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Jun 17 12:19:17 <l4m3rx> which daemon is pushing/reading the dbus events relayted to the fm trasmitter ? (com.nokia.FMTx interface)
Jun 17 12:21:29 <KotCzarny> dbus monitor should show originator too
Jun 17 12:36:41 <l4m3rx> it does :] ...sorry ,my dbus kung-fu is weak.
Jun 17 12:51:40 <l4m3rx> any clue where i can find fmtx_client's source code?
Jun 17 13:50:25 <Mekkis> is there any web browser for the N900 that's more recent than MicroB ?
Jun 17 13:51:18 <L29Ah> you don't want to run a modern web browser on a n900
Jun 17 13:52:37 <kerio> Mekkis: firefox 17 or something
Jun 17 13:52:44 <kerio> in the community-thumb repo, iirc
Jun 17 13:52:44 <Mekkis> L29Ah, sure. I suppose what I'm saying is: Is there a way I can get a web browser that supports TLS1.1+ on my n900. Preferably with decent performance
Jun 17 13:52:58 <KotCzarny> vnc?
Jun 17 13:53:06 <kerio> performance is worse than microb, however
Jun 17 13:53:12 <kerio> not by much
Jun 17 13:53:14 <kerio> but it's noticeable
Jun 17 13:59:04 <Mekkis> KotCzarny, might seriously consider the VNC solution :S
Jun 17 14:00:05 <L29Ah> Mekkis: dillo?
Jun 17 14:02:17 <KotCzarny> links/elinks/links2 maybe?
Jun 17 14:03:38 <L29Ah> wget
Jun 17 14:04:11 <KotCzarny> wget is only a downloader
Jun 17 14:04:34 <KotCzarny> if you really want low level: telnet
Jun 17 14:04:51 <Mekkis> good luck negotiating ssl/tls with telnet
Jun 17 14:04:56 <bencoh> Mekkis: tls1.1/1.2 is not (just) a browser issue
Jun 17 14:05:03 <KotCzarny> sconnect + telnet? 
Jun 17 14:05:07 <bencoh> I dont think it's in openssl 0.9.8*
Jun 17 14:05:32 <KotCzarny> oh, right, grab some proxy?
Jun 17 14:06:10 <Mekkis> SSL stripping proxy that performs some form of downgrade?
Jun 17 14:07:06 <bencoh> that'd work, but you'd still need openssl > 0.9.8*
Jun 17 14:07:11 <bencoh> (I think)
Jun 17 14:08:13 <KotCzarny> statically compiled proxy?
Jun 17 14:08:28 <KotCzarny> i think openssl on stock fremantle is b0rken anyway
Jun 17 14:08:35 <KotCzarny> segfaults with libcurl
Jun 17 14:08:50 <Mekkis> Could set the proxy up on a host that I trust.
Jun 17 14:09:18 <bencoh> borked ?
Jun 17 14:09:28 <bencoh> it shouldnt be
Jun 17 14:09:47 <KotCzarny> bencoh, i had trouble using it with libcurl, worked fine with gnutls
Jun 17 15:28:33 <EdLin> http://www.wsj.com/articles/former-nokia-ceo-elop-leaving-microsoft-1434552374
Jun 17 15:28:45 <EdLin> Payback's a b---.
Jun 17 15:40:09 <kerio> To Read the Full Story, Subscribe or Sign In
Jun 17 15:40:12 <kerio> Paywall's a bitch
Jun 17 15:40:32 <EdLin> kerio, the URL says it all, Elop is out of a job.
Jun 17 15:40:41 <kerio> but not out of money
Jun 17 15:40:53 <EdLin> of course not, he gets a severence package.
Jun 17 15:41:32 <EdLin> he is almost certainly one of Microsoft's 100 millionaires.
Jun 17 15:42:13 <KotCzarny> i bet he got much more 'under the table'
Jun 17 15:42:17 <KotCzarny> for successful deal
Jun 17 15:43:06 <EdLin> he wouldn't need to, at the amount of money he has over the table, why bother?
Jun 17 15:43:44 <KotCzarny> because greed
Jun 17 15:43:47 <EdLin> he thought also that he'd be Microsoft's next CEO, he almost got the job too.
Jun 17 15:44:51 <EdLin> KotCzarny, a company as big as Microsoft doesn't give money under the table unless it's bribing third world governments where that's customary. Too many people would talk.
Jun 17 15:46:19 <EdLin> and anyway, Elop got enough money both at Nokia and Microsoft right in public that there's no need to be forking over additional cash in secret.
Jun 17 15:46:48 <EdLin> he didn't need to be bribed to be a stooge for Microsoft, it's what he did.
Jun 17 15:50:04 <KotCzarny> still, i bet there are bonuses that he got
Jun 17 15:50:30 <EdLin> yes.
Jun 17 15:50:42 <EdLin> and that gets reported to the SEC, like all executive bonuses.
Jun 17 15:51:29 <EdLin> Microsoft doesn't have to work in secret to get things that are unethical done. They are rich enough to follow the Golden Rule, whoever has the gold makes the rules. ;)
Jun 17 15:52:07 <bencoh> :)
Jun 17 15:52:40 <EdLin> at least Elop won't be bothering the mobile ecosystem anymore, though the damage is done.
Jun 17 15:52:50 <KotCzarny> wishful thinking
Jun 17 15:53:48 <EdLin> well, there are some things that they've done in secret that are unethical, but those don't leave a money trail, stuff akin to Apple's "no poaching" telephone calls to other Silicoln Valley companies.
Jun 17 15:54:26 <EdLin> leaving a money trail is the *last thing* a smart company does if they want to do something unethical. That and email messages.
Jun 17 15:55:31 <EdLin> we wouldn't have known about Apple's no poaching stuff, in contrevention to California law, if it weren't for Palm talking after such a communication.
Jun 17 15:57:02 <EdLin> Elop didn't need bribes, he was getting paid large executive saleries, bonuses, and stock options, for what he did.
Jun 17 15:57:39 <EdLin> bribes would just complicate things.
Jun 17 15:58:52 <EdLin> in fact, he was this close to being one of the richest men in the world, had he got the CEO job at MS.
Jun 17 16:00:00 <EdLin> anyhow, Elop is no longer at MS, and good riddence. :)
Jun 17 16:01:42 <EdLin> anyhow, I just wanted to share the good news. :)
Jun 17 21:20:04 <Pali> freemangordon: ping, see email there is pending request for developer who wants to upload package to diablo extras...
Jun 17 21:20:15 <Pali> who has permission for that?
Jun 17 21:22:50 <freemangordon> Pali: I don;t have permissions, it is merlin1991 afaik
Jun 17 21:23:31 <Pali> merlin1991: ping, see email
Jun 17 21:24:17 <freemangordon> Pali: BTW, I am re-ing libplayback, will that be of any use?
Jun 17 21:24:44 <Pali> I already tried to understand libplayback
Jun 17 21:25:07 <Pali> but public API header files do not have any documentation
Jun 17 21:25:17 <freemangordon> oh, so having to source code will help with that
Jun 17 21:25:19 <Pali> and I think source code of does not help me to understand it
Jun 17 21:25:28 <freemangordon> :)
Jun 17 21:25:33 <Pali> but maybe other people make it useful
Jun 17 21:25:43 <Pali> maybe developers of OMP...
Jun 17 21:25:51 <freemangordon> wait, there is some documentation in the headers
Jun 17 21:26:05 <Pali> I was not able to understand it :D
Jun 17 21:26:17 <freemangordon> ah, I see
Jun 17 21:26:22 <Pali> I think this is only one non Nokia libplayback application is OMP
Jun 17 21:26:35 <freemangordon> yeah, I didn't try to understand it
Jun 17 21:27:27 <KotCzarny> he he
Jun 17 21:27:37 <freemangordon> Pali: what about http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libplayback-1/playback_8h.html#809727157a26ad01a34fb204bdb448cf ?
Jun 17 21:27:41 <KotCzarny> libplayback sounds like an important thing
Jun 17 21:29:10 <merlin1991> isn't it the mafw interface?
Jun 17 21:29:16 <merlin1991> also checking into the garage account
Jun 17 21:30:22 <freemangordon> merlin1991: libplayback? it is rather the oposite - mafw uses libplayback, afaik
Jun 17 21:30:51 <merlin1991> oh
Jun 17 21:30:52 <merlin1991> shit
Jun 17 21:31:19 <KotCzarny> lucky me that i got away without both
Jun 17 21:31:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 17 21:31:34 <merlin1991> no dsp for you though
Jun 17 21:31:39 <merlin1991> and not mute on incoming call
Jun 17 21:31:41 <merlin1991> and ...
Jun 17 21:31:51 <KotCzarny> well, i can use dsp via gst
Jun 17 21:31:58 <freemangordon> :nod:
Jun 17 21:32:24 <KotCzarny> as for muting, might be dbus doable
Jun 17 21:32:37 <freemangordon> this is what libplayback does :)
Jun 17 21:32:42 <freemangordon> (dbus calls)
Jun 17 21:38:28 <Pali> I think libplayback is just wrapper around OHM, pulseaudio and alsaped
Jun 17 21:38:46 <Pali> and maybe prolog too
Jun 17 21:39:47 <freemangordon> Pali: actually it simply does dbus calls to org.maemo.Playback.Manager
Jun 17 21:39:48 <Pali> freemangordon: anyway, jabber account setting plugin will be usefull to RE too
Jun 17 21:40:10 <freemangordon> oh, yeah, you asked me about it
Jun 17 21:40:11 <Pali> yes, I would expect some OHM exports tat dbus API
Jun 17 21:40:26 <freemangordon> yeah, smells like ohmd 
Jun 17 21:40:40 <KotCzarny> if its so simple, why its not opensourced/
Jun 17 21:41:30 <Pali> because...
Jun 17 21:41:32 <Pali> ... nokia
Jun 17 21:44:27 <Pali> freemangordon: was you able to contact fatphil?
Jun 17 21:45:29 <freemangordon> no, he is MIA since long time ago
Jun 17 21:45:50 <Pali> :-(
Jun 17 22:04:17 <lamerx> while on the mafw/dbus subject ...i have kind of relayed question
Jun 17 22:04:31 <lamerx> what am I doing wrong with the set_volume() ? http://pastebin.com/JnsFX2BE 
Jun 17 22:04:35 <lamerx> :S
Jun 17 22:06:17 <KotCzarny> i just implemented softvol specifically for n900
Jun 17 22:06:19 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 17 22:06:56 <lamerx> oh , found out the issue.
Jun 17 22:06:59 <lamerx> what is softvol?
Jun 17 22:07:46 <lamerx> scratch  the last question , google can anwser :]
Jun 17 22:11:33 <KotCzarny> well, i had to implement one for prevent flac/aac from clipping, so just put it to use ;)
Jun 17 22:11:51 <KotCzarny> s/for/to/
Jun 17 22:11:51 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: well, i had to implement one to prevent flac/aac from clipping, so just put it to use ;)
Jun 17 23:28:08 <bruce_lee> hello @all
Jun 17 23:28:34 <bruce_lee> using vim through ssh, the syntax-highlighting  doesn't work
Jun 17 23:29:00 <bruce_lee> syntax highlighting works when I use it directly on the phone
Jun 17 23:29:06 <bruce_lee> anybody a hint?
Jun 17 23:29:13 <bruce_lee> I use a nokia n900
Jun 17 23:30:12 <ecc3g> what host? TERMCAP?
Jun 17 23:58:25 <jonwil> Does anyone here know anything about bq27200.sh?
Jun 17 23:59:18 <ecc3g> I've only used it.
Jun 17 23:59:26 <jonwil> ok
Jun 18 00:00:00 <jonwil> looks like the value I am interested in (time-to-full) is in minutes
Jun 18 00:02:07 <ecc3g> ok...
Jun 18 00:03:10 <ecc3g> i forgot if time to full was corrected for the annoying Li-ion charge curve or not...
Jun 18 00:04:09 <jonwil> It seems to charge faster as the charge percentage increases
Jun 18 00:04:09 <ecc3g> it should be, as it's coming from the chip
Jun 18 00:04:24 <ecc3g> that doesn't seem right
Jun 18 00:04:36 <jonwil> hmmm no my mistakew
Jun 18 00:04:36 <ecc3g> should be fastest when empty and slow down
Jun 18 00:05:30 <ecc3g> I think mine finishes about a good 70% in an hour, and takes another hour for the last 30
Jun 18 00:05:45 <jonwil> It seems to have hovered around 120 TTF or so for the last 5 minutes
Jun 18 00:06:08 <jonwil> Jumping from about 110 to as high as 130
Jun 18 00:06:25 <ecc3g> probably bad charger or bad connection to charger?
Jun 18 00:06:50 <ecc3g> what's current state of charge, and how many mA going through?
Jun 18 00:07:04 <jonwil> RSOC and CSOC are both at 82
Jun 18 00:07:36 <jonwil> NAC, CACD and CACT are at 742
Jun 18 00:07:48 <jonwil> and MA is around 120-125 or so
Jun 18 00:08:02 <jonwil> as low as 115 and as high as 140
Jun 18 00:08:05 <ecc3g> yeah you're in the slow section now
Jun 18 00:08:18 <jonwil> which number indicates the actual charge percentage?
Jun 18 00:08:38 <ecc3g> though CSOC is current fullness as a percentage
Jun 18 00:08:48 <ecc3g> corrected state of charge
Jun 18 00:08:51 <jonwil> ok
Jun 18 00:09:39 <ecc3g> then again is it calibrated or not
Jun 18 00:09:57 <jonwil> I suspect there are issues with this battery as I have observed times when it goes from 3 green bars to red and "battery low" then 5 minutes later it goes back to 2 green bars before finally dying and powering off.
Jun 18 00:10:10 <jonwil> So something is definatly up
Jun 18 00:10:39 <ecc3g> you need to calibrate in order for RSOC/CSOC/etc to be accurate
Jun 18 00:11:08 <ecc3g> sounds like you have an old weak battery?
Jun 18 00:12:20 <ecc3g> what's last measured discharge? andcycle count since learning?
Jun 18 00:12:42 <jonwil> what values do I look at for those?
Jun 18 00:13:05 <jonwil> oh wait I see, 904ma
Jun 18 00:13:08 <jonwil> mAh
Jun 18 00:13:14 <jonwil> for last measured discharge
Jun 18 00:13:19 <ecc3g> ah
Jun 18 00:13:30 <ecc3g> yeah that battery is kind of weak now
Jun 18 00:13:32 <jonwil> cycle count since learning is 6
Jun 18 00:13:43 <jonwil> and cycle count since full reset is 366
Jun 18 00:14:02 <jonwil> MLI is 1038mA
Jun 18 00:14:13 <jonwil> nac is 751mAh
Jun 18 00:14:23 <jonwil> as is CACD and CACT
Jun 18 00:14:44 <jonwil> average current is 112mA
Jun 18 00:14:51 <jonwil> not sure what those numbers mean exactly
Jun 18 00:15:20 <ecc3g> so you got a fairly recent learning cycle through, so the numbers should be fairly accurate
Jun 18 00:15:45 <jonwil> so the 904Ma is what the hardware thinks the battery can hold?
Jun 18 00:15:46 <ecc3g> but 900 is definitely a weak cell and if you drain it fast you could go green to read quickly
Jun 18 00:15:57 <ecc3g> 900mAh, yeah
Jun 18 00:17:00 <jonwil> Whats strange is the fact that it will go from one level of charge indicated on the battery meter to a higher level without me doing a thing
Jun 18 00:17:04 <ecc3g> but you do see it charge up all the way to 900 and discharge ?
Jun 18 00:17:22 <jonwil> That I dont know, I will wait for it to get to full and examine it once its full
Jun 18 00:17:32 <jonwil> Its at 84% full now
Jun 18 00:17:44 <ecc3g> it could be the GSM/wifi radio that pushes it over the edge
Jun 18 00:18:00 <jonwil> ok, now it just jumped from 84% to 100% and says TTF is at 0
Jun 18 00:18:01 <ecc3g> i've seen my battery drop from 2-3 bars to red before when using the phone...
Jun 18 00:18:13 <ecc3g> hmm
Jun 18 00:18:21 <jonwil> I can understand it dropping from 3 bars to red
Jun 18 00:18:34 <jonwil> but not why it would then magically go from red back to 2 bars 5 minutes later
Jun 18 00:18:39 <jonwil> without me doing a thing to the phone
Jun 18 00:18:47 <ecc3g> oh...that's a bit weird then
Jun 18 00:18:58 <ecc3g> mine when it goes red, it stays red....
Jun 18 00:19:10 <ecc3g> which BME are you using?
Jun 18 00:19:16 <jonwil> stock BME
Jun 18 00:19:19 <jonwil> stock everything
Jun 18 00:19:23 <jonwil> well not stock everything
Jun 18 00:19:25 <jonwil> but stock BME
Jun 18 00:19:33 <jonwil> and stock battery modules
Jun 18 00:19:34 <jonwil> and stuff
Jun 18 00:20:42 <jonwil> I am using my own MCE build though (the one I made that was reverse engineered to be identical to stock)
Jun 18 00:20:59 <jonwil> not that MCE is all that important for power and battery stuff
Jun 18 00:21:27 <jonwil> is leaving the charger plugged in when the battery is full a problem?
Jun 18 00:21:40 <jonwil> e.g. if I plug it in to charge overnight and get up and its been full for the last 4 hours
Jun 18 00:21:44 <ecc3g> hum dunno, stock everything seems to go red and stay red...dunno about other systems
Jun 18 00:21:51 <ecc3g> yeah it's ok to leave it charged
Jun 18 00:22:44 <ecc3g> err plugged in... it actually will use the battery occasionally when plugged in and recharge it,seems counterintuitive but it's better for the battery that way
Jun 18 00:23:20 <jonwil> but yeah it seems like the fastest way to drain the battery is to pass through an area of weak cell signal where it goes to low bars or no signal
Jun 18 00:23:39 <jonwil> since it has to turn all the cellular amplifiers up to maximum in an attempt to get a connection
Jun 18 00:23:45 <ecc3g> or just use the phone heh
Jun 18 00:24:12 <jonwil> That and using the browser (especially using the browser over cellular)
Jun 18 00:24:20 <jonwil> Calls don't seem to be quite as bad as the browser
Jun 18 00:24:32 <jonwil> Probably because stock microb is such a CPU hog :(
Jun 18 00:24:40 <ecc3g> heck use calls and the browser at the same time...
Jun 18 00:25:21 <ecc3g> oh...heck... use the camera, record a video with the flash turned on as a flashlight.
Jun 18 00:25:26 <ecc3g> at the same time :o
Jun 18 00:25:41 <jonwil> I never use the flash
Jun 18 00:25:49 <jonwil> well not for lights
Jun 18 00:25:51 <jonwil> or video
Jun 18 00:25:53 <jonwil> I never record video
Jun 18 00:26:06 <jonwil> I take photos and if the flash activates for that, its because the phone automatically decided to use it
Jun 18 00:26:12 <jonwil> I never specifically turn flash on or off
Jun 18 00:26:31 <ecc3g> download a flashlight app :D
Jun 18 00:27:18 <ecc3g> though I've noticed with the bq script that using the camera to display on the screen eats battery like mad, too
Jun 18 00:28:04 <jonwil> ok so bq.sh says ttf is 0 and the battery is full. Yet the charge state light is flashing orange and not steady green like it should be for a full battery
Jun 18 00:28:09 <jonwil> Whats up with that?
Jun 18 00:28:23 <jonwil> Another sign that its time for a new battery? :)
Jun 18 00:29:02 <ecc3g> it's doing topoff now... should turn green soon
Jun 18 00:29:50 <ecc3g> bme and the bq chip can be very different unfortunately, for a stock setup
Jun 18 00:39:58 <jonwil> So the fact that bq27200.sh is only listing 904mAh for "last discharge" and "NAC/CACD/CACT" means I need a new battery?
Jun 18 00:40:28 <jonwil> Any idea what a stock fresh battery is supposed to have as capacity?
Jun 18 00:42:49 <jonwil> The battery I am using now is not the one that came with the phone, its one I bought loose from a supplier about a year and a half ago or so
Jun 18 00:42:55 <jonwil> maybe a bit longer
Jun 18 00:43:20 <jonwil> Its possible its not a genuine Nokia and doesn't have the lifetime of a proper Nokia bl5j
Jun 18 00:43:27 <jonwil> hence why its starting to fail now
Jun 18 00:47:29 <ecc3g> likely... a good official nokia cell should be around 1300mAh
Jun 18 00:47:44 <ecc3g> My aged nokia cell is now at 1010mAh
Jun 18 00:48:21 <ecc3g> the funny thing is that it hasn't dropped noticeably in a long time...
Jun 18 00:58:34 <jonwil> Now the hard part will be finding a trustworthy source for a new still-at-proper-capacity genuine bl-5j
Jun 18 01:06:35 <jonwil> I wonder if using 2g vs 3g will or will not save the battery life
Jun 18 01:07:27 <jonwil> particularly given that the train trips I take on a regular basis have areas with low or no 2G signal
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