**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 21 02:59:59 2015 Sep 21 05:56:40 hooray. In version 2.0.21 of yappari i was finally able to leave group. Remains to be seen if yappari will be stable now. Sep 21 06:38:25 cool! Sep 21 06:38:38 i hope so too Sep 21 07:37:42 i think i tried to leave group since version .18. I even deleted the group log from yappari folder, but still that group stayed in my history. Sep 21 07:37:50 :) Sep 21 07:38:26 https://gxben.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/why-do-i-hate-dlna-protocol-so-much/ Sep 21 07:38:29 dlna is evil Sep 21 07:48:36 sounds more like plain stupid for me :) Sep 21 07:49:21 nope, planned evil Sep 21 07:49:50 one good thing it's standardizing to some little subset Sep 21 07:50:10 bad thing, makes ligthweight embedded server impossible without pricy hardware Sep 21 07:51:11 but cpu sellers will happily sell u their newest cpu :) Sep 21 07:51:24 see tht pricy hardware part Sep 21 07:51:58 just tried to be sarcastic :p Sep 21 07:53:21 um, dlna is evil? Sep 21 07:53:36 it is castrated upnp a/v Sep 21 07:53:37 * Sicelo goes to the article ... at this rate what won't be evil?? Sep 21 07:54:00 everything is evil Sep 21 07:54:09 article is from 2011, some things might have changed since that time Sep 21 07:56:00 sicelo: open standards and no patents Sep 21 07:59:07 (and yeah, looking to add upnp/dlna client support to oscp) Sep 21 08:01:29 so then it would be able to serve as media server for ps3, right? Sep 21 08:03:02 no, client, not server Sep 21 08:03:13 for ps3 see the ushare Sep 21 08:03:44 people donated ps3 to libdlna/ushare author Sep 21 08:03:48 and it works Sep 21 08:04:03 and you can install it on n900 probably Sep 21 08:04:52 hmm Sep 21 08:05:01 unless i misread your sentence Sep 21 08:05:13 you want to play what from where? Sep 21 08:07:36 rygel does dlna or upnp? Sep 21 08:08:16 rygel - GNOME UPnP/DLNA services Sep 21 08:08:20 who knows Sep 21 08:08:56 i get this guy's point about formats, etc, but the rest looks like advertising ushare :/ Sep 21 08:09:08 nope, its not only about formats Sep 21 08:09:58 i've used rygel a couple of times with n900 ... then again. i hardly ever stream media... i just wanted to test the functiona!ity on the n900 Sep 21 08:10:55 sicelo, as for ushare argument, it's a blog of the author, so he wrote about his experiences with implementing upnp/dlna Sep 21 08:11:06 in comments you see another upnp author Sep 21 08:11:14 which agrees with him Sep 21 08:11:58 As the developer/maintainer of GUPnP/Rygel, I have been dealing with DLNA for some years now and I must say I fully agree with everything you said here. Actually, I was thinking of writing up a post like this but I guess you saved me time by writing it for me. Sep 21 08:12:04 :) Sep 21 08:13:33 the formats/codecs/containers issue is real .. i did notice it ...had problems transcoding on the fly for n900 as client Sep 21 08:14:05 if they made some content negotiation, it would be easier Sep 21 08:14:17 but less money Sep 21 08:15:42 as in, 'lets most popular httpd server and write a module for implementing flexible standard' Sep 21 08:15:53 s/lets/lets grab/ Sep 21 08:15:53 KotCzarny meant: as in, 'lets grab most popular httpd server and write a module for implementing flexible standard' Sep 21 08:16:06 all i can say is i've got minidlna running on quite an old and not very powerful pc Sep 21 08:16:15 to watch films and series on a samsung tv Sep 21 08:16:18 and it works wonderfully Sep 21 08:16:18 :) Sep 21 08:16:18 :P Sep 21 08:16:27 it's got 256Mb of ram or so Sep 21 08:16:31 so more or less like the n900 Sep 21 08:18:59 moin :) Sep 21 08:19:20 oink Sep 21 08:20:16 sicelo, have you seen the link about nokia maps script? Sep 21 08:20:49 yes, that's the "standard" way :) Sep 21 08:20:58 don't know if the path is still correct Sep 21 08:21:07 well, script worked Sep 21 08:21:13 tried it yesterday Sep 21 08:21:19 and started downloading maps Sep 21 08:22:45 * Maxdamantus downloaded the OpenStreetMap data a few years ago. Sep 21 08:22:53 11:54 < Sicelo> in the meantime, i think we have better chances trying to get the url which is used by Nokia Suite, and then we can download ourselves :) Sep 21 08:22:56 11:55 < Sicelo> which is how most of us Linux users have mostly been getting maps on N900 even when map download was working properly Sep 21 08:22:59 was something like a 300 GB XML file. Sep 21 08:23:07 11:55 < KotCzarny> but this is hit and run game Sep 21 08:23:07 11:56 < Sicelo> why? Sep 21 08:23:07 11:57 < KotCzarny> because it can change at any time, and without vendor support there is no guarantee how long it would work Sep 21 08:23:09 compressed to twenty something. Sep 21 08:23:19 nice Sep 21 08:23:37 maxd: single file? Sep 21 08:24:54 Yes. Sep 21 08:25:17 must be hell of a random access Sep 21 08:25:28 not if it is all in ram Sep 21 08:25:55 ssd mapped as ram Sep 21 08:26:06 It's pretty much as hard in RAM. Sep 21 08:26:16 you need an additional index in either case. Sep 21 08:26:34 I have not seen said XML file anyway Sep 21 08:26:44 Let alone know if they really used that as backend Sep 21 08:27:10 modifying that file is hell too Sep 21 08:27:22 bet they keep it in sql and just export as xml Sep 21 08:27:23 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 303G May 18 2012 planet-120508.osm Sep 21 08:27:53 ok, so how do you use this file to serve content? Sep 21 08:27:59 and how does osm do it? Sep 21 08:28:09 You don't. The idea is to transform it into a form you can use. Sep 21 08:28:17 ok, then xml makes perfect sense Sep 21 08:28:27 XML is a bit silly tbh. Sep 21 08:28:31 They have a binary format too. Sep 21 08:28:38 how big is the binary one? Sep 21 08:28:52 Only slightly smaller (compressed) Sep 21 08:29:04 uncompressed, it'll be a lot smaller. Sep 21 08:29:25 though afaik it's still not inherently indexable. Sep 21 08:29:39 (you can of course create indexes for either format) Sep 21 08:31:45 An actual useful form would be bigger any more complicated anyway. Sep 21 08:32:14 i guess, they could export it as sqlite db Sep 21 08:32:16 eg, you can't just use an XML file like that to render an outline of the US. Sep 21 08:33:12 Probably better solutions than sqlite3. Sep 21 08:33:41 You'd probably want some sort of quad tree. Sep 21 08:34:10 Where information is simplified each time you approach the root. Sep 21 08:35:20 Well, for doing spatial things with it at least. Sep 21 08:35:59 if you want to create a search index to look up coordinates for things, you'd want something else. Sep 21 08:36:46 but that's very different to looking up what is within some particular area. Sep 21 08:37:24 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QuadTiles Sep 21 08:38:05 hmm, offtopic, any way of making wget -c and -O options work as expected? Sep 21 08:39:06 Do they not work? Sep 21 08:39:14 not as expected Sep 21 08:39:23 wget -c "${server}/${basedir}/NorthCentralAmerica.zip" -O ./IndexNorthCentralAmerica.zip Sep 21 08:39:28 tries to reget whole file Sep 21 08:39:31 Are you the one that added all the busybox symlinks? Sep 21 08:39:35 even if its already done Sep 21 08:39:45 nope, apt-get install wget Sep 21 08:40:00 ii wget 1.10.2-2osso3 Sep 21 08:40:13 Maybe the server doesn't support partial downloads. Sep 21 08:40:26 i'll try without -O then, just for that Sep 21 08:40:42 -c is the one to do with partial downloads. Sep 21 08:40:54 yes, but -O breaks it Sep 21 08:41:01 at least in wget 1.10.2 Sep 21 08:42:03 hmm Sep 21 08:42:38 Accept-Ranges: bytes Sep 21 08:42:44 so it SHOULD work Sep 21 08:42:58 but apparently doesnt (even without -O) Sep 21 08:46:32 hmm Sep 21 08:46:46 works with -c -O on kernel.org Sep 21 08:47:01 might be broken ovi.com server Sep 21 08:52:24 or just weird display in wget Sep 21 09:09:00 * Maxdamantus is downloading these files now. Sep 21 09:17:18 So does ovimaps usually just do partial requests on the zip files? Sep 21 09:17:51 Length: 1988953069 (1.9G) [application/zip] Saving to: “static.maploader.maps.svc.ovi.com/map5/maploaderzip-00.01.28.107/981.zip” Sep 21 09:17:59 I'm guessing it doesn't normally download that entire file. Sep 21 09:18:14 nokia map loader does just that Sep 21 09:18:48 Oh, so map loading is a separate function? Sep 21 09:18:55 most likely Sep 21 09:19:06 see the '.maploader.' in url? Sep 21 09:19:26 it might be different service from that maps uses for 'on demand' downloads Sep 21 09:19:27 * Maxdamantus hasn't seen OVI maps functioning. Sep 21 09:19:46 * Maxdamantus has opened it once or twice and guessed the service had disappeared. Sep 21 09:20:06 would be nice to have offline maps, especially legit ones Sep 21 09:20:47 does nokia maps have offline route calculation? Sep 21 09:21:44 yes Sep 21 09:21:52 cool Sep 21 09:22:00 only search doesn't work offline. Sep 21 09:22:07 um Sep 21 09:22:08 what? Sep 21 09:22:22 you can also "hack" voice nav guidnance Sep 21 09:22:34 you cannot search locations offline Sep 21 09:22:42 Is there a good OSM satnav? Sep 21 09:22:55 I mean, as good as garmin or better. Sep 21 09:23:02 you mean, i cannot find city/street offline? Sep 21 09:23:28 by "typing" its location? yes you cannot. Sep 21 09:23:36 o.O Sep 21 09:23:37 you can 'point' to it ;) Sep 21 09:24:16 that's just crazy talk Sep 21 09:24:30 :/ Sep 21 09:24:34 not sure i follow Sep 21 09:24:49 situation, im in some unknown city Sep 21 09:25:01 i know the street address, but i dont know where that street is in that city Sep 21 09:25:18 can i use nokia maps on n900 without internet to guide me there? Sep 21 09:25:24 no Sep 21 09:25:50 what about OSM? Sep 21 09:25:53 not even street search? (without street address) Sep 21 09:25:58 search is completely online Sep 21 09:26:16 there's a bug report about it, marked as wontfix Sep 21 09:26:21 the only good thing about that is that it searches on new maps Sep 21 09:26:26 as it requests the place to here.com maps Sep 21 09:26:34 so if they get improved, you'll get that improvement Sep 21 09:26:37 there isnt a offline OSM tool for maemo? Sep 21 09:26:39 oh well, 'we want money-pot safeguard' Sep 21 09:26:41 but no, you can't search for any place offline Sep 21 09:26:57 oh there is Sep 21 09:26:58 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Software/Maemo Sep 21 09:27:00 buZz: there's marble at least Sep 21 09:27:01 a shitton Sep 21 09:27:08 to be honest Sep 21 09:27:13 i found all of them ugly Sep 21 09:27:13 buZz: not Ovi Maps Sep 21 09:27:15 nearly all of them allow local street search Sep 21 09:27:18 and not very useful Sep 21 09:27:28 the best is still sygic Sep 21 09:27:34 OSM dataset is insanely usefull here in western europe Sep 21 09:27:38 It's not necessarily offline. Sep 21 09:27:55 and i'm wiith ceene here .. i've tried all maps (except) sygic, and for my places, nothing beats here.com. Sep 21 09:28:04 (it's probably not offline) Sep 21 09:28:16 even on the browser on pc .. google maps just doesn't do it Sep 21 09:28:32 fyi, of that list, only 2 dont do offline storage Sep 21 09:28:36 the 7 others do Sep 21 09:28:47 (as listed on that wikipage) Sep 21 09:28:48 bummer Sep 21 09:29:04 i have automapa for android, which is completely offline Sep 21 09:29:23 try the others then KotCzarny Sep 21 09:29:55 sicelo, gotta check nokia maps first, and decide if i shall purge or use it Sep 21 09:30:10 :) Sep 21 09:30:12 buZz: is that meant to be listed on that page? Sep 21 09:30:27 Oh, "Stores map-data off-board" Sep 21 09:30:34 seems the search offline is a very important feature for you though Sep 21 09:30:37 what is the point of maps without search or route calculation Sep 21 09:30:44 Maxdamantus: on-board ;) Sep 21 09:30:44 er, on-board Sep 21 09:30:57 oh lol, yeah Sep 21 09:31:00 ALL do offline Sep 21 09:31:01 nice Sep 21 09:31:47 route works fine offline Sep 21 09:31:48 ah, osm2go is in extra repo :D Sep 21 09:31:50 lets see Sep 21 09:32:09 and n900 does better routing (again for my locations at least) than google Sep 21 09:32:27 * Maxdamantus tried downloading a range of images from Google maps once. Sep 21 09:32:33 * Maxdamantus got blocked. Sep 21 09:32:51 you need to watch for captcha Sep 21 09:32:56 was unable to use Google maps for a day or two. Sep 21 09:32:57 then just present it to user Sep 21 09:40:44 offline search in marble/OSM kinda "works" ... kinda. Sep 21 09:41:00 but "exact" search only Sep 21 09:46:16 * Wizzup is hoping for a nice wiki article summarizing all this Sep 21 09:46:23 I've been wanting to find some better mapping sw Sep 21 09:46:26 I use maep mostly Sep 21 09:46:30 but it has no (working) search Sep 21 09:46:47 make a tmo post, gather data, create wiki page? Sep 21 09:46:59 something like that. Sep 21 09:48:27 dont forget to include app versions Sep 21 10:53:40 Hm. Does the thing on the back cover only need to be ferromagnetic, not actually magnetic? Sep 21 10:54:28 Seems like it. Sep 21 10:54:40 I can activate the sensor just using a pin or an SD card. Sep 21 10:56:02 The camera shutter one, that is. Sep 21 10:57:03 probably what the board has is an inductive sensor Sep 21 10:57:05 not a magnet Sep 21 10:57:14 so anything that excites the inductive sensor would work Sep 21 10:57:24 like the one you have on the bike to measure speed :) Sep 21 11:00:08 :) Sep 21 11:11:55 ceene: those are hall effect sensors Sep 21 11:12:01 (on bicycles) Sep 21 11:43:10 Anyone else having problems with Skype? Mine has issues connecting and issues displaying the online/offline status of people Sep 21 11:43:24 yes Sep 21 11:43:27 skype = down Sep 21 11:43:43 the NSA servers crashed so they turned off skype to prevent dataloss Sep 21 11:44:04 its amazing m$ didnt kill off nmaemo skype Sep 21 11:44:18 maybe they are bound to some license Sep 21 11:44:23 they cant, that would require changing the protocol Sep 21 11:44:30 Its possible killing Maemo Skype would kill Skype on other platforms they still need Sep 21 11:44:32 but as they fired nearly all their coders, they cant really do that Sep 21 11:44:35 things that cant be upgraded Sep 21 11:44:49 buZz: and replaced them with .js people -- hence web.skype.com ;) Sep 21 11:44:58 ;) Sep 21 11:45:24 and now MS are making big noise about how "Skype works plugin-free on our new Windows-10 browser"... Sep 21 11:46:00 very edgy :P Sep 21 11:46:13 well, they killed desktop skype easily by forcing to upgrade old versions Sep 21 11:46:32 which in turn required m$ login Sep 21 11:48:41 The good news is that in theory if it runs in Edge without plugins (and Edge isn't providing some weird proprietary undocumented algorithms or interfaces to work which it probably doesn't given Microsoft has said it wants to make it work plugin free on other browsers once they support the right stuff) it should be possible to build a non-browser client that plugs into the same JS stuff and... Sep 21 11:48:42 ...backend in theory Sep 21 11:49:05 that said, Javascript is something I know nothing about and couldn't program in if my life depended on it so I dont know just how possible stuff like that might be :P Sep 21 11:50:30 anyhow its good to know Skype is just down and not broken Sep 21 11:50:35 just don't Sep 21 11:50:36 using a plugin it can also work in mozilla and chrome Sep 21 11:50:39 it'll probably work in the future Sep 21 11:50:54 jonwil: skype seems to resolve to localhost at some places Sep 21 11:50:56 as in, the skype urls Sep 21 11:52:38 I received a message just over 12 hours ago from someone, turned it off to go out and do stuff (so it wouldn't kill my battery and drain my expensive mobile data) and now it wont work either on my home WiFi or my mobile data link Sep 21 11:53:50 in any case http://heartbeat.skype.com/ says "we are having issues" so that confirms that it isn't me :) Sep 21 11:56:19 All in all, I dont regret the decision to buy a Nokia N900 one bit Sep 21 11:56:28 i bought 4 Sep 21 11:56:35 #noregrets Sep 21 11:57:32 Some people have told me I should have bought something more mainstream (particularly since if I owned such a thing I could then develop apps for it, put them in the app store and use that to boost my portfolio and have a better chance of getting a job writing software) but screw em Sep 21 11:57:38 The N900 is the best cellphone I have ever used Sep 21 11:57:51 :) Sep 21 11:57:54 and the only reason I will stop using it is if it fails in a way where it cant be fixed Sep 21 11:58:17 Or if I upgrade to something better (and the only thing I know of that would quality is a Neo900) Sep 21 11:58:35 I'm hoping to replace my maemo-based n900 with something very basic, kernel 4.1.0+ which can do 3g and phonecalls Sep 21 11:58:42 or at least start using both Sep 21 11:59:26 Neo900 is the only "cellphone" I know of that might be usable with a modern kernel and a full Linux system Sep 21 11:59:53 jonwil: buy few spares, they go as cheap as 15eur for fully functional ones Sep 21 12:00:19 Not here in Australia, getting hold of genuine working usable N900s is hard Sep 21 12:00:28 hard but possible Sep 21 12:00:43 Especially since I have had VERY bad experiences in the past with eBay and PayPal and refuse to use either company Sep 21 12:00:49 if you keep on searching Sep 21 12:01:14 browse local classifieds regularly Sep 21 12:03:39 right now my N900 is fine though except for some minor screen damage, something wonky with the way it calculates battery levels (sometimes it will be at "battery low, charge me now" state then it will go up to a few bars without me plugging it in) and a little bit of minor cosmetic damage. Sep 21 12:04:00 weird stuff, batt was at 60% , reboot, boom; 95% Sep 21 12:04:20 jonwil: why do you say that? Sep 21 12:04:32 http://elinux.org/N900 Sep 21 12:05:33 Wasn't aware you could get a modern kernel on a N900 without loss of functionality Sep 21 12:05:40 But if you can, that's great :) Sep 21 12:05:47 'without loss of functionality' Sep 21 12:05:51 that's a very mean sentence Sep 21 12:05:59 check that page to see what works Sep 21 12:06:01 I am happy enough with the stock kernel though :) Sep 21 12:06:12 some of the interfaces are (slightly) different, so you cannot just put it in maemo Sep 21 12:06:15 That' Sep 21 12:06:18 s good Sep 21 12:06:23 I want a more recent kernel if it at all possible Sep 21 12:09:59 The N900 may not have LTE or Bluetooth 4.0 or 802.11nac or other more modern standards but its still way better than anything crApple has ever made :P Sep 21 12:10:35 Apple is the only phone maker where you have to pay money to take an app you wrote and run it on a device you own. Sep 21 12:10:45 Even Microsoft stopped that a while back Sep 21 12:10:57 apple doesnt, you can just sideload your own apps Sep 21 12:10:59 no payment Sep 21 12:11:03 same @ android and winderp Sep 21 12:11:23 I wasn't aware Apple had changed its policies to allow you to side-load things onto an iPhone Sep 21 12:11:34 this has been the case since iphone #1 Sep 21 12:11:44 jailbreaking yes Sep 21 12:11:57 of course, if you dont have root on your device you dont own it Sep 21 12:12:15 But I wasn't aware that there was an official way to run your own code on an iPhone without paying the $99 to Apple Sep 21 12:12:40 random google hit > Xcode 7 allows anyone to download, build and ‘sideload’ iOS apps for free Sep 21 12:13:06 ok, so Apple must have changed its policy at some point Sep 21 12:13:37 and before that there was http://try.macbuildserver.com/ Sep 21 12:14:45 You still need to buy both an iDevice AND a Mac to do it though so its a much higher cost of entry than other devices Sep 21 12:17:05 Anyhow, I love my N900 and if I had the time and energy I would get back into writing code for it Sep 21 12:17:24 jonwil, battery woes == old battery, just buy replacement Sep 21 12:17:27 ~polarcell Sep 21 12:17:28 polarcell is, like, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement Sep 21 12:18:02 This isn't a particularly old battery, its about 1.5 years old Sep 21 12:18:14 did you buy it new? Sep 21 12:18:20 yes Sep 21 12:18:25 Its not the original battery that went with the phone though, its a replacement (that may or may not have been a genuine Nokia) Sep 21 12:18:36 spent time in hot areas? Sep 21 12:18:58 Well I do live in Queensland where it can get VERY hot and humid at times Sep 21 12:21:01 bq27200.sh says my NAC/CACD/CACT (total capacity of the battery I think) is 767mAh which seems a little low Sep 21 12:21:08 um Sep 21 12:21:12 suggesting maybe this isn't a genuine Nokia BL-5J... Sep 21 12:21:19 very low Sep 21 12:21:28 what is value of CI ? Sep 21 12:21:52 I dont see a CI value Sep 21 12:21:58 wait I do Sep 21 12:21:59 * Maxdamantus has finally bought new earphones. Sep 21 12:22:01 CI is zero Sep 21 12:22:08 then values should be true Sep 21 12:22:32 anyway, buy new battery, that polarcell link is tried and tested one Sep 21 12:22:40 whats even weirder is that "Last Measured Discharge" claims its 886mAh Sep 21 12:22:42 * Maxdamantus wonders if the Neo900 is meant to have a better audio signal than the N900 (not that I'm intending on getting one) Sep 21 12:23:22 * Maxdamantus hears noise on most things on his current earphones. Sep 21 12:23:48 maxd: hearing voices? Sep 21 12:23:50 :) Sep 21 12:23:56 basically everything except the two dedicated music player devices I have. Sep 21 12:24:01 I think you're just a bit more sensitive when it comes to most things than other people in here Sep 21 12:24:06 No, just electrical static. Sep 21 12:24:11 I've never heard noise on my n900 port Sep 21 12:24:20 audio port* Sep 21 12:24:32 They're supposedly relatively low-impedence. Sep 21 12:24:54 As for new battery, I just spent $50 on new ink cartridges for my printer, I cant afford a new battery right now :P Sep 21 12:25:06 jonwil: polarcel is ~10eur Sep 21 12:25:16 brand new 1500mAh action Sep 21 12:25:36 * Maxdamantus is meant to be getting one of those too in a few days. Sep 21 12:25:37 Is there somewhere to buy one that isn't eBay? And I bet shipping to Australia is expensive... Sep 21 12:25:48 Maxdamantus: just add some 10k ohm resistors between your headphones Sep 21 12:25:51 Shipping is free to Australia. Sep 21 12:25:55 Maxdamantus: i'm sure that'll make the noise go away Sep 21 12:26:03 but its still eBay :P Sep 21 12:26:07 and do yourself a favour and buy kyocera ecosys laser printer (7200 pages on one ~30eur toner) Sep 21 12:26:17 jonwil: it's from a trusted distributor. Sep 21 12:26:36 ~polarcell Sep 21 12:26:36 it has been said that polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement Sep 21 12:26:43 Its nothing to do with the seller, I just hate eBay and PayPal for all sorts of reasons I dont want to go into Sep 21 12:26:49 :) Sep 21 12:26:51 and wont use them for anything no matter how good Sep 21 12:27:16 ask someone to buy one for you? Sep 21 12:27:17 As for the printer, this Canon Inkjet was a birthday gift so I didn't pick it Sep 21 12:27:21 (loophole) Sep 21 12:28:00 jonwil, you know that ink printers cost next to nothing and companies make money out of the cartridges? Sep 21 12:28:13 yes I know Sep 21 12:28:22 but like I said, it wasn't my decision Sep 21 12:28:24 :) Sep 21 12:28:51 dealer rule: first shot is free Sep 21 12:29:05 then then hook you up and drain you Sep 21 12:29:22 Also unless things have changed, color laser printers that can do photo-quality prints are still quite expensive (and yes I print things where quality is important) Sep 21 12:29:23 *they Sep 21 12:29:31 um Sep 21 12:29:37 print things in photoshop? Sep 21 12:29:41 much cheaper Sep 21 12:29:45 and higher quality Sep 21 12:30:07 phot shop i mean Sep 21 12:30:20 the one that prints your photos, not adobe money maker Sep 21 12:31:30 I dont know of any photo printing place that can print custom-made stickers for LEGO creations onto special sticker paper. And certainly not one that can do it from an SVG file created in Inkscape (or that can print multiple test prints first so I can check the sizing and such before I print on the stickers) Sep 21 12:31:40 cba with inkjets, use more ink in cleaning than printing Sep 21 12:31:59 you can render svg into high res jpeg Sep 21 12:32:01 In any case I now have a new pair of cartridges for this Canon and I can print the things I want to print :) Sep 21 12:32:16 They also have a website, so you can avoid eBay at least: http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/handyakkus/nokia/polarcell_hochleistungs-akku_ersetzt_originalakku_nokia_bl-5j_i2_62_0.htm Sep 21 12:32:27 Though I suspect you'd have to pay through PayPal. Sep 21 12:32:38 and I can't tell if the shipping is worldwide there because it's in German. Sep 21 12:32:55 all the emails I got from buying it on eBay were also in German. Sep 21 12:33:16 http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/information/7/Versandkosten.htm?IT=62&VN=0 Sep 21 12:33:21 shipping price Sep 21 12:33:34 4.90 eur to australia Sep 21 12:33:37 “Ihre aktuellen Versandkosten für Vorauskasse Deutschland” sounds like not worldwide. Sep 21 12:33:50 I know of a very good (reputable reliable been around for ages) local chain store that does batteries for basically everything known to man and they can do a BL-5J compatible Sep 21 12:34:11 They even told me it comes with some juice in it and I could test it out to make sure it works Sep 21 12:34:48 so if I decide to buy a new one I will go there Sep 21 12:34:50 jonwil, just remember, n900's mAh counter gets close to real capacity in 3-5 cycles Sep 21 12:34:51 "test it" as in use it for a few cycles? Sep 21 12:35:05 no, test it as in make sure its compatible Sep 21 12:35:10 Which is all that would matter for the purchase Sep 21 12:35:16 nope Sep 21 12:35:17 These guys dont make crap or fake junk Sep 21 12:35:28 buying 700mAh knock off is not as good as 1500mAh one Sep 21 12:35:49 Well, I suspect they wouldn't be making the batteries. Sep 21 12:35:54 no they dont Sep 21 12:36:00 but they wouldn't be putting their name on junk Sep 21 12:36:16 anyway, you shouldnt pay more than 15eur for good one Sep 21 12:36:18 (new) Sep 21 12:36:46 as you can get one from polarcell shop for 12eur+5eur shipping to australia Sep 21 12:37:14 anyhow, its not a high priority right now Sep 21 12:37:19 um Sep 21 12:37:26 since my phone DOES work Sep 21 12:37:33 and DOES get a full day of use most of hte time Sep 21 12:37:34 Checking compatibility isn't a very good test. Sep 21 12:37:35 the time Sep 21 12:37:36 :) Sep 21 12:37:41 I know that max Sep 21 12:37:57 not a very good test as in you probably shouldn't even waste your time doing it. Sep 21 12:38:03 :P Sep 21 12:38:16 if it really is reputable, then "BL-5J" will be enough information to know that it's compatible. Sep 21 12:38:38 :) Sep 21 12:39:52 Fair dinkum, that is. Sep 21 12:40:43 * Maxdamantus sleeps. Sep 21 12:44:19 * jonwil wonders if there are many people left writing code for N900 or if everything is dead now Sep 21 12:44:35 jonwil, do you listen to music on n900? Sep 21 12:44:45 No I dont listen to music on my N900 Sep 21 12:44:48 pity Sep 21 12:44:54