**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 18 02:59:58 2015 Sep 18 04:37:53 ds3: there are cmdline exif renamers Sep 18 04:50:02 Hello Sep 18 04:50:12 my n810 is completely dead all of a sudden... won't turn on. Sep 18 04:50:22 battery dead? Sep 18 04:50:23 tried pulling the battery and putting it back, no effect Sep 18 04:50:31 charge in other device? Sep 18 04:50:33 KotCzarny: nope... it's plugged in Sep 18 04:51:11 even when plugged in, i hold down the power button and it's just dead...won't start. Sep 18 04:51:21 is there any firmware trick i could use in a case like this? Sep 18 04:51:42 dont remember if n8x0 needs good battery to work, but with n900 you cant run without Sep 18 04:53:21 just plugged it into the usb port with the (weird) cable that came with it... still nothing. doesn't show up in 'lsusb' (running linux mint on the pc) Sep 18 04:55:02 I don't think the N900 would show up in lsusb if it's unable to power on (dunno about N8x0) Sep 18 04:55:33 this is a n810 Sep 18 04:55:46 oh ok... sorry, misread -) Sep 18 04:56:21 yeah, normally if the device doesn't power up it won't show in the lsusb listing.... Sep 18 04:57:35 anyway. i just read something on the web about removing the battery for at least 15 minutes. Even though this one has been dead and ununsed for some time, i'll give it a try... Sep 18 04:59:07 same page says to flash it with some new rom update.. how do i do that if it doesn't even power on?? Sep 18 05:00:31 anyway.. there's no trick like hold down a certain button while plugging it, or push power 5 times before, etc etc...? Sep 18 05:05:12 with the N900 you just have to let it charge at a slower rate while it's off. Sep 18 05:05:39 unless maybe you have a dumb charging source (indicated by the shorted data pins) Sep 18 05:06:07 I'd try plugging it into a charger you know does that, if you have one. Sep 18 05:06:59 (official Nokia chargers should, other chargers often won't) Sep 18 05:07:53 yeah, the charger i have for this is a foreign (i think european) plug (i'm in Canada) plugged into an adapter to make it fit into the normal wall plug.. Sep 18 05:08:28 how do i tell about the "shorted data pins" though? Sep 18 05:08:53 (preferably without cutting it to pieces) Sep 18 05:16:08 plugged the charger into another socket.... nope. wont even flash a led or something, completely dead. Sep 18 05:17:51 Have you tried just leavin it plugged in for a while? Sep 18 05:18:17 yeah, it was plugged in for months, and always worked. suddenly it just decided to die. Sep 18 05:18:59 I mean over a shorter period, like half an hour or so. Sep 18 05:19:19 and not trying to turn it on during that time. Sep 18 05:19:58 ok, i'll try that Sep 18 05:20:11 after being unplugged for how long? Sep 18 05:20:23 Not being unplugged. Sep 18 05:20:40 just leave it plugged in for half an hour, then turn it on. Sep 18 05:20:56 delt, as N810 does not do USB charging, the shorted data pins does not apply Sep 18 05:21:10 Ah. Sep 18 05:21:19 inz: yeah, i remember something about that... Sep 18 05:21:50 Maxdamantus: it was plugged in for weeks/months. now what :D Sep 18 05:23:12 i could always see the green/blue-ish led in the top left corner pulsating/flashing, but it just stopped. went dead. Sep 18 05:25:36 The point with leaving it plugged in (at leat, if it charges from USB, and abides by the specificaotion as the N900 does) is it might otherwise use the small amount of charge it has to power on but not get to the point where it can draw more power (from USB, by negotiating with the host.) Sep 18 05:27:22 heh... refigerator trick =) ---> http://techieworldz.blogspot.ca/2012/04/nokia-n810-dead-battery-issue.html Sep 18 05:28:58 i think that battery just died Sep 18 05:29:03 buy new/used one Sep 18 05:29:22 plugged in for months == 100% charge all the time == death for li-ions Sep 18 05:29:38 yeah, must be the case :/ Sep 18 05:29:53 luckily you can have cheap good replacement Sep 18 05:29:58 look for polarcell brand Sep 18 05:32:20 i will, when i have a few $$ for it -) Sep 18 05:33:16 ...but even plugged in, the n810 won't turn on without a battery? (i don't remember, haven't checked) Sep 18 05:34:16 I wonder how long my N810 will keep serving web pages, being constantly plugged in Sep 18 05:34:26 delt: forget about "shorted data pins", N810 carges from 1.5mm(?) barrel connector Sep 18 05:34:49 ooh inz beat me to it Sep 18 05:35:34 inz: in fact i do remember seeing a web server for it (: Sep 18 05:36:10 Doc, IIRC it's 2.0, way too thin to bear any kind of load anway :/ Sep 18 05:36:53 yep Sep 18 05:38:07 one bent, but worked. Then the PSU broke. Used the PSU from spare. Then the N810 suddenly didn't come up from one of its random reboots it did every 2 weeks to 3 months Sep 18 05:38:38 looks like corrupted filesystem, or defect MMC Sep 18 05:39:05 could try to reflash it, didn't get around to it Sep 18 05:39:47 well, it worked like 7 years 24/7/350 Sep 18 05:43:35 N810 charger is 100% software controlled, so it suffers massively from flatbat deadlock Sep 18 05:44:10 try charging battery in external charger Sep 18 05:45:05 harger here is internal charging circuit, not the wallcharger Sep 18 05:45:41 the "walcharger" is a silly DC power supply Sep 18 05:45:47 <--- *nods* Sep 18 05:46:27 i think n8x0 can be charged via usb too Sep 18 05:46:30 * DocScrutinizer05 soesn't even know the voltage Sep 18 05:46:35 no Sep 18 05:46:46 i should check when i get home Sep 18 05:47:09 but i do remember using usb plug for charging Sep 18 05:48:35 check ~flashing, old version for N8x0. It clearly says "plug in to USB. THEN plug in power and power it up" Sep 18 05:49:26 N810 doesn't boot up and doesn't charge from USB connection Sep 18 05:50:39 you might be right Sep 18 05:50:50 nope.... zero sign of life on this thing. completely dead. Sep 18 05:51:29 which is a pity, because charges is 5V anyway Sep 18 05:51:35 AC-4U - Output 5v 890 mA Sep 18 05:53:13 fuck :( Sep 18 05:53:19 anyway... thanks for your help guys Sep 18 06:09:52 technically it *might* charge from USB. at least it has all the wires needed: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/18/plasma-desktopoQ1947.png Sep 18 06:15:06 see hidden docs Sep 18 06:15:49 don't dare to post full URLs! Sep 18 06:16:05 or they will be gone the same moment Sep 18 06:41:32 however http://www.ti.com/product/tps65030 simply doesn't support chraging battery from VBUS Sep 18 09:48:29 http://www.bildschirmarbeiter.com/content/images/picdump-15-09-18/picdump-15-09-18-001.png Sep 18 10:34:42 naughty Germans! Sep 18 11:21:39 action packed 9 hours. Sep 18 11:48:53 Sicelo: well one in there is from austria ;) Sep 18 11:50:09 aren't austrians kind of germans? Sep 18 11:50:23 KotCzarny: don't let them hear you say that ;) Sep 18 11:50:29 :) Sep 18 11:51:05 I thought they were osteriches. Sep 18 12:31:53 haha Maxdamantus. you're asking for trouble :D Sep 18 15:23:17 ~lcd Sep 18 15:23:17 methinks lcd is liquid crystal display. See http://www.earthlcd.com/ for inexpensive lcd hardware, and http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/F_LCD_menu.html for good background information. Sep 18 15:23:48 any howto on screen replace for n900? Sep 18 15:24:27 L1-2 manual? Sep 18 15:25:08 hum Sep 18 15:25:28 infobot: hey can you google Sep 18 15:25:32 infobot: google shit Sep 18 15:25:41 i think there must be a video on youtube Sep 18 15:48:46 doh, some idiot screwed the screen with aluminum torx screw Sep 18 15:49:53 why did it matters? Sep 18 15:50:07 or u break the head? Sep 18 15:51:08 b-but it's some milligrams lighter! Sep 18 15:52:12 it matters because: im trying to replace bad screen with a good screen, and i dont have torx+ screwdriver atm Sep 18 15:52:28 also, aluminum screws tend to flatout easily Sep 18 15:55:17 that is true Sep 18 15:55:34 hmm no way to use pliers to remove it? Sep 18 16:00:28 um Sep 18 16:00:47 will require breaking the plastics, luckily i managed to unscrew it Sep 18 16:00:58 Valkommen Sep 18 16:01:33 anyway, device booting Sep 18 16:01:44 lets see how much the seller f*cked me up Sep 18 16:06:06 'good condition without any problems' turned out as: broken screen, empty battery and some sticky goo inside Sep 18 16:10:11 but at least it booted, lets see if i can get any discriminate pictures of the f*cker Sep 18 16:18:42 why dont you have torx screwdrivers :? Sep 18 16:18:53 because i'm at gf's place Sep 18 16:18:55 seems they are used in a shitton of mobile hw Sep 18 16:19:14 luckily in n900 they are only used for motherboard Sep 18 16:19:16 my last gf had more tools than me :D Sep 18 16:19:49 :) Sep 18 16:21:48 umkay Sep 18 16:21:54 modem chip seems ok Sep 18 16:22:04 lets see the other things Sep 18 16:22:08 can a n900 with broken baseband still work? Sep 18 16:22:24 i desire a faster replacement for my n800, but refuse to have a GSM Sep 18 16:22:44 yes, i have one (the lcd donor) that has modem chip problem Sep 18 16:22:48 but it boots and wifi works Sep 18 16:22:49 cool! Sep 18 16:22:58 guess i should hunt one :) Sep 18 16:23:02 also, install tablet mode Sep 18 16:23:06 maybe drill through modemchip just to be sure Sep 18 16:23:08 it turns off gsm chip i think Sep 18 16:23:30 i analyzed my android with 'airplane mode' on, still does GSM comm Sep 18 16:23:37 even without a SIM inside Sep 18 16:23:41 check your n900 Sep 18 16:23:44 i have none Sep 18 16:23:52 o.o Sep 18 16:23:55 just n800 since couple weeks Sep 18 16:24:01 found in someone's estate after they died Sep 18 16:24:02 btw. do you listen to music? Sep 18 16:24:09 ARRGGGH DIE ANDROID DIE... Sep 18 16:24:09 lol Sep 18 16:24:11 sorry Sep 18 16:24:12 KotCzarny: yes :D Sep 18 16:24:15 buzz: Sep 18 16:24:16 ~oscp Sep 18 16:24:17 rumour has it, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 Sep 18 16:24:21 KotCzarny: ooo that was you :D Sep 18 16:24:31 is it in extra repo? Sep 18 16:24:44 buzz: dont remember, should be Sep 18 16:25:07 *open app manager* *wait until cpu drops off 100%* Sep 18 16:25:09 :( Sep 18 16:25:18 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/o/oscp/ Sep 18 16:25:24 just grab the deb Sep 18 16:26:41 umkay, wifi works Sep 18 16:26:44 hooray! Sep 18 16:26:59 \o/ Sep 18 16:27:01 so that leaves me with 3 fully working n900s and 1 with broken screen/modem chip Sep 18 16:27:21 still, not bad. will be good a source of spare parts :) Sep 18 16:27:23 n900 is also 800x480, isnt it? Sep 18 16:27:37 yes Sep 18 16:27:49 0.9.7-27 ? Sep 18 16:27:51 of oscp Sep 18 16:28:07 thats in repo Sep 18 16:28:19 ah yep, latest Sep 18 16:28:52 dont remember the dependencies, but should be strict system libs Sep 18 16:29:15 we'll see :) Sep 18 16:29:28 was using the built-in mediaplayer but thats really a HORRIBLE interface Sep 18 16:29:30 such bad Sep 18 16:29:39 yes. you will love oscp then Sep 18 16:29:53 it has both, ncurses and remote interface Sep 18 16:30:10 and example pygtk interface as a clicky gui Sep 18 16:30:13 remote interface has a hildon interface? Sep 18 16:30:31 no, network interface so you can control oscp-core from pc for example Sep 18 16:30:36 hmm weird, installing from app manager doesnt work Sep 18 16:30:38 or from n900, or another n8x0 Sep 18 16:30:42 i'll fix it later Sep 18 16:30:59 dpkg -i some.deb ? Sep 18 16:32:06 and vote when done testing, buZz :p Sep 18 16:32:53 vote? Sep 18 16:33:17 to move packages from extras-devel into extras Sep 18 16:33:29 if package is good and worthy Sep 18 16:33:42 (and if passes QA, but that's history) Sep 18 16:49:43 audio works. Sep 18 17:44:43 hmm, packages for n900 should have additional field. battery-drain Sep 18 17:47:03 haha. meaning? Sep 18 17:47:23 meaning min/max/avg mA for app Sep 18 17:47:33 measured for 24h Sep 18 17:49:26 lol Sep 18 17:49:31 you mean, for maemo Sep 18 17:50:18 i don't know how useful that'd be... some applications, by their function, are already guranteed to take a lot of juice Sep 18 17:50:27 think map applications Sep 18 17:51:07 or a mp4 video player :P Sep 18 17:51:14 or quake3 Sep 18 17:51:31 sicelo, but minimal would be for idle, maximum for max Sep 18 17:51:40 that would help weed out battery vampires Sep 18 18:25:12 Sicelo: most are not, and that's why such value is mostly useless. Any decent app's power consumption will usually depend *massively* on user interaction with it. An app that's drawing power while in background is most likely doing sth bad Sep 18 18:26:34 for those apps that actually draw power even while not inter-*active* it might actually be useful to document *that* they do and how much power they draw Sep 18 18:27:09 how do you propose to do that? Sep 18 18:28:00 ibstall app, run for 24h, observe data Sep 18 18:29:16 however I don't see anybody equipped and willing to do such evaluation. after all you need to do an A/B test with exactly same conditions. IOW let same device rest idle for 24H two times, once with app running and once without. Do that 3 or 4 times, to rule out unrelated and statistical factors (bad weather, poor reception, device getting flooded by pings which you woun't even notice) Sep 18 18:29:21 but how do you know it is that app and not some other component? Sep 18 18:30:04 each time I had to look at something like this, the only 'reliable' way is to look at sleep stats for a process Sep 18 18:30:09 and of course you must make sure that no other apps (IRC!!!) are running during this week of testing on the device Sep 18 18:30:14 ds3: same default test system Sep 18 18:30:58 ie. one device just for that Sep 18 18:31:20 what would you conclude if an app sends out a dbus message then sleeps. the app strictly speaking doesn't draw much/an power but that dbus command can do some power guzzling thing Sep 18 18:31:34 is that the app that is charged with the power guzzling or not? Sep 18 18:31:51 ds3, worst offenders are those drawing power in idle Sep 18 18:32:22 then the question is: which apps would that be that are even _candidates_ for such tests? Obviously only logging apps and online apps qualify, since other apps shouldn't even stand the testing promotion due to eating resources for no obvious reason Sep 18 18:33:13 KotCzarny: in my example, the app is not drawing power when idle yet from a system point of view, the app started something that is drawing power Sep 18 18:33:32 ds3: thing is, if you install an app, then you see radical power draw, then it is this app related Sep 18 18:34:25 its not perfect, but could be a start Sep 18 18:34:34 got it, I see which direction you are approaching it from Sep 18 18:35:02 problem I see with that is it makes it harder to fix the problem (short of removing the app) Sep 18 18:36:12 but at least you will know why there is unexpected battery drain Sep 18 18:36:15 DocScrutinizer05: even off line games would be candidates Sep 18 18:36:24 seen stuff that redraws too often Sep 18 18:36:59 that's clearly a loser on testing Sep 18 18:37:28 see criteria list for apps in maemo-testing Sep 18 18:38:27 has the CSSU folks looked into sandboxing apps? Sep 18 18:38:29 *any* app in background MUST NOT (2119) draw any power (or resources except RAM in general) unless it does some updating on other stuff than a timer Sep 18 18:38:48 no, sandboxing apps is not a concept of maemo Sep 18 18:39:10 sand boxing in a different way then Android Sep 18 18:39:31 You can use containers to freeze apps or limit their swapping Sep 18 18:39:44 that way apps that does draw power can be frozen Sep 18 18:39:54 um, can linux do that? Sep 18 18:40:06 I thought about a gneric system sanity monitor that checks unusual resoure consumption of any kind Sep 18 18:40:16 and tags the possible causes Sep 18 18:40:24 (and things like the Browser (microB?) can be put on ice or limited in swapping so it won't render the N900 useless when a bad page loads) Sep 18 18:40:39 KotCzarny: Linux containers can do stuff like that Sep 18 18:41:08 ds3: containers as in virtual machines? or something else? Sep 18 18:41:13 err, for such stuff unix has ulimits and kill Sep 18 18:41:16 2 things that kill me - Modest and MicroB Sep 18 18:41:29 KotCzarny: not as heavy weight as a full VM Sep 18 18:41:34 maemo even has OOM Sep 18 18:41:42 aka OHM Sep 18 18:42:16 those things kick in too late Sep 18 18:42:27 then reconfigure them Sep 18 18:42:49 sometimes I have 30seconds to pull up an old SMS.... if it is busy swapping, I have lost my 30seconds Sep 18 18:43:07 ? Sep 18 18:43:41 when you have problems "pulling up old SMS" you probably should delete your eventsdb Sep 18 18:43:43 Modest/MicroB winds up using 95% of the memory so to do anything else you have to wait for them to page out Sep 18 18:43:59 the problem is I cannot get to conversations to try to pull it out Sep 18 18:45:07 yes, web browsers are a pest, or rather 'modern' webpages are (and those twits that code them). Anyway that seems to be fixable with a simple ulimit, no? Sep 18 18:45:08 Modest seems to have a memory leak (AFAICT)... combine that with a web page being open and I am in deep crap Sep 18 18:45:19 ulimit kills things Sep 18 18:45:37 i want to be able to change the swap policy on just the browser (which is what you can do with containers) Sep 18 18:45:57 how would that help? Sep 18 18:45:59 or configure browser to use smaller mem cache? Sep 18 18:46:09 we already have swap pressure 100 Sep 18 18:46:39 the browser can be forced to lagged more (more pre-emptive paging out) Sep 18 18:46:59 the other stuff has a better chance of not having to wait for free mem before it can page in/start Sep 18 18:47:20 and no, afaik a task doesn'T get killed when it runs into mem ulimit. It simply gets a 'out of memory' return code on malloc. At least that's what I'd expect to happen Sep 18 18:47:38 put it another way- the browser can act as if can use no more then 70% of real memory before it pages. (currently, any process can use 100%) Sep 18 18:47:56 ((more pre-emptive paging out)) again, we already have swappiness=100 Sep 18 18:48:10 and most programs kill themselves when malloc returns NULL Sep 18 18:48:29 so simply browser needs to know its limits Sep 18 18:48:36 and ulimit doesn't effect swapping either Sep 18 18:48:39 as i said, lower (or disable mem cache) Sep 18 18:48:51 KotCzarny: doesn't seem to be useful. tried it. Sep 18 18:48:54 again, we already have swappiness=100 Sep 18 18:49:05 DocScrutinizer05: that is for the whole system Sep 18 18:49:11 consider things - Sep 18 18:49:11 makimum paging-out pressure for all apps Sep 18 18:49:24 Any paging activity at all will cause enormous latency for the entire system anyway, even if it's just one process causing pageouts Sep 18 18:49:32 you open a "bad" web page. browser expands to fill all free RAM Sep 18 18:49:49 now you try to do something else - say start Conversations. Sep 18 18:50:07 since there is no free RAM, it has to page out enough to load in Conversation == Lag. Sep 18 18:50:30 what I am say is: put the brower in a container and restrict it to using 70% free RAM. Sep 18 18:50:40 now if I start Conversations, it will have RAM to start. Sep 18 18:50:43 or: write a browser/proxy that converts big images on the fly Sep 18 18:51:00 what the container does is make the process act as if it had less ram so it swaps out earlier Sep 18 18:51:38 I am willing to as far as to hook into the UI and put the browser process on ice when it looses focus Sep 18 18:52:28 (this has bad side effects like background loading of pages stop working) Sep 18 18:54:07 because 'bad site' is usually something with big gallery Sep 18 18:55:26 but, if 4000x3000 images got rescaled into 800x600 or something, and there are 8-40 images, it saves quite a big chunk of memory Sep 18 18:56:13 there are more bad stuff then that Sep 18 18:56:31 also, would require bad sites that just do width=somebignumber Sep 18 18:56:41 it has way more bad effects, like browser not _freeing_ any memory while frozen Sep 18 18:57:15 ideally the browser should cooperate. the containers approach is a big hammer Sep 18 18:57:26 exactly Sep 18 18:57:39 and browser backend is FOSS, so rewrite it Sep 18 18:57:43 i wonder if there is performance gains to swapping out to the uSD card instead Sep 18 18:57:53 <--- not an app guy Sep 18 18:57:57 ds3: why not juse use a proper rbac + limits Sep 18 18:58:04 I'm allergic to the word "container" Sep 18 18:58:06 Wizzup: rbac? Sep 18 18:58:11 role based access control Sep 18 18:58:19 Wizzup: container in general or container as implemented in Linux? Sep 18 18:58:34 container as in the popular term for container Sep 18 18:58:39 ah Sep 18 18:58:39 another thing, compressed swap Sep 18 18:58:45 where many layers are virtualised, and people think they're safe that way Sep 18 18:58:53 for example grsec's rbac is awesome Sep 18 18:59:01 the container stuff in Linux would give you a form of rbac Sep 18 18:59:09 I don't think that's an rbac Sep 18 18:59:11 just virtualisation Sep 18 18:59:19 if I had the time, I woudl shove all of android in a container ;) Sep 18 18:59:21 selinux, apparmor and grsec's rbac are rbacs Sep 18 18:59:25 I guess the overhead would be higher than the gain Sep 18 18:59:40 generally, rbacs do not have a large impact on speed Sep 18 18:59:43 Wizzup: I have a looser definition of 'role' Sep 18 19:00:09 selinux is too painful to configure in a useful way. lots of finegrain controls and lots of headaches Sep 18 19:00:35 selinux is bloat, yes Sep 18 19:00:47 it comes down to is - the real world and the CS theories being taught is not quite compatible Sep 18 19:01:10 I don't believe that shit Sep 18 19:01:11 but since new CS grads are cheap, we have lots of crappy SW Sep 18 19:01:36 Wizzup: I mean writing a policy for selinux is very painful Sep 18 19:01:39 grsec's rbac - https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Grsecurity/The_RBAC_System / Sep 18 19:01:51 ds3: yes, I gave selinux as an example of rbac, not my suggested rbac Sep 18 19:01:55 why not just LD_PRELOAD-patch malloc (and whatever does handle page faults) for processes you want to make more "swappy" Sep 18 19:02:06 ld preload is unsafe Sep 18 19:02:20 unsafe Sep 18 19:02:22 I mean, if you know what you're running, you can use ldp Sep 18 19:02:24 oh well Sep 18 19:02:28 for all container purposes it is not Sep 18 19:02:40 s/container/containing/ I guess Sep 18 19:02:43 ld preload fails under many conditions Sep 18 19:03:05 whatever, afk Sep 18 19:03:19 ds3: I don't think that it makes sense to create virtual worlds where $app can do whatever it wants, and then say it's safe because likely the virtual world is isolated enough Sep 18 19:03:23 busy bringing 1GB RAM to that OS Sep 18 19:03:29 DocScrutinizer05: yay! Sep 18 19:03:47 Mr Bringing a Bigger Hammer ;) Sep 18 19:03:54 haha Sep 18 19:04:11 more RAM == more power usage ;) Sep 18 19:04:23 Depends on the efficiency Sep 18 19:04:26 i wonder if n900's ram chip could be resoldered with something bigger Sep 18 19:04:27 unless someone wants to port the ram bank power management patches Sep 18 19:04:48 KotCzarny: yes. but the trick is finding one and getting it initialized correctly Sep 18 19:05:24 i remember old wrt54g had such feature if auto configuring bigger chip Sep 18 19:05:50 anyway swapping takes ages. When you want brwoser to start earlier with swapping, I'd actually prefer it getting killed on malloc right away Sep 18 19:05:52 the bootloader needs to shove in right timings or the memory controller won't be happy Sep 18 19:06:28 or swap out its mem cache in big contiguous chunks Sep 18 19:06:33 as soon as you bring it to background, it's supposed to swap out everything anyway Sep 18 19:07:31 ds3: we did Sep 18 19:07:51 and power consumption is not THAT bad Sep 18 19:08:09 DocScrutinizer05: is that source renewable or a lifetime buy? Sep 18 19:08:10 LPDDR is pretty humble in idle mode Sep 18 19:08:24 well, who knows Sep 18 19:08:36 I remember the guys doing that patch had numbers that indicated noticeable savings Sep 18 19:08:42 right now I could get another 2000 Sep 18 19:09:13 DocScrutinizer05: is that the end of it? (the other 2000) Sep 18 19:09:23 dunno Sep 18 19:09:31 if it is a bootloader compatible piece, I am tempted to rework an N900 Sep 18 19:09:32 I bet there are more Sep 18 19:09:50 the hardest part should be removing the cans Sep 18 19:10:18 no Sep 18 19:10:29 ? Sep 18 19:10:43 cans are easy. PoP is hard Sep 18 19:10:46 what's the harder problem besides re-POP'ing? Sep 18 19:10:54 POP is easy. done it on the Beagle already Sep 18 19:10:55 :D Sep 18 19:11:01 we too Sep 18 19:11:19 just can't do it too many times or PCB delaminates Sep 18 19:11:52 do i have to take out sim for reflash or it doesnt matter? Sep 18 19:11:52 I sent some 3 chips to a guy who planned to rework his N900. Never again heard of him Sep 18 19:12:23 ~flashing Sep 18 19:12:23 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Sep 18 19:12:36 *shrug* Sep 18 19:13:04 we have 2 BB-xM with 1GB RAM Sep 18 19:13:40 and yes, bootloader was a mess to get right Sep 18 19:13:47 is that 1GB RAM or 1GB RAM + NAND? Sep 18 19:13:52 have fun doing that to NOLO Sep 18 19:14:04 1GB + 512MB Sep 18 19:14:15 oops, thought you meant the chip is understood by NOLO already Sep 18 19:14:16 blah Sep 18 19:14:53 didn't the 3730 use the EMIF? Sep 18 19:14:55 NOLO is completely opaque Sep 18 19:15:03 EMIF? Sep 18 19:15:05 (vs the 3430 using the SDRC) Sep 18 19:15:10 the ram controller block Sep 18 19:15:25 I think there's no difference Sep 18 19:15:45 uboot handles both, IIRC Sep 18 19:16:03 yes, uBoot handles it, after quite some patching Sep 18 19:16:24 eh? it should be in one header file Sep 18 19:16:27 NOLO though... Sep 18 19:17:06 ask freemangordon Sep 18 19:17:32 I didn't follow what was the problem. Think we had 2 or 3 of them Sep 18 19:18:27 I sort of understood the problem back when I read the sourcecode. Now I can't recall anymore Sep 18 19:18:55 cheers Sep 18 19:18:58 o/ Sep 18 19:19:03 yep it is the same SDRC Sep 18 19:35:11 actually, n900 with 512-1024M of ram would rock Sep 18 19:36:04 almost like the neo900 Sep 18 19:36:06 oh wait :) Sep 18 19:36:27 but much cheaper ;) Sep 18 19:45:19 flashing, always full of suspense Sep 18 19:50:59 * Maxdamantus suspects the RAM issue on a browser can be solved simply enough by setting a ulimit on a multi-process browser. Sep 18 19:51:44 (one that handles subprocesses crashing, that is) Sep 18 19:52:34 Chromium, Firefox with Electrolysis, .. Sep 18 21:04:01 there is working chromium on maemo? Sep 18 21:05:55 Yes, but it's really old. Sep 18 21:06:39 You should be able to run some other ARM build you can find, possibly in a chroot. Sep 18 21:07:03 but it might not be graphically accelerated. Sep 18 21:07:51 when I tried copying the libraries in there, it would randomly crash the device. Sep 18 21:08:19 Though I haven't experimented too much with it. Sep 18 21:56:16 ah hmhm Sep 18 21:57:27 i almost only use midori inside easy debian Sep 18 21:59:01 * Maxdamantus just uses Opera Mobile. Sep 18 21:59:42 i used opera before trying midori Sep 18 21:59:48 now i like it more Sep 18 22:00:04 although opera is undoubtedly second on my list Sep 18 22:00:51