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Jul 26 14:35:33 <Sicelo> stryngs is back :)
Jul 26 14:36:16 <KotCzarny> who is stryngs?
Jul 26 14:37:31 <Sicelo> i'm not sure how to answer ... let's just say, another N900 hacker who prefers unconventional methods
Jul 26 14:37:41 <Sicelo> 17:09 < stryngs> and sometimes, my insane little hacks work.
Jul 26 14:39:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 26 14:39:58 <KotCzarny> isnt that a definition of 'hacks' ?
Jul 26 14:40:15 <KotCzarny> otherwise they are just bugfixes
Jul 26 14:55:02 <Sicelo> prolly
Jul 26 14:56:10 <stryngs> Hi Sicelo =)
Jul 26 14:57:51 <Sicelo> :)
Jul 26 15:19:18 <Sicelo> the stock media player can categorize music by genre (if you've got that in tags of course..). anyone knows which genres it actually "knows"?
Jul 26 15:24:05 <KotCzarny> is source of it available?
Jul 26 15:24:15 <KotCzarny> othwerise run strings on it
Jul 26 15:27:04 <bencoh> I guess that's in mafw trackerd source (or something like thatà
Jul 26 15:28:56 <Sicelo> hmm, looks like it properly supports the ID3v2 standard, including the ability to specify genre as a string, instead of numeric value
Jul 26 16:56:02 <DocScrutinizer05> musorgsky
Jul 26 16:57:39 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/mussorgsky/
Jul 26 16:58:12 <DocScrutinizer05> awesome name
Jul 26 17:00:38 <Sicelo> looks like that one doesn't actually change the tag? i use mid3v2 for that on N900
Jul 26 17:02:21 <KotCzarny> i just ignore tags, dir/file order ftw!
Jul 26 17:03:47 <KotCzarny> its nice when your collection has >99% correct tags, but if you have to fix thousands of files?
Jul 26 17:06:24 * Sicelo likes them :) takes time, yes
Jul 26 17:06:29 <Sicelo> ymmv
Jul 26 17:07:06 <KotCzarny> for example, put all your classical music in /classical/ dir
Jul 26 17:07:23 <KotCzarny> then if you want to play all classical tunes, just look for it
Jul 26 17:07:44 <KotCzarny> and if you prefer more detailed, just look for /composer name/
Jul 26 17:08:38 <KotCzarny> file paths already contain most of the needed info
Jul 26 17:08:59 <Sicelo> i mostly don't have whole albums
Jul 26 17:09:03 <Sicelo> so no paths
Jul 26 17:09:44 <KotCzarny> but band name is in file name?
Jul 26 17:09:51 <KotCzarny> and files are in what dirs?
Jul 26 17:10:59 <Sicelo> nop
Jul 26 17:11:45 <Sicelo> there's all types of names here
Jul 26 17:11:48 <KotCzarny> so your files are named jlkjlke.mp3 etc?
Jul 26 17:13:02 <Sicelo> besides, ID3 tags look "nice" when the player shows them ... for example, i have my N900 use FM transmitter with my car, and the artist/song info is displayed on the head unit via RDS.
Jul 26 17:13:58 <KotCzarny> there are batch file renamers that can use tag info as a source
Jul 26 17:15:40 <Sicelo> on a regular player, no matter how nicely formatted your file name is, it will still show as one long (possibly truncated) line 
Jul 26 17:15:55 <Sicelo> but tag ... elegant
Jul 26 17:16:31 <KotCzarny> sure, its nice, if you watch player display while playing
Jul 26 17:17:08 <Sicelo> hence, ymmv :)
Jul 26 17:17:10 <KotCzarny> and i bet you know most of the tracks info by ear anyway
Jul 26 17:19:45 <Sicelo> i'm sure you do realize that creating a particular playlist is also quicker with ID3 tag than without
Jul 26 17:20:14 <KotCzarny> nope
Jul 26 17:20:27 <KotCzarny> trust me, i've done it multiple times
Jul 26 17:21:01 <KotCzarny> if your files have proper info in paths, regular fnmatch on them works very well
Jul 26 17:24:09 <Sicelo> ok KotCzarny. i do have some "proper" filenames/paths, but for my use, tagging works much better. luckily, most software allows changing tag on multiple files at once as well .. i only use mid3v2 on N900 for that random file which i occasionally download/receive from friends
Jul 26 17:24:44 <KotCzarny> yes, that's the point, if your collection has >99% proper tags, its very useful
Jul 26 17:26:19 <Sicelo> and fixing them is just as easy as creating folders ... tagging is not difficult at all
Jul 26 17:27:23 <KotCzarny> also, that assumes you only use id3 tags, other formats can be different
Jul 26 17:28:18 <Sicelo> 99% of my music is MP3 (for compatibility purposes)
Jul 26 17:28:25 <KotCzarny> nope
Jul 26 17:28:32 <KotCzarny> flac/ape
Jul 26 17:28:37 <Sicelo> ?
Jul 26 17:28:39 <KotCzarny> is where it's at
Jul 26 17:28:41 <KotCzarny> lossless
Jul 26 17:30:32 <Sicelo> i am aware of loss involved in MP3. i'm more than happy to use the lossless formats. but, we all know few devices out there can play them
Jul 26 17:30:44 <KotCzarny> n900 can
Jul 26 17:30:54 <KotCzarny> linux boxes can
Jul 26 17:30:55 <Sicelo> lol, of course
Jul 26 17:30:57 <Sicelo> so?
Jul 26 17:31:14 <KotCzarny> so it''s not few
Jul 26 17:31:52 <Sicelo> ok. we're on different "pages"
Jul 26 17:32:44 <KotCzarny> no worries, i should've stop at ymmv
Jul 26 17:32:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 26 17:33:10 <Sicelo> if i visit a friend, it should be easy to play my music without asking him .. do you have conversion software?
Jul 26 17:33:22 <KotCzarny> you have n900
Jul 26 17:33:26 <KotCzarny> he has a radio
Jul 26 17:33:28 <KotCzarny> done?
Jul 26 17:33:28 <Sicelo> or, can we rather use radio as my N900 has FM transmitter..
Jul 26 17:33:30 <Sicelo> lol
Jul 26 17:33:42 <KotCzarny> or just connect minijack into n900
Jul 26 17:34:19 <KotCzarny> hmm, does nokia av cable work for audio without any tinkering?
Jul 26 17:34:31 <Sicelo> and how many people have one lying around? 
Jul 26 17:34:46 <KotCzarny> every n900 came with it
Jul 26 17:34:47 <Sicelo> the AV cable needs you to short the video jack
Jul 26 17:35:03 <Sicelo> that's all the tinkering it needs
Jul 26 17:35:06 <KotCzarny> is it safe?
Jul 26 17:35:25 <Sicelo> of course .. regular headphone shorts that too anyway
Jul 26 17:36:12 <KotCzarny> good to know
Jul 26 17:38:59 <Sicelo> i guess N900 'detects' video jack by the absence of that short, and existence of some resistance on that connector (75 ohm is it?)
Jul 26 17:39:49 <Sicelo> .. meant, video cable
Jul 26 18:23:11 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: Mussorgsky... this reminds me more computer games :-) because of his "hidden" music background
Jul 26 18:24:28 <KotCzarny> elite II: frontier
Jul 26 18:24:37 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Jul 26 18:24:51 <DocScrutinizer05> Elite Dangerous!
Jul 26 18:25:32 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: (75R) maybe 50R
Jul 26 18:25:44 <DocScrutinizer05> not sure
Jul 26 18:27:08 <DocScrutinizer05> (<KotCzarny> hmm, does nokia av cable work for audio without any tinkering?) nope, you need to short the yellow cinch
Jul 26 18:27:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh Sicelo beat me to it
Jul 26 18:33:12 * Sicelo shoots DocScrutinizer05 down
Jul 26 18:33:16 <Sicelo> :)
Jul 26 18:34:20 <Sicelo> but the 'theory' regarding detecting AV cable ... holds water?
Jul 26 18:50:02 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, absolutely
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