**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 09 02:59:59 2015 Sep 09 03:20:14 stryngs: just software? :P Sep 09 03:20:26 Luke-Jr: Yes =) Sep 09 03:20:27 that's like.. normal. not differently :p Sep 09 03:20:36 Luke-Jr: Oh, it's differently Sep 09 03:21:09 Luke-Jr: Grab a copy and check it out =) Sep 09 03:21:33 no time Sep 09 03:21:47 don't even have time to maintain my N900 distro Sep 09 03:22:00 Luke-Jr: "your" distro? Sep 09 03:22:08 stryngs: Gentoo on N900 Sep 09 03:22:14 Luke-Jr: You have a differnt ..... Ah, pretty neat. Sep 09 03:22:23 Luke-Jr: chroot enviro? Sep 09 03:22:45 I haven't maintained booting since 2011 or so, but it used to work <.< Sep 09 03:22:56 Luke-Jr: chroot or an actual boot? Sep 09 03:23:11 since 2011, I have only chroot'd; before 2011, actual boot worked Sep 09 03:23:21 Luke-Jr: What changed? Sep 09 03:23:32 stryngs: perhaps nothing. I just haven't tried it. Sep 09 03:23:45 although I think bootmenu has been discontinued, and replaced with some custom U-Boot Sep 09 03:24:02 Old .debs should work right? Sep 09 03:24:14 for boot stuff, not necessarily Sep 09 03:24:49 lately I've found chroot is semi-unworkable too since Gentoo has moved on to newer glibcs (>2.19 won't work on old kernels) Sep 09 03:25:07 I can still downgrade mine.. but there's no way to bootstrap a new Gentoo on N900 anymore Sep 09 03:25:12 Luke-Jr: ah Sep 09 03:25:31 Luke-Jr: When u ran gentoo, in boot. Did the phone actually work? call, sms, gps, maps, etc..? Sep 09 03:28:40 [03:26:01] stryngs: of those, I think I only got GPS and GPRS to work Sep 09 03:29:14 Luke-Jr: Ah, too bad =/ Sep 09 03:29:36 my plan now is to migrate to Pyra ASAP :P Sep 09 03:30:08 Pyra? Sep 09 03:31:22 Interesting Sep 09 03:34:24 stryngs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK1B8zpWIAANAIx.jpg:orig Sep 09 03:36:21 luke-jr_: Definately cool =) Will the wifi nic be able to packet inject? Sep 09 03:36:40 stryngs: I would hope so, that seems standard these days Sep 09 05:24:09 anyone know why cutetube2 seems to be so incredibly unstable? Sep 09 05:24:16 Not that cutetube was a paragon of not crashung Sep 09 05:24:17 crashing* Sep 09 05:24:30 is it actually the dev's fault or something underlying in maemo? Sep 09 05:27:14 I just got it to crash by....doing nothing on a channel's videos page, for example Sep 09 05:27:24 literally just let it sit there a bit while doing something in euro truck simulator Sep 09 07:06:06 Tekk_: you may find it's just some bug in Maemo ... Yappari kinda does the same Sep 09 07:26:51 indeed Sep 09 07:26:57 when the coredumps Yappari drops are defective themselves Sep 09 07:27:26 well, then you know there's something hidden somewhere Sep 09 07:28:00 not that I'm the most expert coder, but I swear I'm not responsible of everything bad that happens Sep 09 07:28:08 ha. Sep 09 07:28:10 ;) Sep 09 07:29:23 #0 0x41d351b8 in QIODevice::close() () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 Sep 09 07:29:25 come on Sep 09 07:29:27 and my cutetube2 is not crashing, so far :) Sep 09 07:29:38 there's no way a close() can result in a segmentation fault Sep 09 07:29:57 null pointers, null pointers everywhere! Sep 09 07:30:24 recompile qt with debugging symbols? Sep 09 07:30:32 or check if there is -deb package Sep 09 07:31:21 also, compare which version you have installed (ceene and sicelo) Sep 09 07:31:36 and (tekk_) Sep 09 07:31:51 my cutetube2 doesn't crash, although I don't use it much Sep 09 07:32:08 and this thing with yappari... Sep 09 07:32:19 well, I guess you're right and the only way is to debug qt itself Sep 09 07:32:30 still, compare qt versions Sep 09 10:57:40 i'm trying to register on talk.maemo.org, but keep getting "Registration denied, this forum runs an active policy of not allowing spammers."; i also tried the Contact us link, but received no response Sep 09 11:08:08 maybe not use a @hotmail.com ;) Sep 09 11:54:48 i'm using my own domain Sep 09 12:00:55 ender|: have you tried from a different ip/subnet? Sep 09 12:02:05 not yet Sep 09 12:04:41 same thing Sep 09 12:04:52 (tried from a completely different ISP) Sep 09 12:13:35 then I guess it doesn't like your domain for some reason (?) Sep 09 12:31:05 are you listed on dnsbl? Sep 09 12:38:05 my home IP and my mailserver aren't listed anywhere (but the second IP i tried registering from is apparently listed on b.barracudacentral.org, pbl.spamhaus.org and zen.spamhaus.org) Sep 09 14:57:32 woohoo, my second n900 arrived Sep 09 14:57:37 lets see if i got scammed Sep 09 14:59:07 inb4 a literal brick Sep 09 14:59:23 wow, firmware is different Sep 09 14:59:25 o.O Sep 09 15:00:15 funnily it kept time while i was inserting sim Sep 09 15:01:36 why are you putting your sim in Sep 09 15:01:46 did you reflash it already Sep 09 15:02:06 it have battery inside... Sep 09 15:02:19 but mostly are dead ones... ;/ Sep 09 15:02:24 drathir: my n900's internal clock lasts for like 3 seconds without a battery Sep 09 15:03:42 drathir, yeah, nmy main doesnt keep time even for quick changes Sep 09 15:03:56 kerio: mine at reallysmooth sim exchange sometimes able to made it w/o clock reset.. Sep 09 15:04:14 yeah but it's a crapshoot Sep 09 15:04:22 KotCzarny: are you switching batteries? Sep 09 15:04:23 previous user had a nice setup Sep 09 15:04:32 KotCzarny: ok so you DID insert your sim Sep 09 15:04:34 kerio, not switching batteries, inserting sim card Sep 09 15:04:42 into a heavily moddable phone Sep 09 15:05:03 that you just bought Sep 09 15:05:05 yea... but wonder if change internal battery could change a little that... Sep 09 15:05:05 kerio, its a free sim, ie no cellular voice, only data Sep 09 15:05:08 and free Sep 09 15:05:12 cool story bro Sep 09 15:05:19 why do you have a free sim with free data Sep 09 15:05:22 ie. i wont pay a cent even if it started dling pr0n Sep 09 15:05:32 i'm pretty sure those only exist in candy lnad Sep 09 15:05:34 land Sep 09 15:05:39 come to poland Sep 09 15:05:40 he he Sep 09 15:06:22 drathir: changing clock battery is possible if you know soldering, but people who do insert capacitor there i think Sep 09 15:06:34 KotCzarny: does internet work in roaming? Sep 09 15:06:56 :> Sep 09 15:07:05 why does your sim card exist, anyway? Sep 09 15:07:09 how fast is mobile internet in poland? Sep 09 15:07:24 this free internet isset to 512kbit/s Sep 09 15:07:36 fastest is lte Sep 09 15:07:39 so far Sep 09 15:08:02 oh, so it's not really internet Sep 09 15:08:10 i was gonna say Sep 09 15:08:11 kerio: that sim exists because one guy got a nice contract for exclusive bandwidth Sep 09 15:08:30 still, 512kbit is enough for maps/mail/www Sep 09 15:09:05 KotCzarny: how many of those sims do you have? Sep 09 15:09:22 2 Sep 09 15:09:35 i'm pretty sure there's a way to run a VPN over two network connections Sep 09 15:10:45 nah, once it gained popularity and people started aggregating modems they restricted it to 1hr, then one has to enter captcha in particularly crowded areas Sep 09 15:12:33 and that is more a punishment for bad practices of usage the lte frequencies... Sep 09 15:14:42 they have a choice stop using it until all documents have a correct power or share the free access to the network in theory for free for few years, w/o commercial usage of frequencies... Sep 09 15:15:49 but ofc i guess not free anyway they want more data to assin into program than creating bank account ;p Sep 09 15:16:17 KotCzarny: \m/ Sep 09 15:17:18 * drathir now support meshnet idea... Sep 09 15:18:06 when i fix my n900 i will try build on it the cjdns... Sep 09 15:18:46 for sure kernel power needed bc of tun support... Sep 09 15:24:23 meshnet doesn't work for mobile devices Sep 09 15:24:29 the power consumption is way too high Sep 09 15:41:48 mmm Sep 09 15:41:51 modem works Sep 09 15:42:01 everything works as advertised so far Sep 09 15:44:28 WHY HAVEN'T YOU REFLASHED YET Sep 09 15:44:42 because i want to browse his config Sep 09 15:44:50 and see how users use n900 Sep 09 15:44:50 YOU'RE RUNNING A COMPUTER WITH INTERNET ACCESS AND WIFI IN YOUR HOME Sep 09 15:44:55 so what? Sep 09 15:45:02 its not on my net Sep 09 15:45:11 KotCzarny: that you know of Sep 09 15:45:13 and that free sim is free Sep 09 15:47:43 well, as far as i know, for wpa protected wifi i would have to enter pass, right? Sep 09 15:47:45 which i didnt Sep 09 15:47:59 so tell me, how it could be on my net? Sep 09 15:48:44 aybabtu Sep 09 15:48:53 -- CATS Sep 09 15:50:58 aybabtu? Sep 09 15:51:23 ahm Sep 09 15:51:28 nah, not all Sep 09 15:53:27 because the previous user had your wpa password & it connected automatically :D Sep 09 15:53:47 yeah, right Sep 09 15:54:03 :p Sep 09 15:54:28 still, pretty nice deal for ~25usd Sep 09 15:54:50 KotCzarny: The orig. owner is watching you pee as we speak. Sep 09 15:54:57 yeah. am happy for you (if not green with envy) Sep 09 15:55:03 :) Sep 09 15:55:11 sicelo, want me to find one for you too? Sep 09 15:56:25 kerio: cjdns its little different, bc only route if You are the best path... Sep 09 15:56:58 but yea power comsumption should be similar to vpn... ;/ Sep 09 15:57:46 i'd like that KotCzarny. but my pocket has big holes right now, & all my coins have fallen off on my way :p Sep 09 15:58:11 :) Sep 09 15:59:00 need look at prices n900 long time not checkin them... Sep 09 15:59:23 drathir 30-59usd usually Sep 09 15:59:42 less if you can solder usb port Sep 09 15:59:53 more if you want mint condition Sep 09 16:07:53 wow Sep 09 16:08:06 using backcover from my phone made camera autodetected Sep 09 16:08:30 so its only some little part that broke (in backcover) Sep 09 16:11:22 isn't it just a tiny magnet Sep 09 16:12:38 yeah, but it means only backcover needs fixing and main board is ok Sep 09 16:40:50 console /dev/ttyMTD0 enabled, does it mean it logs to flash? o.O Sep 09 16:43:38 KotCzarny: that's only for mtdoops, i think Sep 09 16:43:49 uhum Sep 09 16:52:36 hmm Sep 09 16:53:00 interestingly, 'cam_shutter gpio 110 is now open' to camera cover is detected Sep 09 16:53:35 wonder what else it needs to fullfill 'start camera app' reqeuirements Sep 09 16:53:40 *requirements Sep 09 16:57:30 also, matrix pr12 theme is pretty Sep 09 17:01:49 KotCzarny: cam shutter and backplate are two different sensor Sep 09 17:02:04 shutter is a light sensor that looks at the piece of plastic that's either black or white Sep 09 17:02:05 uhum Sep 09 17:02:10 backplate is a magnetic sensor Sep 09 17:02:24 you'll have to glue a tiny piece of fridge magnet in place Sep 09 17:02:27 on the backplate Sep 09 17:02:33 will probably do that Sep 09 17:16:47 hmm interesting also other way around. I would never sell my phone without formatting it completely first. Sep 09 17:17:38 would be nice if previous owner were a girl Sep 09 17:17:48 otherwise, meh Sep 09 17:20:54 well u never know Sep 09 17:22:39 today something starnge happened. First i lost internet connection. Then also phone connection. It came back after reboot and cleaning of pin contacts. Sep 09 17:22:47 strange even Sep 09 17:24:29 dying modem? Sep 09 17:26:53 but yeah, lost sim contact can do that too Sep 09 17:32:30 im afraid of modem dying, but hoping for sim contacts. They look kinda weary. Sep 09 17:48:01 buahahhaa Sep 09 17:48:05 sd card works Sep 09 17:48:30 so, i just got fully working n900 for ~25usd Sep 09 17:57:15 wow, this guy had extras-devel enabled all the time Sep 09 17:57:35 and apparently his device didnt blow up Sep 09 17:57:59 * kerio has extras-devel and community-devel enabled full time Sep 09 17:59:37 but that just means people do such things Sep 09 18:03:59 also, he was using fapman Sep 09 18:07:03 oscp works beautifully as a media player Sep 09 18:07:30 system one is just a mess when it comes to presenting collection Sep 09 18:13:43 also, he is using cssu-thumb Sep 09 18:13:44 hehe Sep 09 18:22:17 hmm did someone sent u my other phone... Sep 09 18:25:05 :) Sep 09 18:25:12 were you using matrix pr12 theme? Sep 09 18:35:59 ah right, nope Sep 09 18:36:04 :) Sep 09 18:36:16 i must say that theme looks pretty (again) Sep 09 18:36:18 im using windows7 theme Sep 09 18:36:49 hmm maybe i give it a try Sep 09 18:43:29 ~bupbat Sep 09 18:43:29 i guess bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 Sep 09 18:43:58 doc: this n900 is 4 years old, still has working bupbat Sep 09 18:44:04 those *are* capacitors Sep 09 18:44:06 unless someone modded it into cap Sep 09 18:44:28 0.06F capacitor Sep 09 18:44:46 aka 60000uF Sep 09 18:44:49 doc: but originally n900s had lith bat? Sep 09 18:44:53 yep Sep 09 18:45:08 crap Sep 09 18:45:30 all dead after 1 year Sep 09 18:45:43 then as i said, someone must've modded this n900 with cap Sep 09 18:45:50 capacitors supposed to last "eternally" Sep 09 18:45:57 unless it magically works after 4 years Sep 09 18:45:57 yep Sep 09 18:46:13 maybe he never used the device? Sep 09 18:46:33 nope, it LOOKS used Sep 09 18:46:36 :) Sep 09 18:46:59 disassemble and check ;-) Sep 09 18:47:09 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 Sep 09 18:47:23 maybe ill will if i get around replacing kb keys Sep 09 18:47:42 still, im amazed i got fully working n900 for 25usd Sep 09 18:48:13 me too. Just spotted one for sale for 70Z Sep 09 18:48:19 :) Sep 09 18:48:20 70€ Sep 09 18:50:09 ~bq2700 Sep 09 18:50:13 ~bq2700.sh Sep 09 18:50:15 hrm Sep 09 18:50:18 what was the name? Sep 09 18:52:37 ~bq27k-detail Sep 09 18:52:37 bq27k-detail is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 Sep 09 18:53:03 ~listkeys bq27 Sep 09 18:53:05 Factoid search of 'bq27' by key (4): bq27k-detail ;; bq27k-calibration ;; calibratebq27200 ;; bq27200. Sep 09 18:53:17 ~bq27200 Sep 09 18:53:18 bq27k-detail is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 Sep 09 18:54:27 hmm Sep 09 18:54:32 i was using different script Sep 09 18:54:45 see the dir ot's in there too Sep 09 18:55:22 one using i2cget Sep 09 18:55:25 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ Sep 09 18:55:35 they prolly all do Sep 09 18:55:46 bq27200.sh Sep 09 18:55:49 thats the one Sep 09 18:56:21 btw. mine has RS=20 there Sep 09 18:56:26 what's that param? Sep 09 18:57:24 - DCC CHAT (WBOARD) request from DocScrutinizer05 rejected because it specified reserved port Sep 09 18:57:24 number (0) [0] Sep 09 18:57:40 just use query i guess Sep 09 18:57:43 /query Sep 09 18:57:47 sorry Sep 09 18:57:54 ECLICK Sep 09 18:57:57 :) Sep 09 18:58:27 KotCzarny: RS=shunt resistor in milliOhms Sep 09 18:58:52 bq27200.sh on your site has -22 there Sep 09 18:59:25 yes, that seems accurate walue and results in 10% different results Sep 09 19:00:53 howeve ryou can override it by using RS=55555 bq27200.sh iirc Sep 09 19:01:15 anyway, thx for the link Sep 09 19:01:21 yup Sep 09 19:01:53 RS=${RS:-22} Sep 09 19:02:15 means it assigns 22 to RS var only if there's no RS already existing Sep 09 19:02:41 so a Sep 09 19:02:52 RS=20 bq27200.sh Sep 09 19:02:57 will override that Sep 09 19:03:45 the good old method of parameter passing from unix plaeozen Sep 09 19:04:22 when processes knew shit about argc and argv Sep 09 19:05:03 (disclaimer: maybe I'm making this up right now ;-D ) Sep 09 19:09:15 amazing, this n900 has battery with lmd: 1242 Sep 09 19:09:21 cool Sep 09 19:09:33 ci:0 Sep 09 19:09:45 DocScrutinizer05: will the neo900 have 3d touch Sep 09 19:12:37 5D Sep 09 19:12:52 ~speedyham Sep 09 19:12:52 speedyham is, like, 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Sep 09 19:12:54 hrm Sep 09 19:13:07 why its not in stable repo? Sep 09 19:13:12 (cssu-stable) Sep 09 19:14:02 isn't it? Sep 09 19:14:21 DocScrutinizer05: will it have 4k video Sep 09 19:14:31 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/ returns 404 Sep 09 19:14:34 and a rose metal finish Sep 09 19:14:58 kerio: pinkphone? Sep 09 19:15:25 KotCzarny: "hey ladies come buy our iphone it's pink now" - apple Sep 09 19:16:05 'hey ladies, check our multiple vibra patterns' Sep 09 19:16:18 3D vibra Sep 09 19:16:23 kerio: please check website under "specs" Sep 09 19:16:24 no other phone has it Sep 09 19:16:41 and a special waterproof finish Sep 09 19:17:35 i'm pretty sure that the n900's touch screen has some form of pressure sensor Sep 09 19:18:00 * DocScrutinizer05 is too busy for such games and heads on doing some more pressing stuff, while discarding resilts of apt-cache policy hildon-application-manager Sep 09 19:18:46 heh Sep 09 19:18:56 why is it named hildon-application-manager and not speedyham? Sep 09 19:20:54 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/ Sep 09 19:22:30 he he. 'root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.' Sep 09 19:30:54 hmm, can catalog details be edited in ham/speedyham? Sep 09 19:31:14 field light up, cursor shows but i cant enter text Sep 09 19:31:22 do i have to delete and recreate ? Sep 09 19:33:28 http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb Sep 09 19:34:24 doc, i found it, just thought its named speedyham (so i was trying apt-get install speedyham) Sep 09 19:35:05 yiou can't edit or delete base catalogs Sep 09 19:35:12 o.O Sep 09 19:35:28 so i have to simply disable them and create muarf ones? Sep 09 19:35:48 dunno if you even can disable them Sep 09 19:36:07 its annoying to see 'some catalogs failed to refresh' Sep 09 19:36:42 but i must say speedyham does its job nicely Sep 09 19:36:43 edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list et al Sep 09 19:37:02 and n900 as a whole works wonderfully Sep 09 19:49:17 anybody complaining about N900 being slow or battery-greedy shal STFU unless they installed CSSU Sep 09 19:49:35 nope, stock works wonderfully too Sep 09 19:49:41 CSSU has many fixes for nasty bugs Sep 09 19:50:05 also, this partcilular one has cssu-thumb enabled Sep 09 19:50:39 stock works until you for example install apmefo and the display manager starts buncing up and down the scrollwindow a 500 times a second by exactly zero pixels Sep 09 19:50:47 DocScrutinizer05: i installed cssu but the neo900 is still too expensive for me :'( Sep 09 19:50:49 o.O Sep 09 19:50:59 kerio: so? Sep 09 19:51:01 KotCzarny: it happens Sep 09 19:51:16 DocScrutinizer05: i'm sad :( Sep 09 19:51:23 I can't help Sep 09 19:51:59 well,maybe I can, once we built them Sep 09 19:52:49 btw. what does blinking white led mean in cssu? Sep 09 19:53:03 blinking white? never seen Sep 09 19:53:17 DocScrutinizer05: at this point i'm hoping for some rich dude to buy one, get disappointed and sell it on ebay for cheap Sep 09 19:53:30 you're aware there's a thing called LED-pattern-editor? Sep 09 19:54:00 doc, i'm new at this whole n900 maemo thing Sep 09 19:54:09 KotCzarny: reflash dat shit really Sep 09 19:54:16 KotCzarny: "new" ?! Sep 09 19:54:17 and install cssu-thumb Sep 09 19:54:19 indeed Sep 09 19:54:26 i have cssu-thumb Sep 09 19:54:39 no, you have rubbish somebody else installed Sep 09 19:54:41 and cssu-testing Sep 09 19:54:48 yeah, just playing with it now Sep 09 19:54:57 reflashing will start after weekend Sep 09 19:55:22 the fuck Sep 09 19:55:26 is there a way to shutoff gsm module and leave wifi enabled? Sep 09 19:55:29 reflashing takes literally Sep 09 19:55:30 like Sep 09 19:55:34 20 seconds? Sep 09 19:55:39 and extremely deprecated approach Sep 09 19:55:49 kerio: maybe he just want to explore the device the way the previous user left it :) Sep 09 19:55:57 like, you know, discover how other people use it :) Sep 09 19:56:01 yeah Sep 09 19:56:05 and see if its stable Sep 09 19:56:24 repos were a mess Sep 09 19:56:26 KotCzarny: yes, it's called tablet-mode but you don't want to install that to a device with rubbish on rootfs Sep 09 19:56:37 having skeiron ones and even skeiron extras-devel Sep 09 19:56:49 doesnt tablet-mode disable wireless in maemo? Sep 09 19:57:07 no, that's aitrplane mode Sep 09 19:57:20 'offline mode' to be exact Sep 09 19:57:31 someone should rename it to 'airplane mode' he he Sep 09 19:57:52 go ahead, it's avi-invocation away Sep 09 19:58:04 a vi invocation... Sep 09 19:58:17 doc, i mean in deb in repo Sep 09 19:58:34 why the heck would we do that? Sep 09 19:58:46 to be consistent with other mobiles? Sep 09 19:59:01 to give everybody the "WTF they did *now*?" of the month? Sep 09 19:59:05 :) Sep 09 19:59:30 :)) Sep 09 19:59:36 we don't *want* to be fucking consistent with other crap Sep 09 19:59:59 get crap when you want to be cosistent with crap Sep 09 20:00:03 isnt nokia's most of the ui barfs came from being consistent? Sep 09 20:00:16 pity i cant change what it was called in symbian Sep 09 20:00:24 s/change/check/ Sep 09 20:00:24 KotCzarny meant: pity i cant check what it was called in symbian Sep 09 20:00:29 oh, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/cell-modem-ui/ ... okay :) Sep 09 20:01:06 bencoh: nic Sep 09 20:01:07 e Sep 09 20:02:23 GO FOR Sep 09 20:02:26 ~flashing Sep 09 20:02:27 somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Sep 09 20:02:30 !!! Sep 09 20:02:58 easy, this baby wlll get a hell of flashing soon Sep 09 20:02:59 make a backup of current system if you're eafer to do forensics Sep 09 20:03:12 eager even Sep 09 20:04:18 do you live in a new flat for 3 months with the old wallpapers to get an idea how the former resident felt, before you refurbish it? Sep 09 20:04:41 this device is gonna be called n900-devel Sep 09 20:04:47 which means it will be flashed often Sep 09 20:04:53 its not my main phone Sep 09 20:05:05 sim card has voice disabled, and data is free Sep 09 20:05:15 lemme put it this way: maybe former owner had a reason to sell the device and that reason was somehow related to the software he installed Sep 09 20:05:39 doc, for 25usd i would expect heavy breakage Sep 09 20:05:55 yet, everything seems to be working Sep 09 20:06:13 only thing that was also in ad is missing cover magnet Sep 09 20:06:25 yeah, probanly he got a malware that exposed him to flickr in a very intimidating situation Sep 09 20:06:34 which results in mmc not mounting (which previous owner didnt realize was easy to fix) Sep 09 20:08:28 honestly, install BM (when it's not already in there, which I actually doubt) make a BM backup and then FLASH that thing to stock Sep 09 20:08:35 nah Sep 09 20:08:59 ill be tinkering with nand and rootfs on it, so bm is not needed Sep 09 20:09:10 ill flash it next week Sep 09 20:09:20 DocScrutinizer05: he put his fucking sim card in Sep 09 20:09:28 just exploring new device from 'new user view' Sep 09 20:09:49 KotCzarny: IT'S NOT NEW Sep 09 20:09:57 you guys should learn to calm down. Sep 09 20:10:00 its not fucking sim, 512kbit is not enough for redtube Sep 09 20:10:44 no, from old user perspective. Well, I can't help then. It's *your* complete fun that goes down the drain Sep 09 20:11:18 kerio: LOL Sep 09 20:12:18 seriously, you guys are ocd or what? Sep 09 20:12:38 * DocScrutinizer05 muses over >>ill be tinkering with nand and rootfs on it, so bm is not needed<< and wonders if it's worth trying to make sense of that statement Sep 09 20:13:24 doc: this wont be my main device, only dev tool Sep 09 20:13:32 so? Sep 09 20:13:51 BM is pure GOLD particularly for devel devices Sep 09 20:13:59 not in my case Sep 09 20:14:03 aha Sep 09 20:14:17 i'll be going for different boot/rootfs setup Sep 09 20:14:24 23:09 < NIN101> you guys should learn to calm down. Sep 09 20:14:26 so? Sep 09 20:14:26 +1 :-) Sep 09 20:14:44 so ^ Sep 09 20:14:47 yeah, I'm afk, this is futile useless waste of time Sep 09 20:15:24 DocScrutinizer05: it's not a waste of time, just exposing different viewpoits :) Sep 09 20:15:45 another word for "wasting time" Sep 09 20:16:07 mwarf :) Sep 09 20:17:02 "I didn't make backups of those drawings, they were not finished yet, I still tested various alternatives" Sep 09 20:18:45 you're aware you should make backups even of broken system before restoring another backup to unbreak? Sep 09 20:19:47 i wonder if my laptop can fastcharge the n900 Sep 09 20:20:12 you're further aware there's a thing like partial restore? And BM backups are mere tarballs that could resore one file or a complete system incl all customization? Sep 09 20:20:57 doh, doc, you dont know what i'll be doing, yet, you try to bully your (one and only) point of view Sep 09 20:21:12 you know you could even create a fiasco image from a BM backup file? And then flash that Sep 09 20:21:16 bm is fine, but i dont need it Sep 09 20:21:23 not yet Sep 09 20:22:05 not bullying, just "exposing different viewpoits" Sep 09 20:22:39 difference between exposing and forcing your view with shouting is quite visible Sep 09 20:23:03 but yeah, I noticed weeks ago that KotCzarny is particularly immune to advice based on experience Sep 09 20:23:41 how could I *force* anything except kicks in IRC? Sep 09 20:24:04 you arent aware what you are doing, are you? Sep 09 20:24:09 DocScrutinizer05: wosign offers 3-year ssl certs for free! Sep 09 20:24:10 are you miffing me for tlaking as much as you usually do? Sep 09 20:24:30 good tech, but quirky social/communicative skills Sep 09 20:25:28 I'm elaborating on BM features. Do you see sth different? Sep 09 20:25:54 yes, i've said i dont need it yet, but you ignored that part Sep 09 20:26:03 I#m telling you that you'll miss all the fun when you play with a used toothbrush Sep 09 20:26:19 I can ignore you any time I like Sep 09 20:26:57 you're free to do the same. Wait, you more often than not already do Sep 09 20:27:16 doc, its your opinion, i know what im doing, do you know what everyone is doing? Sep 09 20:27:28 *plonk* Sep 09 20:28:55 erf Sep 09 20:42:56 * DocScrutinizer05 finally needs to stop headdesking about "backups are useless for my special case. I want to tinker with NAND, you know" Sep 09 20:45:43 you worry too much Sep 09 20:45:53 and about things that didnt happen Sep 09 20:48:17 hmm, original back cover is ~3usd Sep 09 20:48:57 splitting magnets is hard to get right Sep 09 20:58:31 as for the white blink, its 'device on' pattern Sep 09 20:58:37 * KotCzarny unticks Sep 09 21:07:02 crazy pattern. why would someone need it? Sep 09 21:07:48 dont know, maybe similar to old people needing audibly ticking clock Sep 09 21:12:57 :D Sep 09 21:31:02 Sicelo: ooh, actually the default breathing light is a white slow pulsing, until you change that to something more useful Sep 09 21:31:20 good old battery drain Sep 09 21:32:21 kerio: nah. that's a mere 5mA with a duty cycle of <1/10, so the battery would support it for some 2500h Sep 09 21:32:37 still Sep 09 21:32:47 hm Sep 09 21:32:55 i was going to say that it reduces the lifespan Sep 09 21:33:02 but it's really about the same as leaving a notification unread isnt it Sep 09 21:33:09 yes Sep 09 21:33:19 less probably Sep 09 21:33:30 but difference being its pulsing all the time Sep 09 21:33:38 instead of just on notifications sometimes Sep 09 21:33:59 my question was more on .. why does one need "confirmation" that the device is on? i found it weird, and never once enabled that Sep 09 21:34:37 Sicelo: I like to know my device is on and I'm actually seeing any possible notification Sep 09 21:35:16 Sicelo: you know, and decent warning lamp is not off/red but green/red for the same reason Sep 09 21:35:23 s/and/any/ Sep 09 21:35:24 DocScrutinizer05 meant: Sicelo: you know, any decent warning lamp is not off/red but green/red for the same reason Sep 09 21:35:52 actually something that i'd like is nand and usd activity on the led Sep 09 21:36:05 that's so damn easy Sep 09 21:36:07 the sheevaplug can do it Sep 09 21:36:11 cpu maybe? Sep 09 21:36:47 kerio check out /sys/*/*/$LED nodes Sep 09 21:36:54 does it have nand-disk? Sep 09 21:36:57 also, won't mce complain Sep 09 21:38:10 cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523:b/trigger ->[none] timer heartbeat mmc0 mmc1 Sep 09 21:38:25 neat Sep 09 21:38:38 no NAND Sep 09 21:38:43 :-/ Sep 09 21:39:10 the sheevaplug's blue led has nand-disk as one of the triggers Sep 09 21:39:35 recompile the kernel module (if it's even a module) Sep 09 21:40:43 I never wrapped my head around why them kerneldevs *hardcoded* the pissoble triggers Sep 09 21:40:57 possible* :-P Sep 09 21:41:52 actually that trigger thing looks pretty much like a hack or an afterthought Sep 09 21:42:31 don't tell Poettering about it, he will see a usecase for kdbus in it Sep 09 21:42:42 systemd-ledd Sep 09 21:42:56 systemd-blinkend Sep 09 21:43:08 systemd-keypressed Sep 09 21:47:11 DocScrutinizer05: trigger is feature of linux kernel led subsystem Sep 09 21:47:29 it can be extended by any new trigger (just writing .ko module) Sep 09 21:48:03 doc, catalogs can be disabled in: /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues Sep 09 21:48:22 ~poettering Sep 09 21:48:22 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal Sep 09 21:48:25 because ham and speedyham uses it and overwrites /etc/apte one Sep 09 21:50:09 Pali: ((feature of linux kernel led subsystem)) of course. ((can be extended)) yes, that's what I suggested Sep 09 21:52:18 KotCzarny: ok, B rating for being late on repeating what I told you. If you had been faster, it could have been an A Sep 09 21:54:21 edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list et al Sep 09 21:54:26 this is wring Sep 09 21:54:28 *wrong Sep 09 21:54:38 no it's not Sep 09 21:54:45 you are wrong Sep 09 21:54:46 if one uses ham or speedyham its wrong Sep 09 21:54:58 google "et al" Sep 09 21:55:14 nope, your answer is wrong Sep 09 21:55:41 still wrong. Sep 09 21:55:47 F U Sep 09 21:56:10 owh! Sep 09 21:56:14 right answer is pointing to /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues Sep 09 21:56:35 honestly google for "idot" Sep 09 21:56:41 idiot even Sep 09 21:56:44 google bully Sep 09 21:57:15 I don't need your lessons on maemo management Sep 09 21:57:29 you clearly written 'edit /etc/apt' Sep 09 21:57:38 not 'google ..' Sep 09 21:57:42 you clearly ignored "et al" Sep 09 21:57:50 you prolly never heard it Sep 09 21:58:08 any wrong answer could be appended by 'et al' Sep 09 21:58:30 and you act not like 14 year old as I suggested a few weeks ago, you act like a 7 year old Sep 09 21:58:42 and you act like a bully Sep 09 21:59:03 yes, and you're begging for a ban instead a kick Sep 09 21:59:07 provided wrong answer, then kicking, then suggesting 'et al mean google' Sep 09 21:59:20 *means Sep 09 21:59:39 OMG you really are a tad thick, eh? Sep 09 21:59:45 eot. Sep 09 21:59:52 yeah better that Sep 09 22:00:22 >>google "et al"<< vs >>suggesting 'et al mean google'<< Sep 09 22:01:16 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/et_al. Sep 09 22:01:20 And others; to complete a list, especially of people, as authors of a published work. Sep 09 22:01:49 hoory another B for finally getting the meaning of a 2 items "sentence" Sep 09 22:03:27 now rethink >>"edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list et al (*and others*) " this is wrong << Sep 09 22:03:36 you are using "et al" wrong Sep 09 22:03:41 aha Sep 09 22:03:56 also, sleepy time. nite nite Sep 09 22:03:56 STFU twit Sep 09 22:25:09 libshiboken .. what a weird name! Sep 09 22:28:02 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if that guy is a relative of estel_ - or maybe even himself Sep 09 22:28:52 Sicelo: yeah I always wondered what it reminds me to Sep 09 22:29:22 there are a few weird names, shiboken, pango, and then some more Sep 09 22:30:21 only can find shibboleth Sep 09 22:30:57 and pangolin Sep 09 22:31:10 or maybe pingo Sep 09 22:35:24 s/himself/is estel himself/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 10 02:59:58 2015