**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 02 02:59:58 2015 Sep 02 08:14:59 wish i had some SD cards here :P Sep 02 08:15:07 of course, all my cards are in storage Sep 02 08:15:09 grlmb :) Sep 02 08:46:39 hello, does anyone know a good dicitonary or translation app for the n900 ? - I already tried gTranslate but it doesn't work ... Sep 02 08:47:57 What do you mean exactly by it doesn't work? I just opened it with my device and seems to be in working order here. Sep 02 08:48:06 um Sep 02 08:48:15 you only want dict? Sep 02 08:48:30 you may try kcxlator Sep 02 08:48:56 https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/kcxlator/ Sep 02 08:50:13 sorry, I am guest63813 Sep 02 08:50:26 I made an error at the login Sep 02 09:11:54 KotCzarny: I installed it. But I don't really understand it ... i tipped: kcxlator.sh f.xv2 hello -> I expected some output ... additionally I have no clue for which langugage it is for Sep 02 09:12:11 english Sep 02 09:12:28 and its a thesaurus Sep 02 09:12:33 ie. dictionary Sep 02 09:12:52 Ras_Older: It doesn't work means: Everytime I put in a word it says " please enter valid text" Sep 02 09:13:39 axon: if you start it without params it will go into interactive mode Sep 02 09:13:59 otherwise it should just print out word definition into terminal Sep 02 09:14:19 KotCzarny: yes, I tried but than I have a lot of "???" signs everytiem I put in a word Sep 02 09:14:35 I only need a german bulgarian translation tool Sep 02 09:14:40 dicitonary Sep 02 09:14:45 *dicitonary Sep 02 09:14:50 ahm Sep 02 09:14:54 dont have Sep 02 09:15:07 i have english-german tho Sep 02 09:15:23 who needs that? Sep 02 09:15:27 me Sep 02 09:15:28 :) Sep 02 09:15:28 :-P Sep 02 09:17:47 I mean there are a lot of "word-lists" in THE famous internet ... BUT I have trouble to put in the kyrillic letters via my english keyboard layout (google translator has a nice way to work around that by interpreting latincharacters as cyrillic if they sound similar ...) and additionally I don't know a tool to load and browse those lists ... Sep 02 09:18:09 axon, use on screen keyboard? Sep 02 09:19:02 good idea - Sep 02 09:19:21 perhaps I am going to write a small application to browse wordlists ... Sep 02 09:20:56 does anyone has any idea about the gtranslate bug? - it doesn't seem to be new [http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56989] ... Sep 02 09:22:46 google changes its interface often Sep 02 09:29:27 @KotCzarny: I found something: Sep 02 09:29:35 >>> import goslate Sep 02 09:29:35 >>> gs=goslate.Goslate() Sep 02 09:29:35 >>> print gs.translate("hello world","bg") Sep 02 09:29:35 Здравей Свят Sep 02 09:29:56 so there is a good python implementation for google translate Sep 02 09:30:27 now I will try to make it run on my n900 Sep 02 12:33:26 LOL http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/02/plasma-desktoppJ1947.png Sep 02 12:34:04 ? Sep 02 12:34:07 some guys beaten it from version 1.4+qt3 to 1.9+Qt5 Sep 02 12:34:36 neat Sep 02 12:34:38 also see "Deutsche Uebersetzung:" Sep 02 12:34:54 (plus a lot of other stuff not mentioned there) Sep 02 12:37:43 (C)2008 ;-P Sep 02 12:38:22 * DocScrutinizer05 feels a tiny bit flattered that this software *still* gets maintained Sep 02 12:38:24 opensource finds a way Sep 02 12:38:46 in my book still the greatest SIP softphone ever Sep 02 12:39:13 well, NOW it should really be a nobrainer porting it to maemo, eh? Sep 02 12:39:30 I mean, Qt5, c'mon Sep 02 12:39:47 moin :) Sep 02 12:39:53 moin :) Sep 02 12:40:41 http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=network%3Atelephony&package=twinkle http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=twinkle Sep 02 12:41:21 just the "fake" project website (dolezil.info) annoys me Sep 02 12:43:21 hello has anyone experience with installing new python version on the n900? Sep 02 12:51:51 LOL again @ http://paste.opensuse.org/42355518 Sep 02 12:55:49 THAT is a decent audio settings implementation (note "other device") http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/02/plasma-desktopyK1947.png Sep 02 12:56:18 "other device" means you can provide your own ALSA device description to your liking Sep 02 12:57:11 btw audio works OOTB on my PA-infested system here Sep 02 13:01:47 (port to maemo) maybe basing the 1.9 Qt5 port on http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/opensuse/13.2/armv7hl/armv7hl/twinkle-1.4.2-28.1.1.armv7hl.html might help Sep 02 13:02:47 axon: http://maemo.org/packages/ search for "python" Sep 02 13:03:27 python 2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 3 all there Sep 02 13:03:42 3.2, 3.4 Sep 02 13:03:59 http://maemo.org/packages/view/python3.4/ Sep 02 13:05:33 ("other device" -- courtesy DocScrutinizer05 ;D ) Sep 02 13:09:58 can anyone here post me a fixed sources.list so i do not have to type everything out? Sep 02 13:10:15 with the maemo.muarf.org repos in there? Sep 02 13:10:29 the application catalog links there do not work for me for some reason Sep 02 13:10:35 danke nils Sep 02 13:11:30 :) Sep 02 13:25:53 DocScrutinizer05: I found python2.7 as you said. - how do I add "Fremantle Extras-devel free armel" to my repositories? Sep 02 13:26:35 axon: https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Sep 02 13:27:21 Oh damn sorry that one https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel :D Sep 02 13:38:21 ~catalogs Sep 02 13:38:40 ~extras-devel Sep 02 13:38:41 well, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Sep 02 13:39:06 I added the new catalogues -> but I don't find the python2.7 packacke - eventhough I see lots of new packages ... Sep 02 13:39:54 and according to http://maemo.org/packages/ it should be in there ... Sep 02 13:43:47 maybe not in group "user" Sep 02 13:48:19 in HAM menu click 'settings', checkmark "show all packages" Sep 02 13:50:31 I dont have such a menu in my application manager : only refresh, log and application catalogues ... Sep 02 13:50:43 ummm Sep 02 13:51:26 get a decent HAM, see red-pill-mode too maybe Sep 02 13:51:39 install CSSU Sep 02 13:51:42 ~cssu Sep 02 13:51:42 it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Sep 02 13:51:52 get Sep 02 13:51:57 ~speedyham Sep 02 13:51:57 rumour has it, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Sep 02 13:52:52 * DocScrutinizer05 renames speedyham to lightningham Sep 02 13:53:19 axon: for python etc you also can use apt-get Sep 02 13:53:34 actually that's the preferred method Sep 02 13:54:20 just _never_ do apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade Sep 02 13:55:49 for some reason it doesn't use the same repositories as the application manager Sep 02 13:55:52 ... Sep 02 14:05:35 I can finally see python2.7 vis apt-cache - but when i try to install it I get a "unmet dependecies" error : mime-support is not installable ... Sep 02 14:15:06 yes, application manager using his own (additional) settings on top of usual apt lists Sep 02 14:15:52 its* Sep 02 14:16:46 well, check which mime-support it needs and find it Sep 02 14:17:43 DocScrutinizer05: I tried my best, but it's a little hard, that I have to face unmet dependencies ... does it mean I am doing it wrong? Sep 02 14:19:45 ~maemo-repos Sep 02 14:19:45 i heard maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Sep 02 14:19:49 erlehmann: ^ Sep 02 14:20:55 axon you need to update the sources list Sep 02 14:21:06 did you delete the nokia repositories? Sep 02 14:21:14 you mean ! apt-get update ? Sep 02 14:21:17 I did that Sep 02 14:21:34 no Sep 02 14:21:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Sep 02 14:21:57 axon your sources list probably did include downloads.maemo.nokia.com entries Sep 02 14:22:16 prefix them with “http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/” Sep 02 14:22:28 so the lines are Sep 02 14:22:29 deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ Sep 02 14:22:35 and Sep 02 14:22:36 deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ Sep 02 14:22:59 then apt-get update Sep 02 14:23:05 and look out if there are any errors Sep 02 14:23:40 there is /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ in which there are more files Sep 02 14:23:48 format is like debian Sep 02 14:23:59 I know Sep 02 14:24:13 that's where I would copy what you just send me Sep 02 14:24:36 my sources list looks like this: Sep 02 14:24:40 deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free Sep 02 14:24:40 deb http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/ fremantle free non-free Sep 02 14:24:40 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free Sep 02 14:24:40 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Sep 02 14:25:24 and now: Sep 02 14:25:42 the new one: Sep 02 14:25:46 deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free Sep 02 14:25:46 deb http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/ fremantle free non-free Sep 02 14:25:46 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free Sep 02 14:25:46 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Sep 02 14:25:46 deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ Sep 02 14:25:46 deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ Sep 02 14:27:06 axon do apt-get update Sep 02 14:27:09 and then try to install again Sep 02 14:27:12 and see if it works Sep 02 14:27:28 I do Sep 02 14:27:34 it right now Sep 02 14:27:50 :) Sep 02 14:28:59 he says keyexpired Sep 02 14:30:00 that is probably microsofts fault Sep 02 14:30:10 neverless he installed mime-support and is currently installing python2.7 Sep 02 14:30:18 Danke Nils! Sep 02 14:30:43 :) Sep 02 14:49:18 hey guys, I'm trying to get access to raw data from the accelerometer on the N900, is there a C/C++ lib or something I can use ? Sep 02 14:53:56 Thanks to everybody who supported me: Just to let you know: It seems to me that the easiest way to access the easiest way to use google_translate for a dictionary is the goslate python library Sep 02 15:04:56 I even managed it to write a little script which is converting between cyrllic and latin letters ... Sep 02 15:06:26 axon publish it Sep 02 15:09:25 erlehmann, I have the problem that i don't use the exact right transcription for some letters ... for example the transcription "з" is "z" and since it sounds like "s" i putted it on s ... Sep 02 15:09:42 and there are many of this little things Sep 02 15:10:05 but I promise you I do it as soon as I finished my thesis ... Sep 02 15:10:28 until than I just use it as a quick tool to learn and to look up some words Sep 02 15:11:15 it's effective for me - but might be annoying for somebody who is used to the real system ... Sep 02 15:11:19 axon there are transliteration libraries Sep 02 15:20:37 :) Sep 02 15:20:39 iconv Sep 02 15:21:12 erlehmann, yes I knew them already - I checked them again - they are ok. Once I have time I am going to integrate them into my program ... Sep 02 15:23:18 KotCzarny it can do transliteration? Sep 02 15:23:21 If the string //TRANSLIT is appended to to-encoding, characters Sep 02 15:23:22 being converted are transliterated when needed and possible. Sep 02 15:23:50 was that a question? Sep 02 15:24:52 KotCzarny i answered it myself! Sep 02 15:27:43 ; echo Æther Kloß Tütenwein Ⓐ ① →| iconv -f UTF-8 -t ASCII//TRANSLIT Sep 02 15:27:43 AEther Kloss Tuetenwein (A) (1) -> Sep 02 15:50:58 Jack64: http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers maybe Sep 02 15:51:34 there is accelerometer app in repos Sep 02 15:51:37 check the source Sep 02 15:54:47 bencoh: I found https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_accelerometer too Sep 02 15:55:08 it's not calibrated though, I have to offset the values in my code manually Sep 02 15:55:17 and I think it's not sensitive enough to measure what I want Sep 02 15:58:06 also, you can try app with the name 'level' Sep 02 15:58:27 and the one i was talking earlier is named 'accdisplay' Sep 02 15:59:59 KotCzarny: thanks. It's prolly not gonna work for my purposes tho Sep 02 16:00:13 * Jack64 needs a more sensitive accelerometer Sep 02 16:00:20 check the accdisplay one Sep 02 16:01:15 * Jack64 checks Sep 02 16:04:31 what are you trying to do? Sep 02 16:05:03 blow stuff up? Sep 02 16:05:33 hehe Sep 02 16:05:47 http://www.news.gatech.edu/2011/10/17/georgia-tech-turns-iphone-spiphone Sep 02 16:05:59 trying to see if this is feasible on the N900's hardware Sep 02 16:06:12 since coding for it is pretty straightforward Sep 02 16:06:47 hmm Sep 02 16:06:54 n900 is held differently Sep 02 16:06:57 a bit Sep 02 16:07:11 I know, but this depends on the phone being set on the table next to the keyboard Sep 02 16:07:16 and "feels" keystrokes Sep 02 16:07:24 then guesses where the user hit the key Sep 02 16:07:41 ahm Sep 02 16:07:54 they yeah, could be too thick Sep 02 16:07:56 I doubt it'd work, but ... Sep 02 16:08:30 yea preliminary testing for variation didn't bode well Sep 02 16:08:44 might be too thick yes Sep 02 17:09:49 Pali: trying to boot mainline on n900, got a uImage, and set the right bootmenu Sep 02 17:09:53 It boots, but fails to find the root Sep 02 17:10:08 I am aware that the emmc and sd card are swapped in the sense that mmcblk0 is the sd card Sep 02 17:11:24 wizzup, wasnt it an issue even with maemo kernel that it doesnt find mmc to boot and just needs initrd? Sep 02 17:11:46 I do not know - is that the case? Sep 02 17:11:49 That would explain a lot Sep 02 17:11:55 dont know if its timing issue or some trigger not happening in kernel time Sep 02 17:12:07 I did set rootdelay=10 Sep 02 17:12:14 But it sees the card long before that Sep 02 17:12:20 Maybe I should try with an initrd then Sep 02 17:13:56 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/6/148 Sep 02 17:14:11 partly related but different issue Sep 02 17:15:09 or maybe the same Sep 02 17:16:07 So with a simple busybox initrd you think mounting mmc will work? Sep 02 17:16:24 I mean, the patch seems to hint at larger problems Sep 02 17:16:41 disclaimer: i dont have second n900 to fool around (its my main phone) Sep 02 17:16:58 It is useful feedback already Sep 02 17:20:35 Pali: the root is on the u-sdcard Sep 02 17:23:44 hurr Sep 02 17:23:46 ext4 is a module Sep 02 17:23:52 Let's see what happens if it is not a module... Sep 02 17:24:47 (( deb http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/ fremantle free non-free)) I highly doubt this is supposed to be there Sep 02 17:37:38 Nope - with ext4 enabled in the kernel is still cannot mount the rootfs Sep 02 17:48:40 wizzup, make basic initrd then just investigate Sep 02 17:49:13 Yes - I will Sep 02 17:49:16 Wizzup: then you prolly want diagnostic output from kernel Sep 02 17:49:50 usb eth + telnetd Sep 02 17:57:12 for kernel debug? Sep 02 17:58:14 maybe kernel knows about sth like console=ttyUSB though I doubt it Sep 02 17:59:11 anyway the kernel should know framebuffer. KP does Sep 02 18:02:13 maemo kernel has no initrd, maybe you should be able to make recent kernel to boot straight from bzimage into final root as well? Sep 02 18:21:19 ok, I can get to a shell with an uInitrd + watchdog modules... Sep 02 18:23:27 but cannot type / or any number :< Sep 02 18:23:50 and thats why usb-eth + telnetd is nice Sep 02 18:24:11 connect usb keyboard? Sep 02 18:24:22 hmm Sep 02 18:24:25 is it in hostmode atm? Sep 02 18:24:40 maybe Sep 02 18:25:05 if not, add some echo > /sys/... to initrd Sep 02 18:25:53 do you know how to toggle it? Sep 02 18:25:55 will google if not Sep 02 18:25:59 just wanted to quickly see if I Can do it Sep 02 18:26:20 just connect keyboard and see Sep 02 18:26:24 it's the quickest test Sep 02 18:26:32 (didn't work) Sep 02 18:26:34 https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Sep 02 18:26:52 no magic commands Sep 02 18:26:57 ~hen Sep 02 18:26:58 hmm... hen is hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode Sep 02 18:26:59 (this is mainline kernel btw) Sep 02 18:27:54 alright. will continue tomorrow Sep 02 18:30:56 ~hostmode Sep 02 18:30:57 [hostmode] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ, or see ~hostmode-powered Sep 02 18:34:36 ~sb Sep 02 18:34:37 extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Sep 02 18:37:45 KotCzarny: hostmode will not work in stock kernel and for sure not during kernel init Sep 02 18:39:41 and kernel also has no telnetd built in, and even worse it couldn't start it when it fails to mount rootfs Sep 02 18:40:11 doc, i suggested telnetd because he used busybox in initrd anyway Sep 02 18:40:42 please check kernel cmdline parameters, particularly 'conx Sep 02 18:40:43 also, was the usbhost mode refused by kernel people? Sep 02 18:40:51 console= Sep 02 18:41:18 it would be quite nice feature in mainline Sep 02 18:42:07 yes, hostmode on N900 is a *terrible* hack. I know since I invented it Sep 02 18:42:29 pity Sep 02 18:42:47 I would argue when any fools would want to get it into mainline Sep 02 18:43:13 no way to tidy it ? Sep 02 18:43:37 no Sep 02 18:44:18 I made that wok despite 'everybody else' said it can't get done Sep 02 18:44:23 can it be made into universal patch? Sep 02 18:44:29 no Sep 02 18:44:44 N900 hw fsckd up Sep 02 18:45:17 linux kernel has some hw quirks fixups anyway Sep 02 18:45:24 h-e-n is a hack and a botch and will always be Sep 02 18:45:58 nobody wants or needs it in mainline Sep 02 18:46:15 but you are using it without adverse efect to the device Sep 02 18:47:10 yes, except it basically messes up USB completely Sep 02 18:47:27 and doesn't work without user interaction Sep 02 18:48:23 it's basically a USB hostmode *emulation* Sep 02 18:48:30 :) Sep 02 18:48:35 and a pretty poor one too Sep 02 18:48:47 but works and is good enough? Sep 02 18:49:17 it's as good as it gets on defect-by-design hardware Sep 02 18:50:14 nokia said "it can't get done", I answered "and nevertheless I'll do it" Sep 02 18:50:22 :) Sep 02 18:50:43 nokia was right Sep 02 18:50:51 yeah but Sep 02 18:50:58 it works kinda fine Sep 02 18:51:05 it works perfectly fine if you add a usb hub Sep 02 18:51:20 nest I could come up with was this botch that needs manual activation ans speed selection Sep 02 18:51:37 best* Sep 02 18:52:20 and a massively patched kernel Sep 02 18:54:04 no matter it works 'just fine' in everyday usage, it's a dirty sick hack :) Sep 02 18:55:32 everything is a hack Sep 02 18:55:46 kerio: indeed with a hub it works almost perfect, since the hub provides power and most importantlu does speed conversion between USB2, 1.1, 1.0 Sep 02 18:58:19 ooh btw ~4 years after project H-E-N finish it's prolly about time to share all those donations between all invoved developers :) Sep 02 18:59:01 let's see, that must have been ~200 bucks, divided between 15 people involved... Sep 02 18:59:14 few beers at the next maemo party? Sep 02 18:59:33 meh, I'll pay the next drink :D Sep 02 18:59:46 yep Sep 02 19:04:39 btw start of next week I'll order the N900 needed for Neo900 complete devices. So still a few days left to place your preorder if you're intereted to be one of those who definitely get a complete device incl case and all Sep 02 19:05:52 PP supposed to be working again at Friday the latest, so there's a whole weekend still Sep 02 19:39:39 DocScrutinizer51: Any estimation on how many people ordered a Neo900 so far? Sep 02 19:40:38 209psome Sep 02 19:41:01 200 even Sep 02 19:41:22 maybe 222 ;) Sep 02 19:41:22 :/ Sep 02 19:41:27 price is a killer Sep 02 19:41:37 wait Sep 02 19:41:40 nah Sep 02 19:41:43 300 Sep 02 19:42:45 180 complete, 110 NeoN Sep 02 19:43:10 somesuch Sep 02 19:44:39 (price) well, people are paying a 700 bucks for a cheesy mainstream mass market product like iPhone Sep 02 19:45:13 even N900 was around 600 bucks new IIRC Sep 02 19:45:37 not me Sep 02 19:45:43 and not most geeks Sep 02 19:45:52 meanwhile Euro lost value Sep 02 19:45:55 s/geeks/hackers/ Sep 02 19:46:00 people paying for iphones are usually technology illiterate Sep 02 19:46:18 so what? Sep 02 19:46:35 so most money stuffed people dont bother with hacking Sep 02 19:46:47 and hackers are hackers because they have to get by with limited resources Sep 02 19:46:48 you say geeks want cheap crappy stuff? Sep 02 19:46:52 no Sep 02 19:47:01 i say geeks usually have limited resources Sep 02 19:47:13 I can't help that Sep 02 19:47:19 me neither Sep 02 19:47:30 and thats why we have iphones Sep 02 19:47:43 aha Sep 02 19:47:51 I dont Sep 02 19:47:55 me neither Sep 02 19:48:55 whatever. furile discussion. I'd love to sell that device cheaper, alas I can"t Sep 02 19:50:56 users asked for 1GB RAM - kajink another 50 bucks plus. Asked for 64GB eMMC - kajink 40 buck plus Sep 02 19:51:43 NFC: another 50 bucks Sep 02 19:51:54 that's not the most expensive part anyway, iirc Sep 02 19:51:58 i wonder if it could be made as a modular device Sep 02 19:52:03 dual SIM 20 bucks Sep 02 19:52:26 no, modular is a hoax Sep 02 19:52:38 there was that one project Sep 02 19:52:51 meh Sep 02 19:53:28 * DocScrutinizer51 outright refuses to discuss ara a billionth time Sep 02 19:53:38 https://phonebloks.com/en Sep 02 19:53:42 no, not ara Sep 02 19:54:07 *sigh* Sep 02 19:55:01 ara == bloks Sep 02 19:55:05 ahm Sep 02 19:55:18 i knew it before it became ara Sep 02 19:55:23 didnt follow Sep 02 19:59:45 bencoh: the most expensive part clearly is the modem Sep 02 19:59:56 it's ~100 bucks Sep 02 20:00:20 R&D _not_ included Sep 02 20:00:56 https://developer.gemalto.com/threads/phs8-atscsl-customer-sim-lock-permit-all-lock Sep 02 20:06:54 https://developer.gemalto.com/threads/pls8-dual-sim-volte Sep 02 20:08:15 R&D is about finding and fixing/handling stuff like ^^^ Sep 02 20:08:32 which takes time, and time is money Sep 02 20:09:17 yeah I was referring to R&D (as the "most expensive part" ;) Sep 02 20:10:13 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1474968#post1474968 Sep 02 20:12:52 it's really 'fun'¡ to plan with bleeding-edge components that are not even released yet and whose specs change inadvertently - however we need to plan with those bleeding edge components or we will probably not be able to source them at time of production. That's EE daily WTF you need to deal with when you do hw design Sep 02 20:14:37 see wg7351 which we possibly might need to drop and replace it with a wiLink8 series module since it's already starting to get phased out Sep 02 20:15:07 WiLink8 is nice, except for the drivers etc Sep 02 20:15:38 once there are FOSS drivers, the hardware is obsolete. It's really a nasty game Sep 02 20:16:54 *if* we were a veritable player in that game, like we'd plan to source a few 100k of chips, we could do better Sep 02 20:17:43 for a nobody like Neo900 you have to be grateful when you get answers to your emails Sep 02 20:18:25 even for answers like "MOQ:2000; lead time: 20 weeks" Sep 02 20:21:19 and such answer still isn't a binding offer yet. When you want to get the stuff, you as well could get a terse email "sorry Sir, we meant 'MOQ:20000, lead time: 20 months'. Our mistake, sorry for the inconvenience" Sep 02 20:22:04 that's what risk parts sourcing and securing is all about Sep 02 20:24:17 btw can you read stuff like https://developer.gemalto.com/threads/phs8-atscsl-customer-sim-lock-permit-all-lock or does it need a log-in to even read it? Sep 02 20:24:31 it opened fine Sep 02 20:24:36 :-) ta Sep 02 23:03:59 kerio: (charging, ENUM) I guess I might have been wrong - connecting N900 to a standard "output" (without data connectivity) of a USB Ampere meter shows it's starting to charge with ~700mA. It also has detected and is signaling charging state Sep 02 23:06:19 hmmmmm Sep 02 23:06:27 DocScrutinizer05 btw, my n900 routinely takes its time to update battery status Sep 02 23:06:29 IroN900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger Sep 02 23:06:30 1 Sep 02 23:06:41 like, when it is empty and then i charge it and take it off the charger Sep 02 23:06:48 it does know then that it charges or not Sep 02 23:07:04 but … it takes minutes to update the battery meter from red to green Sep 02 23:07:13 duh! Sep 02 23:07:31 stock BME? Sep 02 23:08:11 hmmm! Sep 02 23:08:17 may be the reason that it isn't! Sep 02 23:08:35 i will look into it Sep 02 23:09:45 mine is showing animation during charging and when I unplug it, it usually shows quite a bit higher charge than before I plugged it in and charging started - even when charging was a few minutes only Sep 02 23:10:47 of course when it finishes charging, the animation stops and a full green battery icon is shown instead Sep 02 23:11:02 even when I don't unplug Sep 02 23:11:50 there are 8 "bars" aka green levels of battery that are sequentially shown in anim Sep 02 23:11:51 how far is the effort to replace non-free components? Sep 02 23:12:26 good question Sep 02 23:12:31 ~closed Sep 02 23:12:31 closed is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900 Sep 02 23:12:42 ~fptf Sep 02 23:12:43 fptf is probably the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 Sep 02 23:16:04 thx Sep 02 23:17:34 btw, is it possible to be in irc with telepathy-idle without getting a notification for every single message? Sep 02 23:17:41 sorry I got no better answer Sep 02 23:27:56 kerio: nope, again wrong (about being wrong) - actually when D+- isn't shorted then the N900 does not charge *at all* Sep 02 23:28:44 iw akes up from screenlock on unplug bot pretends to not even recognize plugin resp applying 5V VBUS Sep 02 23:29:01 it wakes* Sep 02 23:29:09 but* Sep 02 23:30:15 the 100mA max are prolly only when you boot up the device from power-off by plugging in the charger with no D+- short Sep 02 23:30:35 and maybe only until linux and BME are started Sep 02 23:31:50 also the wakeup on unplug is not really reliable, only happens sometimes Sep 02 23:33:02 pretty weird Sep 02 23:36:24 * DocScrutinizer05 needs a decent static USB analyzer Sep 02 23:37:26 sth like those old TAE phone jack testers Sep 02 23:38:45 * DocScrutinizer05 starts to doubt if this universal power supply actually has open circuit D+- on the USB jack Sep 02 23:43:50 and then we have those 9V USB chargers with active circuitry... and it will also short out D+- ... Sep 02 23:46:06 hmmm come to think of it, how do they work... wondering if it treats USB as half duplex during charge negotiation so regular 5V USB will charge fine Sep 02 23:55:38