it's a completely different design than the original cubox(-pro)
May 29 11:05:08 <Wizzup> bencoh: right, but the devices I use all have linux mainline support
May 29 11:05:10 <bencoh> fsl/iMX6 (instead of marvell/armada)
May 29 11:05:27 <bencoh> oh, nice
May 29 11:05:35 <Wizzup> I'm not particularly interested in solidrun, since I was really disappointed by their stuff at the time
May 29 11:06:03 <Wizzup> p.s. these days you can also get a 200$ chromebook (samsung ones) that run mainline
May 29 11:06:06 <Wizzup> (arm ones)
May 29 11:06:14 <bencoh> the only thing I dont like is being stuck with a linaro kernel
May 29 11:06:17 <Wizzup> anyway, I have to go now, I'll try to remember to set something up
May 29 11:08:02 <bencoh> L29Ah: what about https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Cross_building#crossdev ? where does it fail ?
May 29 11:08:07 <bencoh> err ....
May 29 11:19:30 <antranigv> umm, the nokia website is down, where can I download the SDK virtualimage?
May 29 11:20:57 <antranigv> ~image
May 29 11:20:57 <infobot_> See 'iso'
May 29 11:21:04 <bencoh> there are a few mirrors around, I think google has some in its index
May 29 11:21:17 <antranigv> ~tabletsdev
May 29 11:21:18 <infobot_> well, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads
May 29 11:21:25 <bencoh> L29Ah: 13:08 < bencoh> L29Ah: what about https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Cross_building#crossdev ? where does it fail ?
May 29 11:22:02 <L29Ah> crossdev fails at the point of not working with paludis
May 29 11:25:40 <KotCzarny> hmm, do closed hw bits (bme and friends) work with newer kernel?
May 29 11:26:21 <L29Ah> i failed to run maemo on 4.1
May 29 11:26:38 <KotCzarny> hrm
May 29 11:26:53 <L29Ah> otherwise, http://elinux.org/N900 mentions rx51_battery
May 29 11:26:58 <L29Ah> so bme should work fine
May 29 11:29:11 <bencoh> KotCzarny: thou shalt use pali's bme replacement
May 29 11:29:40 <bencoh> (which basically consists of kernel modules and a "simple" glue userland lib)
May 29 11:29:55 <Wizzup> 13:21 < L29Ah> crossdev fails at the point of not working with paludis
May 29 11:30:01 <Wizzup> Ah... well that explains a lot :P
May 29 11:31:30 <L29Ah> ct-ng screams "./configure: error: unsupported long double type"
May 29 11:31:34 <L29Ah> in binutils
May 29 12:15:12 <L29Ah> i guess i'll try the git version
May 29 12:15:41 <KotCzarny> or look for patches in debian-armel ?
May 29 12:15:56 <bencoh> L29Ah: git version of ?
May 29 12:16:35 <L29Ah> ct-ng
May 29 14:44:28 <Luke-Jr> L29Ah: oh, you're the guy emailing me unsolicited patches? :P
May 29 14:44:41 <Luke-Jr> L29Ah: probably I should just set up the repo on GitLab so you can push directly
May 29 14:44:59 <Luke-Jr> KotCzarny: distcc is nice
May 29 14:45:29 <L29Ah> yeah it'd be good
May 29 14:46:01 <Luke-Jr> just got home from emergency room tho, so going to sleep for now :p
May 29 14:46:11 <Luke-Jr> prod me later if I forget
May 29 14:46:15 <L29Ah> k
May 29 14:46:52 <KotCzarny> O.o
May 29 14:47:09 <KotCzarny> emergency room? software development can be dangerous..
May 29 15:00:44 <L29Ah> mkay, mafw-shared sucks and won't build with -Wl,--as-needed ;[
May 29 15:00:49 <KotCzarny> :>
May 29 15:01:36 <KotCzarny> just use oscp-alsa, should work even on newer libs
May 29 15:01:49 <L29Ah> it's closed-source :<
May 29 15:01:53 <KotCzarny> especially that you dont need any other packages to make it work
May 29 15:02:28 <L29Ah> also i hope for dsp shit
May 29 15:02:35 <KotCzarny> let's say, if you manage to run kernel 3.x/4.x with current glibc and gcc/g++ i'll give you oscp source
May 29 15:02:58 <KotCzarny> that is, if you achieve working system with all important bits working
May 29 15:03:04 <L29Ah> glibc isn't interesting :P
May 29 15:03:18 <KotCzarny> it is if you plan to compile mainstream packages :P
May 29 15:03:22 <L29Ah> i'm building for the current musl
May 29 15:03:23 <Luke-Jr> "important" is undefined
May 29 15:03:44 <L29Ah> hope mainstream stuff will work somewhat
May 29 15:03:57 <KotCzarny> luke-jr: phone, display, battery, audio, touchscreen, hw-buttons
May 29 15:04:21 <KotCzarny> etc
May 29 15:04:38 <Luke-Jr> the ones you listed should work :P
May 29 15:04:49 <KotCzarny> luke-jr: phone/calls/sms ?
May 29 15:04:49 <Luke-Jr> although I never touched 3.x/4.x kernels
May 29 15:04:54 <L29Ah> used up half of the 16Gb microsd, but still no xorg ;p
May 29 15:05:00 <Luke-Jr> KotCzarny: no idea about SMS; do people use that?
May 29 15:05:05 <KotCzarny> i do
May 29 15:05:08 <KotCzarny> and my gf
May 29 15:05:18 <L29Ah> i receive bank otp thru sms 
May 29 15:05:53 <Luke-Jr> oh, I don't think I ever got audio to work for calls either. <.<
May 29 15:05:58 <bencoh> 17:03 < L29Ah> i'm building for the current musl
May 29 15:05:58 <bencoh> :D
May 29 15:05:59 <L29Ah> also i have a nice web service to annoy me remotely: http://l29ah.blasux.ru/sms
May 29 15:06:38 <KotCzarny> page is not loading
May 29 15:06:39 <KotCzarny> :)
May 29 15:07:14 <Wizzup> loads here
May 29 15:07:47 <Wizzup> L29Ah: now that you told everyone it is powered by bash, I'm presuming that you're properly dealing with input on said service? ;) 
May 29 15:08:36 <KotCzarny> wizzup, check it yourself ;)
May 29 15:10:21 <L29Ah> Wizzup: sure
May 29 15:10:35 <L29Ah> 18:09:59]<KotCzarny> page is not loading
May 29 15:10:35 <L29Ah> huh
May 29 15:14:27 <KotCzarny> something with dns, works on my linux machine tho
May 29 15:14:54 <L29Ah> resolved fine thru 8.8.8.8
May 29 15:41:55 <sixwheeledbeast> google...burn!
May 29 15:45:34 <KotCzarny> :>
May 29 15:51:22 <sixwheeledbeast> opendns ;)
May 29 16:32:16 <L29Ah> ‰ automake-1.15 -W no-error   
May 29 16:32:16 <L29Ah> automake-1.15: warnings are treated as errors
May 29 16:32:17 <L29Ah> wut
May 29 17:15:52 <KotCzarny> l29ah: isnt it -Wno-error ?
May 29 17:17:45 <KotCzarny> or -Wno-error=all
May 29 17:36:19 <L29Ah> autotools guru any1? ;[
May 29 17:38:08 <KotCzarny> all i can say: try another version
May 29 17:38:44 <L29Ah> of what?
May 29 17:38:50 <KotCzarny> of autotools
May 29 17:40:05 <KotCzarny> wtf
May 29 17:40:06 <bencoh> L29Ah: what's wrong ?
May 29 17:40:19 <KotCzarny> gtk+ runtime on windows: 160MB
May 29 17:40:21 <KotCzarny> o.O
May 29 17:40:47 <L29Ah> KotCzarny: thanks, seems like it works; having five versions of autoshit is handy ;[
May 29 17:41:32 <KotCzarny> l29ah: what can i say, digging elbow deep in shitty syntax and hunting obscure variables isnt any better
May 29 17:48:15 <KotCzarny> wow, oscp-remote.py works on windows
May 29 17:48:32 <KotCzarny> actually looks nice
May 29 18:48:21 <Sicelo> haha, for the first time in my  life i havejust opened https://www.android.com/ .... interesting that it says "be together. not the same." marketing can be crazy and outright lies ... they are all the same :p
May 29 18:52:16 <KotCzarny> where do you see it?
May 29 18:52:37 <KotCzarny> (i'm seeing localized pages, so just curious)
May 29 18:53:33 <Sicelo> front page.. the page i linked to. at the top
May 29 18:53:39 <KotCzarny> ahm, on english it is
May 29 18:55:32 <KotCzarny> and only on english
May 29 18:58:28 <KotCzarny> but comparing to ios, android is much more customizable/themeable
May 30 02:51:56 <L29Ah> mkay, openmediaplayer pulls libplayback which is binary-only ;[
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