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Aug 02 11:39:41 <Sicelo> does anyone (using replacement bme) know which one is the "actual" voltage of the battery between what is reported by : (1) /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/voltage_now and (2) /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/uevent. On my N900 the voltages from these two are different, so I'm not sure which one to use in connection with calibration (where I need to know when I hit 3248mV)
Aug 02 11:47:01 <Sicelo> ok .. looking at /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/registers (and 0x08) seems to suggest "voltage_now" is what i need to look at
Aug 02 12:43:11 <kerio> one day til certs expire
Aug 02 12:53:59 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, stupid question... have you ever seen TI document named SWPU119B?
Aug 02 12:54:14 <Pali> or do you know somebody who has it? :P
Aug 02 12:56:11 <R0b0t1> AHA THERE YOU ARE
Aug 02 12:56:15 * R0b0t1 ties Pali to a chair
Aug 02 12:56:52 <R0b0t1> Pali: I am completely incapable of finding any documentation on how to modify the kernel on an n900. You previously made a post about it, so could you explain what you did?
Aug 02 12:56:58 <R0b0t1> I did what I thought would work and it didn't, so...
Aug 02 12:57:13 <R0b0t1> also does that document have anything to do with TrustZone or what is it?
Aug 02 12:57:39 <Pali> search google and you will see what SWPU119B is :P
Aug 02 12:59:32 <R0b0t1> I did, it only vaguely mentioned "secure peripherals"
Aug 02 13:01:12 <Pali> http://linux-omap.vger.kernel.narkive.com/i3yjI3TD/patch-omap3-irq-add-some-missing-irqs-for-secure-peripherals
Aug 02 13:01:36 <R0b0t1> yes I found that
Aug 02 13:01:36 <Pali> here i found IRQ for omap34xx RNG (random number generator)
Aug 02 13:01:40 <R0b0t1> aah
Aug 02 13:01:50 <Pali> OMAP34xx Multimedia High Security Device Silicon Revision 3.0 Security Addendum Version B (SWPU119B)
Aug 02 13:02:43 <Pali> and there is another irq in that patch: FPKA
Aug 02 13:02:46 <Pali> what is FPKA?
Aug 02 13:04:14 <Pali> ok FPKA = Fast PKA
Aug 02 13:04:51 <Pali> and what is PKA? Public Key Auth??
Aug 02 13:05:47 <R0b0t1> well I doubt it's the acid disassociation constant
Aug 02 13:05:49 <R0b0t1> so probably
Aug 02 13:07:47 <R0b0t1> Pali: But if you could manage to send me what one does to modify the kernel on the n900 that would be grand, as I haven't even managed to make it crash on boot yet. I'll be getting stuff to access the broken out serial port mid-week, but that won't help me a great deal if I can't even load new stuff on it
Aug 02 13:07:49 <R0b0t1> bbl, best of luck
Aug 02 13:08:16 <Pali> R0b0t1: and what you want to do?
Aug 02 13:09:19 <Sicelo> and, R0b0t1, here are detailed instructions how to make serial adapter if you really need it .. http://elektranox.org/n900/serial-adapter.html
Aug 02 13:10:15 <Pali> http://elinux.org/N900#DT_Kernel_Compilation
Aug 02 13:11:20 <R0b0t1> Pali: I got your kernel compiled but I can't find the steps to actually replace whatever is currently on the device
Aug 02 13:11:33 <R0b0t1> Sicelo: I'm waiting on some pogo pins and a lasercut holder for them
Aug 02 13:11:40 <R0b0t1> I'd rather not solder to the phone is all
Aug 02 13:11:49 <Pali> you need to copy modules into /lib/modules/<kernel_version>/
Aug 02 13:12:07 <Pali> and then load zImage via flasher-3.5 or 0xFFFF
Aug 02 13:12:07 <R0b0t1> Pali: And then I was going to backport your patches to one of the gentoo stabilized sources and install gentoo
Aug 02 13:12:18 <R0b0t1> well see I did all that
Aug 02 13:12:22 <R0b0t1> it didn't work(tm)
Aug 02 13:12:43 <Pali> and after copying modules, you need to also run depmod
Aug 02 13:12:56 <Sicelo> there's nothing soldered to phone in that link i gave, haha :D
Aug 02 13:13:16 <R0b0t1> the issue isn't that it wouldn't boot, the issue is that I "successfully" flashed my new kernel and maemo still successfully booted
Aug 02 13:13:32 <R0b0t1> to the 2.6 kernel
Aug 02 13:13:52 <Pali> you loaded it or flashed?
Aug 02 13:13:58 <R0b0t1> flashed
Aug 02 13:13:59 <R0b0t1> sorry
Aug 02 13:14:17 <Pali> via 0xFFFF or flasher-3.5
Aug 02 13:14:22 <R0b0t1> 0xFFFF
Aug 02 13:14:36 <Pali> hm... strange
Aug 02 13:14:41 <Pali> try again
Aug 02 13:14:52 <Pali> first try to load it and then boot
Aug 02 13:15:53 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: bookmark this file https://ihajpr.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/spruf98c.pdf it contains some information about HS devices
Aug 02 13:16:08 <Pali> like addresses of crypto modules
Aug 02 13:16:13 <Pali> page 631
Aug 02 13:16:37 <Pali> resp. page 94
Aug 02 13:16:39 <Pali> Interconnect section
Aug 02 13:16:58 <R0b0t1> Pali: will do. sorry wasn't expecting you to entertain me now, I was leaving shortly
Aug 02 14:07:43 <Luke-Jr> Pali: any reason not to enable ACL/xattr support in power kernel? also, would patches to support more recent [e]udev be accepted?
Aug 02 14:08:42 <Pali> Luke-Jr: if it does not increase kernel zImage size (fit into mtd with uboot) and there are users who wont to see it... I do not have problems
Aug 02 14:08:58 <Pali> patches for userspace udev?
Aug 02 14:09:29 <Pali> if there are reasons for patching udev, it can be done via cssu
Aug 02 14:09:34 <Luke-Jr> well, the main one I am aware of is accept4 syscall support - apparently that's in 2.6.28, just not defined for ARM
Aug 02 14:09:53 <Luke-Jr> I'm not interested in CSSU udev, just being able to dual boot Gentoo and Maemo with the same kernel
Aug 02 14:10:42 <Luke-Jr> and Gentoo has long since dropped 2.6.28-compatible udev versions
Aug 02 14:12:10 <Pali> support for accept4 can be ok
Aug 02 14:12:38 <Pali> and with udev and gentoo... this should be fixed in gentoo... no idea how you want to fix  maemo
Aug 02 14:13:46 <Luke-Jr> I think besides accept4 the only other thing was some CONFIG_FHANDLE feature I haven't had time to look into yet
Aug 02 16:40:05 <Luke-Jr> Pali: anyway, ACL/xattr should be a simple config change I think - do you need me to do anything for that?
Aug 02 16:50:14 <Pali> Luke-Jr: I do not know if I will have time to release new kp
Aug 02 16:50:22 <Luke-Jr> o
Aug 02 16:50:35 <Pali> but you can prepare patches
Aug 02 16:50:46 <Pali> and I can at least include them into git
Aug 02 16:50:53 <Pali> so they will not disappear
Aug 02 16:52:24 <n98220> hello i was wondering if anyone could help me
Aug 02 16:52:41 <Pali> ~ask
Aug 02 16:52:41 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Aug 02 16:53:19 <n98220> Okay i freshly flashed my nokia n900 but can't install software all the repos are dead? what do i do?
Aug 02 16:53:36 <Pali> nokia ssu and ovi repos are dead
Aug 02 16:53:46 <Pali> Extras repo is up
Aug 02 16:54:28 <n98220> ive diasbled them repos. But when i do extras repo its not working .I.E. apt-get install aircrack-ng   output > wireless-tools required?
Aug 02 16:54:32 <Pali> and this reminds me... merlin1991: old nokia ssu repo must be cloned into Extras ASAP!
Aug 02 16:55:20 <n98220> Same goes for kismet output > libprc3 required > apt-get install libprc3 > unable to install
Aug 02 16:55:23 <Pali> n98220: if you are missing some packages you need to until them manually until merlin1991 do above job ^^^
Aug 02 16:55:49 <n98220> Pali how do i do this im pretty new to the n900 scene
Aug 02 16:56:04 <Pali> n98220: just like on other debian systems
Aug 02 16:56:17 <Pali> download them and then with dpkg -i
Aug 02 16:56:29 <n98220> Pali never used debian before allways use arch 
Aug 02 16:56:56 <Pali> download missing package and via xterm under root call dpkg -i package.deb
Aug 02 16:57:08 <Pali> some packages can be found in SDK repo: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/
Aug 02 16:57:10 <n98220> Pali Okay where are the links the the .deb packages
Aug 02 16:57:20 <Pali> ~repo
Aug 02 16:57:21 <infobot> The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications
Aug 02 16:57:33 <Pali> wrong links
Aug 02 16:57:47 <n98220> hmm 
Aug 02 16:58:17 <Pali> https://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29
Aug 02 16:58:27 <n98220> thank you :)
Aug 02 16:58:32 <Pali> here are mirrors of original repos
Aug 02 16:58:39 <Pali> so maybe no need for manual work :-)
Aug 02 16:59:23 <n98220> Thank you :) so i can delete all my orginal repos and add these via package manager?
Aug 02 17:03:39 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: how does the N9 use the ID pin on USB? i've got crazy situation here .. the port I bought for N9 has all the pins in opposite direction to the original pin :(
Aug 02 17:04:52 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, no info on that right now
Aug 02 17:05:18 <DocScrutinizer05> also I don't think I understand what you say
Aug 02 17:05:30 <DocScrutinizer05> opposite direction?
Aug 02 17:05:37 <n98220> Pali just put them repos in but they fail?
Aug 02 17:05:41 <Sicelo> + is where there is -
Aug 02 17:05:42 <Sicelo> :(
Aug 02 17:05:55 <Sicelo> so i guess either D+ or D- is where there is ID
Aug 02 17:07:29 <DocScrutinizer05> that's pretty odd, and you'll kill stuff with that adapter
Aug 02 17:08:02 <Sicelo> got the connector from RS components ... http://za.rs-online.com/web/p/micro-usb-connectors/8135766/
Aug 02 17:08:03 <Luke-Jr> Pali: don't really know how to prepare patches for config changes..
Aug 02 17:08:49 <n98220> my nokia says that the packages are broken and i get caution sign
Aug 02 17:08:52 <Sicelo> its really crazy
Aug 02 17:12:08 <bencoh> n98220: if it's just a warning about an expired key you can ignore it
Aug 02 17:12:14 <Pali> n98220: its not possible to delete original repos
Aug 02 17:12:52 <Pali> Luke-Jr: kp is quilt based
Aug 02 17:12:52 <n98220> yeah but it wont work when i open package manager no software loads that's the thing.
Aug 02 17:13:12 <Pali> so diff against rx51_defconfig
Aug 02 17:13:46 <n98220> basically got no software loading 
Aug 02 17:14:26 <Pali> you need to wait
Aug 02 17:14:30 <Pali> HAM is slooooooow
Aug 02 17:14:43 <Pali> 10 minutes to wait untile update
Aug 02 17:15:59 <n98220> there is no update thats what im saying all repos are broken just says no update
Aug 02 17:19:02 <n98220> i get this error  Applications list partially refreshed some catolgues unavailable check detials
Aug 02 17:36:05 <bencoh> n98220: are you familiar with te terminal ?
Aug 02 18:13:08 <n980008> how do i download python-scapy?
Aug 02 18:29:00 <n980008> never mind sorted it :p
Aug 02 18:49:20 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Aug 02 18:49:20 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Aug 02 19:13:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: use speedyHAM
Aug 02 19:13:40 <Pali> I know, already on cssu-devel :-)
Aug 02 19:13:41 <DocScrutinizer05> 10min -> 20s
Aug 02 19:13:47 <Pali> I have it
Aug 02 19:14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> aah you warned a user about standard HAM
Aug 02 19:14:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ham
Aug 02 19:14:35 <infobot> rumour has it, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
Aug 02 21:26:51 <franchescalinare> holaaaaaaaaa
Aug 02 21:27:30 <bencoh> hello
Aug 02 21:27:43 <franchescalinare> hello
Aug 02 21:52:55 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, ~canaima@ sounds familiar
Aug 02 21:58:45 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: usb blues .. N900 .. when connecting to PC, no USB prompt appears. when connecting wall charger, /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger is 1
Aug 02 22:00:01 <Sicelo> any suggestions?
Aug 02 22:01:48 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Aug 02 22:03:04 <Sicelo> or bad joint?
Aug 02 22:03:17 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, check your USB cable, use a known-good USB port on PC, on PC tail -f /var/log/messages (or dmesg) to see if N900 shows up enumerating there when connecting N900 to PC USB *when powered down*
Aug 02 22:03:50 <Sicelo> 2 different USB cables, which work 100% on 2nd N900
Aug 02 22:05:49 <DocScrutinizer05> do what I suggested, when the N900 doesn't enumerate in syslog (check against 2nd known good N900 if feasible), then there's a hw defect
Aug 02 22:06:26 <DocScrutinizer05> when it shows up in syslog as correctly enumerating, you got a sw problem
Aug 02 22:06:45 <DocScrutinizer05> or a bad USB cable that corrupts data
Aug 02 22:07:04 <Sicelo> switched off N900 ... http://paste.debian.net/288508/
Aug 02 22:07:20 <DocScrutinizer05> PC needs to be linux to have a syslog - if that wasn't obvious ;-)
Aug 02 22:08:06 <DocScrutinizer05> Aug  3 00:04:58 whitehouse kernel: [370060.545566] usb 1-6: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105
Aug 02 22:08:13 <DocScrutinizer05> your hardware is perfectly fine
Aug 02 22:09:54 <DocScrutinizer05> so, simplest fix: reflash
Aug 02 22:10:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ...since your problem is in software
Aug 02 22:10:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or find and squash the culprit
Aug 02 22:10:35 <Sicelo> anything i could look at/for .. wish to avoid reflash, haha
Aug 02 22:11:23 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno, maybe ask pali or freemangordon, I'm actually not that familar anymore with that detail of how USB in maemo works
Aug 02 22:11:48 <DocScrutinizer05> there are some scripts that get executed. And I think Pali fixed a few of them in CSSU
Aug 02 22:11:55 <Sicelo> i'll look on tmo .. something about the USB menu ... not sure what bring it up
Aug 02 22:11:57 <Sicelo> yeah
Aug 02 22:13:07 <Sicelo> let me test USB host 
Aug 02 22:15:38 <Sicelo> crazy N900 ... i almost fried my port .. "fixed" the port 2 times :(
Aug 02 22:15:42 <Sicelo> USB host works fine
Aug 02 22:17:11 <Sicelo> playing a video from USB right now. so definitely it's a Maemo problem. at least I know I fixed the device correctly then :)
Aug 02 22:17:22 <Sicelo> 2 x N900 resurrected.
Aug 02 22:17:38 <Sicelo> the N9 .. i need a new port, just dunno where i can get it
Aug 02 22:18:51 <DocScrutinizer05> did you ask about the swapped pins?
Aug 02 22:19:07 <DocScrutinizer05> aah you did
Aug 02 22:19:40 <DocScrutinizer05> that's pretty weird I dunno what's your exact problem. How could pins be swapped on a SMD USB port?
Aug 02 22:20:08 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe you meant the whole port is upside down? then you jave the wrong component
Aug 02 22:20:52 <Sicelo> the whole port is upside down yes. but, shouldn't it be pin-compatible?
Aug 02 22:20:53 <DocScrutinizer05> you need a port with same orientation
Aug 02 22:20:59 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Aug 02 22:21:29 <Sicelo> anyway, the N9 is not mine .. so it can wait :)
Aug 02 22:21:55 <DocScrutinizer05> your plug gets twisted a 180°, and thus the pins are lright-to-left instead left2right
Aug 02 22:22:32 <Sicelo> i will check other shops for the right component
Aug 02 22:22:34 <DocScrutinizer05> you need a USB receptacle component that doesn't twist plug orientation
Aug 02 22:23:00 <Sicelo> this was the only one i could find locally (RS Components)
Aug 02 22:23:38 <DocScrutinizer05> what happened to the original receptacle?
Aug 02 22:25:15 <Sicelo> i wish i knew .. the inside was all gone
Aug 02 22:25:23 <DocScrutinizer05> duh!
Aug 02 22:25:44 <Sicelo> abuse
Aug 02 22:25:51 <DocScrutinizer05> can't you order a new one at ebay or whatever?
Aug 02 22:26:25 <DocScrutinizer05> finding one locally might turn out to be a quite demanding task or even mission impossible
Aug 02 22:28:32 <Sicelo> by the way .. in Maemo the N900 enumerates & disconnects many tmes .. but when off, just once.
Aug 02 22:29:19 <Sicelo> still suspect SW?
Aug 02 23:15:58 <xN9x> hey im getting errors while installing packages via dpkg -i 
Aug 02 23:16:37 <xN9x> dpkg: error processing obex-data-server_0.4.6-0ubuntu1_armel.deb (--install):
Aug 02 23:18:07 <xN9x> anyone got any ideas
Aug 02 23:19:00 <Sicelo> bnt?
Aug 02 23:21:59 <xN9x> bnt?
Aug 02 23:22:29 <xN9x> im new to n900 
Aug 02 23:22:53 <Luke-Jr> you realise N900 is dead? :p
Aug 02 23:22:56 <Luke-Jr> for years now..
Aug 02 23:24:49 <xN9x> yeah but im tryna download amerl debian files from deb packages 
Aug 02 23:26:46 <xN9x> so how do iget software then
Aug 02 23:27:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Luke-Jr: c'mon shut up
Aug 02 23:28:15 <Luke-Jr> DocScrutinizer05: why? it's true
Aug 02 23:28:26 <DocScrutinizer05> it's absolutely not helpful
Aug 02 23:28:33 <Luke-Jr> but I'm genuinely curious why someone would start using N900 today. :/
Aug 02 23:28:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and evidently not true either
Aug 02 23:29:02 <DocScrutinizer05> when you're curious you have a strange way to ask
Aug 02 23:29:48 <xN9x> So i can't do anything with it
Aug 02 23:30:07 <DocScrutinizer05> xN9x: you can get software
Aug 02 23:30:15 <DocScrutinizer05> nevermind Luke-Jr
Aug 02 23:30:31 <Luke-Jr> xN9x: debs are not usually compatible between different systems; I don't think Ubuntu debs are likely to ever work on N900 (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
Aug 02 23:30:47 <xN9x> Doscrutinizer05 how lol? been trying for ages am i ment to be downloading via dpkg ?
Aug 02 23:31:22 <DocScrutinizer05> xN9x: you generally are supposed to use HAM
Aug 02 23:31:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~ham
Aug 02 23:31:24 <infobot> from memory, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham
Aug 02 23:31:48 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to fix catalog list since Nokia repos went south
Aug 02 23:31:51 <xN9x> No i cant use ham lol it don't even load and i get repo errors
Aug 02 23:31:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~repos
Aug 02 23:31:54 <infobot> from memory, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./
Aug 02 23:32:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~repository
Aug 02 23:32:15 <xN9x> so disable all and just add them ?
Aug 02 23:32:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~repositories
Aug 02 23:32:17 <infobot> repositories are frequently old.
Aug 02 23:32:25 <DocScrutinizer05> damn
Aug 02 23:32:32 <DocScrutinizer05> ~maneo-repos
Aug 02 23:32:36 <Luke-Jr> lol infobot
Aug 02 23:32:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ~maemo-repos
Aug 02 23:32:43 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Aug 02 23:33:29 <xN9x> im trying to download software that is not listed in them repos via debain packages 
Aug 02 23:34:16 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29
Aug 02 23:34:34 <xN9x> ive tried them before they dont work :/
Aug 02 23:35:35 <DocScrutinizer05> they work for everybody else
Aug 02 23:36:38 <xN9x> how do i add them
Aug 02 23:36:41 <DocScrutinizer05> but seems you're about to invent a smarter method of handling the situation than what a dozen experts came up with
Aug 02 23:37:04 <xN9x> not really smart 
Aug 02 23:37:18 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Aug 02 23:37:46 <xN9x> what installing software from debain packages lol?
Aug 02 23:38:16 <DocScrutinizer05> in HAM, open menu and display catalogs. There's an option to edit or add catalogs, and the fields are labeled exactly like in http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29
Aug 02 23:38:43 <xN9x> yeah but when i do that none of the downloads show up :'/
Aug 02 23:40:43 <DocScrutinizer05> it takes like 15 minutes to complete
Aug 02 23:41:14 <xN9x> so sould i just delete all the repos i have and use these?
Aug 02 23:41:17 <DocScrutinizer05> depending on your internet connection maybe even longer
Aug 02 23:41:27 <xN9x> i got fibre optic 
Aug 02 23:41:36 <DocScrutinizer05> never delete repos, you can disable them
Aug 02 23:41:43 <xN9x> right okay 
Aug 02 23:41:51 <xN9x> then just update via terminal
Aug 02 23:42:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ??
Aug 02 23:42:16 <DocScrutinizer05> you are supposed to use HAM
Aug 02 23:42:22 <xN9x> ??'?
Aug 02 23:42:44 <DocScrutinizer05> please read the fine page http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository
Aug 02 23:42:48 <xN9x> ohh okay
Aug 02 23:42:49 <DocScrutinizer05> *completely*
Aug 02 23:44:24 <xN9x> no look ive done all of it lol 
Aug 02 23:44:58 <DocScrutinizer05> >>>Power users ***who understand that these packages might still be risky to use*** and are ***able to recover*** from any problems then install and test the packages. When enough testers have given a vote of approval, the packages are again promoted, this time to Extras<<<
Aug 02 23:45:40 <xN9x> added them all yeah and guess what same stuff.  unable to load listing 
Aug 02 23:46:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~question
Aug 02 23:46:15 <infobot> question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Aug 02 23:46:43 <xN9x> i gave my answer you just didn't read it correctly
Aug 02 23:46:52 <xN9x> quistion*
Aug 02 23:46:56 <DocScrutinizer05> *plonk*
Aug 02 23:47:36 <xN9x> put it simple boots phone -> default packages dont work -> adds all packages via ham -> packages dont work nothing loads no update availbe -_-
Aug 02 23:47:57 <DocScrutinizer05> bin the device
Aug 02 23:48:18 <DocScrutinizer05> it's dead
Aug 02 23:48:30 <xN9x> you just said n900 aint dead
Aug 02 23:48:47 <DocScrutinizer05> I been mistaken
Aug 02 23:49:08 <xN9x> bins phone -> package manager not working 
Aug 02 23:49:22 <Luke-Jr> better yet: ship it to DocScrutinizer05 ;)
Aug 02 23:49:31 <DocScrutinizer05> please don't
Aug 02 23:49:39 <Luke-Jr> eh? I figured you could use the case
Aug 02 23:49:41 <xN9x> please:  sudo rm -f /dev/sda
Aug 02 23:50:03 <DocScrutinizer05> Luke-Jr: customs is a nightmare, and used devices are useless basically
Aug 02 23:50:16 <Luke-Jr> there are non-used cases out there? :O
Aug 02 23:50:23 <xN9x> ehhh flashed the device latest firmware
Aug 02 23:50:35 <DocScrutinizer05> refurbished ones in mint condition, yes
Aug 02 23:50:36 <xN9x> Still aint working.
Aug 02 23:56:05 <Ianus> hey anyonee using n900
Aug 02 23:56:18 <xN9x> Here: <-----
Aug 02 23:56:28 <Ianus> :P
Aug 02 23:56:28 <DocScrutinizer05> Ianus: guess!
Aug 02 23:56:51 <Ianus> what peeps using them for ?
Aug 02 23:57:01 <DocScrutinizer05> err what device is it?
Aug 02 23:57:06 <xN9x> ATM to wipe my ass with
Aug 02 23:57:57 <DocScrutinizer05> Ianus: I think it's a phone (and more), and that's what I use it for
Aug 02 23:58:44 <Luke-Jr> Ianus: I use it for VNC to my PC
Aug 02 23:59:03 <Ianus> is that slow ?
Aug 02 23:59:15 <Luke-Jr> yes, because my home ISP is DSL crap
Aug 02 23:59:18 <Ianus> cos of the RAM limitation
Aug 02 23:59:31 <Luke-Jr> RAM is only annoying when I try to run Gentoo on it, tbh
Aug 02 23:59:38 <Ianus> ahh
Aug 02 23:59:53 <Ianus> See I got RPi as well and when you add a battery they make awesome combination.
Aug 03 00:00:09 <DocScrutinizer05> RAM limitation is a problem, yes. But not as bad as you might think, when you don't use ram greedy apps
Aug 03 00:00:28 <Ianus> i agree there
Aug 03 00:00:45 <Luke-Jr> I actually got qtwebkit to link on N900 the other day
Aug 03 00:00:53 <Luke-Jr> had to kill most of Maemo, but it finally finished..
Aug 03 00:01:18 <Ianus> lol, Im currently looking for a way to kickstart some new tools
Aug 03 00:01:43 <Luke-Jr> nuts, forgot to ask Pali why fcam wasn't included in power kernel
Aug 03 00:01:52 <Ianus> theres a few PSK tools im after they compile on arch linux nice and debian but i cant seem to get it compiling for n900
Aug 03 00:03:06 <DocScrutinizer05> Luke-Jr: hm?
Aug 03 00:03:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I think fcam is no (has no) kernel module
Aug 03 00:03:43 <Luke-Jr> DocScrutinizer05: last time I checked (2010?), fcam required kernel patches; I didn't see those in the current power kernel, so I was curious
Aug 03 00:04:11 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think fcam ever required kernel patches
Aug 03 00:04:23 <Luke-Jr> eh, I have: http://codepad.org/K3Jod569
Aug 03 00:04:37 <DocScrutinizer05> it requires a driver that matches the kernel afaik
Aug 03 00:05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> but I'm pretty sure fcam didn't flash a new kernel back when I installed it
Aug 03 00:06:18 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm ok, it has kernel *modules*. I stand corrected. Actually a valid question why those are not bundled with KP
Aug 03 00:08:13 <Ianus> brb just reinstalled so my tmux isnt setup right
Aug 03 00:11:57 <DocScrutinizer05> Luke-Jr: it's in fact a very "good" example how to mess up stuff by not properly implementing dependencies
Aug 03 00:13:04 <DocScrutinizer05> I recall you had to uninstall *all* camera stuff (except the stock camera that prolly has no dependencies at all since it gets handled by MP depends), after each kernel update
Aug 03 00:13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> just to allow updating of the kernel module from fcam
Aug 03 00:16:48 <DocScrutinizer05> oh hi svetlana :-)
Aug 03 00:17:05 <svetlana> Hello. :-)
Aug 03 00:23:48 <DocScrutinizer05> Luke-Jr: where from comes that fcam kernel module?
Aug 03 00:25:19 <DocScrutinizer05> couldn't apt get convinced to re-update it as soon as anything $kernel gets touched?
Aug 03 00:25:46 <DocScrutinizer05> no apt expert here, but isn't there a thing called "hooks" or somesuch?
Aug 03 00:27:08 <Luke-Jr> DocScrutinizer05: no idea, I just know I had patched it into fremantle-power-sources for Gentoo
Aug 03 00:32:18 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmmm  http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/ch02.html#hooks
Aug 03 00:35:15 <DocScrutinizer05> *iirc* it was possible to make pkg-A install a hook on pkg-B that executes stuff pkg-A needs to get done whenever pkg-B gets touched by apt
Aug 03 00:37:41 <DocScrutinizer05> or, at *very least*, the fcam pkg could install a generic hook that gets executed every time apt (or dpkg) quits, and then that fcam tool stub could check if the fcam kernel module is still installed or not, and act accordingly
Aug 03 00:38:57 <DocScrutinizer05> but yes, I don't see why fcam kernel module doesn't ship with KP
Aug 03 00:46:06 <DocScrutinizer05> svetlana: :-D you're running for councilor? great!
Aug 03 00:47:27 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to even vote this time
Aug 03 00:49:18 <svetlana> Yes; I am hoping to get a more thorough, both technical and not, insight into the project. Thanks to Wikiwide (Oksana) for suggesting that.
Aug 03 00:51:28 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Aug 03 00:56:24 <DocScrutinizer05> for the technical aspects there's a great wiki and a similarly great community. you'll love it. For the non technical aspects, it's a pity that there's no mail archive of council email at all. You'll learn to frown at many aspects of that part
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