**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 16 02:59:59 2015 Jul 16 08:52:48 stupid alsa Jul 16 09:37:45 moin :) Jul 16 11:18:27 hehehe, fun Jul 16 11:18:59 alsa lib example tool latency.c also leaves device enabled (ie. blocked) Jul 16 13:51:43 ugh, n8x0's mic/recording is limited to 8kHz Jul 16 13:52:09 and diablo is missing gst-plugins-'bad' Jul 16 13:52:17 castrated all the way Jul 16 14:10:43 i reckon i'll switch to android soon Jul 16 14:10:53 :( Jul 16 14:10:57 got a new toy/ Jul 16 14:12:06 KotCzarny: prolly N810 indeed is pretty fsckdup re audio Jul 16 14:12:13 yeah Jul 16 14:12:29 playing works, mostly Jul 16 14:12:35 recording.. well Jul 16 14:13:13 with the alsa code i made it working, but i run into underruns or some mismatched buffers problems Jul 16 14:13:21 might get to use a samsung galaxy grand prime Jul 16 14:13:26 do you have a moment to help me with the code? Jul 16 14:13:49 specs are kinda crap anyway Jul 16 14:13:54 i dunno Jul 16 14:14:05 that was to the doc Jul 16 14:14:14 i would've liked to buy a neo900 but it costs eleventy billion euros Jul 16 15:30:18 lol, n800 was codenamed gagarin Jul 16 15:31:27 770 was codenamed sputnik and n900 rover Jul 16 15:33:14 n9 'lankku' and n-gage 'starship' Jul 16 15:34:39 :) Jul 16 15:35:12 "rover" is pretty much accurate for n900 Jul 16 15:35:28 rove, rove, rove your boat? Jul 16 15:36:40 is there usb-audio kernel module for n8x0 ? Jul 16 16:58:53 [16610.820312] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio Jul 16 16:58:55 :) Jul 16 17:00:09 pity alsa oss emulation doesnt register the card Jul 16 17:01:40 so, anyone with n8x0, usb gender bender cable, usb audio card and wanting to test usb audio? Jul 16 17:04:42 dont you have a DAC on n8x0 ? Jul 16 17:04:54 more like CAC Jul 16 17:05:01 crap audio converter Jul 16 17:05:39 bencoh, unless you point me to some code that can record good quality audio for n8x0 Jul 16 17:07:45 record ? I thought you wanted to play Jul 16 17:07:56 record, apply effect, then play Jul 16 17:08:07 playing part works fine Jul 16 17:12:08 nice, nfs module Jul 16 17:19:20 I unfortunately don't have the right equip. to test external audio w/ n8x0 Jul 16 17:19:57 at least not at this time... Jul 16 17:20:53 usb audio card eh? Jul 16 17:21:18 yeah, and 100mA max, or with external power hub Jul 16 17:23:06 hm...I'll look Jul 16 17:25:32 B-) Jul 16 17:37:34 I've got a set of usb speakers if thats any help? usb sound, but no mic input obviously Jul 16 17:37:52 dug through a couple of boxes of adapters, cables, plugs and interfaces I have for audio for comp and devices....no I don't have a usb audio card handy.. Jul 16 17:38:16 vectis, if your usb speakers have minijack too, then they use usb only for power Jul 16 17:38:56 no, it's all on the usb cable. Jul 16 17:39:08 and do you have n8x0 ? Jul 16 17:39:22 yep :) Jul 16 17:39:27 n810 Jul 16 17:39:41 and usb adapter to connect them to n810? Jul 16 17:40:29 yer, got the cables. Just looking for a powered hub Jul 16 17:43:08 Just looking for the last piece of the puzzle.......... the power supply Jul 16 17:50:08 [78860.308593] usb 1-1.4: Product: USB Audio [78860.308593] usb 1-1.4: Manufacturer: C-Media INC. [78860.308593] usb 1-1.4: device v0d8c p0001 is not supported Jul 16 17:50:31 lsmod |grep usb-audio Jul 16 17:50:54 or lsmod|grep usb_audio Jul 16 17:51:16 nothing Jul 16 17:51:21 https://transfer.sh/19OFqz/n810-extra.tar.gz Jul 16 17:51:24 here are modules Jul 16 17:51:36 built for n800, but n810's kernel is almost identical Jul 16 17:57:26 hmm, insmod: can't open 'snd_#####.ko': No such file or directory thats for all of them Jul 16 17:57:43 dmesg? Jul 16 17:57:52 Hi Jul 16 17:57:59 also, are you in the directory with .ko files? Jul 16 17:59:13 i soldered my n900 usb port again. looks like my battery is dead, no matter because i got more of them! Jul 16 17:59:25 also, i've made a script that will load modules in correct order Jul 16 18:00:05 but is there any known way to fix with lower capacity or something? Jul 16 18:03:45 DerHat: the only known fix for a battery with lowered capacity is a *new* battery :) Jul 16 18:05:07 ok, i got 2 dead batteries :/ Jul 16 18:05:40 :) Jul 16 18:05:44 n900 needs so much time! Jul 16 18:05:50 my hobby: maemo n900 Jul 16 18:05:51 :D Jul 16 18:06:06 just buy some chinese one for a quick-fix, then hunt for brand new original one Jul 16 18:06:56 not original, but powercell ;) Jul 16 18:06:59 ~powercell Jul 16 18:07:08 hmm Jul 16 18:07:08 original powercell Jul 16 18:07:14 yeah Jul 16 18:08:56 maybe one of my batteries is getting a zombie if i overvoltage or just wait some hrs Jul 16 18:10:14 nothing doing. I extracted the tar.gz and cd to the folder. ran the script and I get the same "No such file or directory" 8 times (run as su) Jul 16 18:10:50 hmm Jul 16 18:10:52 hmm, google knows nothing about "powercell bl5j" Jul 16 18:11:49 vectis: weird Jul 16 18:12:14 aaah. ok script fails because i've used lsmod output, silly me Jul 16 18:12:27 do ls, then copypaste the name Jul 16 18:12:47 grep usb-audio now waits at the promt, returned nothing before Jul 16 18:13:50 vectis: try: insmod snd-rawmidi.ko Jul 16 18:14:42 that worked Jul 16 18:14:55 k, then change all _ into - in the script and just run Jul 16 18:15:14 or load by hand, whichever is faster Jul 16 18:16:21 ha ha, just spotted that! gimme five....... Jul 16 18:17:36 DerHat: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PolarCell-Battery-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-Bl-5j-Xpress-Music-Xm-/331336409344?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d25306100 Jul 16 18:17:53 that one (1500 mAh) Jul 16 18:18:09 freemangordon.. thats polarcell, not powercell Jul 16 18:18:12 ~polarcell Jul 16 18:18:12 i heard polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement Jul 16 18:18:24 oh, stupid, blind me :D Jul 16 18:18:24 typo day or what? Jul 16 18:18:30 yeah, typo day Jul 16 18:19:24 :) Jul 16 18:19:25 I even disassembled my second device to read how *exactly* it is written Jul 16 18:19:26 5,55 W/h Jul 16 18:19:47 polarcell <3 Jul 16 18:20:00 yeah, but still I googled for powercell :D Jul 16 18:20:27 even though the "last charge" slowly decreases over time Jul 16 18:20:40 pity Jul 16 18:20:42 well, that's normal afaik Jul 16 18:20:49 1492 when I bought it, 1475 as of now Jul 16 18:20:53 yeah, li-ion fun Jul 16 18:20:55 (6 months later iirc) Jul 16 18:20:55 not that bad Jul 16 18:21:02 ok, the lights are on. usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio Jul 16 18:21:03 yeah, not that bad Jul 16 18:21:25 vectis: woo-hoo, now, i wonder what's the alsa id of this card Jul 16 18:21:49 daily use, charge every two days (roughly) from ~50% to 100% Jul 16 18:22:01 just tell me what buttons to press :D Jul 16 18:22:04 > W/h Jul 16 18:22:06 you can try: mplayer -ao alsa=hw:1,0 Jul 16 18:22:14 you can try: mplayer -ao alsa=hw:1,0 some.mp3 Jul 16 18:22:52 or: mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw:1,0 some.mp3 Jul 16 18:22:55 bencoh: how do you manage to go through more than one day with a single charge? I guess your n900 is not your only device. Jul 16 18:24:20 hmmm, i'll have to install mplayer. I'll get back to you asap. I need coffee......... Jul 16 18:24:50 yes, you Jul 16 18:24:53 i've just checked, proper syntax is: mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=1.0 some.mp3 Jul 16 18:25:03 oakies Jul 16 18:25:21 you may try different hw combinations Jul 16 18:25:30 don't know which id it got assigned Jul 16 18:26:01 freemangordon: laptop at work and at home, 3G only when needed (web or tethering) Jul 16 18:26:38 do you have IM and/or email accounts? Jul 16 18:26:58 ssh/irssi over gprs Jul 16 18:27:03 vectis: you may check /proc/asound/cards Jul 16 18:27:21 (and mutt over ssh for mails :) Jul 16 18:28:32 and I dont need to send tcp keepalives so it doesnt need to wake the cpu too often Jul 16 18:28:50 (basically when I use it or when I receive data to display on screen/terminal) Jul 16 18:29:09 bencoh: weird, could be the cells quality, but I can't make more than a day with gtalk and fb chat and gmail/exchange accounts over 2G Jul 16 18:29:55 or they keep waking it up Jul 16 18:30:18 keepalives at tcp or application level Jul 16 18:30:31 if you set them to 120s it's not that bad Jul 16 18:30:41 how does fb chat work btw ? http/json api ? Jul 16 18:30:48 hi... where can i get images for OS reflash Jul 16 18:30:48 but if server doesnt' disconnect you for idling, no need to Jul 16 18:30:56 ~flashing Jul 16 18:30:56 it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Jul 16 18:30:57 bencoh: xmpp? Jul 16 18:31:12 freemangordon: oh, didnt know it still worked with fb Jul 16 18:31:18 ~combined Jul 16 18:31:18 methinks combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ Jul 16 18:31:21 I thought they closed that a long time ago Jul 16 18:31:37 sweet ty KotCzarny Jul 16 18:31:44 ~fiasco Jul 16 18:31:44 L4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ Jul 16 18:31:49 :) Jul 16 18:31:51 hehe Jul 16 18:31:54 bencoh: suprisingly, it still works, albeit st is officially closed :) Jul 16 18:32:07 s/st/it Jul 16 18:33:51 oh :) Jul 16 18:34:00 freemangordon: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6120#section-4.6 (xmpp keepalive) Jul 16 18:38:02 bencoh: so you think both fb and gtalk send keepalives? Jul 16 18:38:17 either the server or the client, yes Jul 16 18:38:39 most likely the client Jul 16 18:38:57 hmm, that might explain the "no more than a day" case Jul 16 18:39:01 I think they cut the session if they dont receive it Jul 16 18:39:40 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7967585/how-does-facebook-chat-tcp-connection-keep-alive Jul 16 18:40:11 (hmm I usually dont let ssh run all day long btw) Jul 16 18:40:12 well, but on the other hand - I don;t believe such keepalives are send that often Jul 16 18:40:26 I'd say one every minute Jul 16 18:40:34 which is not that much Jul 16 18:40:42 hm yeah, not that much Jul 16 18:40:45 freemangordon, let it idle for 1h, and compare /proc/*/net/* counters Jul 16 18:41:37 but I enabled it for ssh once (shitty internet uplink with tcp timeout) and battery decreased more quickly Jul 16 18:41:39 or rather run tcpdump for 10 minutes :) Jul 16 18:41:44 yeah :) Jul 16 18:41:48 that would work too Jul 16 18:42:10 bencoh: define "more quickly" Jul 16 18:42:41 unfortunately I didnt keep track of the numbers Jul 16 18:42:57 well, subjectively Jul 16 18:43:02 or: freemangordon, don't use facebook for one day Jul 16 18:43:03 ;) Jul 16 18:43:06 but it was like "oh hey, 20% just disappeared in 2h" or something like that Jul 16 18:43:12 oh Jul 16 18:43:46 (ssh from my computer to the n900) Jul 16 18:44:05 (wireless) Jul 16 18:44:28 KotCzarny: i will have to disable both fb and gtalk Jul 16 18:44:39 freemangordon: do it Jul 16 18:44:41 :) Jul 16 18:45:22 though, I am going to WOA in 10 days, I guess I can use the time I'll be there to disconnect from the social networks and chats :) Jul 16 18:45:22 freemangordon: irssi+bitlbee (or the other xmpp/irc gateway .. forgot the name) over ssh ? 0:) Jul 16 18:45:52 oh you're actually dropping fb/gtalk for real forever ? Jul 16 18:45:57 no Jul 16 18:46:26 just 4 days while I'll be in Germany :) Jul 16 18:46:31 :) Jul 16 18:46:40 ~woa Jul 16 18:46:55 ~google woa Jul 16 18:47:03 ~search woa Jul 16 18:47:05 meh :) Jul 16 18:47:16 ~WOA is Wacken Open Air Jul 16 18:47:16 freemangordon: okay Jul 16 18:47:39 haha Jul 16 18:48:33 anyway, with ~80000 people on a couple of cells, I doubt there will be much of a connectivity :D Jul 16 18:49:11 haha Jul 16 18:49:21 microwavefest Jul 16 18:49:22 yeah, best to just switch to offline mode Jul 16 18:49:49 KotCzarny: ear damages werent enough 0:) Jul 16 18:50:08 well, not offline, but disconnected from internet Jul 16 18:50:41 I guess there'll be no need to charge Jul 16 18:51:03 yeah, it should last 5 days with no connectivity Jul 16 18:51:24 hmm, maybe not, that's if you keep it in your pocket and dont really use it Jul 16 18:51:50 will see Jul 16 18:52:23 and .... shit ... I forgot mtr running since yesterday ... again. :D Jul 16 18:52:52 that's the one battery killer I always forget about Jul 16 18:52:53 ~/MyDocs/.sounds $ mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=1.0 Moby-In_My_Heart.mp3 ->> alsa-lib: pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw:1,0 Jul 16 18:52:57 mtr is? Jul 16 18:53:24 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTR_(software) (traceroute) Jul 16 18:53:31 oh Jul 16 18:53:44 vectis: can you show /proc/asound/cards Jul 16 18:53:50 much better than traceroute, really handy Jul 16 18:53:54 yeah Jul 16 18:54:04 bencoh, but they return different results sometimes Jul 16 18:54:10 KotCzarny: indeed Jul 16 18:54:56 and ... with slow/lossy networks and strange uplinks/backbones it can make it easier to get a tcp/ssh session open ... dont ask me why Jul 16 18:55:23 because it keeps celltower awaken Jul 16 18:55:29 ie. not freeing timeslot Jul 16 18:55:35 1 [Audio ]: USB-Audio - USB Audio C-Media INC. USB Audio at usb-musb_hdrc-1.4, full speed Jul 16 18:55:35 maybe Jul 16 18:55:38 similar efect with ping -s8 8.8.8.8 Jul 16 18:55:48 KotCzarny: on 2G? I doubt Jul 16 18:56:04 there are no dedicated slots for data on 2G iirc Jul 16 18:56:11 I suspect it involves some terrible routing table management Jul 16 18:56:13 freemangordon: tested and tried, ping every 1s and it's much better for ssh Jul 16 18:56:28 KotCzarny: again, on 2G or 3G? Jul 16 18:56:48 s/routing table/FIB (forwarding information base/table) on some routers/l3-switches Jul 16 18:56:51 KotCzarny: also, remember there is iphbd running on n900 ;) Jul 16 18:57:09 iphbd ? Jul 16 18:57:18 ~iphb Jul 16 18:57:26 ~iphbd Jul 16 18:57:27 freemangordon: no matter, when i need interactivity i just run ping in the background (-s8 to keep is small datawise) Jul 16 18:57:49 vectis: /proc/asound/devices ? Jul 16 18:58:31 bencoh: IP heartbeat daemon or somesuch Jul 16 18:58:34 wow, I never noticed it running Jul 16 18:58:52 0: [ 0] : control 32: [ 1] : control 33: : timer 48: [ 1- 0]: digital audio playback Jul 16 18:59:08 hmm, it should work as 1.0 then Jul 16 18:59:35 afaik it delays data transmission until a timeout has expired or there is enough data to be send, thus preventiong radios from waking up too often Jul 16 18:59:41 bencoh: ^^^ Jul 16 19:00:04 hmm Jul 16 19:00:11 it might be just that then Jul 16 19:00:20 sounds a bit silly but ... Jul 16 19:00:50 I guess a poor single tcp syn just wouldnt have any chance alone Jul 16 19:01:01 is it opensource ? Jul 16 19:01:05 no :D Jul 16 19:01:09 shit :D Jul 16 19:01:12 but there is dbus iface Jul 16 19:01:17 haha Jul 16 19:01:23 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_dbus#com.nokia.iphbd Jul 16 19:01:36 thx Jul 16 19:01:37 look at the header Jul 16 19:01:51 http://www.cncmods.net/files/dbus/libiphb.h woooh Jul 16 19:02:29 hmm Jul 16 19:02:36 there is also a kernel module (FOSS) iirc Jul 16 19:02:42 looks like you explicitly need to use it Jul 16 19:02:45 oh Jul 16 19:03:32 https://github.com/nemomobile/libiphb/tree/master/src Jul 16 19:04:30 seems it has been open-sourced after all Jul 16 19:04:37 neat Jul 16 19:05:11 wonder if telepathy/rtcom-messaging makes use of it Jul 16 19:06:13 I'd bet on that Jul 16 19:06:19 vectis, btw. is there /dev/dsp file? (ignore /dev/dsptask*) Jul 16 19:07:48 bencoh: seem nemomobile iphbd has some differences compared to maemo, but I wonder if I should arm IDA and RE it, should be pretty much easy task with all those headers and source code around Jul 16 19:08:49 freemangordon: do it Jul 16 19:09:00 yer, dsp1 Jul 16 19:09:12 vectis: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ikt2FUUq Jul 16 19:09:22 put contents into ~/.asoundrc Jul 16 19:09:30 then try mplayer -ao alsa some.mp3 Jul 16 19:12:21 KotCzarny: on the other hand - why noone else want to do RE work? It is not *that* hard! Jul 16 19:12:33 *wants Jul 16 19:12:37 freemangordon: it doesnt look like a critical part of maemo, but well if you have some time :) Jul 16 19:13:08 freemangordon: it is for someone who doesn't have tools/knowledge/experience Jul 16 19:13:18 * freemangordon looks for volunteers to do RE job, with my help :) Jul 16 19:13:32 freemangordon: make a wiki thread Jul 16 19:13:37 i mean tmo thread Jul 16 19:13:46 KotCzarny: hmm, might work Jul 16 19:14:16 on another note, my usb audio card claims to suck 500mA, yet, usb meter only shows ~30mA Jul 16 19:14:31 now i need some gender bender for my n800 Jul 16 19:14:48 KotCzarny: connect headphones to it and raise the volume up Jul 16 19:15:05 low-resistance ones Jul 16 19:15:07 i've connected it to stereo box Jul 16 19:15:34 but i know that it can eat more Jul 16 19:15:41 that is why only 30 mA Jul 16 19:15:53 still, nice to know i can connect it to n800 and use as a grabber card Jul 16 19:16:07 without external power Jul 16 19:16:24 doesn't it require CPU resources? Jul 16 19:16:38 dont know, what for? Jul 16 19:17:05 i mean, apart from data moving Jul 16 19:18:26 hmm, do I need to reboot? Jul 16 19:18:32 vectis, nope Jul 16 19:18:48 no idea, I am under impression USB is not the most effective when it comes to low CPU usage Jul 16 19:18:53 still no go........... Jul 16 19:19:03 vectis, same error msg? Jul 16 19:19:25 yer Jul 16 19:19:25 freemangordon: I'm writing assembly on a DSP at $NEWJOB (2 weeks) so I might be of some help with RE-ing stuff and asm after some time :) Jul 16 19:19:40 freemangordon: yeah, and it's usb1, still, working solution is better than non working low power solution Jul 16 19:20:17 bencoh: can we has dsp based equalizer on n8x0/n900? Jul 16 19:20:18 :) Jul 16 19:20:19 bencoh: C64+? O.o Jul 16 19:20:28 freemangordon: hm no Jul 16 19:20:57 wait, wait, why assembly? Jul 16 19:21:15 because ... there is no C compiler for our target :D Jul 16 19:21:25 omg :D Jul 16 19:21:51 (small/specific embedded) Jul 16 19:21:53 what an exotic piece of silicon is that? Jul 16 19:22:17 if not under NDA ofc :) Jul 16 19:22:37 vectis: don't forget to remove that .asoundrc file, it can interfere with the system Jul 16 19:22:59 I'm afraid it is (full specs arent public and it's not in our product description either) :( Jul 16 19:23:23 but that's one for sound processing Jul 16 19:25:16 vectis: mplayer -ao oss:/dev/dsp1 some.mp3 ? Jul 16 19:27:49 KotCzarny: :( nope Jul 16 19:27:55 same msg? Jul 16 19:28:38 doesn't mention alsa this time but much the same Jul 16 19:28:59 mplayer -ao oss:/dev/dsp1 some.mp3 >debug.txt 2>&1 Jul 16 19:29:09 then can you share the file somehow? Jul 16 19:32:12 http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d4663d931 Jul 16 19:32:37 funny maemo-laucher depends on it Jul 16 19:32:45 calls home? Jul 16 19:34:49 vectis: cat /proc/asound/pcm ? Jul 16 19:36:16 hmm there is a kernel module indeed Jul 16 19:36:27 wow, Maemo is pre-NPTL :o Jul 16 19:36:31 http://pastebin.com/4shP0bVA Jul 16 19:36:36 01-00: USB Audio : USB Audio : playback 1 Jul 16 19:45:24 hrm, found my usb micro to usb cable. pity n800 uses usb mini o.o Jul 16 19:45:57 Luke-Jr: hmm? 2.6.28 Jul 16 20:01:59 unrelated but nice: http://alsa.opensrc.org/TwoCardsAsOne Jul 16 20:13:36 freemangordon: yeah, NPTL appears to need 2.6.32 :x Jul 16 20:15:18 :] Jul 16 20:16:27 hmm, I thought that all 2.6.x kernels have NPTL Jul 16 20:19:21 man pthreads says the same Jul 16 20:19:26 Luke-Jr: ^^^ Jul 16 20:20:39 freemangordon: well, glibc 2.20 apparently begs to differ and won't work with <2.6.32 :/ Jul 16 20:21:41 afaik it is bacause the kernel misses other things that glibc needs Jul 16 20:21:45 *because Jul 16 20:22:49 i removed the check and it crashes :3 Jul 16 20:23:14 the previous version works afair Jul 16 20:23:15 2.19 crashes for me :/ Jul 16 20:23:57 but why did you decide it is NPTL that is the problem? Jul 16 20:26:53 "You need a kernel of at least 2.6.32 for NPTL support!" Jul 16 20:28:27 well, that sounds like 2.20 requires some features in 2.6.32 to enable NPTL, but doesn't sound like there is no NPTL support in 2.6.28 Jul 16 20:40:08 well, the main problem is that 2.20 won't work with 2.6.28 Jul 16 20:45:10 I thought there were some patches out there for 2.19 ? Jul 16 21:13:16 2.20 > 2.19 Jul 16 23:01:34 heh, all that audio talk here made me think, is there frequency response measurement software for n900? Jul 16 23:01:51 most likely yes Jul 16 23:01:55 tho i guess n900 mic quality wouldn't be enough Jul 16 23:03:11 also i just noticed that yappari has disconnected and wont connect again Jul 16 23:03:55 just checking to see if there is an update, but ham is taking her time....as usually Jul 16 23:04:54 btw KotCzarny, most likely yes for ap or insufficient mic quality? Jul 16 23:05:12 for fft display/finder Jul 16 23:06:01 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/tuner/ Jul 16 23:06:11 hmm Jul 16 23:06:16 wrong way, scratch that Jul 16 23:10:54 hmm Jul 16 23:13:41 cool, update fixed yappari Jul 16 23:14:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1343610 Jul 16 23:17:43 I wouldnt worry too much about it not being "good enoug" (well, it's probably terrible anyway :p) ... people do fft/audio measurements with an iphone/ipad these days Jul 16 23:18:40 you can always connect external mic of better quality Jul 16 23:19:20 or do a clean calibration (white noise / pink noise) to get the response curve of the mic Jul 16 23:19:40 that's assuming it's linear over volume/freq Jul 16 23:20:03 err not pink Jul 16 23:20:21 yeah ... you can also try it at different levels :) Jul 16 23:20:49 http://gaydenko.com/qloud/ Jul 16 23:21:46 "The sourceforge.net website is temporarily in static offline mode" wtf Jul 16 23:21:49 (for awt) Jul 16 23:21:51 qwt* Jul 16 23:21:58 yeah, sf has it's ups and downs Jul 16 23:24:12 anyone with qt experience to compile/port qloud ? Jul 16 23:27:25 http://www.roomeqwizard.com/ Jul 16 23:30:23 http://www.minidsp.com/products/acoustic-measurement/umik-1 Jul 16 23:43:47 http://realtraps.com/art_measuring.htm Jul 16 23:51:38 for frequency response you easily can calibrate the most crappy microphone you could find, as long as it does cover the relevant frequency range at all Jul 16 23:52:15 ooh bencoh beat me to it Jul 16 23:53:18 does alsa oss emulation work for n8x0? need it for this to work: http://stian.cubic.org/project-ocp.php Jul 16 23:54:35 vectis: if you talk about internal audio card of n8x0, nope Jul 16 23:54:54 :( Jul 16 23:55:07 you've checked and seen only /dev/dsp1 Jul 16 23:55:24 yer sorry, it's late Jul 16 23:55:53 and if you need player for weird formats, have you checked oscp? Jul 16 23:56:39 it uses uade2 and xmp libs Jul 16 23:56:50 it was the graphic eq that caught my eye Jul 16 23:56:54 hey Jul 16 23:57:20 did someone of you fix a n900 with a broken screen and found data from the previous owner on it? Jul 16 23:57:20 if so, thanks! Jul 16 23:57:43 bencoh slashdot is also in static offline mode Jul 16 23:57:48 seems this thing is huge! Jul 16 23:58:37 vectis: you mean visualization or audio processor? Jul 16 23:58:59 visualization Jul 16 23:59:30 i shall merge oscp and osc one day Jul 16 23:59:59 WHOM OF YOU IS GOING TO BE ON THE CCC CAMP? Jul 17 00:00:00 :d Jul 17 00:00:02 :D Jul 17 00:03:45 (static offline mode) seems today is update day Jul 17 00:04:28 i replaced the sources.list stuff Jul 17 00:04:31 erlehmann: https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Session:Neo900_-_the_smartphone_against_backdoors Jul 17 00:04:33 stuff works again Jul 17 00:04:48 my GF might like this Jul 17 00:04:59 she was frustrated because nokia sources.list entries do not work Jul 17 00:05:12 and she could not install libncursesw5 or something Jul 17 00:06:46 DocScrutinizer05 feel free to come to the hobelschlunzen village Jul 17 00:06:48 we will have sandwiches Jul 17 00:06:56 :-) Jul 17 00:07:14 here https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Hobelschlunzen Jul 17 00:07:14 like your CoC Jul 17 00:07:37 yeah, incidentally i asked the biggest bully i would find in our village to formulate it Jul 17 00:07:47 and she knew exactly what people hated about her behaviour Jul 17 00:07:50 it's great Jul 17 00:07:53 and apparently intends to behave Jul 17 00:08:02 beehave Jul 17 00:08:06 anyway, nite nite Jul 17 00:08:08 the cheap meat thing must go i think Jul 17 00:08:11 rest is fine Jul 17 00:09:57 maybe at the camp someone can help with updating a n900 to recent firmware? Jul 17 00:10:12 ~flashing Jul 17 00:10:13 maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Jul 17 00:11:08 watch out, it does a complete fresh install, not a simple update Jul 17 00:11:27 update would be sth like Jul 17 00:11:29 ~cssu Jul 17 00:11:29 i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Jul 17 00:11:50 on top of such fresh install Jul 17 00:12:27 > flash-it-all.sh Jul 17 00:12:28 hahaha Jul 17 00:12:48 good idea! Jul 17 00:13:28 yeah, it sucked to reflash a dozen devices Jul 17 00:14:45 with this lil fancy, it works like "err what did ya say? sorry, I just flashed a N900" Jul 17 00:14:50 haha Jul 17 00:15:07 incidentally did you know about my implementation of DJB redo http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/redo-sh.html Jul 17 00:16:13 I hardly ever have to deal with make Jul 17 00:16:19 so, alas no Jul 17 00:16:35 DJB has this really neat design Jul 17 00:16:44 and i asked him twice and he claimed to have implemented it Jul 17 00:16:46 but not released Jul 17 00:16:59 so i wrote it myself in like 300 lines of shell script Jul 17 00:17:07 and it is beautiful Jul 17 00:17:22 the shorter the prettier Jul 17 00:17:25 also, see this video of me and a friend trying to imitate alpakas http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/video/20150712_010.webm Jul 17 00:17:33 yeah, deleted code is debugged code Jul 17 00:19:15 actually the only app I ever contributed to maemo by myself has zilch real code at all ;-) Jul 17 00:19:31 DocScrutinizer05 one problem with make is that a file depends on its own build rules – if they change, it should be rebuilt. but if you have a single makefile, that would mean that everything needs to be rebuilt as soon as that file changes. Jul 17 00:20:32 redo solves this by having the rules for a target „foo“ in a dofile called „foo.do“ Jul 17 00:20:33 hmm, yep Jul 17 00:20:47 which is just a shell script that writes the build result to stdout or $3 Jul 17 00:21:15 foo.do builds foo. if no foo.do exists, default.do is used. Jul 17 00:21:52 same for other stuff, so you can type „redo test.png“ and it looks first for test.png.do and then for default.png.do Jul 17 00:21:52 nice concept Jul 17 00:22:02 yeah, i did not invent it. only implement it! Jul 17 00:22:20 but it is very different from make because the dependencies are created from the build Jul 17 00:22:23 not the other way round Jul 17 00:22:41 sorry afk Jul 17 00:24:02 actually good night :-) Jul 17 00:24:11 the magic is in one thing, the command „redo-ifchange” – called from a dofile “redo-ifchange dependency.bin” means “build dependency.bin – and then, if that built changed, rebuilt the current target” Jul 17 00:24:12 good night! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 17 02:59:58 2015