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Jul 18 03:31:44 <^Fizz^> hello!
Jul 18 03:32:37 <^Fizz^> is there anyone that would be willing to answer some of ;y questions?
Jul 18 03:32:42 <^Fizz^> my*
Jul 18 03:32:57 <^Fizz^> i'm relatuvely new to this
Jul 18 03:41:12 <^Fizz^> ok i know the community is pretty much dead, but i really find the concept of maemo interesting
Jul 18 03:41:39 <^Fizz^> so is there no one to bother with an enthousiastic programmer?
Jul 18 03:50:58 <totalizator> ahaha re we? dead? yikes!
Jul 18 04:29:35 <endso> crap nobody told me...wait a sec. [checks pulse]
Jul 18 04:30:36 <endso> That is not the way to win new friends and influence people here man...Our death has been greatly exagerated
Jul 18 04:33:26 <endso> what is this "concept" of maemo you speak of? What we live and breathe is not an abstract...
Jul 18 04:34:06 <endso> Do you have a NIT?
Jul 18 04:34:59 <endso> ~N.I.T.
Jul 18 04:35:30 <endso> what is a N.I.T. infobot?
Jul 18 04:36:00 <endso> infobot?
Jul 18 04:36:42 <endso> ~nit
Jul 18 04:36:42 <infobot> i heard nit is Nokia Internet Tablet
Jul 18 04:36:52 <endso> ah there we go
Jul 18 04:38:02 <endso> he/she/it doesn't care for the caps or perhaps it is the periods
Jul 18 04:39:34 <endso> or both
Jul 18 04:44:36 <endso> ~is maemo dead?
Jul 18 04:45:10 <endso> infobot?
Jul 18 04:45:40 <endso> ~maemo
Jul 18 04:46:16 <endso> hm won't answer those kind of queries
Jul 18 04:46:23 <KotCzarny> people today, asking questions in the middle of the night and expecting answers in 30s
Jul 18 04:46:41 <endso> heheheehhee
Jul 18 04:46:43 <KotCzarny> it's an irc, you ask a question and wait. sometimes days, sometimes weeks
Jul 18 04:46:54 <endso> shouldn't you be asleep gaffer?
Jul 18 04:47:05 <endso> :D
Jul 18 04:47:15 <endso> what time is it there Kot
Jul 18 04:47:26 <KotCzarny> 6:47 (am)
Jul 18 04:47:44 <endso> ah...just waking up then
Jul 18 04:48:54 <endso> y'know I was thinking ...if gtkgep is such a pita...is there another fx processor which would suffice...
Jul 18 04:49:02 <KotCzarny> and i need someone who dabbled with alsa on n8x0
Jul 18 04:49:28 <KotCzarny> because it's almost working, ie. recording and playing now
Jul 18 04:49:42 <KotCzarny> but i get trash on the output
Jul 18 04:50:57 <KotCzarny> mostly because i get trash from the mic tho
Jul 18 04:51:13 <KotCzarny> it works fine with arecord tho
Jul 18 04:51:26 <KotCzarny> hmm.
Jul 18 04:51:48 <KotCzarny> maybe i should just pipe-exec it into gtkgep
Jul 18 04:56:07 <endso> has anyone looked at the old fx processors like freqtweak or glame or ecamegapedal or LOI (lack of interest) or creox or Jesusonic (love Jesusonic) or ELE (excellent low latency effects) ...there are alot of potential candidates..
Jul 18 04:59:01 <endso> 10pm here ...yesterday...I think... your time Kot ...crap that's weird when I think about it...wired on Joe ...wooo!
Jul 18 04:59:20 <KotCzarny> you need something that works with alsa
Jul 18 05:00:19 <KotCzarny> but gtkgep is not bad, and can be easily enhanced (plugins)
Jul 18 05:00:20 <endso> ah...it's gotta be alsa for the n8x0 then..eh?
Jul 18 05:01:00 <KotCzarny> yeah, oss emulation is missing (even after loading the module)
Jul 18 05:01:13 <endso> yeah ..tell me about it...love the pluginds on gtkgep...love it on antiX
Jul 18 05:01:29 <endso> bloody oss..
Jul 18 05:01:40 <endso> pain in the oss
Jul 18 05:02:12 <KotCzarny> but as i said, it is close to working state, just need fixing some obscure bug that i missed apparently
Jul 18 05:03:00 <endso> ah...
Jul 18 05:03:03 <endso> hm..
Jul 18 05:04:25 <endso> concerning alsa and it's necessity and fitting in the dynamic of need for devices Jesusonic would be a very good potential candidate ..
Jul 18 05:04:29 <endso> https://web.archive.org/web/20140616195701/http://www.cockos.com/jesusonic/
Jul 18 05:04:46 <endso> Linux (2.4+, 2.6 recommended x86 only): Jesusonic 0.991 linux (x86) tarball (1.1MB, Jul 15 2005)
Jul 18 05:04:46 <endso>     Supports ALSA and OSS, only tested on Debian unstable distribution, but should work on most recent Linux 2.4 and 2.6 systems. 
Jul 18 05:05:29 <KotCzarny> cool, but it looks like ncurses app (and mind you, n800 is a bit lacking in this matter)
Jul 18 05:05:51 <KotCzarny> though it could be fixed to some extent by cursor pad
Jul 18 05:07:07 <KotCzarny> or via xvkbd
Jul 18 05:07:26 <KotCzarny> also, tarbal is a binary
Jul 18 05:15:23 <endso> ah..right..
Jul 18 05:15:58 <endso> too busy caught in the headlights playing with it...
Jul 18 05:16:07 <KotCzarny> no worries
Jul 18 05:17:48 <endso> obscure bug you say..
Jul 18 05:18:04 <endso> "said" rather...
Jul 18 05:18:18 <KotCzarny> yup
Jul 18 05:18:29 <KotCzarny> mind you, code works on pc
Jul 18 05:18:46 <KotCzarny> it's just something n8x0 specific
Jul 18 05:29:26 <endso> hm...if Jesusonic is out [too bad... love it] ...what about ELE? http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mslutsky/elepage/index.html
Jul 18 05:30:54 <KotCzarny> oss
Jul 18 05:34:20 <endso> argh
Jul 18 05:39:57 <endso> GLAME? ...they got 'er for squeeze armel even...glancing at it's deps it seems ok....https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/armel/glame/download
Jul 18 05:40:51 <KotCzarny> you can try installing it
Jul 18 05:41:05 <KotCzarny> if no libs are missing, it might work without any changes
Jul 18 05:41:18 <KotCzarny> is ladspa available for n8x0 ?
Jul 18 05:44:04 <endso> ladspa-sdk (v. 1.1-6maemo1) for diablo extras-devel
Jul 18 05:44:24 <KotCzarny> umkay, it's recommended, so should work without, but ladspa has bazillion of plugins
Jul 18 05:44:31 <KotCzarny> ie. recommended
Jul 18 05:45:21 <KotCzarny> weird, no one wrote sox gui for realtime effects?
Jul 18 05:50:00 <KotCzarny> darn it. sourceforge is still on a fritz
Jul 18 05:51:22 <KotCzarny> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/jack-rack
Jul 18 05:51:33 <KotCzarny> this one looks like what you want
Jul 18 05:52:37 <KotCzarny> maybe squeeze binary will work
Jul 18 06:10:31 <endso> I dismissed jack-rack as being too way out in req.ments
Jul 18 06:10:44 <KotCzarny> is it?
Jul 18 06:10:51 <endso> You think jack-rack is doable?
Jul 18 06:17:30 <endso> I never even considered anything newer than 2008-ish...figuring it would start getting too needy in "new" dependecies that the n8x0 couldn't handle...so I just dismissed jack-rack out of hand..
Jul 18 06:18:01 <endso> hm..they got Pyjack http://sourceforge.net/projects/py-jack/  
Jul 18 06:18:08 <endso> Brother of Kojak
Jul 18 06:18:11 <endso> :D
Jul 18 06:19:05 <endso> I never considered ladspa at all...I didn't know it was available for diablo
Jul 18 06:20:17 <KotCzarny> as you've said, ladspa-sdk is available
Jul 18 06:25:13 <endso> got some looky-looing to do.
Jul 18 06:29:38 <KotCzarny> hum
Jul 18 06:29:40 <KotCzarny> it built
Jul 18 06:29:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 18 06:30:12 <endso> wha?
Jul 18 06:30:21 <KotCzarny> jack-rack in scratchbox
Jul 18 06:30:32 <endso> wha-wha?
Jul 18 06:30:54 <endso> ok ...I'm installing it
Jul 18 06:30:59 <endso> hehehehehe
Jul 18 06:31:11 <KotCzarny> no, it needs some source patching, but it built
Jul 18 06:31:20 <endso> 'splosion!
Jul 18 06:31:28 <endso> ah
Jul 18 06:31:34 <KotCzarny> going to test on n800
Jul 18 06:32:52 <endso> Fired one of mine up...
Jul 18 06:38:43 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jul 18 06:38:49 <KotCzarny> jackd needs mmap for alsa
Jul 18 06:39:23 <KotCzarny> let's see if it can be persuaded to run anyway
Jul 18 06:46:07 <endso> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12267&highlight=JACK+Audio+Connection+Kit 
Jul 18 06:46:32 <KotCzarny> ALSA lib pcm.c:2105:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_mmap_emul.so
Jul 18 06:46:34 <KotCzarny> doh.
Jul 18 06:46:41 <KotCzarny> castrated everywhere 
Jul 18 06:46:50 <endso> some have attempted this path......still reading...may be something of value here
Jul 18 06:59:03 <endso> bloody hell..of course there is jack for fremantle... 
Jul 18 06:59:09 <endso> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/j/jack-audio-connection-kit/
Jul 18 06:59:47 <KotCzarny> there is also jackd for diablo, but the bloody driver doesnt support mmap that jackd requires
Jul 18 07:01:08 <endso> yup
Jul 18 07:01:23 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jul 18 07:01:38 <KotCzarny> maybe i should check the jackd on usb audio 
Jul 18 07:02:32 <endso> there's an idea
Jul 18 07:02:53 <endso> hm...https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/alsa-plugins-maemo/sources/spec
Jul 18 07:03:41 <endso> pertaining to jack
Jul 18 07:04:49 <endso> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.extras-cauldron.builds/13710
Jul 18 07:05:07 <endso> build failed in 2010 on fremantle
Jul 18 07:07:56 <endso> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:Factory/alsa-plugins/alsa-plugins.spec?rev=39115bea0c0c31ae214570b040b04f50
Jul 18 07:08:19 <endso> wtf ...jack running on 770?
Jul 18 07:08:28 <KotCzarny> sure, why not
Jul 18 07:09:14 <endso> it should on the n8x0 and n900 then
Jul 18 07:09:33 <KotCzarny> not really, audio driver is different
Jul 18 07:10:03 <endso> well...there'll be a few 770 users dancing...
Jul 18 07:10:19 <KotCzarny> i don't own 770, unfortunatelly
Jul 18 07:11:31 <endso> Sadly I retired mine to the antiquities case...and just throw a battery in to keep her going now..got too many n8x0's and n900's to take care of and a neo coming..
Jul 18 07:11:56 <KotCzarny> is neo done already?
Jul 18 07:12:19 <endso> not yet..but I'm ready for it:D
Jul 18 07:14:43 <endso> should be able to do a wholllleee lot more with the neo that we can't with what we got now.
Jul 18 07:22:48 <KotCzarny> wow, stupid me, snd_usb_audio wasnt' loaded..
Jul 18 07:23:08 <KotCzarny> jackd started, but device hung :)
Jul 18 07:24:29 <endso> ah...
Jul 18 07:24:42 <endso> hmmm...http://www.filewatcher.com/d/Ubuntu/amd64/libs/libasound2-plugins_1.0.15-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb.116606.html
Jul 18 07:25:06 <KotCzarny> 1/ dont try anything not for armel
Jul 18 07:25:13 <KotCzarny> 2/ diablo has alsa 1.0.14
Jul 18 07:26:23 <endso> /usr/share/doc/libasound2-plugins/README-maemo.gz .....2nd window down or 3rd down
Jul 18 07:27:13 <KotCzarny> i'm missing that file
Jul 18 07:27:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 18 07:28:07 <KotCzarny> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/alsa-dsp/
Jul 18 07:28:08 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jul 18 07:31:19 <KotCzarny> nice and dandy, but where the heck is: include/lldsp/lldsp.h:33:31: dsp/audio_dsptask.h: No such file or directory
Jul 18 07:34:29 <KotCzarny> bencoh: ping
Jul 18 07:44:12 <endso> yawning too much...been up since 5am...and it's almost 1am here now...need to hit the snort-fort...back with coffee mug in hand in the morning...
Jul 18 07:44:21 <KotCzarny> yeah, nite nite
Jul 18 07:44:53 <KotCzarny> pali: maybe perchance you know where to get audio_dsptask.h ?
Jul 18 07:45:11 <Pali> google?
Jul 18 07:45:15 <KotCzarny> unhelpful
Jul 18 07:45:33 <Pali> why do you need it?
Jul 18 07:45:43 <KotCzarny> to build: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/alsa-dsp/
Jul 18 07:45:45 <Pali> or who depens on it?
Jul 18 07:45:54 <KotCzarny> n8x0 audio driver with mmap
Jul 18 07:46:54 <Pali> no idea
Jul 18 07:47:08 <Pali> try to find out which symbols or defines you need from that file
Jul 18 07:47:15 <Pali> and try to guess what it can be...
Jul 18 07:47:30 <KotCzarny> most likely blackmagic for the dsp programming
Jul 18 07:50:55 <Pali> KotCzarny: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/non-free/o/osso-dsp-modules-rx-44/osso-dsp-headers-rx-44_2008.34.1_all.deb
Jul 18 07:51:02 <Pali> ./usr/include/dsp/audio_dsptask.h
Jul 18 07:51:05 <KotCzarny> cool
Jul 18 07:51:08 <KotCzarny> tyvm
Jul 18 07:51:42 <Pali> DSP headers for OSSO Multimedia framework (RX-44 hardware).
Jul 18 07:52:10 <KotCzarny> now i have to fix compilation errors
Jul 18 07:52:12 <KotCzarny> o.o
Jul 18 07:54:50 <Pali> KotCzarny: here is my search result: http://pastebin.com/VRZWeXZd
Jul 18 07:56:06 <KotCzarny> can you look for dsp_stream_t symbol in headers?
Jul 18 07:56:31 <Pali> I do not have indexed headers files...
Jul 18 07:56:46 <Pali> just name of packages
Jul 18 08:28:58 <KotCzarny> hmm, how can i checkout older files from svn?
Jul 18 08:29:54 <KotCzarny> nvm, repo doesn't have anything earlier
Jul 18 12:04:25 <Santak> yo
Jul 18 12:30:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ashley: are you the wikimedia wizard? would you have some spare time to /join irc.hackint.org #camp-wiki and help out those guys with plugins on https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/ ?
Jul 18 12:30:55 <DocScrutinizer05> (use SSL!)
Jul 18 12:32:07 <DocScrutinizer05> [Info] Looking for server irc.hackint.org (port 9999)...   [SSL Connection Warning] The SSL certificate for the server irc.hackint.org (port 9999) failed the authenticity check.
Jul 18 12:46:58 <DerHat> hi, doc
Jul 18 13:16:44 <L29Ah> the VDQ flag got dropped for no apparent reason :/
Jul 18 14:09:18 <ashley> DocScrutinizer05: aye, I'm the local (somewhat busy, but also lazy) MediaWiki guru (MediaWiki being the software and Wikimedia being the instance that hosts Wikipedia and related projects); I'll see what I can do
Jul 18 14:09:43 <DocScrutinizer05> great! :-)
Jul 18 15:01:23 <Alphadog> Hi. I have a question. I installed latest maemo testing on my n900. It seems that the original nokia repositories are no longer available, only the additional comunity repos work. It seems that the community repos don't contai  everything. Is there an alternative.
Jul 18 15:01:36 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Jul 18 15:01:36 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Jul 18 15:02:50 <Alphadog> I also had problems with facebook related stuff. I red i  a forum I must apt-get purge the packages, but I can no longer find and install them.
Jul 18 15:03:05 <KotCzarny> facebook changed a bit since 2009
Jul 18 15:04:10 <Alphadog> I suppose it changed even a lot, but had no info about the plugin
Jul 18 15:05:57 <Alphadog> Thanks KotCzarny
Jul 18 15:07:17 <Alphadog> So is there a way to integrate in similar way facebook with my n900, like it was before.
Jul 18 15:07:42 <KotCzarny> i'm not the best person to answer because i've never used fb
Jul 18 15:08:40 <Alphadog> I actually think I must stop using it :-)
Jul 18 15:08:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 18 15:11:42 <Alphadog> so even if i restore the plugin, it seems it wont work, and i cannot use it.
Jul 18 15:11:56 <endso> ggggooooddd morningggg Topeka!!!
Jul 18 15:12:27 <endso> love Topeka....the name anyway
Jul 18 15:12:40 <Alphadog> I have the phone since yesterday. Can you recommend me default apps to use for video, audio, etc...
Jul 18 15:12:52 <endso> rolls off the tongue with the morning coffee in hand..
Jul 18 15:13:11 <endso> ttytter
Jul 18 15:13:23 <KotCzarny> alphadog: do you prefer media libraries or directory based player?
Jul 18 15:13:36 <L29Ah> :D
Jul 18 15:13:39 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jul 18 15:14:00 <Alphadog> I use debian on my pc for the last 5 yrs, so I am aware about mplayer xine amarok audacious ....
Jul 18 15:14:14 <KotCzarny> for video, install open media player
Jul 18 15:14:22 <KotCzarny> it's a drop in system's replacement
Jul 18 15:14:49 <endso> social media changes so fast it is difficult for most devices to keep up..
Jul 18 15:15:00 <KotCzarny> endso: irc stays the same
Jul 18 15:15:05 <endso> ttytter instead of twitter is pretty rock solid
Jul 18 15:15:07 <KotCzarny> 20 years, still works
Jul 18 15:15:22 <endso> weeelllll irc is irc
Jul 18 15:16:08 <endso> it's pretty rock solid
Jul 18 15:16:47 <KotCzarny> endso, as for the whole n8x0 audio thing, i've managed to compile alsa 1.0.27.2 which has mmap emulation
Jul 18 15:17:02 <KotCzarny> still, jackd barfs that it cannot change some parameters
Jul 18 15:17:22 <endso> prob with modern social media apps like fb and it's ilk is they must pander to the most jaded...which means they gotta switch things up very very often
Jul 18 15:18:22 <endso> whazza? mmap emulation on the n8x0? ...ah jack still is jack'd..
Jul 18 15:18:46 <endso> weird
Jul 18 15:19:11 <KotCzarny> pity the guy who wrote alternative n8x0 audio driver is missing
Jul 18 15:20:41 <endso> why "have" jackd-sdk if it can't be put to use? ...I mean what was written using it? I never knew jackd-sdk even existed before yesterday...
Jul 18 15:21:00 <KotCzarny> maybe someone just compiled it and left
Jul 18 15:21:03 <KotCzarny> without checking
Jul 18 15:21:15 <KotCzarny> or maybe it can be used as a virtual sound card
Jul 18 15:21:30 <endso> I'm gonna look at it some...
Jul 18 15:24:08 <KotCzarny> it's a pity that all those workarounds can and will increase latency
Jul 18 15:25:22 <KotCzarny> whoa, nice thunderstorm is coming
Jul 18 15:28:07 <endso> http://www.ladspa.org/ladspa_sdk/
Jul 18 15:31:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos))
Jul 18 15:31:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ~repos
Jul 18 15:31:54 <infobot> repos is probably deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./
Jul 18 15:32:22 <KotCzarny> doc, you are missing extras
Jul 18 15:34:10 <KotCzarny> also, you are missing comments
Jul 18 15:34:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm missing nothing
Jul 18 15:34:33 <KotCzarny> for new users you do
Jul 18 15:34:36 <DocScrutinizer05> those are replacements for the Nokia repos
Jul 18 15:35:03 <KotCzarny> ie. it's almost unusable to someone that doesnt know anything about nokia, repos, extras etc
Jul 18 15:35:32 <DocScrutinizer05> well, somebody who doesn't know about repos is pretty much lost anyway
Jul 18 15:35:48 <KotCzarny> people who come for help shouldn't be left lost
Jul 18 15:35:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 18 15:36:23 <DocScrutinizer05> but I see muarf's repos are in wiki list of repos, though cvommented out
Jul 18 15:36:55 <KotCzarny> yes, but to uncomment is to read the comment and remove #
Jul 18 15:37:12 <DocScrutinizer05> actually somebody[TM] should build a maemo-extras package to fix the repo list
Jul 18 15:37:30 <KotCzarny> yeah, 6 years and no repos wiki page
Jul 18 15:37:38 <KotCzarny> now you want someone to prepare a package?
Jul 18 15:38:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't want anything
Jul 18 15:38:29 <KotCzarny> it was rhetorical
Jul 18 15:38:42 <DocScrutinizer05> no time for rhetorics
Jul 18 15:39:09 <KotCzarny> yeah, mind looking at my alsa code? 140 lines, but glitching and i cant see why
Jul 18 15:39:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, no time for that either
Jul 18 15:39:23 <KotCzarny> bah
Jul 18 15:39:39 <KotCzarny> do you know anyone that i can ask?
Jul 18 15:39:43 <KotCzarny> and has time
Jul 18 15:44:49 <Alphadog> Muarf repos seems ok
Jul 18 15:45:03 <Alphadog> I have what i needed
Jul 18 15:45:10 <KotCzarny> they are a copy of nokia ones
Jul 18 15:45:20 <KotCzarny> but it's a private mirror
Jul 18 15:45:32 <Alphadog> 10x
Jul 18 15:45:33 <KotCzarny> there were others, but went down
Jul 18 15:45:38 <L29Ah> 18:37:30]<KotCzarny> yeah, 6 years and no repos wiki page
Jul 18 15:45:38 <L29Ah> https://wiki.maemo.org/Repository
Jul 18 15:45:50 <KotCzarny> l29ah: check the edits history
Jul 18 15:45:56 <L29Ah> fix it
Jul 18 15:46:00 <KotCzarny> i did
Jul 18 15:46:11 <KotCzarny> otherwise repo list wouldnt be there
Jul 18 16:05:16 <Pali> https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror
Jul 18 16:06:55 <KotCzarny> instructions there have nokia.com
Jul 18 16:07:47 <KotCzarny> is it safe to enable deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ ?
Jul 18 16:08:13 <Pali> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Jul 18 16:12:53 <KotCzarny> frickin' consumer dsl
Jul 18 18:07:57 <DocScrutinizer05> https://conf.kde.org/en/akademy2015/public/events/198
Jul 18 19:18:43 <endso> hmm...hey Kot: according to this...http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8333&highlight=external+microphone+n810 the n95 headset/microphone works grand on the n800 ..ie such as this: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Black-Red-Silicone-Earbuds-In-Ear-Earphone-w-Microphone-for-Nokia-N95-/311274916964?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48796e4c64 
Jul 18 19:19:28 <endso> If this is the case why the necessity to route things through a usb audio card?
Jul 18 19:20:29 <KotCzarny> mic is not an issue when your card can record with 8khz max
Jul 18 19:21:23 <endso> ah..yeah forgot about that horrid horrid 8khz max
Jul 18 19:21:55 <KotCzarny> works fine for voice and probably many instruments
Jul 18 19:22:38 <endso> duh :D Been reading too long ...looking down too many alleys...brain is curdling...
Jul 18 19:23:38 <KotCzarny> i'm hacking at alsa recording on n8x0, i think i need to set proper params to get usable output
Jul 18 20:00:13 <KotCzarny> hrm, almost works ok
Jul 18 20:03:44 <endso> with that usb audio card?
Jul 18 20:03:56 <KotCzarny> nope, n8x0 only
Jul 18 20:05:22 <endso> are you outing anything via headphone port? you'll get horrible proximity crap otherwise..onboard mic and speakers are just too close..
Jul 18 20:05:40 <KotCzarny> for testing it's ok
Jul 18 20:06:47 <endso> ah...still...it'd be terrible...not to mention you may set one or the other or both on fire...you must have it turned waaaaaayyyyy down low
Jul 18 20:07:13 <KotCzarny> no worries, it's only for testing
Jul 18 20:08:44 <KotCzarny> if you want i can make a tarball, my head starts hurting when i think of alsa on n8x0
Jul 18 20:15:14 <endso> sure thing...I'll play with a tarball of it...test it some ..so does the usb audio card work with it? I'll grab one if it does ...or is a headphone / microphone jack adequate enough?... either way I am going shopping :D
Jul 18 20:15:51 <KotCzarny> jack is adequate, if i get things right it should work similar as on n900
Jul 18 20:16:38 <endso> right. Well this is grand ..gtkgep on the n8x0 and n900
Jul 18 20:17:59 <endso> pity ladspa seems to be a brain tumour waiting to happen for whoever looks at it.. :D
Jul 18 20:18:15 <KotCzarny> nah, ladspa is just a plugin system
Jul 18 20:18:25 <KotCzarny> you can build your app around it
Jul 18 20:19:02 <KotCzarny> https://transfer.sh/Jc5Ly/gtkgep-n8x0-alsa.tar.gz  unpack to /opt/
Jul 18 20:19:32 <KotCzarny> you can make /opt a symlink to place where you can exec things (ext2/3, not vfat though)
Jul 18 20:23:46 <KotCzarny> mind you, sound is still broken (ringing and cracks), also sometimes device hangs during running/stopping
Jul 18 20:24:09 <KotCzarny> nice thing about gtkgep is that you can add/remove/configure plugins on the fly
Jul 18 20:24:36 <endso> ah crap....hm....then ...wouldn't ...https://web.archive.org/web/20120118012634/http://www.eca.cx/ecamegapedal/ be an easier effects processor since the need for older qt and ecasound armel (which is plentiful in old and new versions) be a better possibility 
Jul 18 20:25:11 <KotCzarny> sure, as long it uses alsa, and sets recording right
Jul 18 20:25:13 <endso> sound is broken in n8x0 gtkgep?
Jul 18 20:25:31 <KotCzarny> a bit, but try it, almost works
Jul 18 20:25:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 18 20:28:28 <endso> I'll do just that...I am going to wait til I have a proper mic / headphone jack so I get decent separation and isolation 'tween the two...then I know any probs I get won't be proximity related...
Jul 18 20:35:45 <KotCzarny> nah, the problem right now is getting recording side params right, n8x0 driver is very picky
Jul 18 20:44:20 <endso> recording parameters where? Are you speaking of  in gtkgep itself or in device...
Jul 18 20:44:37 <endso> I'd like to know where I should tinker ..
Jul 18 20:44:37 <KotCzarny> in gtkgep, but hardcoded for now
Jul 18 20:44:45 <endso> ah..
Jul 18 20:57:45 <endso> hm...on the topic ...you mentioned ...sox ..doesn't have a gui ...would that be an easier option considering we already have sox?
Jul 18 20:58:57 <KotCzarny> check if you can get it to record/process/play in the same time, using cmd line
Jul 18 20:59:04 <KotCzarny> examples should be on the net
Jul 18 21:11:58 <endso> naw it can do alot ...but it is vague concerning real-time effects processing...it seems there isn't any examples of continous runnning. There is recording...processing...playing...not simultaneous or even slightly delayed simul. real-time. It looks to be a fab program in itself...but not for "right now" usage so-to-speak.
Jul 18 21:12:29 <KotCzarny> i remember using it as rt effect (kind of)
Jul 18 21:14:00 <KotCzarny> you just pipe it 
Jul 18 21:16:21 <endso> If that's the case ..all it needs is a gui...since stopping to figure out the input txt at the command prompt you want to use to change the output  kills any on-the-fly manipulation..
Jul 18 21:16:53 <KotCzarny> sure, but first you have to check if it works as expected on n8x0
Jul 18 21:17:07 <endso> hehe ..yeah...
Jul 18 21:30:22 <bencoh>  
Jul 18 22:44:27 <bencoh> KotCzarny: pong ?
Jul 18 23:37:29 <endso> soon as I get an adapter in my hands ..I'm going to see about sox and ecamegapedal as well
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