**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 06 02:59:58 2015 Sep 06 03:00:15 with the fsck, the reason I did that is because the mount after not unmounting properly would itself take a long time (probably about as long as the fsck) Sep 06 03:00:46 but I think it stops sending ticks to the watchdog during mount, so it would usually reboot during that. Sep 06 03:00:48 Maxdamantus: Okay. So without breakign this script down, line by line. In essence, you have modified an n900 you have, and you currently use that script, in place of /sbin/preinit; and in doing so, your whole filesystem is on the eMMC versus the horrible and current stock nokia way? Sep 06 03:01:15 stryngs: yes. Sep 06 03:01:26 It's the phone I normally carry around with me. Sep 06 03:01:27 Maxdamantus: Okay, so with that thought; how did you get the egg before the chicken? Sep 06 03:01:43 Maxdamantus: i.e. What steps did you take place to copy over the files to eMMC? Sep 06 03:01:53 Maxdamantus: if I threw that on my n900 right now; it wouldnt boot afaik Sep 06 03:02:01 Maxdamantus: because I haven't done your prep steps Sep 06 03:02:14 Yes, you should already have a way to boot into it and modify things. Sep 06 03:02:16 Maxdamantus: You had to, afaik, at some point, copied over files. Sep 06 03:02:35 The easiest way to do that would be using some "recovery OS" someone made somewhere, but that requires a computer when you want to use it. Sep 06 03:03:02 Maxdamantus: Right, but your method, would take only a 'one-time' setup with a computer, no? Sep 06 03:03:11 I also have a 3.14 kernel I can boot with a decent console map built in, so I can modify things from that too. Sep 06 03:03:15 Maxdamantus: I say this, because no matter what, 'flashing' takes a computer as well. Sep 06 03:03:16 Yes. Sep 06 03:03:26 Maxdamantus: Yer rocking 3x on the n900? Sep 06 03:03:48 Not usually. I just have that as my rescue kernel. Sep 06 03:03:59 Maxdamantus: Holy crap dude. Sep 06 03:04:06 Maxdamantus: Why is your knowledge not public!? Sep 06 03:04:10 It is. Sep 06 03:04:15 Maxdamantus: Where? Sep 06 03:04:25 You can build Linux 4 from Linus' repository and boot it on the N900. Sep 06 03:04:39 make defconfig_rx51 Sep 06 03:04:52 Maxdamantus: nonononono, I mean on maemo.org, the spot "most folk" go to for "knowledge". Not the hackers who seek elsewhere... Sep 06 03:05:20 Maxdamantus: This is what I'm getting at with my proposal. We take kickass ideas, like yours, VOTE on the best course of action, and then move towards it. Sep 06 03:05:33 Maxdamantus: It would seem, that you have abundant knowledge that would truly help this community. Sep 06 03:06:25 Maxdamantus: Let me ask this. Would you be able to describe from a fresh flash, how to move towards your current setup? Sep 06 03:06:45 Maxdamantus: And I don't necessarily mean here on chat, feel free to post on the thread. Sep 06 03:07:01 Maxdamantus: If you have the knowledge, and can take sometime to jot it down. it would really help out =) Sep 06 03:07:13 * stryngs blinks like Bambi. Sep 06 03:07:17 No. It's all ad-hoc and relies on the person doing it understanding how things work. Sep 06 03:07:31 Maxdamantus: I can script for that and help the enduser. Sep 06 03:07:42 Maxdamantus: if this, then, else, else else else, etc... Sep 06 03:07:50 Maxdamantus: I just require a little bit of help is all =) Sep 06 03:07:59 Maxdamantus: But if nobody is willing to try.... =/ Sep 06 03:08:12 But you can't really describe every scenario. Sep 06 03:08:25 What if someone's system randomly stops booting? Sep 06 03:08:40 Maxdamantus: Then they did something to cause it. Sep 06 03:08:48 Maxdamantus: Things don't just happen. Sep 06 03:08:53 If the person already understands the extra stuff he/she has added, he/she could hack around to try to fix it. Sep 06 03:09:01 That's pretty much the state my system is in. Sep 06 03:09:09 Maxdamantus: A a normal "unified maemo" user, won't just do those random things. And if they do, then they are prolly a 'power-user' of sorts. Sep 06 03:10:32 Maxdamantus: Well, it's late here, and I want to continue repackaging a couple things I've got. Please... Take some time and think about what I've asked. If you find it in your heart to help out in anyway, it would really be appreciated; and not just by me. Sep 06 03:10:40 * stryngs tips his hat towards Maxdamantus Sep 06 03:31:49 Maxdamantus: Wait, you have linux 3.x/4.x working on Maemo? I thought that a lot of stuff would need to be recompiled for that. It would be a great upgrade if we could roll that into stryngs work. We could use btrfs then too. Sep 06 03:32:00 ^^ Sep 06 03:32:07 No, not on Maemo. Sep 06 03:32:26 Oh, I misunderstood then. Sep 06 03:32:29 Maxdamantus: Can you use the phone on your n900? make textmessages, etc..? Sep 06 03:32:35 You can obviously run the busybox etc programs on the rootfs, which is sufficient as a rescue system. Sep 06 03:33:34 Though I think the aim of the separate n900 branch is kind of to be able to run Maemo pretty much as-is. Sep 06 03:33:45 but I haven't really tried that much. Sep 06 03:34:13 Right. I wonder if we could get the latest in the 2.6.x branch though. Sep 06 03:34:16 stryngs: I normally use my phone as normal, using a 2.6.28 kernel. Sep 06 03:34:48 Though I've been able to send/receive text messages using ofono on a 3.14 mainstream kernel. Sep 06 03:35:06 (in a normal Debian system) Sep 06 03:35:45 It was just using the example scripts that came with ofonod, didn't have a fancy UI. Sep 06 03:36:03 Supposedly you should be able to use empathy or something, but that seemed too complicated to set up. Sep 06 03:36:14 I would leave major kernel upgrades to the people trying to build Maemo from scratch. The unification could contribute to that sort of complete rebuild too. Sep 06 03:36:24 I see a lot of enthusiasm and excitement for leete new kernels and swapping around files between NAND, eMMC and possibly even uSD. I'm happy with the way my phone works and I really don't care which kernel runs on it and where the files get stored Sep 06 03:36:47 I care which kernel runs mostly because I want to use btrfs. Sep 06 03:36:58 Same. Sep 06 03:37:29 It'd also be nice to run an up-to-date Debian system. Sep 06 03:38:26 I currently just have a separate root for that that I can chroot into. Sep 06 03:39:19 I notice I was able to run Firefox and Chromium from that with the Maemo graphics drivers, but that seemed to cause random reboots. Sep 06 03:47:33 So. quick poll, who ssh's into their n900? Sep 06 03:47:48 * Maxdamantus does. Sep 06 03:48:07 I do not atm. Sep 06 03:48:25 quick control poll, who's reading this but not going to respond to the other poll? Sep 06 03:48:36 Maxdamantus: How do you ssh in? usb or wifi? Sep 06 03:48:45 This is going somewhere, I promise Sep 06 03:49:14 ZetaR: Why don't ya? Sep 06 03:49:31 Usually WiFi. If I want to transfer stuff faster I'll plug it in using USB but I'll still initiate the transfer over WiFi. Sep 06 03:50:09 Maxdamantus: Interesting Sep 06 03:50:19 stryngs: I haven't found that I need it that much. Sep 06 03:50:22 Maxdamantus: Do you play with monitor mode on your n900? Sep 06 03:50:37 But I am not doing the sort of stuff that Maxdamantus is. Sep 06 03:50:48 Probably not, since I don't know what monitor mode is. Sep 06 03:50:57 Maxdamantus: Packet injection, via wifi Sep 06 03:51:09 Anyways, curious of ya'lls take on this: http://termbin.com/psc5 Sep 06 03:51:09 Ah, no. Sep 06 03:51:45 stryngs: If you are thinking of having sshd by default, IMO it should never be on by default. Though I guess it could be a default-off installer option. Sep 06 03:52:00 ZetaR: not at all. Sep 06 03:52:05 Okay. Sep 06 03:52:06 ZetaR: It's a tunnel program I wrote. Sep 06 03:52:20 ZetaR: I tired of having to push keys and type, so i made it icon clickable Sep 06 03:53:08 ZetaR: These are some of the things I'm trying to push with unification. Sep 06 03:53:12 ZetaR: Ease of Use.. Sep 06 03:53:42 If you are thinking of having sshd by default, you should provide a `passwd` tool that doesn't just use crypt(3) Sep 06 03:54:09 Maxdamantus: Way ahead of ya, and no, no sshd by default, but i do use crypt -m to change crypt(3) Sep 06 03:54:13 Try sshing in and using just the first 8 characters. Sep 06 03:54:18 (of your password) Sep 06 04:06:19 PasswordAuthentication no Sep 06 04:06:47 Yeah, you could do that too. Sep 06 04:10:56 you can't use other encryption since some programs don't know any other Sep 06 04:11:13 md5 works. Sep 06 04:11:16 we tried to fix that issue like 4 years ago and gave up Sep 06 04:11:50 chpasswd -m Sep 06 04:11:52 It works... Sep 06 04:12:13 aha, and which programs do work with such password? sudo? su? Sep 06 04:12:25 well...... Sep 06 04:12:26 I dunno Sep 06 04:12:28 I use sudser Sep 06 04:12:33 * stryngs tries Sep 06 04:12:33 tzz Sep 06 04:12:52 I haven't used either where they ask for a password. Sep 06 04:13:02 foo Sep 06 04:13:02 Nokia-N900:/root/drop/pwnies$ su Sep 06 04:13:02 su: must be suid to work properly Sep 06 04:13:11 hmm Sep 06 04:13:22 I just type `root`, which I think does something like `sudo gainroot`, which doesn't require a password for user. Sep 06 04:13:49 failwhale Sep 06 04:13:57 mine DOES Sep 06 04:14:26 ROOT password, not that idiotic user passowrd asking for getting root Sep 06 04:15:11 Just for gainroot, or for everything? Sep 06 04:15:27 for su Sep 06 04:15:32 I think Maemo uses sudo for a bunch of things. Sep 06 04:15:39 Ah, so not sudo. Sep 06 04:16:02 sudo itself never needs a password, it's +s Sep 06 04:16:16 that's the purpose of sudo Sep 06 04:16:30 sudo asks for a password if it's configured to. Sep 06 04:16:36 aha! Sep 06 04:16:40 guess what I did Sep 06 04:16:46 ~jrtools Sep 06 04:16:47 jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 06 04:18:31 # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot Sep 06 04:18:58 Right, so that's just for gainroot. Sep 06 04:19:19 if there's an exploit in any of the other things still not requiring passwords, then .. Sep 06 04:19:38 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/vim * Sep 06 04:20:07 modify any file, vim also lets you execute commands easily. Sep 06 04:20:27 sudo vim Sep 06 04:20:30 :!bash Sep 06 04:21:44 there are exploits Sep 06 04:22:21 but sudo vim is not allowed afaik Sep 06 04:22:54 Well, I didn't add that. Sep 06 04:23:14 Something else must've, and if you have vim installed I suspect you can do the same thing still. Sep 06 04:23:27 unless you've explicitly removed that. Sep 06 04:23:57 DocScrutinizer05: Hmm...... You've motivated me to create a new .deb =) Sep 06 04:24:12 http://paste.opensuse.org/38121768 Sep 06 04:24:15 DocScrutinizer05: sudo-on-off_1.0_armel.deb Sep 06 04:24:44 no vim Sep 06 04:24:52 DocScrutinizer05: look at /etc/sudoers Sep 06 04:24:58 and no vim in any of the other files in sudoers.d Sep 06 04:25:32 Seems to be part of `filebox.sudoers` Sep 06 04:25:39 * Maxdamantus thinks he knows what that is. Sep 06 04:26:00 WTF??? Sep 06 04:26:05 yes Sep 06 04:26:13 Yeah, that's an alternative file browser. Sep 06 04:26:33 it also sucks about as much as the osso one. Sep 06 04:26:39 DocScrutinizer05: Question for you. using chpasswd -m. You're saying this breaks things? Sep 06 04:26:42 * Maxdamantus will just uninstall it. Sep 06 04:27:29 it did when we checked. At least we checked if we could use any other password hashes in etc/passwd and it turned out some binaries had no support for others Sep 06 04:27:38 prolly messybox Sep 06 04:28:29 or even sudo itself Sep 06 04:28:35 dunno Sep 06 04:28:41 DocScrutinizer05: Interesting. So with your current method of invoking a password whenever something wants sudo. You're stuck with the 8 char issue, yes? Sep 06 04:28:42 sudo with a password works for me with md5. Sep 06 04:28:48 it's basically a nice-to-fix but no real problem Sep 06 04:29:30 after all what's the attack vector? Sep 06 04:29:51 somebody hacking the root password on a local xterm? Sep 06 04:30:27 there are huger flaws than simple 8char limit in password Sep 06 04:30:28 If you want to use sshd. Sep 06 04:30:42 (without authorized_keys) Sep 06 04:30:51 who want that? Sep 06 04:30:56 :-D Sep 06 04:31:14 ultra inconvenient and known to be not safe Sep 06 04:31:16 DocScrutinizer05: You've motivated me to create a new .deb =) Sep 06 04:31:30 DocScrutinizer05: It will unlock or lock the sudo part of the n900 =) Sep 06 04:31:45 oh my god!! Sep 06 04:32:02 DocScrutinizer05: i.e. Most of my icons use root, and so my system is unlocked by default. But now, with a click of the button, I can require a password for usage =),, and with a click of the button, turn it off. Sep 06 04:32:17 DocScrutinizer05: Remember, I play with pentest stuff, so having to type a password for each icon, is lame. Sep 06 04:32:26 DocScrutinizer05: Point being, good idea =) Sep 06 04:32:27 BWAHAHA you're kidding me, right? Sep 06 04:32:33 DocScrutinizer05: Nope. Sep 06 04:32:38 DocScrutinizer05: I hack with my n900 Sep 06 04:34:17 great, I thought I'll eventually get around to lock down HAM for good, so nobody can uninstall and reinstall rootsh. Now it seems I only need to install that great new deb pkg via HAM to make my efforts to lock down sudo gainroot futile Sep 06 04:35:04 on the click of an icon Sep 06 04:35:24 or filebox. Sep 06 04:35:24 DocScrutinizer05: bwhahaha =) Sep 06 04:35:50 DocScrutinizer05: It's still a good idea for my purposes =) Sep 06 04:36:06 DocScrutinizer05: All someone has to do, to trash my system, is click my root shell icon and p00f, they got root on da box. Sep 06 04:36:24 DocScrutinizer05: Not like "the man" is waiting to do so, but if i travel out of the country, it's a possibility Sep 06 04:36:37 DocScrutinizer05: Just never thought to lock it down, tbh. Sep 06 04:36:57 so yeah, pretty please make a package out of that so everybody can fuck theri device on the click of an icon Sep 06 04:38:20 DocScrutinizer05: I don't think it would fuck the device, not if done right. I've got to play with it, but I think it would work. Whether or not md5 is an issue, is a seperate discussion. Sep 06 04:38:30 i.e. Sep 06 04:40:03 http://termbin.com/ivzy Sep 06 04:40:06 From your work Sep 06 04:40:23 Interesting. Just realised VDQ actually stays across reboots. Sep 06 04:41:01 DocScrutinizer05: From your work, make a simple script, that ALWAYS boots to safe mode. Now, when a user wants to relax permissions for the current power cycle, they simply click an icon, this will relax permissions. Upon powerdown, permissions go back into effect. Sep 06 04:41:19 DocScrutinizer05: It'll be made clearer when I make it, but I'm gunna make it =) Sep 06 04:41:30 you should stop ircing while drincing Sep 06 04:41:44 drinking even Sep 06 04:42:05 It's hard to explain what I'm talking about DocScrutinizer05 =) Sep 06 04:42:13 DocScrutinizer05: Just know you motivated me to make something, useful. Sep 06 04:42:22 DocScrutinizer05: And leave my Bud Ice out of it! =) Sep 06 04:42:28 * stryngs tosses back a 20oz. Sep 06 04:42:59 Hmm .. booting does seem a lot quicker using the ext4 module instead of ext3, though I haven't been timing anything. Sep 06 04:43:28 (ie, just mounting with `-t ext4`, not enabling any ext4 features) Sep 06 04:43:56 "do you want to use a password protected root account [1] or a fuckedup open root account[2]? Both have same permissions" Sep 06 04:44:35 "please note we'll ask you same question again for first login to root after next reboot" Sep 06 04:45:45 DocScrutinizer05: chmod 4755 /bin/busybox Sep 06 04:45:50 DocScrutinizer05: Problem solved Sep 06 04:46:02 stop trolling please! Sep 06 04:47:54 DocScrutinizer05: ? I thought I was helping? I was diagnosing my use of chpasswd -m. You said it would break things, and it did. I googled my error, and it was a setuid one, as root i did 4755 to busybox, and it allowed me to su via a non privileged user. Isn't this a good thing? Sep 06 04:50:21 I suspect you're meant to just copy busybox as chpasswd then set +s on that copy if you want to use it from other users. Sep 06 04:50:32 but dunno. Sep 06 04:52:03 NO YOU MUST NOT SET SUID ON MESSYBOX!!1!11!! Sep 06 04:52:13 DocScrutinizer05: Why? Sep 06 04:54:20 for the same reason you don't set SUID on /*bin/* Sep 06 04:57:06 because of `ls -l /bin/* /sbin/* /usr/bin/* /usr/sbin/*|grep -- '-> busybox'` Sep 06 04:58:13 Hm, chpasswd for me comes from the passwd package, not busybox. Sep 06 04:58:43 right, I never even heard of that command# Sep 06 04:59:06 but busybox does also have its own chpasswd built in. Sep 06 04:59:16 There's just no symlink for it. Sep 06 04:59:38 Maybe stryngs generated all the symlinks. Sep 06 05:00:27 "built in" is exactly the point Sep 06 05:00:51 no matter what 'command' you execute, it all runds SUID busybox Sep 06 05:00:55 Alright, perhaps I am a little bit tipsy. Now we're delving into security, and rather than provide troll content as DocScrutinizer05 has suggested, I'm going to leave the convo for the meantime. I want to keep moving this project forward, not have it stall on the account of my silliness =) Sep 06 05:00:56 runs* Sep 06 05:01:34 I'll pick up at this point tomorrow =), and tbh, Maxdamantus there are TONS of symlinks on my n900; its a bastard child from PwnPhone v2. Sep 06 05:01:42 * stryngs waves Sep 06 05:02:17 * DocScrutinizer05 waves too Sep 06 05:04:38 busybox-symlinks-procps - dummy package to trick the CSSU metapackage \o/ Sep 06 05:05:10 DocScrutinizer05: just wondering, is there meant to be something to replace bq27200.sh when you're using the bq27x00_battery module? Sep 06 05:05:29 err, no not really Sep 06 05:05:48 except the module itself and the /sys/*/*/*/* files it creates Sep 06 05:05:48 I just added `eval "$(sed 's/^/registers[$((/; s/=/))]=/' Though the /sys files don't seem to provide as much information, unless you know how to interpret the registers, which that script does. Sep 06 05:07:18 if I had my way in that midule, it had a sys/*/*/*/dump Sep 06 05:07:51 it has sys/*/*/*/registers, if that's what you mean. Sep 06 05:08:04 dunno, maybe Sep 06 05:08:38 which is what my modification uses. It just returns values from that instead of using i2c directly. Sep 06 05:09:21 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 Sep 06 05:09:52 dmppath=`find /sys/devices/ -path '*/hdq/*' -name dump` Sep 06 05:10:31 dmpcmd="cat ${1:-${dmppath}}| tr -s '\n ' ' '" Sep 06 05:11:30 else Sep 06 05:11:32 dmpcmd="i2cdump -y 2 0x55 b|tail -n +2|cut -d ' ' -f 2-17" Sep 06 05:12:06 n8 Sep 06 05:19:59 what a 'new maemo' *really* could use was for example a more recent version of sudo, which knows about genuine sudoers.d Sep 06 05:21:49 so we could get rid of that unspeakable update-sudoers and the crap in /etc/sudoers file, and iirc it needs a newer version as well for the password-query-client function (or whatever been the name for that little binary that gets called by sudo when a password query is needed) Sep 06 05:27:01 then we could not only secure HAM with root password, but actually start with s/NOPASSWD/PASSWD/g and see what doesn't make sense and only annoys and revert those to NOPASSWD Sep 06 05:30:17 * Maxdamantus doesn't really want to run maemo. Sep 06 05:30:36 * Maxdamantus just needs a suitable WM and appropriate telephony software. Sep 06 05:30:54 can probably write the former in xmonad. Sep 06 05:32:16 actually we could add a comment like #legit-nopasswd to some files in /etc/sudoers.d/* and then run a bootjob like sed -i 's/NOPASSWD/PASSWD/' $(grep -L '#legit-nopasswd') Sep 06 05:47:20 * Maxdamantus wonders if there are any application container projects. Sep 06 05:48:08 Where the sorts of applications you install on phones are executed under different filesystem namespaces as different users (or in different user namespaces), etc Sep 06 05:53:15 * Maxdamantus wonders what levels of isolation applications are undern in Android and iOS. Sep 06 05:53:36 * Maxdamantus suspects not much in Android. Sep 06 06:07:31 use a proper rbac Sep 06 06:07:39 none of that containenr stuff Sep 06 06:21:56 That's potentially what I mean by containers. Sep 06 06:22:12 POSIX already has containment, eg, between uids. Sep 06 06:29:46 sshd on device is a must for any bigger job/hacking Sep 06 06:30:02 but yeah, having no root passwd is asking for troubles Sep 06 06:30:29 Maxdamantus: do you use journal for that ext3 ? Sep 06 06:37:05 KotCzarny: yes, the default journalling mode. Sep 06 06:38:29 i just cant wait for my secondary n900 to start hacking Sep 06 06:42:39 also, i think things should be kept as simple as possible, last time i tried overlayfs it was slowing everything noticably (it was on a 200mhz 486 tho) Sep 06 06:43:58 in my idea nand would be used for boot kernels, boot menu, rescuefs etc Sep 06 06:44:30 just dont know how much to use as / and how much for the /home/user/MyDocs Sep 06 06:44:52 Why do you need ~/MyDocs? Sep 06 06:44:53 can usb module export only one partition instead of whole device? Sep 06 06:45:12 Maxdamantus: for above, usb connectivity Sep 06 06:45:22 The reason it's separate normally is so it can be mounted over USB, but that's a silly idea and it looks like it's implemented incorrectly. Sep 06 06:45:42 You can just create a file on the filesystem and export that as a UMS device. Sep 06 06:46:18 ums device? Sep 06 06:46:22 ~ums Sep 06 06:46:57 or maybe we can just run samba and export it via usb networking Sep 06 06:47:15 without all that mount/umount tricks Sep 06 06:47:15 USB mass storage Sep 06 06:47:24 Yes, that works too. Sep 06 06:47:34 or sshfs, if you're running sshd. Sep 06 06:47:42 (less configuration that way) Sep 06 06:47:43 ssh eats cpu cycles Sep 06 06:47:49 but could be workable Sep 06 06:47:51 does it? Sep 06 06:47:56 isn't it just select() Sep 06 06:47:56 yes, encryption Sep 06 06:48:02 ah, sure... Sep 06 06:48:20 and windows doesnt have sshfs Sep 06 06:48:24 which is a pity Sep 06 06:48:40 it does Sep 06 06:48:41 I think you can use filezilla. Sep 06 06:48:49 wizzup, link? Sep 06 06:48:54 using dokan Sep 06 06:48:56 dokandev Sep 06 06:49:09 nice Sep 06 06:49:21 last time i tried (few years ago) there wasnt one Sep 06 06:49:36 dokan translates other filesystems to smb/cifs, iirc Sep 06 06:49:47 (which is supported by Windows of course) Sep 06 06:50:02 nice Sep 06 06:50:44 maybe we can export little ums device that would have some autorun.bat :> Sep 06 06:51:07 that will be created dnamically and enabled usb networking on windoze Sep 06 06:51:17 and opened explorer window Sep 06 06:51:30 * Maxdamantus just uses it for bootable OS images. Sep 06 06:52:35 that way all gotchas about unclean fs would reduce only to unexpected shutdowns Sep 06 06:52:48 and journal could be disabled Sep 06 06:54:07 The journal is there for unexpected shutdowns. Sep 06 07:04:44 does enabling usb networking on n900 and connecting to windows work out of the box or requires some configuration/user interaction? Sep 06 07:05:48 It'd probably work without configuration if you run a DHCP server on the N900. Sep 06 07:06:19 cool Sep 06 07:06:33 very nice Sep 06 07:09:52 KotCzarny: I found that some windows versions do not have usbnet support Sep 06 07:10:00 And if you're without internet, you also cannot fetch it Sep 06 07:10:02 This was windows 7 Sep 06 07:10:16 thats why i also though about autorun.bat Sep 06 07:10:26 and providing the driver just in case Sep 06 07:10:33 *thought Sep 06 07:26:35 * Maxdamantus wonders when things like USB are going to be replaced by ethernet. Sep 06 07:26:49 never? Sep 06 07:26:58 usb is owned by intel Sep 06 07:27:04 and they are making moneys out of it Sep 06 07:28:30 so few things would have to happen, intel going out of bussiness, ethernet starting providing power for attached devices, connectors/protocol going mobile friendly etc Sep 06 07:29:14 i think wifi was an attempt in what you wanted Sep 06 07:30:40 It just seems weird having these special connections for "peripherals" and "drives" or something. Sep 06 07:30:48 When all you're doing is networking devices. Sep 06 07:32:28 USB<->ethernet adapter for N900 Sep 06 07:32:37 old as world rule, if something is unclear for you, it's about moneys Sep 06 07:33:06 * Maxdamantus also wonders when people are going to stop using money. Sep 06 07:33:21 we are already on the way Sep 06 07:33:21 is today world money day? Sep 06 07:33:50 watch few infomercials on youtube about "fiat money" Sep 06 07:34:17 seems everybody but me does, eh? Sep 06 07:34:33 they talk about money in several channels Sep 06 07:34:37 doc, thats because my secondary n900 would only arrive next week Sep 06 07:35:21 maxd: usb is also about charging devices Sep 06 07:35:33 >>das ist prinzipiell gut, wenn jemand sagt: Geld interessiert mich nicht<< Sep 06 07:35:35 that's its second most important function today Sep 06 07:35:46 >>wir nähern uns einer idealen gesellschaft an.<< Sep 06 07:36:00 doc: if you have enough moneys for other tasks, yes Sep 06 07:36:07 yeah let's turn a perfectly serviceable master-slave protocol into some weird bidirectional networking crap Sep 06 07:36:09 KotCzarny: ethernet can potentially do that as well. Sep 06 07:36:29 maxd: ethernet wasnt designed with that in mind Sep 06 07:36:29 i'm sure nothing will go wrong with that Sep 06 07:36:43 it was about as you say 'networking devices' Sep 06 07:36:53 not about one cable fits them all Sep 06 07:37:09 until a few days ago I had my USB peripherals attached over ethernet. Sep 06 07:37:16 well, ethernet cable, at least. Sep 06 07:37:16 if you start adding features to it, you will enter incompatibility hell Sep 06 07:37:51 meh USB-C hot shit ;-P Sep 06 07:37:53 and sure, you can use 2 pairs for your other tasks, but. Sep 06 07:38:04 doc, usb is licensed :P Sep 06 07:38:15 s/hot// Sep 06 07:38:15 DocScrutinizer05 meant: meh USB-C shit ;-P Sep 06 07:38:20 DocScrutinizer05: how do you feel about the new macbook? Sep 06 07:38:36 feel? what's that? Sep 06 07:38:46 he asks about your moneys Sep 06 07:39:11 probably wants to sell you something Sep 06 07:39:20 tbh I have no clue what's the "new macbook" Sep 06 07:39:40 it's a netbook that costs 1.2k Sep 06 07:39:44 so it's a tad hard to have feelings for it Sep 06 07:39:44 (I soldered an ethernet cable to a USB header plug and some USB ports, as an alternative to using a hub or multiple extension cables) Sep 06 07:39:55 it has one usb C port, and one headphone jack Sep 06 07:39:58 and that's it Sep 06 07:40:00 but now I'd like to use that other internal USB port. Sep 06 07:40:03 maxd: o.O Sep 06 07:40:08 er, s/port/header/ Sep 06 07:40:26 not even a specialized charging port Sep 06 07:40:34 the charger is usb C as well Sep 06 07:40:36 less holes \o/ Sep 06 07:40:45 does it also have less keys? Sep 06 07:40:49 i dont mind holes Sep 06 07:41:00 holes are nice to put things in Sep 06 07:41:07 yes ::-) Sep 06 07:41:08 and it feels good usually Sep 06 07:41:09 hm, no Sep 06 07:41:16 but the keyboard has some supposedly better keys Sep 06 07:41:20 so, in a way, they are sterilizing it Sep 06 07:41:35 thinkpad keys > everything Sep 06 07:41:41 it's just this was the common industry paradigm even 5 years ago already. Heck 7 years Sep 06 07:41:50 real ibm thinkpad keys, not chinovo ones Sep 06 07:41:51 the new macbook is probably as tall as a thinkpad key Sep 06 07:41:53 less keys less holes Sep 06 07:42:00 :> Sep 06 07:42:13 yea in a way it's similar to an embedded device Sep 06 07:42:31 i wonder when they split macbook in a similar way as ipod went Sep 06 07:42:32 phones are really popular, right Sep 06 07:42:36 one with screen and one without Sep 06 07:42:41 ROFL Sep 06 07:43:20 macbook shuffle Sep 06 07:43:29 you turn it on, it does random things Sep 06 07:43:34 stay patient - can't take long. Tehy already started their own competirot product to Oculus Rift Sep 06 07:43:37 user is happy because it looks cool Sep 06 07:44:00 competitor Sep 06 07:44:05 competiriot Sep 06 07:44:12 is the ipod even a thing anymore Sep 06 07:44:53 never had one, apart from the 5$ find on some garage sale Sep 06 07:45:03 well, apparently they keep updating the ipod touch in lockstep with the iphone Sep 06 07:48:42 hmm, i wonder how dpkg handles situation when /opt is a symlink/bind into /usr Sep 06 07:49:11 and there are files in /opt at similar place as same name symlinks in /usr Sep 06 08:38:32 hmm, nice thing about partitioning would be having stock/cssu/cssu-t all on one device for testing Sep 06 08:38:47 (partitioning and moving to one / without nand) Sep 06 08:39:57 or even multiple sd cards with different flavors Sep 06 08:47:10 hmm, anyone had a problem that ussd codes stopped working even if there is cellular connectivity? (sms and calls work) Sep 06 08:47:22 it says 'cellular network not available' Sep 06 09:11:19 sending the code through pnatd works tho, hum Sep 06 09:12:00 and i didnt update/install anything recently, why is dialer acting up out of sudden? Sep 06 09:12:02 did you install starhash enabler Sep 06 09:13:00 nope Sep 06 09:13:04 but it was working before Sep 06 09:13:23 thats why i didnt bother with starhash enabler Sep 06 09:15:04 KotCzarny: check out *#ena, it's a binary-less packahe :-) Sep 06 09:15:16 um? Sep 06 09:15:30 pretty simple to grok what postinstall does and do same thing manually, resp check if it's needed Sep 06 09:16:08 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=d7VcZaV6 Sep 06 09:16:28 starhash enabler is a glorified shellscript with a button to launch Sep 06 09:16:39 once, at install time Sep 06 09:17:04 doc, but it was working few days ago Sep 06 09:17:11 just stopped out of sudden Sep 06 09:17:36 and the message is baffling 'cellular network is not available' which is clearly a lie Sep 06 09:18:09 at worst i can just write something in pygtk, but it was working not so long time ago Sep 06 09:18:31 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/source/s/starhash-enabler/starhash-enabler_0.2.tar.gz Sep 06 09:19:06 http://paste.opensuse.org/1328588 Sep 06 09:19:53 echo -e "[supplementary]\nssc=1" >> /home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini Sep 06 09:20:44 done, restarted rt-com ui, nothing changed Sep 06 09:20:48