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Aug 22 04:17:24 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: why don't you direct newbies to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh
Aug 22 04:19:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<newbieAlert> Sicelo: Ohh yes, 4 terminals, browser and FAM !! )  DUH? ~fapman ?
Aug 22 04:19:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fapman
Aug 22 04:19:16 <infobot> fapman is, like, Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
Aug 22 04:20:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fam
Aug 22 04:20:02 <infobot> rumour has it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
Aug 22 04:21:23 <DocScrutinizer05> @maintainers (anybody knowing how to package for extras-devel): please could you have a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1479967 ?
Aug 22 04:23:19 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: 
Aug 22 04:23:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq-calibrate
Aug 22 04:23:27 <infobot> hmm... bq-calibrate is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846
Aug 22 18:42:02 <salamisami> Hi
Aug 22 18:42:13 <salamisami> Anyone here use motorola photon Q?
Aug 22 18:42:22 <salamisami> was looking to get it to replace my n900
Aug 22 18:48:52 <Sicelo> wrong channel, haha
Aug 22 18:49:27 <Sicelo> why are you replacing N900? can you not buy a replacement at least (assuming your current one is unrepairable)?
Aug 22 19:05:50 <Sicelo> on an unrelated point
Aug 22 19:05:56 <Sicelo> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=953421&postcount=969
Aug 22 19:06:27 <Sicelo> how do i use "forcedrotation"? is it per application, or i set a system-wide gconf key perhaps?
Aug 22 19:42:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: if it got implemented like specified, it should be both possible
Aug 22 19:46:28 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a whitelist obviously. And iirc there also should be a blacklist. Ideally those are integrated into the .desktop files as X-MAEMO-* keys, but I think that idea never got implemented. And then there's the system wide lock switch in systray
Aug 22 19:47:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I never really checked since I despise portrait and thus have locked my system to portrait (except of dialer)
Aug 22 19:48:22 <DocScrutinizer05> locked my system to landscape, sorry
Aug 22 19:49:10 <DocScrutinizer05> for this there's a gconf-key
Aug 22 19:50:18 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#no_autorotating
Aug 22 19:50:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I never bothered about the white(/black)list
Aug 22 19:59:04 <Sicelo> thanks DocScrutinizer05. :)
Aug 22 19:59:38 <Sicelo> just want to test it and see .. i don't know where exactly i could put that forcedrotation in gconf
Aug 22 20:14:17 <Sicelo> aha ... goes into transitions.ini
Aug 22 20:16:07 <Sicelo> i read many times people say N900 was incomplete ... looking at transitions for example makes you wonder ... i don't remember a phone with such nice transitions. or does one exist?
Aug 22 20:22:12 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly not
Aug 22 20:22:20 <Sicelo> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop#Blacklist.2FWhitelist DocScrutinizer05 <<< seems it was done
Aug 22 20:26:50 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe, nice. at least partially they implemented what I specified
Aug 22 20:34:52 <Sicelo> the yellow/amber notificaton blurb .. in the Hildon Style Guide shows blue blurb .. anyone knows how to do this?
Aug 22 20:37:46 <DocScrutinizer05> theme?
Aug 22 20:39:09 <DocScrutinizer05> I think theme-ing is one of the most cumbersome topics with maemo
Aug 22 20:40:06 * DocScrutinizer05 would love to actually increase font PT for some of the more tiny fonts meanwhile
Aug 22 20:40:18 <DocScrutinizer05> like the smaller font in call history
Aug 22 20:40:32 <DocScrutinizer05> which is sort of an insult
Aug 22 20:41:06 <DocScrutinizer05> or should I say assault
Aug 22 20:42:25 <Sicelo> you mean the font that shows time & date?
Aug 22 20:42:47 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, that nasty one
Aug 22 20:43:31 <DocScrutinizer05> you know, I meanwhile need glasses to look to stuff closer than an arm's length
Aug 22 20:43:43 <Sicelo> :)
Aug 22 20:44:02 <Sicelo> for me the size is good .. but yes, it would be nice to have it adjustable
Aug 22 20:44:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and at times it gets gard to read that small font in that distance
Aug 22 20:44:27 <DocScrutinizer05> hard*
Aug 22 20:45:49 <Sicelo> i wonder if that's controlled by some css perhaps? like on the Conversations application ... some have tweaked the CSS there to change the locations of the timestamps and other information on the conversations view 
Aug 22 20:46:12 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, most likely this should work
Aug 22 20:47:59 <DocScrutinizer05> if you find something, please let me know
Aug 22 20:48:22 <DocScrutinizer05> since it's *really* annoying
Aug 22 20:53:54 <Sicelo> regarding forced rotation .. i have recently found myself having to use Pidgin a lot, and wouldn't mind using it in portrait
Aug 22 20:57:34 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, pidgin is one of the apps genuinely designed for portrait. Which is prolly the main reason I always disliked it
Aug 22 21:03:04 <Sicelo> landscape you mean? :)
Aug 22 21:13:25 <Sicelo> anyway, with forced rotation looks like pidgin is pretty usable .. if only the portrait keyboard was very useable too :)
Aug 22 21:16:20 <stryngs> To those who might have been offended by the unmasking a couple days ago; sorry about that.  Things spun out of control somewhat.  Won't do it on the freenode again.
Aug 22 22:17:06 <DocScrutinizer05> no, portrait I meant, for pidgin
Aug 22 22:17:37 <DocScrutinizer05> stryngs: huh?
Aug 22 22:17:59 <Pali> hi, do you have any experiences with assigning CVE numbers?
Aug 22 22:19:43 <Pali> per http://www.debian.org/security/faq#discover and http://www.debian.org/security/faq#cveget debian security team can verify and coordinate security problems across distributions
Aug 22 22:21:12 <stryngs> Heh
Aug 22 22:21:16 <stryngs> Funny u mention that pali
Aug 22 22:21:25 <stryngs> I'm going to be publicly disclosing something CVE worthy here soon
Aug 22 22:22:36 <Pali> I sent email to debian security team, so will see what happens...
Aug 22 22:23:00 <stryngs> For what Pali?
Aug 22 22:24:11 <bencoh> Pali: maybe sunweaver is
Aug 22 22:24:32 <bencoh> (or rather has* experience)
Aug 22 22:59:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: (blacklist) it's still a pity that those lists are actually single line keys in transitions.ini - this makes it almost impossible to handle stuff correctly and conveniently from apt/dpkg. It should be a single file (with the pathname of that file in maybe transitions.ini key blacklistfile=<full path name> and whitelistfile=<full path name>), and in that files there should be single line keys of (at least) two types: app=<appname>; 
Aug 22 22:59:53 <DocScrutinizer05> (windowtitle-or-whatever=<whatever>;) and(!) includefile=<full pathname to a file to include, or even shell pattern wildcards>
Aug 22 23:01:22 <DocScrutinizer05> this way you could specify in transitions: blacklistfile=/etc/rotation-blacklist-root.cfg
Aug 22 23:02:20 <DocScrutinizer05> and in /etc/rotation-blacklist-root.cfg you specify includefile=/etc/rotation.d/*.cfg
Aug 22 23:03:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and in /etc/rotation.d/ every app installs its own <appname>.cfg with content app=<appname>
Aug 22 23:05:53 <DocScrutinizer05> and a very simple config 'wizard' could rename foobar.cfg to foobar.cfg.disabled and vice versa, or even move the file from blacklist to whitelist, easily create new *.cfg files for arbitrary apps etc
Aug 22 23:14:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and probably the keys, instead of app=<appname>  should look like X-MAEMO-ROTATION=<allow|by-app|portrait|landscape>, and any other stuff being ignored. This way you could define includefile=/usr/share/apps/hildon/*.desktop.  Of course multiple includefile keys should be allowed
Aug 22 23:16:34 <bencoh> well ... from I gathered, the force-rotation "feature" was only meant as a workaround and applications were to be fixed
Aug 22 23:16:53 <bencoh> (for those that could be fixed)
Aug 22 23:16:57 <DocScrutinizer05> some can't get fixed
Aug 22 23:17:00 <bencoh> yeah
Aug 22 23:17:32 <bencoh> but those are mostly closed source, meaning either stock/nokia, or ovi
Aug 22 23:17:42 <DocScrutinizer05> or third party
Aug 22 23:17:52 <bencoh> yeah ovi/3rd-party
Aug 22 23:18:13 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, doesn't make much of a difference
Aug 22 23:19:13 <DocScrutinizer05> for the fixed apps you use X-MAEMO-ROTATION=by-app, which is also the default when no config for that app is existing in black/white-listing
Aug 22 23:20:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the rest ships a .desktop file with either of X-MAEMO-ROTATION=<allow|portrait|landscape> in it. Or a similar file for /etc/rotation.d/*
Aug 22 23:24:48 <DocScrutinizer05> the implementation is prolly rather simple - just a few dozen lines of code
Aug 22 23:32:43 <DocScrutinizer05> blacklistfile= and whitelistfile= are basically redundant then, could get unified to listfile=, and they are only valid during (and the only valid keys in} initial parsing of transitions.ini. They (it) could point to whatever file you like, even transitions.ini itself which causes a second parsing pass of transitions.ini in which those listfile= key gets ignored and only the includefile= and X-MAEMO-ROTATION= keys are searched for.
Aug 22 23:35:01 <DocScrutinizer05> each includefile= simply calls same parsing function recursively with the new file parameter
Aug 23 00:09:33 <antranigv> anyone has freepascalcompiler and/or Lazarus IDE installed on their n900? I wonder if you guys can send me the package, so I won't install/compile everything from zero, just the binaries, and the libs, and the tools, etc. (:
Aug 23 00:26:18 <Wizzup> antranigv: nor on my n900, no
Aug 23 00:26:29 <Wizzup> but I have arm versions of the compiler
Aug 23 01:20:55 <antranigv> Wizzup: can I get it somehow?
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