**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 20 02:59:58 2015 Sep 20 04:02:19 [max@jove (~/build/gecko-dev)]$ git rev-list HEAD | while read x; do echo "$x $(diff /tmp/geckotarget <(git cat-file -p "$x"^{tree}:./js/src) | wc -l)"; done >microb-find Sep 20 04:03:08 * Maxdamantus vaguely remembers seeing a post on TMO about finding the commit for the microb xulrunner tree. Sep 20 04:37:53 Apparently that doesn't work—looks like there's additional licensing stuff added everywhere. Sep 20 04:44:08 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94107&page=7 Sep 20 06:06:28 Maxdamantus: could be included in opera license agreement Sep 20 06:06:59 (information about proxy) Sep 20 06:30:47 Hm, so there's already a wiki entry for this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_on_Debian Sep 20 06:31:53 Though that maemory.com domain doesn't seem to exist anymore. Sep 20 06:32:14 last edited in 2011. Sep 20 06:32:34 most activity related to n900 ended in 2011 Sep 20 06:38:02 * Maxdamantus wonders what people are intending to run on their Neo900s then. Sep 20 06:38:24 firefox, most likely Sep 20 06:38:34 FirefoxOS? Sep 20 06:38:35 1gb should be enough finally Sep 20 06:39:03 as for os i dont know, just saying what i would use Sep 20 06:41:03 and if it will be as open as they plan, you could just run any linux distro Sep 20 06:41:45 You can probably already do that on the N900. Sep 20 06:41:50 nope Sep 20 06:42:14 unless you accept loss of cellular and some other things Sep 20 06:42:31 I suspect that'd work atm as long as you stick to the same old kernel. Sep 20 06:42:51 just using ofonod or fso, and whatever software works on top of that. Sep 20 06:44:06 I was able to boot a fairly plain Debian install with a 3.14 kernel and send/receive SMS using ofonod. Sep 20 06:44:20 (just using the example scripts) Sep 20 06:44:51 could probably do the same thing with the old kernel and also get speech. Sep 20 06:44:52 many tried, no one reported full functionality success Sep 20 06:46:55 * Maxdamantus wants a second device to try stuff out on :\ Sep 20 06:47:13 maybe I should just buy one off ebay rather than waiting for one to appear on the local thing. Sep 20 06:47:22 :) Sep 20 06:47:28 ebay is a bit pricey Sep 20 06:47:47 shipping kills the price Sep 20 06:48:01 Yeah, iirc shipping was a significant part of the price last time. Sep 20 06:48:18 if you manage find one from your country it will be good Sep 20 06:50:17 most '100% working' local offers in pl go for ~50eur Sep 20 06:50:28 (that including shipping) Sep 20 06:51:26 Yeah, seems to be a bit cheaper than that here. Sep 20 06:51:42 but not a very big sample (have seen three past sales) Sep 20 06:52:22 you can of course hit some occasion, i got fully working n900 (- magnet in the cover) for ~15eur) Sep 20 06:56:58 There's an N9 at least for NZ$110 (€63), which might be interesting to experiment with (and possibly substitute as a phone occasionally) Sep 20 06:57:36 “Has multiple scratches on the screen and body, when screen is going it looks fine. ” Sep 20 06:58:16 dont know n9 usual fails, for n900 its either bad screen, usb port or modem chip Sep 20 06:59:06 It has a bit of plastic around the phone jack missing, which I've read other people referring to. Sep 20 06:59:16 but that's not a component failure. Sep 20 07:41:48 (that 3.14 kernel I mentioned was built from Linus' tree btw, not one of the separate n900-related repositories) Sep 20 09:01:05 Bah. Whenever I try something like conkeror/firefox from a normal Debian chroot, I'm reminded how much better the fonts can be. Sep 20 09:01:26 Stupid people doing stupid thing to degrade typographical experience. Sep 20 09:02:15 I don't usually notice on the N900 because the resolution is far greater than any other display I frequently use, but proper font rendering makes a massive difference. Sep 20 09:02:47 proper = minimal antialiasing, more hinting Sep 20 09:13:07 upgrade font lib? Sep 20 09:15:31 It's not really a matter of upgrading. Sep 20 09:17:05 But it might involve replacing the freetype build with one with different compilation options, not sure. Sep 20 09:19:20 how's that different from upgrading font lib? Sep 20 09:21:03 It would be the same version of the library. Sep 20 09:21:15 but with better features Sep 20 09:21:30 so inferior -> superior Sep 20 09:22:00 anyway, freetype is open source which means its doable (unless they did bad things to it) Sep 20 09:26:57 http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/a.png http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/b.png http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/c.png Sep 20 09:27:09 (those are three different links) Sep 20 09:27:46 what's the first browser? Sep 20 09:27:58 conqueror Sep 20 09:28:03 konqueror Sep 20 09:28:16 kde's default one Sep 20 09:28:52 No, conkeror. Sep 20 09:28:56 o.o Sep 20 09:29:01 not related to konqueror. Sep 20 09:29:14 never heard of it Sep 20 09:29:17 :) Sep 20 09:29:25 the second one is also conkeror, but using microb-xulrunner. Sep 20 09:30:00 does it run well on n900? Sep 20 09:30:22 With microb-xulrunner it seems to run quite smoothly. Sep 20 09:31:12 but it's buggy, possibly to do with an extra script I wrote to do grab scrolling. Sep 20 09:31:53 (doesn't produce the same bugs as when run using a iceweasel from wheezy) Sep 20 09:32:24 Dunno what the differences are. Sep 20 09:32:56 might be graphics libraries. Sep 20 10:18:38 Ah, right. 2010 was before anyone was allowed to use the hinting information from TTFs. Sep 20 10:18:46 well, 2009. Sep 20 10:18:54 so it's stuck with autohinting, which sucks. Sep 20 10:19:19 which means i was right, upgrade Sep 20 10:19:21 :) Sep 20 10:19:32 Well, the codebase has the option, but it's disabled by a define, because it would probably have been illegal do distribute the binaries otherwise. Sep 20 10:19:40 No, just need to change that option. Sep 20 10:19:50 so we can just rebuild? Sep 20 10:20:04 shuldnt hurt to bump the version tho Sep 20 10:20:15 to get all the hinting improvements Sep 20 10:20:16 you can't bump the version Sep 20 10:20:36 i meant, to compile newer version Sep 20 10:20:37 :P Sep 20 10:20:44 KotCzarny: you will use the 3d driver Sep 20 10:20:55 *loose Sep 20 10:21:06 o.O Sep 20 10:21:17 freetype uses 3d? Sep 20 10:21:23 x11? Sep 20 10:21:46 WE CAN REBUILD IT Sep 20 10:21:54 Well, I'm seeing if it works now, hang on. Sep 20 10:36:52 Hm. Didn't seem to do anything. Sep 20 10:37:06 needsconfig/reboot? Sep 20 10:37:21 Maybe the define is overridden somewhere else. Sep 20 10:40:21 hey. http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices/NokiaN900/InstallGuide <- how to compile the dov4l2 binary? Sep 20 10:46:18 is it me or its not maemo related at all? Sep 20 10:46:25 ie.different os Sep 20 10:49:04 hm. for the nokia n900 phone i need it Sep 20 10:50:19 you need build env for that os, it calls: Sep 20 10:50:26 #source the devshell Sep 20 10:50:26 oe_runmake Sep 20 10:50:26 scp dov4l2 root@192.168.0.202: Sep 20 10:50:56 so to get help i would ask that guide author Sep 20 10:51:34 or shr people in general Sep 20 11:07:52 nice, n900 can be used as a luxometer Sep 20 11:20:46 http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/1.png Sep 20 11:21:06 missing 'before' pic Sep 20 11:21:08 Should've tried it before, but that's what it notes looks like with freetype 2.4.9 Sep 20 11:21:31 xulrunner is still bad though. Sep 20 11:23:14 I was wondering if the gecko in microb did something weird with the font rendering to enable zoom to work properly. Sep 20 11:23:42 because proper zoom doesn't work with proper font rendering, and microb has proper zoom iirc Sep 20 11:23:44 check with ldd what it uses? Sep 20 11:25:01 -bash-2.05b$ cat /proc/1606/maps | grep freetype Sep 20 11:25:02 41428000-4147c000 r-xp 00000000 b3:02 1030338 /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6.8.1 Sep 20 11:25:16 Probably more reliable than ldd. Sep 20 11:25:37 but it could also have something statically linked in. Sep 20 11:25:40 unlikely. Sep 20 11:25:59 apps can config freetype on runtime? Sep 20 11:26:10 What do you mean by "config"? Sep 20 11:26:15 freetype is a versatile library. Sep 20 11:26:40 i mean for example enable/disable hinting or subpixel rendering Sep 20 11:26:42 You can use it to rasterise glyphs or extract vectors from them, etc Sep 20 11:27:04 If something is creating something zoomable, you'd probably get the vectors. Sep 20 11:30:50 It renders nicely in Chromium if I force DJS with ~/.fonts.conf Sep 20 11:31:19 (not in conkeror/xulrunner, though it does still use DJS) Sep 20 11:31:38 look for FT_Load_Glyph in source code then compare flags? Sep 20 11:32:07 Flags? afk a bit Sep 20 11:32:16 for example FT_LOAD_FORCE_AUTOHINT Sep 20 11:32:26 and similar Sep 20 12:42:28 Woah, this happened: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/3/21/155 Sep 20 12:43:10 So I guess you can make phonecalls now using a kernel from Linus' repository. Sep 20 12:43:16 cool Sep 20 13:01:35 Maxdamantus: no Sep 20 13:02:18 Hm, no? Sep 20 13:03:29 something else was still missing ..forgot what it is. haven't spoken to sre in a bit now Sep 20 13:04:39 contact him via Jabber .. he's communicatiove Sep 20 13:04:42 -o Sep 20 15:26:15 google maps are good. here maps rock (at least for south africa/swaziland) Sep 20 15:26:56 with google maps i'll likely be lost most of the time (unless i'm in big towns or close to them) Sep 20 15:27:27 while you are at that topic, did you use nokia maps that come preloaded on n900? Sep 20 15:27:35 are they still valid/working? Sep 20 15:29:40 yes, they are the only maps i use Sep 20 15:29:54 to updated them you need windows however Sep 20 15:30:03 you can update the maps using windows? Sep 20 15:30:14 hum, so they aren't working out of the box ? Sep 20 15:30:14 TIL Sep 20 15:30:16 yes .. Ovi Suite Sep 20 15:30:42 they should be working .. problem is that nokia maps looks for the maps in old location, which changed Sep 20 15:30:50 ovi suite uses the new URL Sep 20 15:31:12 hum, yes, i've noticed they didnt fetch any map data Sep 20 15:31:51 weird thing though .. location widget and location-test-gui fetch map data just fine, from here.com Sep 20 15:32:35 i've run "strings" on the nokia maps binary and couldnt see any interesting URLs there .. had hoped to hex-edit the whole thing :p Sep 20 15:33:10 probably a config file ven? Sep 20 15:33:13 file even* Sep 20 15:33:24 perhaps someone else can look :) Sep 20 15:33:50 i didnt' get it .. will try other locations Sep 20 15:34:15 maybe gconf Sep 20 15:34:20 grep -r ? ;) Sep 20 15:34:22 grep all /home Sep 20 15:35:18 will try again Sep 20 16:51:52 tried (again) to fool N900 through /etc/hosts ... seems N900 makes "bad request" :( Sep 20 16:52:15 means params/link have changed Sep 20 16:53:06 try urlsnarf Sep 20 16:53:45 going to have more info than wireshark? Sep 20 16:54:05 havent tried wireshark Sep 20 16:54:18 does wireshark get urls? Sep 20 16:54:35 in the meantime, i think we have better chances trying to get the url which is used by Nokia Suite, and then we can download ourselves :) Sep 20 16:55:03 which is how most of us Linux users have mostly been getting maps on N900 even when map download was working properly Sep 20 16:55:31 but this is hit and run game Sep 20 16:56:33 why? Sep 20 16:57:04 because it can change at any time, and without vendor support there is no guarantee how long it would work Sep 20 16:58:35 yes, that's the fun of it (think yappari) ;) Sep 20 16:58:50 :) Sep 20 16:59:22 i don't know how other Nokia phones fare with regard to maps .. any with lifetime maps, besides the N9? Sep 20 16:59:24 i think its not fun anymore for ceene ;) Sep 20 17:00:52 anyway, it's so fun to have more than one n900, i can finally hack and slash the fs as much as i wanted Sep 20 17:01:02 how is it going? Sep 20 17:01:15 right now preparing base setup Sep 20 17:01:23 image? Sep 20 17:02:01 which means pr1.3.1+cssu-thumb with removed unneeded apps (*-installers, cherry, etc) and with few packages installed Sep 20 17:02:11 more like installer Sep 20 17:02:18 ah, i see Sep 20 17:02:36 backup menu does similar thing Sep 20 17:03:26 but i would target one-fs setup, which means non-standard way of mounts Sep 20 17:05:58 btw, re: maps .. satellite view still downloads maps fine on N900 Sep 20 17:07:45 mmm, oscp rocks on n900 Sep 20 17:28:34 hmm, which app added reboot to powermenu? Sep 20 17:42:32 hmm, my USB stick SoC is faster than N900 :x Sep 20 17:43:14 life Sep 20 17:43:27 zx81 was fun in its day Sep 20 17:44:35 :)) Sep 20 17:48:36 Luke-Jr: a rockbox ? which chip Sep 20 17:49:02 buZz: no, USB Armory Sep 20 17:49:11 i think i have a RK3066 somewhere Sep 20 17:49:27 Freescale i.MX53 ARM® Cortex™-A8 800MHz Sep 20 17:49:42 https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/5601/usb-armory-front-back-2_png_project-body.jpg Sep 20 17:49:54 luke, now the question is, can you ssh into it? Sep 20 17:50:02 otherwise it doesnt count ;) Sep 20 17:50:11 KotCzarny: of course Sep 20 17:50:18 it's just a regular linux box Sep 20 17:50:28 cool Sep 20 17:50:32 yeah pretty cool device Sep 20 17:50:36 but >100 usd, isnt it? Sep 20 17:50:40 probably Sep 20 17:50:45 N900 is too :P Sep 20 17:50:50 nope Sep 20 17:50:55 50 eu here on market Sep 20 17:50:55 ? Sep 20 17:50:57 wow Sep 20 17:51:00 its cheaper than n800/n810 Sep 20 17:51:00 i bought n900 for ~15eur Sep 20 17:51:03 fully functional Sep 20 17:51:06 new or used? Sep 20 17:51:13 and other for ~25eur Sep 20 17:51:14 cant find them new Sep 20 17:51:26 like new or clearly used? :P Sep 20 17:51:43 used Sep 20 17:51:44 somewhere between those two extremes Sep 20 17:52:40 battery is quite strong too Sep 20 17:52:53 even has clock bupbat working Sep 20 17:53:08 i bought a used original battery for my n800 Sep 20 17:53:17 3 usd incl shipping :) works a treat Sep 20 17:53:18 (my main n900 which is in much better cosmetical condition has bupbat dead) Sep 20 17:53:50 so i guess 15eur for 32mb of storage + other functionality isnt bad deal Sep 20 17:53:57 i mean 32GB Sep 20 18:44:08 sicelo: /usr/share/nokia-maps Sep 20 18:44:17 mwconfig is password protected zip archive Sep 20 18:55:29 possibly hiding there .. everything else doesn't have the address linux.s2g.gate5.de Sep 20 18:56:26 that .de address could be simply final one, could be intermediate load balancer somewhere too Sep 20 18:56:55 the problems servers are rev.linux.s2g.gate5.de and ver.linux.s2g.gate5.de which Ovi Maps tries to contact. in addition, it tries to contact download.linux.s2g.gate5.de (which it can do so successfully) Sep 20 18:57:28 g2g now however .. someone should try crack the mwconfig hten ;) Sep 20 18:57:31 *tehn Sep 20 18:57:50 im running fzipcrack, but my laptop is single core 1.2ghz ;) Sep 20 18:58:36 cool. maybe you get something Sep 20 19:00:21 but even when we can change the string .. question will be .. to what? Sep 20 19:04:11 or just grab nokia map loader Sep 20 19:04:13 :) Sep 20 19:11:37 http://www.anvo-it.de/wiki/avmapsloader:main Sep 20 19:13:59 i wonder which format n900 uses Sep 20 19:22:00 sicelo: www.blog.d-11.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/download_ovi-maps.sh.tar.gz Sep 20 19:28:25 bash + wget required but otherwise you can even run it on device itself Sep 20 19:28:32 16GB for the whole thing Sep 20 19:35:47 and www.blog.d-11.de/2011/03/22/nokia-ovi-maps-3-0-0-1-25-114-direct-downloadlinks-und-downloadscript-for-maemo-n900-without-using-map-loader/ Sep 20 20:03:33 perl-base - The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister. Sep 20 20:03:35 o.O Sep 20 21:37:11 well Sep 20 21:37:20 yappari 2.0.21 is out Sep 20 21:37:53 except for implementing textsecure, i don't see any other way of making it behave more like S40 official version Sep 20 21:38:22 protocol wise, of course, there's still missing functionality and all that Sep 20 22:01:10 ceene: \m/ Sep 20 22:01:44 * Sicelo looks for the changelog **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 21 02:59:59 2015