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Aug 01 06:55:53 <Sicelo> about to start fixing the USB ports on my 2 N900. second N900 has previously had a botched fix .. the 5 pads are intact, but the bigger 'support' pads are gone
Aug 01 06:55:56 <Sicelo> :(
Aug 01 06:57:39 <KotCzarny> maybe make some kind of bga in the bottom of usb part then just attach it firmly in the right place?
Aug 01 06:59:52 <Sicelo> what?
Aug 01 07:00:30 <KotCzarny> in similar way that lcd connectors ribbon make contact
Aug 01 09:15:44 <Sicelo> yay!
Aug 01 09:15:50 <Sicelo> main N900 fixed. :)
Aug 01 09:15:55 <KotCzarny> and secured?
Aug 01 09:15:56 <Sicelo> USB working good
Aug 01 09:16:04 <Sicelo> will do the 2nd one later 
Aug 01 09:17:07 <Sicelo> definitely secured. 
Aug 01 09:17:35 <KotCzarny> you can start your own repair shop now!
Aug 01 09:18:41 <Sicelo> haha, no. i hated this job. wasn't as difficult as i thought it would be, but still
Aug 01 09:18:54 <KotCzarny> but moneys!
Aug 01 09:19:12 <KotCzarny> also, you will get experienced enough to make it easy
Aug 01 09:20:23 <Sicelo> will consider that. g2g
Aug 01 10:45:46 <Pali> tada... maemo5 running with 4.2-rc2 kernel!
Aug 01 10:45:56 <KotCzarny> *slowclap*
Aug 01 10:46:00 <KotCzarny> but is it.. stable?
Aug 01 10:46:04 <Pali> if you need some log or test let me know
Aug 01 10:46:24 <KotCzarny> um, phone/camera/audio/wifi/gps workings?
Aug 01 10:46:37 <Pali> KotCzarny: no, I tried to boot it 10 times
Aug 01 10:46:40 <KotCzarny> (and usual, kb and touchscreen)
Aug 01 10:46:44 <Pali> and only now I got it
Aug 01 10:46:57 <Pali> phone not, camera not, audio not, wifi yes, gps not
Aug 01 10:47:22 <Pali> http://elinux.org/N900 --> state of kernel drivers
Aug 01 10:47:31 <KotCzarny> Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
Aug 01 10:47:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 01 10:47:39 <KotCzarny> (Cannot contact the database server)
Aug 01 10:47:41 <Pali> wiki is down
Aug 01 10:47:58 <KotCzarny> overwhelmed by success?
Aug 01 10:52:26 <Pali> cellular: ssc[7090]: modem connection cannot be established, retry (1 of 10)
Aug 01 10:52:44 <Pali> ...
Aug 01 10:52:45 <Pali> cellular: ssc[7090]: modem connection cannot be established, retry (10 of 10)
Aug 01 10:52:50 <Pali> cellular: ssc[7090]: modem connection cannot be established, giving up
Aug 01 10:53:21 <Pali> so nokia-modem/hsi/ssi is not working :-(
Aug 01 10:53:24 <Pali> with 4.2 kernel
Aug 01 10:53:33 <KotCzarny> could be something trivial?
Aug 01 10:53:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd power it up first
Aug 01 10:53:44 <Pali> ask freemangordon
Aug 01 16:34:39 <Saif> great day to all . 
Aug 01 16:34:55 <L29Ah> allah akbar
Aug 01 17:33:10 <recharged> Hi.
Aug 01 17:35:59 <DocScrutinizer05> hi
Aug 01 17:37:31 <recharged> I just had a quick question about the N900, and I was wondering if anyone could help out
Aug 01 17:37:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ask
Aug 01 17:37:42 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Aug 01 17:37:58 <KotCzarny> most likely someone can, anyone usually mean noone
Aug 01 17:38:05 <KotCzarny> *means
Aug 01 17:38:30 <recharged> how do you use 0xFFFF to flash the N900 (if possible)?
Aug 01 17:38:37 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Aug 01 17:38:38 <infobot> it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Aug 01 17:38:46 <KotCzarny> ~0xffff
Aug 01 17:38:46 <infobot> [0xffff] https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996
Aug 01 17:38:50 <KotCzarny> ~0xFFFF
Aug 01 17:38:51 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, 0xffff is https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996
Aug 01 17:39:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I think you use it mostly similar way like flasher-3.5
Aug 01 17:40:03 <recharged> how do you unpack fiasco images? I have the bin files, but I'm not too sure what to do. I've never flashed my N900 before
Aug 01 17:40:21 <DocScrutinizer05> you don't unpack them
Aug 01 17:40:38 <KotCzarny> recharged: see the wiki page
Aug 01 17:40:40 <recharged> o
Aug 01 17:40:42 <KotCzarny> read first
Aug 01 17:40:46 <KotCzarny> rtfm
Aug 01 17:40:50 <recharged> which wiki?
Aug 01 17:40:54 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Aug 01 17:40:54 <infobot> hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Aug 01 17:40:58 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Aug 01 17:41:13 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-flashing
Aug 01 17:41:14 <infobot> well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Aug 01 17:41:33 <DocScrutinizer05> KotCzarny: what's wrong?
Aug 01 17:41:34 <KotCzarny> it catches both phases or just subpattern match?
Aug 01 17:41:40 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Aug 01 17:41:50 <KotCzarny> *phrases
Aug 01 17:41:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal flashing
Aug 01 17:41:53 <infobot> "flashing" is "<reply>see maemo-flashing"
Aug 01 17:41:58 <recharged> there's nothing on 0xFFFF, I've read through this before
Aug 01 17:42:00 <KotCzarny> alias then
Aug 01 17:42:25 <KotCzarny> recharged: may i ask why are you trying 0xffff instead of flasher-3.5 ?
Aug 01 17:42:38 <DocScrutinizer05> recharged: 0xFFFF is a "drop in replacement" for flasher-3.5
Aug 01 17:43:09 <DocScrutinizer05> the options may have slightly different syntax
Aug 01 17:43:20 <recharged> flasher-3.5 is non-free, and ia32-libs aren't in debian sid to use
Aug 01 17:43:56 <Pali> 0xFFFF contains --help
Aug 01 17:43:58 <Pali> also manpage
Aug 01 17:44:01 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Aug 01 17:44:02 <Pali> and examples in doc/
Aug 01 17:44:05 <DocScrutinizer05> of course :-)
Aug 01 17:44:28 <DocScrutinizer05> it's built and packaged by a smart guy, after all ;-)
Aug 01 17:44:50 <KotCzarny> and 2 faq files
Aug 01 17:45:06 <recharged> I've read all of those, but what do I do with the bin files?
Aug 01 17:45:09 <Pali> recharged: https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF/blob/master/doc/examples
Aug 01 17:45:19 <DocScrutinizer05> recharged: you flash them
Aug 01 17:45:46 <Pali> recharged: search for "Flash FIASCO image and reboot:" in examples file
Aug 01 17:46:03 <KotCzarny> pali, put that examples as a output of 0xFFFF -h or something
Aug 01 17:46:23 <DocScrutinizer05> Flash FIASCO image and reboot:
Aug 01 17:46:25 <DocScrutinizer05> $ 0xFFFF -M <file> -f -r
Aug 01 17:46:51 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: you should move that to top, it's by far the most common use 
Aug 01 17:47:15 <recharged> I'll try it, thank you
Aug 01 17:47:15 <KotCzarny> also, add more info what do you need to flash and when 
Aug 01 17:47:26 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Aug 01 17:47:35 <DocScrutinizer05> recharged: yw :-)
Aug 01 17:47:56 <Pali> note that 0xFFFF does not support flashing MMC images (yet)
Aug 01 17:48:40 <DocScrutinizer05> aka VANILLA
Aug 01 17:51:00 <recharged> I tried that and it gave me "Error: Nothing to do"
Aug 01 17:51:11 <KotCzarny> paste exact cmd line
Aug 01 17:51:49 <recharged> 0xFFFF -M RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
Aug 01 17:51:49 <recharged> 0xFFFF v0.6.1  // Open Free Fiasco Firmware Flasher
Aug 01 17:51:49 <recharged> Error: Nothing to do
Aug 01 17:51:53 <DocScrutinizer05> no, not exact cmdline, it needs a real filename of fiasco image file instead <file>
Aug 01 17:52:10 <KotCzarny> doc: i meant his line that he is using
Aug 01 17:52:33 <recharged> I'm sorry about this
Aug 01 17:52:37 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: ^^^ o.O
Aug 01 17:52:52 <DocScrutinizer05> recharged: no need to feel sorry
Aug 01 17:53:07 <Pali> recharged: -f is missing 
Aug 01 17:53:18 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Aug 01 17:53:22 <DocScrutinizer05> that was easy
Aug 01 17:53:35 <Pali> 0xFFFF -M file.bin -f
Aug 01 17:53:45 <recharged> oh wow
Aug 01 17:53:52 <Pali> 0xFFFF was right, "Nothing to do"!
Aug 01 17:53:59 <DocScrutinizer05> :->
Aug 01 17:54:08 <recharged> thank you so much
Aug 01 17:55:42 <recharged> now I just restart it, right?
Aug 01 17:56:02 <Pali> if everything is OK, yes, reboot
Aug 01 17:56:15 <recharged> h-how do I know if everything is okay?
Aug 01 17:56:26 <Pali> there is no error/warning
Aug 01 17:56:26 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to first power up N900 while holding U key so it stays in NOKIA screen with USB logo
Aug 01 17:56:34 <recharged> I did that
Aug 01 17:56:41 <recharged> so it should be fine
Aug 01 17:56:49 <Pali> post output from 0xFFFF if you are unsure
Aug 01 17:58:03 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: will 0xFFFF do the "no suitable devie found. Waiting..." thing?
Aug 01 17:58:10 <Pali> yes
Aug 01 17:58:42 <recharged> is it normal for the initial boot to take a lot longer?
Aug 01 17:58:48 <Pali> yes
Aug 01 17:58:54 <DocScrutinizer05> absolutely
Aug 01 17:58:55 <Pali> optification
Aug 01 17:58:57 <recharged> alright, good
Aug 01 17:59:11 <recharged> because my issue was a boot loop
Aug 01 17:59:20 <recharged> from purging all non-free software
Aug 01 17:59:23 <recharged> (did not work)
Aug 01 18:00:09 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#the_complete_foolproof_procedure  >>After flashing unplug your device from PC prior to first boot. First boot can take several minutes, and screen may turn dark during that. You may try lock-slider switch, but do not power down device during first boot, until it finally finished...<<
Aug 01 18:00:27 <recharged> it seems to be fine so far, so I assume it's good
Aug 01 18:00:32 <recharged> thank you so much
Aug 01 18:02:29 <DocScrutinizer05> consider hooking it up to charger already
Aug 01 18:03:22 <recharged> i'm about to do that
Aug 01 18:03:35 <recharged> s-so who's hyped about neo900?
Aug 01 18:04:12 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
Aug 01 18:04:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm a great fan of Neo900 *blink* *blink*
Aug 01 18:05:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Aug 01 18:05:33 <recharged> one day
Aug 01 18:06:19 <DocScrutinizer05> the preorder window for complete devices is closing soonish
Aug 01 18:08:03 <DocScrutinizer05> it's pretty hard to get the needed N900 to upgrade them, and it gets harder by each other day
Aug 01 18:08:06 <recharged> it seems like a great idea, but a lot of things about it worry me
Aug 01 18:08:53 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe you want to /join #neo900 ?
Aug 01 18:09:43 <recharged> I've never thought of that, maybe after work
Aug 01 18:09:54 <recharged> I'm not normally in irc channels
Aug 01 18:10:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you're welcome to join #neo900 channel any time, ask whatever worries you
Aug 01 18:12:16 <recharged> mostly it's just the fact that there's seemingly more non-free software needed to get modules to work. at first it was just hardware acceleration and telephone stack, but now it seems like there's more, and they aren't informing us
Aug 01 18:12:24 <recharged> but i'm sure it'll get worked out
Aug 01 18:12:50 <recharged> anyway, I had another question about the n900, if this can be answered
Aug 01 18:13:34 <Gadgetoid> I miss the n900 :(
Aug 01 18:14:37 <DocScrutinizer05> recharged: no, we don't need any other non-free software
Aug 01 18:15:26 <recharged> didn't nfc need it, though? or it was something without a free firmware available.
Aug 01 18:16:13 <DocScrutinizer05> not even telephone stack is non-free (distinguishing between what's called telephony stack in application land aka linux, and the firmware on modem module you never even will see a bit or byte of)
Aug 01 18:17:00 <recharged> really?
Aug 01 18:17:09 <DocScrutinizer05> NFC is completely open, see werner's very fine groundbreaking whitepaper on NFC design: http://neo900.org/stuff/papers/nfc-draft.pdf
Aug 01 18:17:11 <recharged> maybe I read wrong, though.
Aug 01 18:18:13 <DocScrutinizer05> actually we have a NFC subsystem that's more open than any dev-board or lab eval board you could find out there
Aug 01 18:18:31 <recharged> that's really awesome
Aug 01 18:18:42 <recharged> I'm guessing you're a part of the dev team?
Aug 01 18:18:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you even can implement your own new NFC protocols on it
Aug 01 18:18:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~docscrutinizer
Aug 01 18:18:57 <infobot> somebody said docscrutinizer was jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
Aug 01 18:19:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~joerg
Aug 01 18:19:02 <infobot> from memory, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org
Aug 01 18:19:38 <Gadgetoid> Nobody knows who DocScrutinizer05 is, he comes with the wind, goes with the tide, and leaves a wake of majesty wherever he treads
Aug 01 18:19:55 <DocScrutinizer05> hrhrhrhr
Aug 01 18:20:05 <recharged> makes much more sense now
Aug 01 18:20:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm commonly known as "the grumpy old fart"
Aug 01 18:21:39 <recharged> why go as two different names?
Aug 01 18:22:04 <Gadgetoid> ...
Aug 01 18:22:24 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
Aug 01 18:22:26 <Gadgetoid> Your parents named you recharged?
Aug 01 18:22:33 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Aug 01 18:22:43 <recharged> it's possible
Aug 01 18:23:45 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway please don't miss our best page on the website: http://neo900.org/resources
Aug 01 18:24:28 <recharged> don't worry, I've read through the site a lot. it's just funds are low currently
Aug 01 18:24:57 <recharged> also, may I ask a quick question?
Aug 01 18:25:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ask
Aug 01 18:25:45 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Aug 01 18:26:28 <recharged> is it possible to enhance the n900's gsm signal with a config file? or anyway possible?
Aug 01 18:26:46 <DocScrutinizer05> absolutely no
Aug 01 18:27:02 <recharged> I was afraid of that
Aug 01 18:27:24 <DocScrutinizer05> what's wrong with N900 gsm signal?
Aug 01 18:27:30 <KotCzarny> does n900 have external antenna port on the board?
Aug 01 18:27:35 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Aug 01 18:27:38 <KotCzarny> then yes
Aug 01 18:27:41 <recharged> I don't get a signal at all in my house
Aug 01 18:27:50 <recharged> I have to put it by a window to get one bar
Aug 01 18:28:18 <KotCzarny> put a mirror there?
Aug 01 18:28:24 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, there are solutions for that, consisting of an external antenna, some box in between, and an internal antenna
Aug 01 18:28:41 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, it's almost "a mirror"
Aug 01 18:29:22 <recharged> what's the most feasible option?
Aug 01 18:29:41 <KotCzarny> recharged: put n900 on the window and handsfree bt box on the desk?
Aug 01 18:29:58 <KotCzarny> easiest and requires no hacking
Aug 01 18:30:10 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/GSM-booster-GSM-repeater-900Mhz-booster-GSM-signal-booster-repeater-GSM970/705657_426284742.html
Aug 01 18:30:28 <KotCzarny> right, also check what band is better for you, 2g or 3g
Aug 01 18:30:32 <DocScrutinizer05> or what KotCzarny suggested ;-)
Aug 01 18:31:43 <recharged> how would I use the handsfree box, and where would I get it?
Aug 01 18:31:54 <recharged> and I only get 2g with at&t on my n900
Aug 01 18:32:34 <DocScrutinizer05> make sure the frequency range of repeater is compatible to your carrier
Aug 01 18:33:04 <recharged> but, I also get poor signal at other places besides my home.
Aug 01 18:33:37 <recharged> which is why I thought maybe I could just edit a config file for the expense of battery life
Aug 01 18:34:08 <KotCzarny> isnt at&t famous for spotty coverage?
Aug 01 18:34:22 <recharged> yes
Aug 01 18:34:47 <KotCzarny> here (.pl) i get pretty nice 'all bars' almost everywere
Aug 01 18:35:44 <DocScrutinizer05> another one (sorry for long link) http://www.lightinthebox.com/de/repetidor-de-sinal-celular-repeater-850mhz-yagi-antena-celular-handy-signal-booster-850-gsm-umts-amplificador_p3772839.html?currency=EUR&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&litb_from=&adword_mt=&adword_ct=84188221514&adword_kw=&adword_pos=1o4&adword_pl=&adword_net=g&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=1810908567_301588754_21687238394_kwd-80810021175&gclid=CLHs6JDDiMcCFWXJtAodIiIAlw
Aug 01 18:36:04 <recharged> I think at&t are slowly phasing out theri 2g towers and the n900 only supports t-mobile's 3g network here
Aug 01 18:37:06 <DocScrutinizer05> recharged: compare to arbitrary other cellpgone on same carrier and band, when the N900 is actually sub-par you might need to clean the antenna contact in device
Aug 01 18:37:19 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, that too
Aug 01 18:37:35 <recharged> I'll do that then, thank you
Aug 01 18:37:55 <DocScrutinizer05> yw
Aug 01 18:38:02 * DocScrutinizer05 afk
Aug 01 18:38:04 <recharged> but I need to get ready for work, I could be on later. thanks for all  of the help.
Aug 01 18:38:10 <recharged> bye
Aug 01 19:57:31 <Sicelo> with replacement bme, does one still need to stop bme in order to calibrate?
Aug 01 20:35:04 <DocScrutinizer05> no matter how you charge the battery, you want to stop it to discharge it. For premature system shutdown Pali said the replacement BME won't do that, so you don't need to stop it for discharging to empty and completing learning cycle
Aug 01 20:37:09 <Pali> bme-replacement does not contain any bme daemon anymore
Aug 01 20:37:14 <Pali> at least not userspace daemon
Aug 01 20:37:24 <Pali> so you cannot "stop bme", because there is no running
Aug 01 20:38:06 <KotCzarny> can i install bme-replacement without rest of cssu?
Aug 01 20:43:54 <Pali> KotCzarny: you need kp53
Aug 01 20:43:59 <Sicelo> ok Pali. just one thing .. so in simple words, i just let N900 discharge until empty, and calibration should take care of itself?
Aug 01 20:44:01 <Pali> but should work also without cssu
Aug 01 20:44:06 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: however, you likely want something that will fire up the charging again
Aug 01 20:44:11 <KotCzarny> i have kp53
Aug 01 20:44:12 <kerio> unless you're willing to wait for like 5 hours
Aug 01 20:44:20 <kerio> whilst looking at the n900
Aug 01 20:44:34 <Pali> Sicelo: yes
Aug 01 20:44:48 <Sicelo> thanks. :)
Aug 01 20:46:43 <Sicelo> one more thing .. bq27x00_battery module .. better to have it loaded or unloaded for replacment-bme to work properly?
Aug 01 20:47:24 <Pali> without it bme replacment not work
Aug 01 20:47:33 <Pali> bme replacement will load it at boot time
Aug 01 20:50:43 <Sicelo> thanks Pali for this info
Aug 01 21:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: that's the point about bme stopping basically. Yes. on bme-replacement I dunno if and how you could stop charging with USB attached
Aug 01 21:03:57 <kerio> echo "none" > /sys/class/power/whatever/mode
Aug 01 21:04:08 <kerio> bq24150_charger?
Aug 01 21:04:25 <DocScrutinizer05> if the bme replacement kernel driver is designed according to my draft, it's as simple as "echo something >/sys/somewhere"
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