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Aug 20 03:41:16 <panjgoori> hello all
Aug 20 03:41:24 <stryngs> hi
Aug 20 03:42:03 <panjgoori> still active
Aug 20 03:42:11 <panjgoori> hello stryngs
Aug 20 06:37:29 <rbjr> hello maemo user hihi...
Aug 20 11:39:15 <rbjr> hello....
Aug 20 12:42:21 <HtheB> Guys, We have a patient here who needs to get revived! :P
Aug 20 12:42:36 <HtheB> somehow, I can't flash it anymore
Aug 20 12:42:50 <HtheB> it stays on Nokia N900 (Nokia Suite) :(
Aug 20 12:45:34 <DocScrutinizer05> errr
Aug 20 12:45:54 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia suite sounds like windows PC
Aug 20 12:46:13 <HtheB> ok, somehow, I managed to get the phone into "update mode"
Aug 20 12:46:26 <DocScrutinizer05> whatever that means
Aug 20 12:46:46 <HtheB> DocScrutinizer05: when you hold the U button while booting the phone, it will go into update mode 
Aug 20 12:46:51 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Aug 20 12:46:56 <DocScrutinizer05> unless battery too low
Aug 20 12:47:05 <HtheB> it's like 30-40%
Aug 20 12:47:09 <HtheB> shouldn't be too low
Aug 20 12:47:19 <DocScrutinizer05> NOLO will decide on that ;-)
Aug 20 12:47:43 <HtheB> the problem is
Aug 20 12:47:51 <HtheB> (at least thats what I figured it out right now)
Aug 20 12:47:57 <DocScrutinizer05> when voltage is too low, NOLO will try to charge battery and for that directly boots to linux
Aug 20 12:48:01 <HtheB> it stays on Update mode, untill i start the flashing
Aug 20 12:48:22 <HtheB> when I try to start flashing, it will kick me out of the update mode
Aug 20 12:48:46 <DocScrutinizer05> when you try to flash VANILLA then that's the expected behavior
Aug 20 12:48:58 <HtheB> aha
Aug 20 12:49:06 <DocScrutinizer05> VANILLA is handled by a update daemon in linux
Aug 20 12:49:10 <HtheB> got it
Aug 20 12:49:24 <HtheB> thanks
Aug 20 12:49:25 <HtheB> works
Aug 20 12:49:28 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Aug 20 12:49:41 <HtheB> i got fooled by the "flash vanilla first" :P
Aug 20 12:50:01 <HtheB> Patient saved! \o/
Aug 20 12:50:48 <DocScrutinizer05> well, actually it can't reach NOLO for COMBINED flashing after VANILLA flashing. So you need to reboot after VANILLA to enter "update mode" again, for COMBINED
Aug 20 12:50:57 <HtheB> yeah
Aug 20 12:52:28 <HtheB> CMT flashing failed < why does this happen?
Aug 20 12:52:38 <HtheB> Not that it's a big deal, since its working though
Aug 20 12:52:49 <DocScrutinizer05> that's nasty
Aug 20 12:53:23 <DocScrutinizer05> CMT flashing failing often is a sign of CMT already going south
Aug 20 12:53:47 <DocScrutinizer05> but sometimes it might be caused by very simple reason: low battery voltage
Aug 20 14:16:20 <xes> HtheB: i have experience of that CMT flashing failed error... Try with another (maybe older) pc with standard usb 2.0 port and a 32 bit os
Aug 20 14:22:56 <DocScrutinizer05> aah yes, that may help too
Aug 20 14:23:32 <DocScrutinizer05> for very weird reasons it seems the cmt data is particularly prone to data corruption
Aug 20 14:23:46 <DocScrutinizer05> hi xes! :) how's life?
Aug 20 14:24:07 <xes> i think flasher has some problem with recent hardware and usb 3.0 ports (and/or 64 bit linux)
Aug 20 14:25:43 <xes> hi DocScrutinizer05! life? ..hard, too firewalls, too patches, too many bad guys with a lot of free time... :)
Aug 20 14:26:09 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Aug 20 14:26:31 <xes> DocScrutinizer05: and you? Everything well at cccamp ?
Aug 20 14:27:04 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm still in desaster management mode and recovering
Aug 20 14:27:49 <xes> recovering what? health, hardware or wet shoes? :)
Aug 20 14:28:12 <DocScrutinizer05> cccamp was a great success I think. Still waiting for our own video footage of the real talks. The lightning talks are already online, our private truncated versions at http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/
Aug 20 14:29:16 <DocScrutinizer05> recovering health, it was pretty exhausting for me to organize all that, and there's still stuff pending to get organized (return rented stuff)
Aug 20 14:29:51 <DocScrutinizer05> hardware survived surprisingly well
Aug 20 14:30:36 <DocScrutinizer05> wet shoes, ohmy. I guess the washing machine will be able to tell we were at dusty cccamp
Aug 20 14:30:57 <xes> :)
Aug 20 14:31:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm still coughing little bricks
Aug 20 14:31:38 <DocScrutinizer05> no surprise when staying 10 days on a brick factory
Aug 20 14:31:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Aug 20 14:33:19 <DocScrutinizer05> it been sort of old wild west movies. You don't see the trail/army/whatever, you only see the *dust* they create which forms 100m high endless clouds
Aug 20 14:34:01 <xes> videos seem interesting.. have you also some interesting photo camp life/events?
Aug 20 14:34:11 <DocScrutinizer05> few
Aug 20 14:34:15 <DocScrutinizer05> very few
Aug 20 14:34:46 <DocScrutinizer05> I've actually been too busy to take snapshots
Aug 20 14:36:26 <xes> hey ..and the rad1o sdr toy? :)
Aug 20 14:39:47 <DocScrutinizer05> pre-start 20% of luggage: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150805_002.jpg. Camper on day-minus3 with no crown on place http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150810_001.jpg + 002 /  Village: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150810_004.jpg to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150811_003.jpg  
Aug 20 14:40:18 <DocScrutinizer05> the rad1o toy looks nice. I had not a minute time to play with it yet, though
Aug 20 15:47:15 * sixwheeledbeast has replaced his seized CPU fan for a 120mm push/pull setup and is now running at a cool 13C :)
Aug 20 16:03:52 <bencoh> 13C ?
Aug 20 16:03:54 <bencoh> wow
Aug 20 16:10:22 <sixwheeledbeast> bencoh: I was surprised too. It is a huge heatsink tho, with two 120mm fans either side.
Aug 20 16:14:23 <sixwheeledbeast> That is idle, I have yet to see the temp go above 30 even under load. Room temp is currently 23. I think I should live in my case on hot days  :)
Aug 20 16:14:38 <HtheB> xes: i see
Aug 20 16:14:48 <HtheB> What exactly is CMT anyway?
Aug 20 16:14:54 <HtheB> since I can boot up the phone...
Aug 20 16:14:59 <HtheB> even if it fails to
Aug 20 16:15:03 <Win7Mac> sixwheeledbeast, your room-Temp 30°C? - The sensor readout must be wrong... a fan physically cannot cool down below room-temp...
Aug 20 16:15:40 <Win7Mac> oh, 23°C, but still...
Aug 20 16:16:13 <sixwheeledbeast> room temp is 23C, MB temp is 34C, CPU temp is 13-16C idle.
Aug 20 16:16:44 <Win7Mac> impossible...
Aug 20 16:17:31 <Win7Mac> the fan blows 23°C air to the cooler...
Aug 20 16:17:51 <bencoh> actually it is possible
Aug 20 16:17:55 <sixwheeledbeast> I have no reason to question it.
Aug 20 16:18:21 <bencoh> the air cools down when it's accelerated
Aug 20 16:18:42 <sixwheeledbeast> I was showing 61-70C when I diagnosed my CPU fan had seized.
Aug 20 16:19:25 <bencoh> Win7Mac: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle
Aug 20 16:21:34 <Win7Mac> sixwheeledbeast, check another tool to read out temps
Aug 20 16:21:46 <sixwheeledbeast> Also I think this is the benefit of the push/pull creating negative pressure in the heatsink. Before with only push I used to get about 23-26 idle, but I have also increased the amount and quality of the case fans too.
Aug 20 16:22:23 <sixwheeledbeast> I will check with BIOS in a few minutes I have to shutdown to reinstall a RAM chip.
Aug 20 16:24:42 <Win7Mac> bencoh, you'd need turbines for that I guess...
Aug 20 16:25:04 <Win7Mac> compressed air...
Aug 20 16:44:19 <ecc3g> peltier? phase change?
Aug 20 16:47:05 <Win7Mac> Thermotunneling? ;)
Aug 20 16:48:28 <ecc3g> laser refrigeration?
Aug 20 16:50:47 <HtheB> does anyone know how to turn off the phone functionality when booting up the phone?
Aug 20 16:51:05 <HtheB> it takes like a minute untill the n900 is booted up :( (phone function doesn't work anymore)
Aug 20 16:52:29 <sixwheeledbeast> ok so BIOS temps are similar values to sensors applet
Aug 20 16:53:54 <sixwheeledbeast> I have tweaked it to "Auto Mode" now, was set to "Full On"
Aug 20 17:01:15 <sixwheeledbeast> HtheB: Never tried would look into upstart or rcs-late? There was also something in devel that would run scripts at startup.
Aug 20 17:05:54 <Sicelo> does FCamera take 640x480 snaps? any way to get better resolution?
Aug 20 17:10:05 <bencoh> Win7Mac: for bernoulli's effect to occure ? no
Aug 20 17:10:11 <bencoh> it's just on a different scale
Aug 20 17:10:41 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: what do you mean by "snaps" ? the low-res version encoded in the DNG file ?
Aug 20 17:10:48 <bencoh> or the preview image in viewfinder ?
Aug 20 17:11:19 <Sicelo> i mean the DNG that gets saved. is this by design?
Aug 20 17:11:45 <bencoh> DNG contains a low-res "preview" and a full-res raw image
Aug 20 17:12:03 <bencoh> the preview is, well ... just a preview :)
Aug 20 17:12:20 <Sicelo> i'm opening it in Gimp .. how do i see the full-res? the DNG file is 11MB in size
Aug 20 17:13:06 <bencoh> use dcraw, ufraw, or any other RAW/DNG viewer/"converter"
Aug 20 17:13:26 <bencoh> there is a gimp/ufraw plugin so you can export ufraw result to gimp
Aug 20 17:13:43 <Sicelo> ah, thanks. i saw mention of dcraw on tmo. whew! i was shocked tbh
Aug 20 17:13:47 <bencoh> oh and ... welcome to the RAW editing world :-)
Aug 20 17:16:25 <Sicelo> N900 to thank for that, haha. BlessN900 can coexist with FCam? i have FCam on my 2nd N900, and BlessN900 on the main one
Aug 20 17:16:53 <bencoh> havent tried
Aug 20 17:17:29 <bencoh> depends on whether bless900 tries to install its own drivers as well
Aug 20 17:17:48 <Wizzup> I think blessn900 can just use fcam drivers
Aug 20 17:19:03 <Sicelo> ok. will test on the 2nd one before i do same on main one
Aug 20 17:24:14 <Sicelo> thanks bencoh .. looks good with ufraw. now someone needs to port one of these RAW tools to the N900 .. or they need obscure libs?
Aug 20 17:29:03 <sixwheeledbeast> I can also say that the air leaving the rear of the case is cooler than room temp.
Aug 20 17:32:50 <Win7Mac> using a thermometer or your hand?
Aug 20 18:27:42 <Win7Mac> CPU Sensors don't show absolute temps but the difference to a critical max. where a throttle kicks in: Junction Temperature Max (TjMax).
Aug 20 18:28:12 <Win7Mac> It *must* be a readout error since it's impossible that the cooling object (heatsink) gets colder than the cooling medium (air) with just fans. peltier or compressor is a different story
Aug 20 18:44:27 <Win7Mac> sixwheeledbeast, which CPU?
Aug 20 21:17:11 <bencoh> Sicelo: ufraw/dcraw could be ported to maemo
Aug 20 21:17:24 <bencoh> their are a few deps, but they're not too ugly
Aug 20 21:17:28 <bencoh> afaict
Aug 20 21:37:05 <Pali> Luke-Jr: hi, do you have some patches for kmail/kontact ready?
Aug 20 21:41:38 <Pali> now I fixed another bug: calling: kmail 'mailto:?To=test+a@test.aa' wanted to send mail to address "test a@test.aa" basically all '+' were replaced by ' ' space
Aug 20 21:42:40 <Pali> (I know '+' should  be properly percent escaped and that mailto uri is not valid per rfc, but it is better to not do such replace for "invalid" uris)
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