**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 14 02:59:58 2015 Aug 14 10:10:43 moin :) Aug 14 10:10:55 B) Aug 14 12:18:25 * Sicelo installed Windows Server to further test PEAP+MSCHAPV2 issues on N900 Aug 14 12:18:33 desperado Aug 14 12:19:47 it's a rather annoying situation, and it'd be nice to get to the root of it. Aug 14 12:20:52 *if* i can :) not saying i'll succeed, but doesn't hurt to try Aug 14 12:21:29 damn Aug 14 12:21:34 that's some commitment Aug 14 12:21:46 yay for virtual machines? Aug 14 12:26:30 i think EAPD is doing something wrong, *but* is also capable of doing it right ... thinki gconf keys. i know Pali got EAP GTC to work that way for example Aug 14 14:18:01 Pali: KMail is insanely slow in valgrind; I did get this: http://0bin.net/paste/3ntP2boc4gmIU0UY#UCdegtOWkfeT2-Y6uomgu4NnKv9bPxr5HQ9HATKFdj3 but I suspect it is triggered by Valgrind's slowness more than the original problem Aug 14 14:19:13 he's offline Aug 14 18:57:25 http://www.nokia.com/ie-en/support/faq/?action=singleFAQ&caseid=FA136101_en_US Aug 14 18:57:38 rather Aug 14 18:57:42 https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/bea4eff8-3083-4350-9b29-0b4aac49b93a/nokia-mobile-phones-unable-to-connect-wifi-that-uses-authentication-backend-based-on-nps-and-ad?forum=winserverNAP Aug 14 18:58:09 only that registry entry makes my WiFi 'replica' allow N900 to connect without issue at all Aug 14 18:58:41 * Sicelo wonders if Admins would be willing to implement .. doubtful Aug 14 19:41:02 Sicelo: asking wont cost you anything ;) Aug 14 19:44:26 yeah. i've decided i will. of course we're talking about a global organization, and this change will have to be reviewed by admins i have no hopes of ever meeting, haha. Aug 14 19:44:31 but will see Aug 14 19:46:35 haha Aug 14 19:47:09 i guess they are very jealous of their own role of decision makers Aug 14 19:47:37 and iPhones work, and Android .. what's Maemo, haha Aug 14 19:48:01 well voice of minority :p Aug 14 19:48:23 you can draw equility card Aug 14 19:49:14 Nokia is to blame though .. for sticking "too" closely to standards .. (think USB fast charging as well) Aug 14 19:50:53 well actually finns are known to follow rules too strictly Aug 14 19:51:11 standards are for something Aug 14 19:51:57 true that Aug 14 19:52:08 meant for bending, eh Aug 14 19:52:58 binding Aug 14 19:53:02 bonding Aug 14 19:56:29 unfortunately a user needs to achieve what he needs to. he have nfc about RFCs and such stuff :( Aug 14 19:58:29 for myself i'm quite happy to even spend time troubleshooting such stuff, but just look on b.m.o to see how many bugs could not be closed successfully due to this very issue. Aug 14 19:59:40 MS also to blame, but Nokia could have bent the 'rules' for the benefit of users. N900 isn't even the only one affected .. most, if not all their other "Enterprise" devices, E-series Symbian, suffered from the same issue Aug 14 19:59:44 you can only achieve perfectness with infinite resources and time Aug 14 20:00:17 and mind you, m$ is known for ignoring standards Aug 14 20:00:43 'your laptop doesnt want to boot anything else than "designed for..."? what a pity' Aug 14 20:02:02 not to mention... how come your laptop or desktop so often comes pre equipped with certain os Aug 14 20:02:26 it's like you could only buy car with 1.3 litre engine... Aug 14 20:02:50 vajb: funny thing is, they often don't work correctly with other versions of that os Aug 14 20:03:12 in this case they definitely ignored standards ... http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3748.txt section 5.2.3: "Since the Expanded Nak Type is valid only in Responses and has very limited functionality, it MUST NOT be used as a general purpose error indication, such as for communication of error messages, or negotiation of parameters specific to a particular EAP method." Aug 14 20:04:52 sicelo, nokia did the right thing then, and their devices would work with other, more standard implementations Aug 14 20:06:02 actually that reminded me of our current acer laptop. It boots fine with linux livecd, but then something "snaps" and it dies. Sounds like some relay is triggered or something. Aug 14 20:06:19 needless to mention that with vista it works... Aug 14 20:06:42 vajb, chromebooks die without loading specific kernel modules Aug 14 20:07:13 and my thinkpads just work (x40, x61) Aug 14 20:08:13 strange to say the least Aug 14 20:12:34 sicelo, can those expanded naks be blocked client side? Aug 14 20:27:36 i am still going to try some gconf values. problem is that EAPD is closed source. Aug 14 20:29:54 tried to run strings against EAPD .. not making much progress though. Pali did find there a useable key that applies to EAP GTC. THere are a bunch of other possible keys, but i've not got very promising results out of them Aug 14 20:30:18 not to mention that the lack of live logs on MS Server just makes matters worse, hehe Aug 14 21:05:04 hm.. Aug 14 21:05:15 my n900 can see my sim just fine, but it just never sees any ... ehm ... bars Aug 14 21:05:21 like it never picks up a 2g/3g signal Aug 14 21:05:25 (no, it is not in offline mode) Aug 14 21:09:29 signal in the area? Aug 14 21:12:37 Sicelo: was yesteday Aug 14 21:12:48 Sicelo: I cycled about 20km through amsterdam - no signal at any point Aug 14 21:12:57 as in - at the same place there was a signal yesterday Aug 14 21:17:44 tried a restart? Aug 14 21:18:21 if that happens again, as root run `pnatd` and type AT+CFUN=0 Aug 14 21:18:35 courtesy of DocScrutinizer05 Aug 14 21:21:43 otherwise you may need to open up the device and clean up the contacts for the antenna Aug 14 21:26:10 Sicelo: I tried a restart, didn't happen Aug 14 21:26:30 ehm Aug 14 21:26:31 I mean Aug 14 21:26:34 a restart did not help Aug 14 21:32:07 swapped sims Aug 14 21:32:11 the other sim works in my phone Aug 14 21:32:17 my current sim doesn't work in other phone Aug 14 21:32:21 indicates bad sim perhaps Aug 14 21:32:38 sounds like it for sure Aug 14 21:32:58 maybe you forgot the bill? Aug 14 21:33:12 Vajb: impossible! :) Aug 14 21:33:20 Also - would that really mean I could not get any connectivity using the SIM? Aug 14 21:33:29 In the other phone it even showed 'no sim' icon Aug 14 21:33:44 i think it might Aug 14 21:34:09 my mate once forgot his bill and he got no bars with sim Aug 14 21:34:34 ok, nevermind my last msg about other phone -- friend but it in in the wrong way Aug 14 21:34:37 (lol, how) Aug 14 21:34:45 also when one tried to call him the notice said "this phone number does not receive phone calls" Aug 14 21:34:52 (but that was is not my problem) Aug 14 21:34:56 Vajb: hmmm Aug 14 21:35:01 It said no cellular network here Aug 14 21:35:29 usually here it says that it is out of reach Aug 14 21:36:21 to clear things up Aug 14 21:36:31 two sims: sim A and sim B, two phones (n900s): C and D Aug 14 21:36:36 A + C = no signal whatsoever Aug 14 21:36:39 B + C = fine Aug 14 21:36:45 B + D = fine Aug 14 21:36:50 testing A + D now Aug 14 21:37:31 I think tmobile is just having some massive problems Aug 14 21:38:27 could be Aug 14 21:38:40 Yep: https://www.t-mobile.nl/netwerkstoring Aug 14 21:38:44 fuck :) Aug 14 21:38:46 wasted time Aug 14 21:39:03 at least in this area operators are having massive problems after thunder storms Aug 14 21:39:18 haha Aug 14 21:40:06 if you ar out of network it must be your own problem since networks don't break :p Aug 14 21:40:15 are* Aug 14 21:51:40 they do :p Aug 14 21:53:33 rare of course... once in Swaziland most phones (particularly Nokias) didn't ring their alarms in the morning ... something had happened on the servers to put the network-assigned time on UTC, while Swaziland is UTC+2. Aug 14 21:54:06 of course most people didn't really understand what had happened ... took about a week to get fixed Aug 14 21:54:50 so utc was set wrong? Aug 14 21:55:25 my alarm once didn't ring. Was caused by crahed alarmdaemon. Aug 14 21:55:46 was nice to wake up to my friends door bell ringing Aug 14 21:56:19 yes, network time was two hours behind .. happened overnight Aug 14 21:56:46 so we had two extra hours of sleep, haha ;) Aug 14 21:57:03 hmm that would have been very strange problem Aug 14 21:57:06 haha Aug 14 21:57:17 like time saving on steroids Aug 14 22:05:08 hehe, of course the sun kept its time, haha Aug 14 22:08:57 well good thing is you had sun. Once i remember taking too long nap during winter time and woke up at 7:30 and didn't know if it was am or pm. because it was it would have been dark either way. So eventually ihad to start my pc to see if i were very late from work or not. Aug 14 22:10:02 that was time before cell phones had 24h clocks. So i had only old clocks on walls etc Aug 14 22:21:20 wooooooooooo Aug 14 22:21:27 ipython for python2.7 Aug 14 22:21:32 all .deb'd up with no place to go! Aug 14 22:23:54 go nus? Aug 14 22:24:00 nuts* Aug 14 22:25:57 there have been plenty of if-fone clock issues in the past, IIRC most of Australia had an extra hour in bed due to a bug in the clock. Network server issues do happen, they happen a lot more than you think. Aug 14 22:27:26 hmm can't recall one here in finland Aug 14 22:27:50 my problem was just alarmdaemon dying Aug 14 22:29:38 hmm, but is it smart for smartphone to switch time one hour all of a sudden... Aug 14 22:40:38 Not just time related either Aug 14 22:54:13 if you enable phone to update time automatically .. then yes, can't blame the phone haha. after all, all time updates, whether via cell or NTP simply depend on trust ... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 15 02:59:58 2015