**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 04 02:59:58 2015 Aug 04 03:01:40 http://pic.twitter.com/6JnhhoVdDn Aug 04 03:07:30 http://pic.twitter.com/xiGrh1lY5F Aug 04 06:34:54 I just ran an apt-get dist-upgrade on my N900 and it literally purged everything and killed itself Aug 04 06:34:59 Why? Aug 04 06:35:38 because packaging Aug 04 06:36:09 also, you should've noticed that something was wrong when it told you "installing one new package, removing 450 packages" Aug 04 06:36:25 and "THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY DANGEROUS TYPE THIS WHOLE PHRASE IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY THAT CRAZY" Aug 04 06:36:35 I never really look at that Aug 04 06:36:38 just accept it Aug 04 06:36:42 good job Aug 04 06:36:59 and when I realized it was purging everything I thought it was funny and let it keep going Aug 04 06:37:43 what could have caused that, though? Aug 04 06:38:02 bad packaging Aug 04 06:39:03 ah well Aug 04 06:39:24 it was just flashed yesterday, so this doesn't bother me too much Aug 04 06:43:15 recharged: never ever use autoremove on n900 Aug 04 06:43:28 or dist-upgrade Aug 04 06:43:35 really? why? Aug 04 06:43:36 and even upgrade is dangerous Aug 04 06:43:41 because nokia Aug 04 06:44:02 I've never had a problem with it before this Aug 04 06:44:10 on n900? Aug 04 06:44:15 yes Aug 04 06:44:46 in fact, it works better than ham and fam for me Aug 04 06:44:46 autoremove can be fixed manually Aug 04 06:44:54 most likely some package sucked something that conflicted with some system package, which in turn remove everything systemish Aug 04 06:45:05 KotCzarny: indeed Aug 04 06:45:35 and yes, when used cautiously, apt is much better Aug 04 06:45:55 but it prints what it's gonna do for a reason Aug 04 06:49:05 still, when doing system upgrades, you should use speedyham (or ham) Aug 04 06:49:22 I normally read it, but it said that there were 57 upgrades available so I assumed they were just upgrades Aug 04 06:49:33 I'll use one of them for now on Aug 04 06:49:41 ~speedyham Aug 04 06:49:42 rumour has it, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Aug 04 06:49:45 ~fam Aug 04 06:49:45 hmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam Aug 04 06:50:06 speedyham is available in cssu though, so: Aug 04 06:50:08 ~cssu Aug 04 06:50:08 cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Aug 04 10:49:28 something will have conflicted with the metapackage ball that is maemo. Aug 04 10:49:46 ~hamvsfam Aug 04 10:49:46 [hamvsfam] https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 Aug 04 11:17:33 hmm has speedyham changed lately? Because last i tried it nearly broke my system. Aug 04 11:18:12 install failed in ham and with apt it wanted to remove way too much stuff Aug 04 11:18:31 install of what and from which repo? Aug 04 11:18:49 Vajb: "speedyham" is supposed to be a part of CSSU Aug 04 11:19:01 it was never meant to be instgalled as a single package Aug 04 11:19:31 is it part of it already? Aug 04 11:19:40 i think cssu installation should be done via installing speedyham Aug 04 11:19:42 i have cssu-testing Aug 04 11:19:42 yes, afaik Aug 04 11:19:51 lemme check Aug 04 11:20:05 k maybe it wasn't when i tried Aug 04 11:20:17 i had cssu-stable back then Aug 04 11:20:39 and i recall installing atleast one cssu update after that Aug 04 11:20:58 so it is possible Aug 04 11:22:08 hmm, no, it is still not in cssu-testing Aug 04 11:23:17 oh, it is Aug 04 11:23:26 hildon-application-manager (1:2.2.73-2) unstable; urgency=low Aug 04 11:23:50 Vajb: ^^^ Aug 04 11:27:56 oh Aug 04 11:28:21 hmm lemme check which version i have Aug 04 11:32:03 yup Aug 04 11:32:11 that's what i have now Aug 04 11:34:14 I have a hand-picked speedyHAM on cssu-stable here, it seems to be working Aug 04 11:34:21 (cant say I use it much though) Aug 04 11:35:36 (s/seems/seemed/ since I haven't actually really used it for a few months ... just to try) Aug 04 11:36:09 bencoh: does cssu-stable includes upgraded glib needed by SHAM? Aug 04 11:36:33 Possibly cssu-devel enabled? there have been some changes there recently. I doubt stable has new glib Aug 04 11:36:54 why nodt, it's been in -testing for quite a long time Aug 04 11:36:54 libglib2.0-0 1.4.2+0m5 here Aug 04 11:36:58 *not Aug 04 11:37:31 freemangordon_: by "needed", do you mean "missing symbols" or bug fix ? Aug 04 11:37:44 hello anyone here using nokia n900 Aug 04 11:37:46 bencoh: debian dependencies :) Aug 04 11:37:49 oh Aug 04 11:37:58 Hxor: eh yeah.. Aug 04 11:37:58 Hxor: sure Aug 04 11:38:14 Hxor: of course :) Aug 04 11:38:37 hey :) im new to it very fun Aug 04 11:38:50 bencoh: I guess it depends on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0), so I wonder how did you manage to install it Aug 04 11:39:02 unless you compiled it from the source ofc Aug 04 11:39:39 i think you can get libglib2 as amerl.deb package Aug 04 11:40:25 freemangordon: maybe he enabled cssu repo Aug 04 11:40:50 freemangordon_: dpkg-deb -I says >= 2.20.0 here and I cant find the package on my build box so I guess I didnt build it Aug 04 11:41:21 and what do you have on the device? Aug 04 11:41:29 libglib version that is Aug 04 11:41:33 err, strike the 1.4.2 thing, that was libisi-glib, silly display Aug 04 11:41:43 libglib is 2.20.3-1maemo5+0m5 Aug 04 11:41:52 hmm, weird Aug 04 11:42:43 looks like it's the stock version Aug 04 11:42:51 (according to maemo.org/packages) Aug 04 11:43:10 is anyone able to download gits using git clone on n900 Aug 04 11:44:57 bencoh: hmm, yeah, seems somehow it does not depend on newer libglib. I wonder why DocScrutinizer05 had such dependency problems Aug 04 11:45:17 freemangordon_: cssu-devel I guess Aug 04 11:45:58 (hand-picking from it, I mean) Aug 04 11:56:37 i don't have libglib in my system Aug 04 11:56:51 wait, what ? Aug 04 11:57:13 no glib -> no gtk -> no hildon, are you running maemo ? :) Aug 04 11:57:17 apt-cache policy libglib Aug 04 11:57:17 W: Unable to locate package libglib Aug 04 11:57:30 Vajb: dpkg -l |grep libglib Aug 04 11:57:58 ah different string for that Aug 04 11:58:58 dpkg -l |grep libglib Aug 04 11:58:59 ii libglib2.0-0 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0 The GLib library of C routines Aug 04 15:43:29 * Wizzup finally has streaming to his n900 working decently Aug 04 15:43:42 I'm managing 44100, 2 channels over wifi Aug 04 15:43:45 pretty much realtime :) Aug 04 15:43:58 wav? Aug 04 15:44:02 or lossy? Aug 04 15:44:04 pulseaudio, so wav Aug 04 15:44:09 o.o Aug 04 15:44:18 you know you would be better with ANY compression? Aug 04 15:44:34 I know that all other solutions are mostly non existent Aug 04 15:44:35 n900's wifi is very bandwidth limited Aug 04 15:44:44 KotCzarny: It's playing as we speak, stable, for minutes Aug 04 15:45:00 with a very good response time (200ms) Aug 04 15:45:19 sure, but i bet there are shoutcast and ogg solutions to stream close-to-realtime Aug 04 15:45:30 All solutions I tried with sox,arecord/aplay,ssh,other compression had 8s+ latency Aug 04 15:45:36 And this just works Aug 04 15:45:50 So unless you're going to tell me I am burning through the wifi chip :) Aug 04 15:45:58 (alt. was to use usbnet) Aug 04 15:46:25 not only that, but this is mostly simple. Aug 04 15:47:42 wizzup: nas? Aug 04 15:48:10 What? Aug 04 15:48:16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Audio_System Aug 04 15:48:26 So it's liked network attached STORAGE Aug 04 15:50:42 but you are right in a way that it will go to pa anyway Aug 04 15:53:21 http://www.webrtc.org/faq Aug 04 15:53:25 another solution Aug 04 15:54:08 How is this the best solution to stream from my laptop to the n900 though? Aug 04 15:54:17 Like I said, It Just Works over wifi Aug 04 15:54:30 and if speed or latency really was an issue, I'd use usbnet to the n900 Aug 04 15:55:32 in short, any internet-phone app would do Aug 04 15:55:47 Except that none of them have pulseaudio and then inherent all the latency problems. Aug 04 15:55:57 I really wonder if you understand all the things that pulseaudio does Aug 04 15:56:07 It's not just "dump audio somewhere" Aug 04 15:56:17 It calculates latency, adjusts for it, syncs, etc, etc. Aug 04 15:56:27 and eats cpu needlessly Aug 04 15:56:34 about 7%. Aug 04 15:56:40 with the cpu downclocked Aug 04 15:56:44 if you understand any net-phone app does syncs too Aug 04 15:56:46 and the n900 attached to power. Aug 04 15:57:05 I have about 8 n900s. Why would I not use them? Aug 04 15:57:17 You're really desperately trying to find a solution to a problem I don't have Aug 04 15:57:26 ok, no problem Aug 04 16:04:18 Wizzup: perhaps you can share your setup for us to use as well :) Aug 04 16:05:35 I will Aug 04 16:06:43 cool. thanks Aug 04 16:14:16 * Sicelo must also find a place to drop the updated script derived from bq27200.sh for those N900 with bme-replacement. Aug 04 16:14:28 for me bnf has too little info Aug 04 16:21:31 sicelo: your personal wiki page? Aug 04 16:23:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1478682&postcount=1 Aug 04 16:23:12 just uploaded to tmo :) Aug 04 16:36:38 a properply configured audio encoder will give you *far* less than 8s latency Aug 04 16:36:49 the issue is with buffering Aug 04 16:37:33 and there are close-to-realtime codecs too Aug 04 16:37:39 at previous $job I used to broadcast audio+video(fullhd) streams with a ~100ms latency Aug 04 16:38:20 (we could go down 80ms but had to spend a frame in the video decoder and some time in the mux buffer) Aug 04 17:29:48 (( It calculates latency, adjusts for it)) to achieve what? Aug 04 17:31:16 Sicelo: I'll happily host such script on maemo.cloud-7.de Aug 04 17:36:37 doc, who owns/programs infobot? Aug 04 17:41:26 DocScrutinizer05: great. it's already on the post above. only mod was to change the i2cget lines to extract the info from /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/registers Aug 04 17:41:32 KotCzarny: Aug 04 17:41:35 ~owner Aug 04 17:41:35 TimRiker is my owner Aug 04 17:41:41 ~timriker Aug 04 17:41:42 rumour has it, timriker is a noob who does c/p Aug 04 17:41:53 - timriker: No such nick/channel Aug 04 17:42:00 ~factinfo timriker Aug 04 17:42:00 timriker -- created by trolll at Thu Aug 19 23:35:52 2010 (1810 days); it has been requested 68 times, last by KotCzarny, 19s ago. Aug 04 17:42:21 1810 days? Aug 04 17:42:49 ? Aug 04 17:43:11 ~seen timriker Aug 04 17:43:17 timriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #infobot, 2d 1h 58m 34s ago, saying: 'bot didn't clean up it's .pid file and would not restart. not sure why that happened. fixed.'. Aug 04 17:43:56 ~infobot Aug 04 17:43:56 it has been said that infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command! Aug 04 17:44:14 is infobot inherent to maemo community or freenode? Aug 04 17:50:53 neither Aug 04 17:51:07 ~+chaninfo Aug 04 17:51:07 123/123 channels, 4737 users, 3598 unique: #debian/1662, #kde/454, #gsoc/323, #asterisk/206, #maemo/188, #oe/147, #wowuidev/141, #wowace/97, #cubieboard/89, #utah/82, #neo900/79, #harmattan/72, #meego/60, #wowhead/59, #openmoko/57, #qi-hardware/54, #asterisk-dev/53, #bzflag/51, #openmoko-cdevel/50, #maemo-ssu/48, #webos-internals/47, #arm-netbook/44, #curseforge/42, #elinux/38, #uphpu/29, #slug/26, #debianppc/25, #sc2mapster/23, #gllug/ Aug 04 17:51:20 not bad Aug 05 00:54:31 mfw 0xFFFF segfaults **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 05 02:59:58 2015