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Aug 21 06:09:39 <stryngs> http://ethicalreporting.org/foo400.png
Aug 21 06:10:14 <stryngs> http://ethicalreporting.org/unmask.html
Aug 21 06:36:06 <Sicelo> ?
Aug 21 06:38:17 <stryngs> Check out unmask Sicelo 
Aug 21 06:38:22 <stryngs> Then check out the png in a txt editor
Aug 21 06:38:25 <stryngs> follow the crumbs
Aug 21 06:38:28 <stryngs> It's "interesting"
Aug 21 08:13:21 <sproodlydoo> to whoever flashed my n900 on the last day of chaos communication camp: it works! \o/
Aug 21 08:14:37 <sproodlydoo> maybe the problem was the temperature
Aug 21 08:14:57 <kerio> \o/
Aug 21 08:25:57 <bencoh> :)
Aug 21 10:26:17 <DocScrutinizer51> ~gsm-agps
Aug 21 10:26:17 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP
Aug 21 10:26:36 <Sicelo> ~rrlp
Aug 21 10:26:37 <infobot> rrlp is probably the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP
Aug 21 10:27:16 <Sicelo> ~sicelo
Aug 21 10:27:21 * Sicelo kicks infobot 
Aug 21 10:27:48 <DocScrutinizer51> ~listkeys sicelo
Aug 21 10:27:49 <infobot> Factoid search of 'sicelo' by key (1): infobot sicelo.
Aug 21 10:28:07 <Sicelo> ~n900
Aug 21 10:28:07 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer
Aug 21 10:28:11 <Sicelo> hahaha
Aug 21 10:28:17 <Sicelo> ~n9
Aug 21 10:28:26 <Sicelo> unknown entity
Aug 21 10:28:29 <Sicelo> ~maemo
Aug 21 10:28:33 <DocScrutinizer51> ~infobot sicelo
Aug 21 10:29:41 <Sicelo> how are you DocScrutinizer51?
Aug 21 10:30:10 <Sicelo> thanks for those videos you posted :) wish i'd been there
Aug 21 10:39:59 <zGrr> moin :)
Aug 21 10:40:27 <APic> Heya *
Aug 21 10:45:07 <zGrr> :)
Aug 21 10:58:04 <DocScrutinizer05> grr connectivity drop without a warning sucks
Aug 21 10:58:20 <DocScrutinizer51> Sicelo: finished camp-aftermath and now I'll get me 3 days of sleep
Aug 21 14:03:36 <newbieAlert> Hey hi, what is volatge when n900 should show "Battery Low" ???
Aug 21 14:48:40 <Sicelo> seems to depend on your battery's capacity.
Aug 21 14:48:58 <Sicelo> which is also 'dependent' on calibration
Aug 21 14:49:34 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: 3600mV is being shown on bq27200.sh script !! 
Aug 21 14:49:47 <Sicelo> check CI flag..
Aug 21 14:49:48 <newbieAlert> and in Batterygraph too.
Aug 21 14:49:58 <Sicelo> what is it?
Aug 21 14:50:12 <newbieAlert> CI flag where ?? 
Aug 21 14:50:27 <Sicelo> bq27200 output
Aug 21 14:50:53 <newbieAlert> 1
Aug 21 14:51:16 <newbieAlert> i have 3 batteries in parallel connected !! 
Aug 21 14:51:30 <Sicelo> see .. your capacity readout is not accurate 
Aug 21 14:52:05 <Sicelo> paste the complete bq27200 output on a pastebin for us
Aug 21 14:52:21 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: ^^. For EDV1, it  should go below 3300 mV 
Aug 21 14:52:52 <Sicelo> of course it should .. but if N900 doesn't "know" the capacity of that battery?
Aug 21 14:52:54 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Umm, its charging right now. Will paste it in 20 min after discharging it. 
Aug 21 14:52:59 <Sicelo> ok
Aug 21 14:53:49 <Sicelo> anyway, i had battery notification when battery was full many times ... i had not calibrated for over a year, and CI=1
Aug 21 14:54:22 <Sicelo> my USb was broken .. now fixed, and since then, no more annoying battery low notifications
Aug 21 14:55:37 <Sicelo> what is your "Last Measured dDischarge" value?
Aug 21 14:55:42 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: But, that should be about given capacity of battery. What about the reported Voltage ?? It should not shut down at 3.6V :/
Aug 21 14:56:25 <newbieAlert> 1949 mah and then the phone went down, corrupting my SD card. 
Aug 21 14:56:27 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: 
Aug 21 14:56:55 <newbieAlert> So, i tend to charge it whenever it shows battery low for more than 4 times.
Aug 21 14:57:01 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: ^^
Aug 21 14:57:04 <Sicelo> if your capacity is low .. then battery voltage can drop very fast, enough to shut down
Aug 21 14:57:16 <Sicelo> that's when you junk the battery ;)
Aug 21 14:57:39 <Sicelo> so voltage alone isn't really the most important characteristic
Aug 21 14:57:58 <Sicelo> anyway, imm no engineer, and N900 is kinda complicated sometimes, haha
Aug 21 14:58:29 <Sicelo> speak to Pali, DocScrutinizer51 or some of the other more knowledgeable guys
Aug 21 14:58:33 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: 3 batteries?? I get a good working time of one whole day of heavy working and 2 days of moderate working .
Aug 21 14:59:01 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: just the figures dont match :/
Aug 21 14:59:17 <Sicelo> actually changing batteries is just what will cause your N900 to not "know" waht's going on :)
Aug 21 14:59:38 <Sicelo> new batteries? genuine?
Aug 21 14:59:55 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Yepgenuine Nokia batteries . BL-5J
Aug 21 15:00:09 <Sicelo> how old?
Aug 21 15:00:28 <Sicelo> using stock bme or replacement?
Aug 21 15:00:48 <newbieAlert> stock bme. 
Aug 21 15:00:53 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: used for about 7 months at max. 
Aug 21 15:01:15 <Sicelo> shutting down at 3.6V suggests your batteries have high internal resistance => time to bin them i think
Aug 21 15:01:50 <Sicelo> you use them in parallel? i don't know much about matching when you use them that way ...
Aug 21 15:02:06 <Sicelo> tmo is your best bet .. look for the scud threads i think
Aug 21 15:02:17 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: They work like Dual Battery Mod, except that they are 3.
Aug 21 15:02:40 * Sicelo has never followed those kinds of setup
Aug 21 15:03:09 <Sicelo> N900 is already big enough by itself, haha .. have no space in my pocket for a double-burger N900
Aug 21 15:03:13 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: What happened to pastebin app ?? :/ Cant find it.
Aug 21 15:03:43 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: :P :D :D yep and looks awful with lots of cellotape :P
Aug 21 15:03:44 <Sicelo> it's still there... there was even an update recently. tbh, i do it manually now
Aug 21 15:03:59 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Name of the app please.
Aug 21 15:04:26 <Sicelo> pastebinit
Aug 21 15:06:12 <Sicelo> omg .. latest one needs python3 .. i wasn't aware we had that. nice
Aug 21 15:08:56 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Cant find it . Trying manually.
Aug 21 15:09:25 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: http://pastebin.com/LHYEjD5G
Aug 21 15:09:39 <Sicelo>      1.4-3maemo1 0
Aug 21 15:09:40 <Sicelo>         500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Package
Aug 21 15:09:58 <Sicelo> check your repo lists
Aug 21 15:11:03 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Done manually . ^^
Aug 21 15:11:19 <Sicelo> pretty high power usage there .. 309mA .. enough to upset your voltage and cause a "big" dip .. and stock bme is most unforgiving
Aug 21 15:12:47 <Sicelo> wonder why your uSD got corrupted though ... bme shouldn't let that happen, and with stock bme shutting down a little too early..
Aug 21 15:13:02 <Sicelo> then again, everything can have hiccups anywhere ;)
Aug 21 15:14:57 <Sicelo> maybe one of your 3 batteries is bad, and is the weak link in your setup? dunno really .. have never played with multiple batteries to know how they affect each other when combined
Aug 21 15:15:52 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: I have no clue, It was the first time i tried to calibrate and i let it shut down with script looping every 5 second. thats when it read 1949mah and limit increased to 3600mV i think.
Aug 21 15:16:38 <Sicelo> huh? limit to 3600mV .. i don't get that part
Aug 21 15:16:48 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Ohh yes, 4 terminals, browser and FAM !! 
Aug 21 15:17:18 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: 3.6V to death !! It should survive till 3.3V.
Aug 21 15:17:27 <newbieAlert> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846
Aug 21 15:17:28 <Sicelo> bw, 1900mAh on 3 batteries .. alread sounds like you've got a bad battery somewhere .. remember a new BL-5J is 1430mAH the new ones
Aug 21 15:17:57 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: No, Calibration will be done in two steps as written in post. 
Aug 21 15:18:05 <Sicelo> yeah, i know death should come at 3000mV actually, and at 3248mV that's when calibration is considered complete
Aug 21 15:18:15 <Sicelo> ah, yes, you're going up by the way, haha
Aug 21 15:18:19 <bencoh> Sicelo: where do these "new" come from ?
Aug 21 15:18:24 <Sicelo> thinking you're going down
Aug 21 15:18:47 <Sicelo> new batteries? newer Nokias .. lumias using bl5j
Aug 21 15:18:58 <Sicelo> older bl5j are 1320mAh
Aug 21 15:19:05 <newbieAlert> bencoh: Shop. 1430mah.
Aug 21 15:19:30 <bencoh> genuine 1430mAh bl-5j ? fun
Aug 21 15:19:34 <Sicelo> yup
Aug 21 15:19:43 <Sicelo> revision ;)
Aug 21 15:20:24 <newbieAlert> bencoh: ?? 
Aug 21 15:20:34 <bencoh> newbieAlert: ?
Aug 21 15:20:48 <newbieAlert> is it not 1430?
Aug 21 15:20:59 <Sicelo> anyway newbieAlert ... all i said is mostly guesses .. bme will not shut down phone unless it thinks you're that low .. so we can assume somehow you did get that low after all
Aug 21 15:21:07 <Sicelo> just a quick one ..l
Aug 21 15:21:20 <Sicelo> did you have to set the time on switching N900 on again?
Aug 21 15:22:15 <newbieAlert> Sicelo:  after i keep battery out for a long time
Aug 21 15:22:32 <Sicelo> i mean .. when it shut down at 3.6V
Aug 21 15:23:43 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: I didnot let it !! It was showinng battery low continuosly and RSOC 0%.
Aug 21 15:23:56 <newbieAlert> thats when i plugged in the charger
Aug 21 15:25:02 <Sicelo> ok. i thought you were saying it shutdown :)
Aug 21 15:26:14 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: last time it did , took my uSD :P so, i didnot let it to. 
Aug 21 15:28:18 <Sicelo> still shouldn't shut it down unless your really d get very close to 3.2V
Aug 21 15:28:27 <Sicelo> anyway, going afk for a bit
Aug 21 15:28:54 <newbieAlert> I will be back in sometime after discharging this to 3.6V level. Will pastebin the very first time it shows "BAttery Low"/
Aug 21 15:30:14 <Sicelo> tbh this does imply "battery low" warning is based on RSOC, so it would make sense for you to get it very early
Aug 21 15:30:28 <Sicelo> doesn't explain how you get an early shutdown though ...
Aug 21 15:30:59 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: My RSOc goes 0% very early, when my original battery indicator shows about 6%.
Aug 21 15:31:13 <Sicelo> when my battery wasn't calibrated, i'd get very early and numerous "battery low" notifications, but battery still lasted a full day 
Aug 21 15:31:28 <Sicelo> it's expected .. your calibration is off anyway
Aug 21 15:32:17 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Wokay.. So i will let it shutdown again this time. :) :) Hope it doesnot corrupt my uSD. 
Aug 21 15:32:44 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Thanks :) :) 
Aug 21 15:50:56 <Luke-Jr> Pali: sent those pull reqs
Aug 21 15:51:13 <Pali> Luke-Jr: yes, I got emails
Aug 21 15:51:30 <Pali> please wait as now I have couple of things to do...
Aug 21 15:53:04 <Luke-Jr> np
Aug 21 18:07:37 <newbieAlert> okay here is one more pastebin , when its showing battery low : pastebin.com/5q5cZD19
Aug 21 18:08:12 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: ^^ if you are  there.
Aug 21 18:08:56 <newbieAlert> www.pastebin.com/5q5cZD19
Aug 21 18:13:19 <Sicelo> i see it .. dunno .. but still makes sense to me that you should get batterly low warning ... the meter says you have 0mAh now. on the other hand, as you do have 3.62V, it shouldn't shutdown. still wonder why you're using so much power though ... 289mA is rather on the high side :)
Aug 21 18:14:27 <Sicelo> anyway, you may get better performance with calibrating this faster ... shutdown bme and monitor the battery voltage, and charge as soon as EDVF=1
Aug 21 18:15:52 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: power usage right now is 54 to 155 .. 
Aug 21 18:16:25 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: shutting down BME will make it reboot in 32seconds. So should i just continue without shutting BME ??
Aug 21 18:21:54 <Sicelo> why will it reboot?
Aug 21 18:24:35 <newbieAlert> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734   .... Its written there.
Aug 21 18:31:46 <Sicelo> are you hotswapping your batteries? :/
Aug 21 18:34:21 <Sicelo> that post is about hotswapping battery ... the OP was saying you only have 32 seconds in which you can keep N900 switched on without a battery in the device. it has no relation to your problem
Aug 21 18:35:34 <newbieAlert> Sicelo:  I think, it said BME can keep off only for 32 seconds. 
Aug 21 18:35:50 <Sicelo> nop :)
Aug 21 18:38:04 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Btw, this bq27200.sh script does switch off BME before getting the values and then switches it on.
Aug 21 18:38:47 <Sicelo> i don't know which bq27200.sh you have then .. the original one does not do anything to bme
Aug 21 18:40:32 <Sicelo> just look in the script ... you're sure it stops BME?
Aug 21 18:42:11 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Looked into It. Its commented :/ 
Aug 21 18:42:49 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Till now, device is still on , and continuous battery low warnings.
Aug 21 18:48:02 <Sicelo> anyway, it won't calibrate now :)
Aug 21 18:48:15 <Sicelo> you may as well charge ...
Aug 21 18:49:59 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Thanks :) :) 2 days to kill a completely charged battery.
Aug 21 18:50:41 <Sicelo> VDQ=0 .. it will only be 1 when the battery is charged to full, and will remain 1 *provided* you do not connect a charger again (even charging while using N900 in mass storage mode). When VDQ=1, and EVDF becomes 1 (for 10 to 15 seconds .. not too sure which), only then does the chip consider it a proper discharge cycle, and "calibration" is complete
Aug 21 18:52:38 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Yeah!! I know that except VDQ goes 1 without completely charging thebattery. 
Aug 21 18:54:06 <Sicelo> yes. that does happen sometimes, haha
Aug 21 18:54:27 <kerio> newbieAlert: 
Aug 21 18:54:29 <kerio> whoops
Aug 21 18:54:41 <kerio> newbieAlert: only do your calibration starting from a fully charged battery that just finished charging
Aug 21 18:54:56 <kerio> and let it discharge at a constant rate and at constant temperature until the calibration is complete
Aug 21 18:57:11 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: Thanks for help :) :) :) you have been great :)
Aug 21 18:57:51 <newbieAlert> kerio: Thanks. But constant rate and temp ?? Just keep it onstandby ??
Aug 21 18:58:17 <kerio> i like offline mode and screen turned on at full brightness
Aug 21 18:58:24 <kerio> gives a 180-ish mA load
Aug 21 18:58:45 <kerio> note that, in theory, you'll get a reading that's smaller than it should be
Aug 21 18:59:04 <kerio> but underestimating your battery is not that big of a deal at all, really
Aug 21 18:59:48 <newbieAlert> kerio: It has alreasdy been calibrated once, till 2000 mah. Now it needs to go from 2000 to 4000 mah.
Aug 21 19:00:29 <kerio> ayy lmao
Aug 21 19:04:01 <Sicelo> both my batterys are now only 1000mAh ... 5 years use, daily charging
Aug 21 19:04:34 <Sicelo> my spelling is bad today
Aug 21 19:05:45 <newbieAlert> Sicelo: haha! 
Aug 21 20:13:59 <Pali> Luke-Jr: I will look at patches tomorrow... I believe I could have some time 
Aug 21 20:51:05 <Luke-Jr> Pali: k
Aug 21 20:51:59 <Luke-Jr> Pali: not that I have time, but just in case: would you accept patches that improve portability so it can maybe be compiled with Qt5/KDE5 (optionally)?
Aug 21 20:52:39 <Pali> Luke-Jr: if patches does not break Qt4/KDE4 I can accept them
Aug 21 20:52:52 <Luke-Jr> great
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