**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 07 02:59:58 2015 Jul 07 06:31:35 * Maxdamantus wonders if having an N900 connected with USB while off works as a backup to the battery that keeps the RTC/bq272xx things alive. Jul 07 06:32:18 * Maxdamantus has to change his SIM card soon. Jul 07 06:36:27 most likely not Jul 07 06:36:39 but if you switch battery quick you have a chance Jul 07 06:37:16 though if you change battery it should rre-learn anyway Jul 07 06:37:50 Probably can't do it that quick. Jul 07 06:38:11 Currently have a few slices of paper in too. Jul 07 06:39:06 I sometimes shut it down by lifting the battery up for a split second, which doesn't reset the battery information. Jul 07 06:48:51 Maxdamantus: I changed my SIM card a week ago, and still have CI=0 Jul 07 06:49:29 Yeah, but is your backup battery dead? Jul 07 06:49:31 there is a capacitor to keep the bq27 memory alive Jul 07 06:49:51 probably, since I had to reset the time clock Jul 07 06:50:46 Hm. I think I do remember losing the time a while ago but not having to redo the bq information. Jul 07 06:51:22 but I didn't take it fully out, maybe it's okay. Jul 07 06:55:27 Maxdamantus: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2015-02-05.log.html#t2015-02-05T13:11:07 Jul 07 06:57:21 Okay. Jul 07 06:59:38 I did a worst-case computation to know how long it would last without battery back then (based on I_max of RBI, C, and VPOR) but I kinda forgot the result Jul 07 06:59:58 iirc we have at least a min or something in that magnitude order Jul 07 08:45:19 Hm. Wonder if my work is going to give me the right factor SIM card .. dunno how common 1FFs are today. Jul 07 08:46:21 They asked for my phone number and ICCID, don't think the form factor. Jul 07 08:47:40 Oh, maybe microSIMs embedded in a full SIM bracket thing are common. Jul 07 08:49:10 eh, not full/micro .. confusing names .. mini/nano, maybe. Jul 07 08:49:45 or mini/micro Jul 07 09:00:58 yeah, usually you get normal sim bracketed to smaller factors Jul 07 09:12:59 moin :) Jul 07 12:16:45 talk is getting INDEX reset due to malfunctioning searches (may take a couple of hours and talk may be very unresponsive) Jul 07 13:13:11 hi guys Jul 07 13:14:06 someone live? Jul 07 13:23:06 Need a little help, my Nokia N900 lost IMEI number. Jul 07 13:24:28 Think that ANATEL exclude remotely my IMEI, someone have a case similar? Jul 07 13:25:29 My device is now a Tablet, not have 3G broadband :-( Jul 07 13:26:20 What do you mean 'lost' Jul 07 13:27:32 I typing code "#*06#", response is "IMEI: " Jul 07 13:29:41 I'm brazillian my english is poor , sorry my bad english :( Jul 07 13:33:44 Weird. Wait a bit for other people to respond Jul 07 13:33:45 They may know Jul 07 13:33:51 *#06# Jul 07 13:33:52 on IRC it can take a few hours for people to respond Jul 07 13:34:37 does *#0000# work? Jul 07 13:34:53 Sorry I'm newbie in IRC Jul 07 13:36:58 downgraded software at any time? Jul 07 13:37:22 typing code *#0000# works, respond with version of firmware "V20.2010.36-2.002" RX-51, NOKIA N900 Jul 07 13:38:51 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63730 Jul 07 13:38:58 might be help Jul 07 13:40:12 but i'm not sure exactly what you need to do Jul 07 13:40:45 i'm going to guess that your modem is busted Jul 07 13:41:21 I donwgraded FW for testing and brick device :-( Jul 07 13:41:41 can't brick a n900 Jul 07 13:42:05 if the modem is busted, the modem is busted Jul 07 13:42:07 that's a hardware problem Jul 07 13:42:11 a fairly common one, iirc Jul 07 13:42:52 err, one of the threads said imei gone missing is something that happens when downgrading Jul 07 13:43:06 neat, then just re-upgrade Jul 07 13:43:21 that'd be the first thing to try Jul 07 13:43:31 full flash of whatever you had before Jul 07 13:44:22 Repository of Images FW, someone have a mirror? Jul 07 13:45:02 ~pr131 Jul 07 13:45:09 hm, infobot's gone Jul 07 14:03:34 Need a Link for download a firmware, Jul 07 14:07:22 I try change number IMEI with ifconfig and don't works :-( Jul 07 14:09:02 Someone have a mirror of Firmwares Repository of Nokia N900? Jul 07 14:22:43 kaizerslawten: check the topic Jul 07 14:33:22 kaizerslawten: did I tell you to query me? Jul 07 14:36:27 Humpelst1lzchen don't understand, you for check a topic. Jul 07 14:37:01 sorry my english is very poor Jul 07 14:37:41 Humpelst1lzchen don't understand, you say for me check a topic. Jul 07 14:40:59 uh oh Jul 07 14:41:12 dreaded 'imei gone' Jul 07 14:42:11 kaizerslawten: He means the IRC room's topic. When you say the words that start with "~", there is supposed to be a robot that is in the room that says a reply, but it is gone right now (for some reason). Jul 07 14:42:29 I sent him a private message with info on a place to get the firmware. Jul 07 14:42:55 Now I understand :D Jul 07 14:47:40 kaizerslawten: +#06# *always* succeeds, no matter if SIM or no SIM. Sio remove SIM, try again. If fail, try: Jul 07 14:47:43 ~flashing Jul 07 14:47:52 :-/ Jul 07 14:48:03 doc: it succeed3ed, just showed empty imei Jul 07 14:48:14 which is the case with downgrading or bad modem Jul 07 14:48:18 that's ame a s no IMEI Jul 07 14:49:14 *#06# clearly shows 'imei: ' Jul 07 14:49:28 so? Jul 07 14:49:37 so thats what everyone calls it Jul 07 14:49:56 on my phone it clearly shows "IMEI: ", despite no SIM Jul 07 14:50:16 yeah, but with bad flash/modem it will show empty imei Jul 07 14:50:23 which is his casde Jul 07 14:50:26 *case Jul 07 14:50:31 yes, that's why I suggested ~flashing Jul 07 14:50:48 and as i remember from tmo, reflash doesnt help Jul 07 14:50:50 ~flashing Jul 07 14:50:50 you dont need a sim to make certain calls, but if the modem doesnt have an imei you probably cant call 112 :P Jul 07 14:50:52 well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Jul 07 14:51:31 KotCzarny: when reflash doesn't help, you're suffering the broken modem solder points issue and have a defect device Jul 07 14:51:41 infobot: Go test this Jul 07 14:52:02 kaizerslawten: it's a bot Jul 07 14:52:21 ~tell kaizerslawten about flashing Jul 07 14:52:48 I'm Newbie in IRC Jul 07 14:53:02 that's why I tell you :-) Jul 07 14:53:29 you got a linux PC? Jul 07 14:54:11 if yes, I recommend my http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz Jul 07 14:54:17 very convenient Jul 07 14:56:51 remove any SIM during flashing! Jul 07 14:57:10 hmm, since when its a requirement? Jul 07 14:57:17 we seen broken SIM throwing sticks at modem so it didn't come up Jul 07 14:57:59 DocScrutinizer05: Have a PC Linux Jul 07 14:58:14 kaizerslawten: then do what infobot suggested :-) Jul 07 14:58:17 Debian Linux Jul 07 14:58:21 it's self explanatory Jul 07 14:58:37 download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Jul 07 15:04:08 in a shell of course :-) Jul 07 15:05:02 at least the last part. For first two parts you can use Ark, Konqueror, kget/wget whatever you like Jul 07 15:08:36 kaizerslawten: are you from where your name suggests you are? Jul 07 15:12:25 auenf: you can't call 112 without SIM anymore, in Germany (Europe?) Jul 07 15:13:07 got disabled allegedly due to constant abuse Jul 07 15:13:14 I'm from Brazil Jul 07 15:13:51 but no matter what they did on network, they can't delete your IMEI form modem Jul 07 15:14:08 (well, *usually*. Of course there are ways...) Jul 07 15:15:05 He announce in National TV, that non-homologate IMEIs don't in Brazil Jul 07 15:15:12 actually modem manufs invest a great deal of effort into making sure _nobody_ can alter/delete the modem IMEI Jul 07 15:16:30 they can block imei, but not modify it remotely Jul 07 15:16:34 IMEI is like vehicle identification number /VIN/ Jul 07 15:16:43 KotCzarny: exactly Jul 07 15:16:57 block == not allow the modem to register to network Jul 07 15:20:27 exactly Jul 07 15:24:24 Thank you all for support! Jul 07 15:32:10 kaizerslawten: please let me know if yu have any problems with http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz Jul 07 15:34:03 no matter which ones Jul 07 20:30:12 anyone from greece beside qwazix ? Jul 07 20:30:46 guess not, everyone is glued to the tv now Jul 07 20:31:17 the newest one :) Jul 07 20:31:39 btw did china reacted to the situation ? Jul 07 20:31:59 they're owning athen's port doesnt they ? Jul 07 20:32:05 O.o Jul 07 20:32:51 not completely, but yeah Jul 07 20:33:05 what are you talking about? Jul 07 20:33:08 they didn't say anything meaningful afail Jul 07 20:33:12 there is an ongoing similar story in france Jul 07 20:33:12 k* Jul 07 20:33:34 KotCzarny, we relocated a conversation about greece here ;) Jul 07 20:33:49 RzR what? Jul 07 20:33:52 and qwazix deserve moral support Jul 07 20:34:21 qwazix, toulouse's airport is about to be sold to some china company Jul 07 20:34:25 it's good to chat with someone outside Jul 07 20:34:33 :nod: Jul 07 20:34:56 I dont know details of the deal but it is generating some buzz too Jul 07 20:35:25 especialy when buyer is impossible to be located Jul 07 20:35:55 the piraeus deal caused some buzz but it died down quickly. They seem to be getting along Jul 07 20:37:19 what about other currency in the country ? Jul 07 20:37:45 that's being introduced as an idea every day and then denied the next Jul 07 20:38:08 I just sold my last USD last weekend Jul 07 20:38:09 IMO it will be a disaster Jul 07 20:38:34 O.o Jul 07 20:38:52 it will hurt tourism and services (the only things that still somehow work here) Jul 07 20:39:00 I suppose local currencies are not the perfect answer Jul 07 20:39:31 what will hurt tourism ? non euro currencies ? Jul 07 20:39:38 Greece has a long history of currency devaluation. Nothing indicates thia time will be different Jul 07 20:40:14 btw I am wondering how big is greece's private debt compared to the state one ? Jul 07 20:40:15 yeah, tourists like to use their home currency, they spend more :p Jul 07 20:40:49 I don't remember but IIRC not too high Jul 07 20:41:26 it's a cash driven economy and traditionally people keep property/land Jul 07 20:41:26 well it worth to compare because I've been told it it much higher in france or worldwide ? Jul 07 20:42:46 probably is. Mortgage and refinancing is not as common as elsewhere, driving the total debt number Jul 07 20:43:43 down Jul 07 20:44:09 well, state debt IS people's debt Jul 07 20:44:19 it is Jul 07 20:44:31 in a way it's the people that will feel it Jul 07 20:45:30 the thing is that there are actually reforms, state expenditure is down around 30% from 5 years ago Jul 07 20:45:47 but this is not communicated well Jul 07 20:46:08 people think we are just eating money Jul 07 20:47:08 my battery is dying Jul 07 20:47:36 good night and sorry for the channel spam... Jul 07 20:47:39 :) Jul 07 20:49:37 qwazix, take care qwazix **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 08 02:59:58 2015