**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 16 02:59:59 2015 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 16 07:02:23 2015 Aug 16 08:57:40 sicelo: if new mobo is close enough to the old one, it could work Aug 16 08:57:44 (for windows) Aug 16 10:07:47 anyone knows what it means to have an error with " Protocol http not supported or disabled in libcurl" on a server when doing sudo apt-get update ? Aug 16 10:08:22 it's just that Aug 16 10:08:37 apt tried using http while server only does some apt specific Aug 16 10:08:43 erm Aug 16 10:08:46 scratch that Aug 16 10:08:53 update libcurl Aug 16 10:09:21 maybe you got some crippled one without knowing Aug 16 10:10:06 no http support in libcurl sounds like a bad joke Aug 16 10:10:12 :) Aug 16 10:10:20 I mean ... *curl* :) Aug 16 10:11:02 http://curl.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#Protocol_xxx_not_supported_or_di Aug 16 10:11:37 Note that this error will also occur if you pass a wrongly spelled protocol part as in "htpt://example.com" or as in the less evident case if you prefix the protocol part with a space Aug 16 10:11:56 could be space before http somewhere Aug 16 10:13:59 it is perfectly valid to disable http support in curl, just weird Aug 16 10:14:20 weird doesnt describe such castration Aug 16 10:14:20 curl supports a lot more than just http Aug 16 10:15:21 disabling https can be reasoned with 'not depending on ssl libs' Aug 16 10:15:33 but http is so trivial that it just doesnt make sense Aug 16 10:15:41 OK, well, it's perfectly valid. Aug 16 10:19:01 in the sources.list.d the gulty server is the following one :"deb http://download.mendeley.com/apt stable main" Aug 16 10:19:19 AccessDenied Aug 16 10:20:30 in muon package manager I have the latest "curl" package installed , it is version 7.35.0 Aug 16 10:20:44 anyway, are we still talking about maemo? Aug 16 10:21:19 oops ... fuck I picked up the wrong tab... I meant ubuntu .... Aug 16 10:21:21 sorry guys ... Aug 16 10:21:24 :) Aug 16 10:26:47 Any way to bypass the n900 boot loop without flashing / buying stuff or is it time to get a new phone? Aug 16 10:26:53 sure Aug 16 10:26:55 rescueos Aug 16 10:27:03 but first charge battery Aug 16 10:27:06 cant Aug 16 10:27:15 as it often is the reason of bootloop Aug 16 10:27:49 the whole boot loop issue is that you cannot charge the battery since it's automatically trying to start the OS Aug 16 10:28:06 it is one of the most stupid bugs ive ever seen, but here we are Aug 16 10:28:13 KotCzarny: yes, but good luck finding a mobo today that will closely match a +5yr old mobo :( Aug 16 10:28:29 KotCzarny: iirc there *is* battery charging in rescueos Aug 16 10:28:36 spongie: ^^^ Aug 16 10:28:38 sicelo: well, still doable, but i agree windows licensing sucks Aug 16 10:28:47 what am I supposed to do with rescueos? Aug 16 10:28:55 boot it, then run charging script Aug 16 10:29:04 spongie: so you just need to boot into rescueos, start charging and wix whatever is broken Aug 16 10:29:12 *fix Aug 16 10:29:20 but charge first, you might have working device without tinkering Aug 16 10:29:24 my N900 can never boot if I leave it charging Aug 16 10:29:30 i dont get how thats supposed to be done. Aug 16 10:29:35 so that means it must hold enough charge to at least boot Aug 16 10:29:37 ~rescueos Aug 16 10:29:38 rescueos is probably http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Aug 16 10:29:50 jon_y: exactly that. Aug 16 10:30:00 spongie: http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.2/documentation.txt Aug 16 10:30:01 why would it be able to boot rescueos when it cannot boot the regular os? Aug 16 10:30:04 then again, I remember the N900 charging without booting the OS Aug 16 10:30:05 jon, not entirely true Aug 16 10:30:18 as bme might decide to kill it prematurely Aug 16 10:30:18 well, both are true :) Aug 16 10:30:28 it can charge with and without OS Aug 16 10:30:29 there's one big huge issue: someone had the idea to boot automatically when a charge is attached Aug 16 10:30:43 spongie: so? Aug 16 10:30:45 that was the most stupid design flaw ive ever seen on any phone. (actually my old ericson had that prob too) Aug 16 10:30:53 spongie, try it first Aug 16 10:31:02 you can always grumble if it doesnt work Aug 16 10:31:04 freemangordon: when it boots, it then dies before booting because its running out of battery Aug 16 10:31:07 spongie: you can attach usb cable with the battery removed Aug 16 10:31:18 rescueos boots faster than maemo Aug 16 10:31:28 freemangordon: it doesnt respond to anything when I remove the battery Aug 16 10:31:44 yes, you should put it back while holding "U" Aug 16 10:32:08 just find a battery that has soe charge in it Aug 16 10:32:17 *some Aug 16 10:32:32 right. ill just go to my warehouse full of n900 batteries Aug 16 10:32:55 ask someone who has bl-5j compatible device? Aug 16 10:32:59 spongie: when you attach a charger, nolo charges the battery to a level so the OS can be booted Aug 16 10:33:07 freemangordon: except, IT DOESNT Aug 16 10:33:32 then your battery simply does not hold charge anymore Aug 16 10:33:40 it charges enough to show the white background nokia logo and shine the white light on the led before shutting down Aug 16 10:33:50 spongie: ALL phones boot when you connect charger .. how else would the phone "see" when the battery is full? they just boot to a Run Level 1 so to speak .. you get the idea Aug 16 10:34:04 Sicelo: using hardware rather than software. Aug 16 10:34:16 :) Aug 16 10:34:19 Sicelo: you could measure battery charge long before digital electronics became pocket size Aug 16 10:34:25 nokia 5230, 5800,, c3, x1, x6, asha 200/201/302, lumia 520/530 Aug 16 10:34:32 spongie: did you try to boot rescueos? Aug 16 10:34:50 freemangordon: I'm still not sure how Im supposed to get a downloaded image on my laptop on to the phone Aug 16 10:34:55 maybe the N900 should copy what Intel does with their management engine Aug 16 10:35:03 did you read documentationt there? Aug 16 10:35:07 http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/rescueOS-1.2/documentation.txt Aug 16 10:35:10 read it whole Aug 16 10:35:16 an auxiliary low power CPU that starts before the main CPU is even powered on Aug 16 10:35:30 for basic debug/testing/sanity Aug 16 10:35:30 spongie: flasher-3.5 -k rescueOS_n900_kernel_1.2.zImage -n rescueOS-1.2.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" Aug 16 10:35:44 right. so, my original question was "without flashing or buying something" Aug 16 10:35:52 it doesnt flash anything Aug 16 10:35:54 it just boots Aug 16 10:35:55 you won't flash anything Aug 16 10:36:07 but use the exact boot line Aug 16 10:36:21 note the "-l" Aug 16 10:36:27 it loads the image, not flash Aug 16 10:36:34 spongie: flasher can boot kernel and initrd without tpoouching any storage Aug 16 10:36:35 so it is not something permanent Aug 16 10:36:43 *touching Aug 16 10:37:25 why would it be able to boot rescueos when it cant do it with the normal os? Aug 16 10:37:30 just try it Aug 16 10:37:31 spongie: just read the rescueos documentation you've been given link to twice already :) Aug 16 10:37:39 freemangordon: already read the instructions on how to boot it Aug 16 10:38:04 but if my battery cant hold a charge very well any more (which is most likely true), then it needs to recharge for an hour or so before I could get any use of the phone Aug 16 10:38:30 boot rescueos, if it succeeds, start charging script immediately Aug 16 10:38:38 spongie: no, you can run the charger script whie in rescueos, so it won;t power down because of the empty battery Aug 16 10:38:54 what KotCzarny said Aug 16 10:39:09 its in: /rescueOS/charge21.bash Aug 16 10:39:27 better type it fast :) Aug 16 10:39:28 btw, I have two older phones here, both of them manage to indicate the charge level of the battery whilst being completely off. Aug 16 10:39:35 jon: tabbing helps Aug 16 10:39:44 make it a bash alias Aug 16 10:39:58 like "qqqq" Aug 16 10:39:59 I guess the main problem is that nobody excepts anybody to own a phone for longer than 2 years these days. Aug 16 10:40:01 i think ctrl-space is tab in rescueos Aug 16 10:40:21 spongie: my n900 is 6 years old, still holds charge for 5-6 days Aug 16 10:40:24 I know, but fumbling isn't the best when you are short on time Aug 16 10:40:30 (original battery) Aug 16 10:40:41 KotCzarny: but they designed it so it's completely broken once the battery starts failing Aug 16 10:40:49 jon_y: well, you'll train it in a couple of reboots :) Aug 16 10:40:57 spongie, its hacker device, hackers know the ways Aug 16 10:41:00 I could've had it for another 5 years easily. Aug 16 10:41:00 :) Aug 16 10:41:04 KotCzarny: not its the opposite Aug 16 10:41:05 interesting :) Aug 16 10:41:10 making things "automagic" is the opposite Aug 16 10:41:17 spongie, you can easily 'fix' it Aug 16 10:41:19 nothing should ever boot unless explicitly told so. Aug 16 10:41:25 thats why its hackers device Aug 16 10:41:25 KotCzarny: no, not "easily" Aug 16 10:41:28 try that on s60 Aug 16 10:41:33 so how can I contribute to rescueOS? Aug 16 10:41:35 spngie, EASILY Aug 16 10:41:39 add the qqqq alias Aug 16 10:41:42 KotCzarny: its the oppposite of hacker. apple users want automatic, I dont Aug 16 10:41:45 jon_y: talk to NIN101 Aug 16 10:41:46 jon: talk to author (nin101 i think) Aug 16 10:41:49 ok Aug 16 10:41:59 you can check its git repository first Aug 16 10:42:04 err, his* Aug 16 10:42:12 bencoh, its Aug 16 10:42:14 there isn't Aug 16 10:42:15 spongie: and how is the battery supposed to be charge without running a battery management software on a device with not so smart charging HW? Aug 16 10:42:17 or is there now? Aug 16 10:42:19 NIN101: hey what do you think of adding a bash alias for the battery charging script? Aug 16 10:42:26 my laptop doesnt boot just because I plug in the charger, neither should my phone Aug 16 10:42:40 NIN101: alias qqqq /rescueOS/charge21.bash Aug 16 10:42:43 freemangordon: i dunno, how did they manage to get phones to do that in 1995? Aug 16 10:42:49 use that amazeballs technology Aug 16 10:42:49 i would like my laptop to boot then i connect power :/ Aug 16 10:42:51 spongie: your laptop battery is not managed by the SW on the laptop Aug 16 10:43:10 luckily in thinkpads t[45]30 and higher they finally added it to the bios Aug 16 10:43:12 same with the magic led on those phones. they charge and dont boot. Aug 16 10:43:17 jon_y: there is already "chargebat" Aug 16 10:43:27 also, hi all. Aug 16 10:43:31 spongie: why are you so sure there is no SW running on those old phones? Aug 16 10:43:35 hey NIN101 Aug 16 10:43:37 NIN101: hi! Aug 16 10:43:38 oh ok, I thought I might make it easier by mashing the q key L( Aug 16 10:43:39 spongie, phones in 1995 booted os TOO, it was just much smaller Aug 16 10:43:40 freemangordon: +! Aug 16 10:43:42 :) Aug 16 10:43:44 :) Aug 16 10:43:44 and you didnt see it Aug 16 10:44:00 freemangordon: there could be, but it manages to run off whatever power the charger is supplying. Aug 16 10:44:09 the same for n900 Aug 16 10:44:17 it is just that your OS is broken Aug 16 10:44:21 also, except for the charger led it does nothing else unless I press the power key. might be they are in stand-by, which is still better than trying to boot the os Aug 16 10:44:39 can you hook a PSU up to the battery pins for the phone to boot? Aug 16 10:44:42 this is the most stupid thing ever, i cant beleive anybody would argue for this feature. Aug 16 10:44:44 05:33 < Sicelo> spongie: ALL phones boot when you connect charger .. how else would the phone "see" when the battery is full? they just boot to a Run Level 1 so to speak .. you get the idea Aug 16 10:44:50 Sicelo: I replied. Aug 16 10:44:52 just make sure it is the correct voltage of course Aug 16 10:44:54 no they dont Aug 16 10:45:08 who will control the LED? Aug 16 10:45:14 Sicelo: hardware. Aug 16 10:45:18 spongie: anyway, I don;t see the point of the arguing, it is the way it is :) Aug 16 10:45:23 Sicelo: it's quite easy from an electronics stand point Aug 16 10:45:46 spongie: charging LiIon or LiPo is easy? Aug 16 10:45:59 Sicelo: even if it is software managing the led on the old phones, they have made sure that it works even with really really bad batteries. Aug 16 10:46:03 that is new to me Aug 16 10:46:09 freemangordon: measuring charge Aug 16 10:46:14 why are you trying to sidetrack? Aug 16 10:46:14 :) Aug 16 10:46:33 this whole talk is useless here, try neo900 which is in development Aug 16 10:46:40 you cant change much in n900 Aug 16 10:46:52 will Neo900 use bleeding edge kernels? Aug 16 10:47:02 they won't accept it that side too. can tell you that for sure Aug 16 10:47:06 no, really, what I am trying to say is that most probably there *is* SW running on thosle old phones, that controls the charging process and LEDs Aug 16 10:47:10 and have a fully flashable nand Aug 16 10:47:13 The n900 is one of the shittiest products I ever bought (preordered), but it still beats the living snot out of the current competition. Aug 16 10:47:22 :) Aug 16 10:47:25 :P Aug 16 10:47:31 which is why im reluctant to pick up a FREE android phone from my provider Aug 16 10:47:31 yeah, the n900 is fucking awful Aug 16 10:47:32 freemangordon: you're correct Aug 16 10:47:33 gib me your n900, I need moar Aug 16 10:47:37 he he Aug 16 10:47:47 it was crap at day one, it's crap now Aug 16 10:47:50 i would also use another n900 Aug 16 10:47:55 and yet it was the best available at day one Aug 16 10:47:57 spongie: the same is on n900, just that your device has that SW broken Aug 16 10:47:59 and it's still the best available Aug 16 10:48:01 :( Aug 16 10:48:01 for science, and stuff Aug 16 10:48:06 btwy, to add more to this issue .. i have an N-Gage .. doesn't charge a brand new battery because OS is broken Aug 16 10:48:08 KotCzarny: i've already looked, it's not easy finding n900 in the perfect condition mine is in Aug 16 10:48:11 2003 pohone Aug 16 10:48:17 *phone Aug 16 10:48:18 I need it so I can build a shrine of N900s Aug 16 10:48:23 except for a few broken pixels in the top right corner it still looks shiny and new Aug 16 10:48:37 I don't know what I'll do if mine breaks down Aug 16 10:48:40 mine has just few scratches from all the falls Aug 16 10:48:49 no android device even comes close to the N900 Aug 16 10:48:49 jon_y: buy another one :) Aug 16 10:48:51 jon_y: commit suiciede. i will Aug 16 10:48:54 :D Aug 16 10:48:57 Sicelo: all phones are broken today. the only time phones where ever really good was when they were only phones Aug 16 10:48:58 D: Aug 16 10:49:10 I got a BQ aquaris with ubuntu touch. Yes, n900 sucks, the rest sucks more though. Aug 16 10:49:19 hehe Aug 16 10:49:40 jon_y: no, but my choices now are 1) elaborate fucking process to maybe, possibly mend a phone that might well crap out like this again or 2) just go mainstream Aug 16 10:49:42 NIN101: the only thing that really sucks about n900 is the amount of RAM Aug 16 10:49:54 spongie, just fix it, its quite easy Aug 16 10:49:57 >mainstream Aug 16 10:49:59 :nod: Aug 16 10:50:05 I'd rather get a dumbphone Aug 16 10:50:12 freemangordon: hmm, yeah, more or less. Aug 16 10:50:31 the only problem I have with a dumbphone is that it pretty much relies on the SIM card Aug 16 10:50:43 for all the SMS/phone number contacts Aug 16 10:50:54 KotCzarny: even if I could find the cable in the pile of a thousand cables I've never used (never connected my n900 to a PC) I'm not up for it Aug 16 10:50:59 NIN101: the main obstacle (for example) to have a recent gecko is that it puts the device on its knees RAM-wise Aug 16 10:51:00 and the cards have pretty limited space Aug 16 10:51:02 it's going to take more time than it's worth Aug 16 10:51:11 spongie: normal microusb cable? Aug 16 10:51:14 spongie, wanna sell it cheaply? Aug 16 10:51:18 hehe Aug 16 10:51:22 or donate to community? (me) Aug 16 10:51:35 Sicelo: I don't have any except the one that came with the phone. Nothing in my world uses micro. Aug 16 10:51:35 KotCzarny: oh, you're the community? :P Aug 16 10:51:39 donate it to the shrine of N900s (me) :) Aug 16 10:51:43 freemangordon: i has karma! :P Aug 16 10:52:11 KotCzarny: how cheaply? Aug 16 10:52:12 KotCzarny: oh, come on, you just found the exact one to talk about karma with ;) Aug 16 10:52:26 spongie, dont know the shipping costs, but 20-30$ ? Aug 16 10:52:36 meh. Aug 16 10:52:42 I'm lazy and not in need of any money. Aug 16 10:52:51 spongie: donate it then Aug 16 10:52:54 donate it for free! Aug 16 10:52:56 I'm still lazy. Aug 16 10:52:58 freemangordon: hehe, i wrote a program! Aug 16 10:53:09 ~oscp Aug 16 10:53:09 [oscp] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 Aug 16 10:53:12 I actually gave away my N9 Aug 16 10:53:15 KotCzarny: you're my hero ! Aug 16 10:53:20 while true; do ; done Aug 16 10:53:23 yay for maemo heros! Aug 16 10:53:24 :D Aug 16 10:53:24 a program :) Aug 16 10:53:27 I "upgraded" to the N9 for about 4 hours before shaking my head and going back to n900 Aug 16 10:53:36 n9 sucks Aug 16 10:53:40 too qt Aug 16 10:53:45 all phones suck, some just suck more Aug 16 10:53:55 maybe someone can port fremantle to n9 Aug 16 10:53:58 N9 suck because no keyboard Aug 16 10:54:00 spongie: think twice before throwing that device away. I have 2 n950 devices sitting in a drawer Aug 16 10:54:01 then it would rock Aug 16 10:54:02 anyway, at first ubuntu touch looked promising, I mean it is quite hackable (but still quite some pain). however, if it just won't receive phone calls anymore until restart, or audio player dying when switching song and then stopping working even after restart of the audio player app, I don't have that much hope for it. Aug 16 10:54:04 I love the n900 form factor, if they could just shove good hardware and software in there. Aug 16 10:54:23 spongie, n900 Aug 16 10:54:26 freemangordon: I keep em all, that's why I have phones from late 90's still. Aug 16 10:54:29 i mean neo900 Aug 16 10:54:36 KotCzarny: isnt that vapor ware? Aug 16 10:54:37 NIN101: seems canonical doesn't put much effort in ubuntu touch Aug 16 10:54:41 i think the gave 1G to it Aug 16 10:54:42 nope Aug 16 10:54:49 finalizing already Aug 16 10:54:49 freemangordon: yeah, not sure what they are doing. Aug 16 10:55:05 spongie: you know what n950 is, correct? Aug 16 10:55:06 KotCzarny: will it be in time for christmas? :) Aug 16 10:55:13 freemangordon: vaugely Aug 16 10:55:23 n9 with HW keyboard Aug 16 10:55:26 basically, my phone is for taking/making calls and occationally check email Aug 16 10:55:29 it is the N9 in 950 form Aug 16 10:55:35 *n900 form Aug 16 10:55:38 (although I did my fair share of X11 over wifi) Aug 16 10:55:42 yeah, neo900 has 1G of ram Aug 16 10:55:49 jon_y: right, but the N9 OS was horrible. Aug 16 10:55:50 only? :( Aug 16 10:56:01 who the fudge makes twitter and facebook part of the core packages? Aug 16 10:56:10 The device is currently in development. Pre-order now! Aug 16 10:56:15 jon_y: omap3 does not support more then 1GB Aug 16 10:56:17 people who think thay can beat apple at their own game, thats who. but that will fail. Aug 16 10:56:22 oh well ;( Aug 16 10:56:53 jon_y: read the FAQ on neo900.org :) Aug 16 10:57:00 whats this gta04 they are comparing with? Aug 16 10:57:08 spongie: where? Aug 16 10:57:16 will there be an omap5 version in the future? :) Aug 16 10:57:18 on specs page Aug 16 10:57:28 http://neo900.org/specs Aug 16 10:57:30 an openmoko phone/board Aug 16 10:57:34 I dunno... Debian ey. Aug 16 10:57:48 So, I have to use the little pointer stick to run xfce? Aug 16 10:57:51 jon_y: you'd better ask on #neo900, but I guess it largely depends on the outcome of the neo900 exercise Aug 16 10:57:58 ok Aug 16 10:58:03 spongie: it is not like that Aug 16 10:58:15 spongie: think about your laptop Aug 16 10:58:33 anyway, gotta run Aug 16 10:58:38 it comes with freedos, for example. then you put whatever OS you would like on it Aug 16 10:59:15 is LTE the 4G thing I keep hearing about? Aug 16 10:59:26 freemangordon: mine came with nothing Aug 16 10:59:30 freemangordon: ofcourse, I get that Aug 16 10:59:41 mine comes with the UEFI shell :) Aug 16 10:59:58 it doesn't even display right unfortunately Aug 16 11:00:03 I buy clevo to specifically avoid getting windows oem Aug 16 11:00:19 for instance, it won't scroll down if the text reaches the bottom Aug 16 11:00:51 neo900 looks fun, but i need a working phone tomorrow, so it's probably going to be one of those lg's Aug 16 11:01:09 freemangordon: but here's the thing. there is NO good phone OS Aug 16 11:01:14 will the Neo900 bring in UEFI? Aug 16 11:01:29 freemangordon: the number of bugs I have (had) to deal with daily on my n900 is nothing i want again, so im not going to use maemo. Aug 16 11:02:06 the only good part about UEFI is the capability to load a new kernel off an external storage is a built in feature Aug 16 11:02:13 * freemangordon is going afk for a while Aug 16 11:03:51 480,00 € for the neo900 Aug 16 11:03:59 this kills my bank account :( Aug 16 11:04:13 Yeah, it's a bit excessive for that hardware Aug 16 11:04:23 but i guess its expensive because of the small numbers Aug 16 11:05:10 jon_y: current price? no ways. even new i bought mine for less than that Aug 16 11:05:24 it says so on their page for preorder Aug 16 11:05:32 gosh Aug 16 11:05:49 ah, sorry, you means Neo Aug 16 11:05:55 * Sicelo missed that part Aug 16 11:05:57 yeah, it is just a down payment Aug 16 11:05:57 Yes. Aug 16 11:06:56 But still. 480 is a lot for the hardware, just like it was for the n900. (old hw before it hit the market) Aug 16 11:07:45 480 € is only partial payment. Aug 16 11:09:06 >Why won't you use that new shiny 16-core CPU with 32 GB RAM? Aug 16 11:09:09 heh Aug 16 11:09:31 "We believe that choosing a capacitive one would be considered a regression by current Maemo and Openmoko power users. Aug 16 11:09:52 :) Aug 16 11:10:08 Absolutely. Hey, neo900 looks fabulous, I can even buy the bare board and put in my in my old case Aug 16 11:10:39 >the cost of the motherboard should be somewhere around 990 EUR. The complete device will cost about 150 EUR more Aug 16 11:10:45 daaaaaaamg Aug 16 11:10:51 whut? Aug 16 11:11:00 http://neo900.org/faq Aug 16 11:11:06 How much will it cost Aug 16 11:11:27 what is that down payment crap they have on the store page? Aug 16 11:11:50 pay half for the full unit Aug 16 11:12:00 spongie: (bugs in maemo) - would you give an example? Aug 16 11:12:12 assuming you have cssu installed Aug 16 11:15:55 freemangordon: well, i rebooted the phone after a long flight, the screen wouldnt render until I rebooted. granted that only happened once or twice in all the time i had it Aug 16 11:16:02 more annoying is the email client. Aug 16 11:16:25 spongie: do you have cssu installed? Aug 16 11:16:37 I used sylpheed, but it wasnt really optimized for the small screen Aug 16 11:16:55 I just find it odd that the default email client in a shipped product doesnt do proper email. Aug 16 11:17:11 (amongst other things it ignored nested, but still legal, mime parts) Aug 16 11:17:34 the web browser is the slowest thing Ive ever used. it would take about 2.5 minutes just to start it Aug 16 11:17:47 what?!? Aug 16 11:17:49 once in the web browser, going to a web page could take another 2 minutes. Aug 16 11:18:06 spongie: something is terribly wrong with your device Aug 16 11:18:24 freemangordon: well, it is abolutely vanilla with only the official updates installed Aug 16 11:18:26 the only think microb struggles with is desktop FB Aug 16 11:18:31 spongie: ooh Aug 16 11:18:44 ~cssu Aug 16 11:18:44 hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Aug 16 11:18:44 freemangordon: however, remote X11 worked fine. Aug 16 11:18:55 spongie: install cssu Aug 16 11:18:57 too late for that now Aug 16 11:19:35 there's also that half second delay between when you switch from horizontal to vertical view Aug 16 11:19:42 swap hell Aug 16 11:19:54 spongie: yeah, this is a dealbreaker (half a second) Aug 16 11:20:03 also, when I remove the phone from my ear, it takes about 500-750ms to show the screen Aug 16 11:20:09 spongie: tweak your transitions.ini Aug 16 11:20:12 freemangordon: yeah. its annoying as hell Aug 16 11:20:31 *sigh* Aug 16 11:20:39 :nod: Aug 16 11:20:44 DocScrutinizer05: hi! Aug 16 11:21:03 I wish my i5 was that responsive Aug 16 11:21:22 DocScrutinizer51: I would rather not have a phone than having to use an iphone Aug 16 11:21:37 im seriously considering going back to the old button phones. Aug 16 11:22:21 i5 3.2GHz 4core intel Aug 16 11:22:36 how much is it? Aug 16 11:22:38 spongie: every time I use my GF's asha 200, I wonder why the hell it is so slow Aug 16 11:22:39 freemangordon: hi! Aug 16 11:22:54 freemangordon: the new vanilla android LG's are pretty swift. Aug 16 11:23:08 sure, but it is android still :) Aug 16 11:23:20 I have never used an iphone, so I have no idea, but ppl claim they are smooth and response. at least more so than android, but i have no idea. Aug 16 11:23:48 freemangordon: I'm not keen on dishing out 1k for a phone with 4 year old hardware. Aug 16 11:23:53 me neither, but yes, what I know is that iphone is very smooth Aug 16 11:23:56 developing snappy apps for embedded is an art Aug 16 11:24:28 freemangordon: even though its not saying much, android > ios. Aug 16 11:24:51 spongie: really, what is the problem with the dated HW? Aug 16 11:24:58 freemangordon: the price Aug 16 11:25:21 spongie: for that prce you get a complete device, not just a dated SoC Aug 16 11:25:36 *price Aug 16 11:25:40 freemangordon: and what hw will 1k buy me from apple or sony or lg, etc? Aug 16 11:25:59 I don't mind paying 20-30% more to get an open device, but when it's 3x more expensive Im out Aug 16 11:26:23 spongie: comparing apples to oranges? Aug 16 11:26:33 freemangordon: no. phone hw vs phone hw Aug 16 11:26:42 freemangordon: comparing money and money Aug 16 11:27:01 spongie: freedom is not cheap Aug 16 11:27:07