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Aug 12 03:56:26 <newbieAlert> HEy hi, can someone please tell me how does libnotify works ?? I mean, what daemon listens to notifications sent by libnotify to create appropriate windows and stuff ?? And, also is there any way to check whether the led lights are on or not ??
Aug 12 03:59:55 <newbieAlert> And is it necessary for any application which sends notifiaction to use Dbus or not ??
Aug 12 04:23:37 <newbieAlert> Got it :) :) 
Aug 12 04:25:17 <svetlana> hi newbieAlert :)
Aug 12 04:51:38 <newbieAlert> svetlana: hi
Aug 12 04:51:43 <svetlana> hi :)
Aug 12 06:15:44 <newbieAlert> Hi all, I am not able to find the list of all the documented Dbus signals . Can anyone please paste the link.
Aug 12 06:38:40 <bencoh> newbieAlert: not sure we have a list
Aug 12 06:39:54 <newbieAlert> bencoh: I think I did read it like years ago .. :/ Anyways i have found this : http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_dbus
Aug 12 06:42:16 <Maxdamantus> There's also this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Aug 12 06:43:03 <newbieAlert> Maxdamantus: :D i was just about to paste that too .  :D I think this was created from the list. 
Aug 12 06:45:18 <newbieAlert> Sorry, THATS the list. phone-contol app is created from THAT list. Got confused with names.
Aug 12 06:51:00 <bencoh> it's far from complete, but ... okay :)
Aug 12 06:55:41 <Oksana> Not sure if it helps, but: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS http://wiki.maemo.org/DbusScripts http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus
Aug 12 06:57:24 <newbieAlert> bencoh: Oksana : Thank You all :)
Aug 12 09:18:30 <zGrr> moin :)
Aug 12 14:25:09 <Sicelo> ~seen pali
Aug 12 14:25:14 <infobot> pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 17h 51m 49s ago, saying: 'looks like avx2 works also in 32bit mode'.
Aug 12 17:08:09 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: It seems it maybe a last.fm issue and not mafw-lastfm, my other devices have stopped working...
Aug 12 17:16:42 <KotCzarny> what stopped working?
Aug 12 17:38:20 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny: My lastfm is being stupid and not scrobbling
Aug 12 17:41:07 <KotCzarny> hmm
Aug 12 17:42:27 <APic> Hmmm?
Aug 12 17:43:29 <APic> ,o0(I actually misread „mafw-lastfm“ as „Malware“…)
Aug 12 17:43:34 <APic> Sick Brain…
Aug 12 17:43:49 <sixwheeledbeast>  Well it gets better, my lastfm is showing "Listening on N900 Scrobbler" however, I am using Rhythmbox. o.O
Aug 12 17:44:05 <KotCzarny> hmm
Aug 12 17:44:10 <KotCzarny> oscp scrobbler works
Aug 12 17:44:26 <sixwheeledbeast> No tracks I have play on N900 have scrobbled over the last 4 days.
Aug 12 17:44:44 <KotCzarny> swb: use oscp?
Aug 12 17:44:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 12 17:45:42 <sixwheeledbeast> KotCzarny:  that's no guarantee to fix the issue plus I prefer OMP
Aug 12 17:45:53 <KotCzarny> well, it works now
Aug 12 17:46:17 <KotCzarny> so even if they changed protocol oscp works
Aug 12 17:46:56 <sixwheeledbeast> But I don't believe it's client side that's broken.
Aug 12 17:49:39 <KotCzarny> i would guess they removed api v1 support 
Aug 12 17:49:43 <KotCzarny> oscp uses api v2
Aug 12 17:49:56 <KotCzarny> but that's just a guess
Aug 12 17:50:13 <KotCzarny> Scrobbling from oscp (multiplatform: pc...
Aug 12 17:50:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 12 17:51:34 <KotCzarny> also, you can use oscp-scrobbler in just any app, or even scrobble from irc
Aug 12 18:31:22 <totalizator> sixwheeledbeast: I can't remember what the file was; maybe ~/.scrobbler-cache or sth; I have tested it yesterday and scrobbling from my N900 is working just fine
Aug 12 18:32:19 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: it's looking like something has got stuck at the server end. I have no idea how to fix the lastfm site isn't helpful either
Aug 12 18:32:46 <totalizator> what I remember is that the cache got corrupted once (some wird mp3 file name) and it was constantly trying to submit the tracks, draining my battery like in one day
Aug 12 18:33:22 <totalizator> then why it works for me?
Aug 12 18:34:23 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: this is possible, but I also believe something weird is happening too. I have uninstalled mafw-lastfm and reinstalled.
Aug 12 18:35:32 <KotCzarny> yeah, their forum says something about cache retries
Aug 12 18:41:18 <sixwheeledbeast> ok I removed that file.
Aug 12 18:41:27 <KotCzarny> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHQPX2TJPQc
Aug 12 18:41:30 <KotCzarny> china, 2h ago
Aug 12 18:46:13 <totalizator> sixwheeledbeast: ~/.osso/mafw-lastfm.queue
Aug 12 18:46:54 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator: a load of scrobbles have come through :)
Aug 12 18:47:48 <sixwheeledbeast> Something weird must have happened in ~/.scrobbles_cache, gonna check other devices
Aug 12 18:48:07 <totalizator> hah, great, gj :3
Aug 12 18:48:29 <KotCzarny> another cosmic riddle solved by maemo-community, yay!
Aug 12 18:49:09 <totalizator> hf!
Aug 12 18:49:30 <sixwheeledbeast> totalizator:  it was weird because the lastfm site was showing I was scrobbling  intermittently from N900 when I was on my Desktop.
Aug 12 18:50:41 <totalizator> lastfm api is a mystery for me; KotCzarny have tinkered with it a bit
Aug 12 18:50:52 <KotCzarny> it's quite simple, really
Aug 12 18:51:01 <KotCzarny> and well documented
Aug 12 18:51:36 <totalizator> I'll continue this topic some other time, gtg
Aug 12 18:51:38 <totalizator> &&
Aug 12 18:51:41 <KotCzarny> cya
Aug 12 18:51:55 <sixwheeledbeast> I may have spoke to soon, it's showing N900 scrobbler for my desktop ones again. At least a lump of them have come through anyway
Aug 12 18:52:32 <sixwheeledbeast> Hopefully is just the cache clearing.
Aug 12 18:52:47 <sixwheeledbeast> o/
Aug 12 18:52:49 <KotCzarny> remove all caches on all active devices
Aug 12 18:52:58 <KotCzarny> scrobbles are rate limited
Aug 12 18:59:33 <sixwheeledbeast> hm, now I have to find the cache files on all other devices
Aug 12 19:05:18 <KotCzarny> but only if you really have listened much
Aug 12 19:06:54 <KotCzarny> 5. Max daily scrobbles exceeded.
Aug 12 19:08:40 <sixwheeledbeast> Hmm I have killed mafw-lastfm on N900 and my scrobbles are sort of coming through again.
Aug 12 19:11:47 <sixwheeledbeast> I'll diagnose further tomorrow but other devices are working again with mafw-lastfm dead.
Aug 12 19:13:03 <KotCzarny> http://www.last.fm/forum/21713/_/670942
Aug 12 19:13:04 <KotCzarny> hehe
Aug 12 19:13:14 <KotCzarny> 1M scrobbles is the max
Aug 12 19:14:04 <FIQ> wtf is a scrobble
Aug 12 19:14:30 <KotCzarny> fiq: think of it as music listening stats with additional features
Aug 12 19:14:56 <FIQ> hmm ok
Aug 12 19:28:58 <stryngs> Why do people hate on the n900 so much
Aug 12 19:29:02 <stryngs> I hate it
Aug 12 19:29:05 <KotCzarny> i dont
Aug 12 19:29:09 <stryngs> They all rag on how much it sucks
Aug 12 19:29:10 <KotCzarny> i love my n900
Aug 12 19:29:12 <stryngs> Me too
Aug 12 19:29:17 <stryngs> I do amazing stuff with my n900
Aug 12 19:29:21 <KotCzarny> its just they use it wrong
Aug 12 19:29:23 <stryngs> Yet, they think I'm insane cuz its old
Aug 12 19:29:24 <KotCzarny> simple as that
Aug 12 19:32:15 <KotCzarny> daily scrobble limit is 2000 or so
Aug 12 19:37:30 <KotCzarny> You will not make more than 5 requests per originating IP address per  second, averaged over a 5 minute period, without prior written consent
Aug 12 19:38:48 <KotCzarny> sucks for people without external ip
Aug 12 19:49:05 <Luke-Jr> KotCzarny: unless they have blocking in place, it's not too bad
Aug 12 19:49:22 <Luke-Jr> two people making 5 requests each from the same IP complies with that, after all ;)
Aug 12 19:50:02 <KotCzarny> sure, but my small isp has ~4000-6000 users
Aug 12 19:50:16 <KotCzarny> and by default they go through same ip
Aug 12 19:50:26 <KotCzarny> unless one buys external one
Aug 12 19:51:25 <Luke-Jr> KotCzarny: my point is that 6000 requests from one IP is fine legally, as long as each user makes no more than 5
Aug 12 19:51:35 <KotCzarny> but i agree, they should do blocking per username, not ip
Aug 12 19:51:53 <KotCzarny> you could be right
Aug 12 19:52:46 <KotCzarny> but if swb has more than 5 devices active at the same time, they can hit it when resubmitting cache
Aug 12 22:19:59 <stryngs> So
Aug 12 22:20:58 <stryngs> ssl warnings
Aug 12 22:21:05 <stryngs> for instance, git
Aug 12 22:21:17 <stryngs> how on the n900, do i tell git what certs to use?
Aug 12 22:25:54 <bencoh> stryngs: http://git-scm.com/docs/git-config look for http/ssl
Aug 12 22:28:13 <stryngs> bencoh: Let me try to rephrase.  On the n900, I can avoid ssl via: GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true
Aug 12 22:28:18 <stryngs> On my laptop, this is not needed
Aug 12 22:28:25 <stryngs> My laptop git knows where certs are on my laptop
Aug 12 22:28:32 <stryngs> Where and how do i install those certs to maemo?
Aug 12 22:43:09 <myk42> Hi, i am considering buying a n900 and just wondered the state of maemo O/S appwise? I know the n900 is unsuported, but i love the design, and would love to run debian, or even nitdroid if that is still available. Looking at the forums on maemo.org, there still seems alot  of people involved. 
Aug 12 22:43:30 <stryngs> it's popular myk42 
Aug 12 22:43:40 <stryngs> Just gotta figure out what you want to do with it
Aug 12 22:43:47 <stryngs> Me?  I hack, so i run my own custom maemo os
Aug 12 22:43:50 <stryngs> others do CSSU
Aug 12 22:43:51 <stryngs> etc..
Aug 12 22:46:29 <myk42> basically is the browser, or choice of browsers still up to speed with the web? I mean i would be running facebook and stuff like, plus booking stuff online and shopping etc... plus gmail and youtube. The usual suspects maybe? 
Aug 12 22:46:40 <stryngs> haha
Aug 12 22:46:41 <stryngs> No
Aug 12 22:46:45 <myk42> :)
Aug 12 22:46:49 <myk42> :(
Aug 12 22:46:54 <myk42> really?
Aug 12 22:47:07 <stryngs> Not in my opinion
Aug 12 22:47:14 <stryngs> but i dont do many gui things with my n900
Aug 12 22:47:19 <stryngs> i use it for wifi pentesting and such
Aug 12 22:47:23 <stryngs> mostly command line
Aug 12 22:50:31 <myk42> i see! Yes this is apealling - having a proper linux-based o/s in your pocket, but i initially, need  a smartphone for the usual suspects -to compete with an entry level android phone, which i am considering ( i can get an n900 - my dream phone (still) fro the same price as a new entry level android)
Aug 12 22:51:55 <stryngs> u can get an n900 for around 40 eur
Aug 12 22:53:00 <myk42> I have one of the last symbian phones made, which is a great phone, but is starting to give me trouble. AN n900 would be a VAST improvement i expect.
Aug 12 23:06:45 <ZetaR> myk42: There is also new development of Maemo in preparation for the release of the Neo900.
Aug 12 23:09:22 <ZetaR> I got my N900 for Christmas last year, and I think its great. It hasn't really felt outdated because underneath the hood it is a standard Linux system and so you can port new packages quite easily.
Aug 12 23:09:26 <myk42> I'm glad to hear of this. The neo will upgrade the n900 i read, so maemo will run on these upgraded n900s? 
Aug 12 23:09:52 <ZetaR> The Neo900 is a new phone, which reuses the case of the N900.
Aug 12 23:10:05 <ZetaR> http://neo900.org/
Aug 12 23:11:03 <ZetaR> The Neo900 project just deals with hardware, but there is a separate group working on Maemo for the Neo900.
Aug 12 23:11:35 <myk42> yes i read of the neo900 and thought it a good idea. How far has the development of a maemo release for the neo900 got, andd will it be a standard maemo release or one specifically for the neo900?
Aug 12 23:12:43 <ZetaR> Sorry, I don't really know the answer to those questions. I have been hanging out mainly with the Neo900 hardware devs. I suspect that most of the work will also apply to the N900 though.
Aug 12 23:14:53 <myk42> I am considering getting an n900 (instead of an entry level android phone) do the maemo apps for facebook, and the browser(s), and youtube and such work at well still?
Aug 12 23:17:47 <ZetaR> I haven't really used Facebook/Youtube on my N900 so I am not sure, but there are a lot of tools for dealing with Youtube in the extras/testing/devel repositories. IDK about Facebook, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. There are also multiple browsers in the repositories that I have been looking at.
Aug 12 23:18:12 <ZetaR> Maybe someone else here would know more about that.
Aug 12 23:18:25 <myk42> are the browsers up to speed still with the current web? 
Aug 12 23:19:30 * Oksana goes to look up which browsers are available on Maemo 5....
Aug 12 23:19:31 <ZetaR> AFAIK the default browser has not had recent updates because of proprietary modules. I have not yet tested the other browsers available.
Aug 12 23:19:39 <myk42> also gps/openstreetmap is about the ony other thing i need atm 
Aug 12 23:20:12 <ZetaR> There are a lot of applications for that. Not sure what is standard.
Aug 12 23:20:22 <bencoh> there are quite a few (good) map applications, so I'm pretty sure you'll find one for you
Aug 12 23:20:45 <myk42> that sounds good
Aug 12 23:20:48 <ZetaR> Oksana: macuco2, leechcraft, links-hacked, lynx, heliummobilebrowser, fennec, dillo, and dooble. I may have missed a few.
Aug 12 23:21:33 <myk42> that and a text editor plus a 'real' keyboard, about wraps it up :)
Aug 12 23:21:43 <bencoh> regarding web browsing, javascripted web42.0 is just way too bloated even for top-the-shelf desktop computers, so ...
Aug 12 23:21:51 <bencoh> what would you expect ? it's slow on n900
Aug 12 23:22:24 <bencoh> where, "top-the-shelf", what the fuck ? thx, brain :D
Aug 12 23:22:33 <myk42> lol
Aug 12 23:22:45 <ZetaR> Heh, I agree with that. I usually just ignore pages that don't load without JS nowadays.
Aug 12 23:22:45 <bencoh> anyway, you get the idea
Aug 12 23:23:00 <myk42> yeah 
Aug 12 23:23:00 <ZetaR> I mean, on my main computer, not just on the N900.
Aug 12 23:23:05 <bencoh> same here
Aug 12 23:23:33 <bencoh> I tell noscript to allow if I really care, but I often just "meh, close"
Aug 12 23:24:53 <ZetaR> When you start using noscript and requestpolicy, it is really apparent how bloated and tangled most websites are.
Aug 12 23:25:06 <bencoh> unfortunately noscript doesn't work properly on microb
Aug 12 23:25:17 <myk42> no major problems with a site like facebook or say bbc, compared to average desktop?
Aug 12 23:25:26 <bencoh> (even if you do manage to make it run in microb, it's dead slow)
Aug 12 23:25:37 <myk42> i didn't m4an that comparisson literally
Aug 12 23:26:05 <bencoh> I think there is a fb app (or there used to be), but I'm not sure
Aug 12 23:26:08 <myk42> i forget the n900 is a phone lol ( and not a new one) kudos to the designers
Aug 12 23:26:32 <bencoh> I dont have any fb account, so ...
Aug 12 23:27:06 <myk42> bencoh: you are truely enlightened! 
Aug 12 23:28:36 <bencoh> probably not the only one here :)
Aug 12 23:28:44 <Oksana> QML Browser (webkit-based): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93508 | What is links-hacked? lynx does not support JS, right? Fennec-XUL-edition is a tad slow | FasterFox for MicroB: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72992 | Update MicroB engine (going slowly): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94107 | Alopex (gecko-based): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89506
Aug 12 23:29:30 <myk42> Ohh thanks! :P
Aug 12 23:31:17 <Oksana> I'm personally using MicroB (a tad broken by my attempts at manual optification), Fennec-XUL (a tad slow), and links (does not support https yet)
Aug 12 23:32:35 <Oksana> Ooh, anybody compared links vs elinks vs links-hacked ?
Aug 12 23:33:26 <bencoh> hmm, I thought we didnt have elinks
Aug 12 23:33:40 <bencoh> well, we dont. it's in diablo, not fremantle :)
Aug 12 23:34:12 <bencoh> I'll have to try and build/upload it some day
Aug 12 23:34:39 <Oksana> Okay, I used to have GoldenDict installed... From Diablo repository if I remember correctly
Aug 12 23:34:50 <bencoh> myk42: does m.facebook.com suit your needs ?
Aug 12 23:35:49 <Oksana> Though, I may be confused about GoldenDict, since it's apparently available for Fremantle, too
Aug 12 23:36:06 <bencoh> myk42: for youtube we have cutetube2 :)
Aug 12 23:36:30 <myk42> m.facebook looks good on my eeepc :D
Aug 12 23:36:51 <bencoh> hahaha
Aug 12 23:37:35 <bencoh> I suspect it would look as good on n900
Aug 12 23:38:07 <myk42> what about packages like dictd and dict client? I use these when writing with editor in xterm (all of which i can do on n900 with proper keyboard? )
Aug 12 23:39:03 <myk42> cool might start using m.facebook on desktop tbh, :)
Aug 12 23:40:26 <myk42> i prefer the dict server over any other dictionary, as i can look up many dictionary files on my local system on the command line.
Aug 12 23:40:35 <Oksana> I think that dictd and such are available http://maemo.org/packages/ |  webkit-based tear: http://maemo.org/packages/view/tear/
Aug 12 23:41:17 <Oksana> I use MStarDict, with many local files stored on phone, yes.
Aug 12 23:41:38 <Oksana> Here you go: http://maemo.org/packages/view/dictd/
Aug 12 23:42:38 <ZetaR> For my list of dictionaries I have: mstardict, qstardict, estardict, and dyct.
Aug 12 23:43:12 <ZetaR> I have been going through extras-devel letter by letter, but I haven't finished yet.
Aug 12 23:44:34 <myk42> Cool !
Aug 12 23:46:21 <bencoh> :-)
Aug 12 23:47:27 <bencoh> we also have dooble but I've never tried it yet
Aug 12 23:47:40 <bencoh> (because of the too many deps on -devel)
Aug 12 23:47:46 <bencoh> (iirc)
Aug 12 23:48:02 <bencoh> http://maemo.org/packages/view/dooble/
Aug 12 23:48:07 * Oksana prefers gecko, but that's just personal taste
Aug 12 23:50:01 <bencoh> I prefere microb on n900 as well
Aug 12 23:54:30 <myk42> wow looking at the microb site, it seems good. I have greta problems with a certain site that uses AJAX technology.
Aug 12 23:56:08 <myk42> ... on my current phone with opera mini browser
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