**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 23 02:59:59 2015
Sep 23 06:05:09 <Maxdamantus> Polarcell arrived.
Sep 23 06:06:13 <KotCzarny> will it blend?
Sep 23 06:34:03 <Oksana> What is this? http://blog.slyon.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/n900-cover1.jpg http://blog.slyon.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/n900-cover2.jpg Ah, aluminum backcover /wish it did not look like an abandoned project/
Sep 23 06:41:52 <Oksana> Nice try: http://img.trade-list.com/userweb/xianglongxisu/upload/upimages/2801290168493.jpg Wrong OS-and-much-of-hardware, though... http://xianglongxisu.trade-list.com/4/product-show/37444/nokia-n900-tv-mobile-phone-with-sliding-design.html
Sep 23 06:42:18 <KotCzarny> never seen NOKlA products?
Sep 23 06:44:17 * Oksana is thinking on modifying N900 into portrait slider instead of landscape slider. It requires: 1) a completely new slider mechanism; 2) a portrait keyboard of appropriate dimensions and exactly same connector (are there such keyboards from other phones, or will it have to be a custom job, too?); 3) a completely new flex ribbon (containing small front camera, RGB led, light sensor, and such),...
Sep 23 06:44:19 * Oksana ...or probably an extender for existing flex ribbon will suffice
Sep 23 06:45:08 <KotCzarny> oksana, you need mobo case too
Sep 23 06:45:34 <KotCzarny> and just use onscreen kb with vibro feedback
Sep 23 06:46:36 <Maxdamantus> Then you lose screen space.
Sep 23 06:47:01 <KotCzarny> you wont fit full kb anyway, and numerics can be small enough
Sep 23 06:47:12 <Oksana> Why would I need a mobo case? Granted, I would need to replace the frame-around-the-keyboard, but the backcover and lateral sides (with holes for ports and speakers) could stay?
Sep 23 06:47:34 <KotCzarny> oksana: sliding mechanism screws
Sep 23 06:48:01 <KotCzarny> which means either new mobo holder or drilling through mobo
Sep 23 06:48:12 <Oksana> Well, I would not fit full kb, yes... Just like any other portrait kb... Ah, to make portrait slider symmetric... Curious...
Sep 23 06:51:29 <KotCzarny> maybe there is some small bt numeric kb module
Sep 23 06:52:08 <KotCzarny> that way you could do away without flexcable etc
Sep 23 06:52:21 <Oksana> Okay, then three-quarters keyboard: slide-up as usual, then the display can slide slightly-left or slightly-right to show some additional buttons-or-something. Would not need new screws... I do not need it right now, I am just wondering about possibilities. It's as distant for me as shoulder buttons on Pyra
Sep 23 06:53:27 <Oksana> Would need to take care with flex-cable, to not tear it
Sep 23 06:54:00 * Oksana misses hardware "accept" and "reject" buttons for phone calls
Sep 23 06:54:05 <KotCzarny> while you are at it, why not clamshell n900? :P
Sep 23 06:54:33 <Oksana> Too difficult to do with current flex, I think
Sep 23 06:54:52 <KotCzarny> just kidding
Sep 23 06:54:58 <KotCzarny> it would be a monstrosity
Sep 23 06:56:19 * Oksana wonders what kind of tool should be used to work on aluminium-or-something slider-mechanism, to cut and bend it
Sep 23 06:57:17 <Oksana> It's easier (cheaper) to use existing slider mechanism and modify it, as long as everything is done correct on first try. And I do not want to think how black paint on the slider smells when burned by laser cutting machine
Sep 23 06:57:42 <KotCzarny> um
Sep 23 06:57:56 <KotCzarny> there is no way it would work if you want to use current mechanism
Sep 23 06:58:06 <KotCzarny> physically impossible
Sep 23 06:58:38 <Oksana> Add new tracks, so that the screws, after sliding down, would be able to go sideways? Well, it would be physically fragile, maybe
Sep 23 06:58:40 <KotCzarny> flex cable bending additional 90deg
Sep 23 06:59:06 <Oksana> Flex cable is quite restricting, yes...
Sep 23 06:59:15 <KotCzarny> you know the position of the screws in current slider mechanism?
Sep 23 06:59:28 <Oksana> Four screws, yes
Sep 23 06:59:37 <KotCzarny> on of it would be just at the middle of the bottom of your kb
Sep 23 06:59:58 <KotCzarny> *one
Sep 23 07:02:34 <Oksana> It's a tad obvious for looks, but not that bad in terms of functionality, right?
Sep 23 07:02:49 <KotCzarny> its the functionality problem i see there
Sep 23 07:03:20 <KotCzarny> making it stable with such positioned mount points would require adapter frame i think
Sep 23 07:08:18 * Oksana will experiment sometime. With flex-cable bendability, at least... And space within display module: is there any place for screws-tracks to go into, or will the screws collide with LCD display?
Sep 23 07:10:43 <KotCzarny> will collide
Sep 23 07:11:14 <KotCzarny> though..
Sep 23 07:14:22 <Oksana> Though?.. | Pantech C810 Duo and Samsung SGH-F520 are funny...
Sep 23 07:15:56 <KotCzarny> you can dismantle n900 to see, its only 4 screes for sliding mechanism and 6 in lcd, all accessible with 00 (or 000) size philips screwdriver
Sep 23 07:17:03 <Oksana> Yes, will try to. Worst cases are when screw head is destroyed into circular-hole shape
Sep 23 07:18:29 <KotCzarny> they are not tightened hard (and shouldnt be)
Sep 23 07:18:50 <KotCzarny> just use good matching screwdriver and dont let it slip on screw
Sep 23 07:21:23 <KotCzarny> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQ81cahD1c
Sep 23 07:21:36 <KotCzarny> at 3:57 you can see 
Sep 23 07:22:14 <KotCzarny> no space at the sides
Sep 23 07:37:35 <zGrr> moin :)
Sep 23 08:11:58 <kerio> Oksana: *add* a portrait slider instead
Sep 23 11:18:24 <helloworld> just n900 questions here right?
Sep 23 11:18:42 <L29Ah> no
Sep 23 11:18:49 <helloworld> whatelse
Sep 23 11:19:00 <Guest21139> neo900 also?
Sep 23 11:20:19 <Vajb> used few minutes of my time just to prove pointless point. I put Nokia 6630 Arberg Chess against Osso-Chess. Arberg at hardest and Osso easiest. Guess what? Osso lost, hah.
Sep 23 11:21:15 <Vajb> helloworld-: I think there is neo specific channel also
Sep 23 11:21:50 <helloworld-> ok
Sep 23 11:22:02 <helloworld-> so basically, n900 related
Sep 23 11:22:12 <helloworld-> and/or linux stuff related to n900
Sep 23 11:22:26 <helloworld-> the log of the chat i found really helpful, fun reading it
Sep 23 11:22:48 <helloworld-> basically a lot of learning just reading the logs
Sep 23 11:26:11 <Vajb> yes. Also i've seen talk about past maemo devices here.
Sep 23 11:26:45 <helloworld-> oh yea
Sep 23 11:26:48 <helloworld-> amazing devices
Sep 23 11:27:13 <helloworld-> i always wish a world where maemo was installed in more devices
Sep 23 11:27:22 <helloworld-> with faster processors, can't stop thinking about it
Sep 23 11:27:29 <helloworld-> what an opportunity missed,
Sep 23 13:22:46 <KotCzarny> maemo devices are nokia 770, n800, n810, n900, neo900
Sep 23 13:23:02 <KotCzarny> not sure about n9 and n950
Sep 23 13:26:23 <Wizzup> that's meego
Sep 23 13:26:41 <KotCzarny> Nokia runs the Maemo operating system on the Nokia N900 and Nokia N9.
Sep 23 13:26:45 <KotCzarny> then wikipedia is wrong
Sep 23 13:27:12 <Wizzup> \o/
Sep 23 13:44:33 <DocScrutinizer05> esaym153: restore your BM-backup
Sep 23 13:44:49 <KotCzarny> doc: it's n8x0
Sep 23 13:44:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ooops n810
Sep 23 13:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> N9(50) is harmattan
Sep 23 13:48:17 <KotCzarny> is it considered part of maemo family?
Sep 23 13:48:18 <DocScrutinizer05> which is neither maemo nor true meego, nor a OS you really want to mess with (at least in my book)
Sep 23 13:48:40 <DocScrutinizer05> technically you could call it maemo6
Sep 23 13:58:30 <KotCzarny> mmmkay, stock fremantle and cssu-thumb reference backups done. time to hack this thing
Sep 23 14:24:06 <DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/talk.pdf p.6 actually harmattan been what Nokia made of meego, which been too maemo-ish for Intel and basically resulted in the end of meego and Nokia/Intel divorce. Nokia did this "meego" which wasn't since the true meego didn't perform up to expectations in time for N9, afaik
Sep 23 14:25:39 <DocScrutinizer05> Intel had objections to calling Harmattan meego but there was little they could do about it. All hearsay
Sep 23 14:28:43 <DocScrutinizer05> if you're interested in a 45 minutes excellent talk that also has some fact about maemo: http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm
Sep 23 14:29:44 <KotCzarny> right now we can call maemo dead
Sep 23 14:30:02 <KotCzarny> and current system is named cssu
Sep 23 14:40:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Sep 23 14:40:50 <infobot> [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Sep 23 14:41:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I wish people would read instead of spreading nonsense
Sep 23 14:51:37 <DocScrutinizer05> >>**not** implying CSSU will be the bleeding edge and pacemaker of development away from maemo5 towards something above and beyond (that's not what CSSU is meant to be and never will be, see above note about maximum compatibility).<<
Sep 23 14:56:59 <DocScrutinizer05> Settings->ProductInfo: Maemo5 Version:21.2011.38-1     Settings->AboutCommunitySSU: Installed. Version:21.2011.38-1maemo11
Sep 23 14:58:14 <DocScrutinizer05> if maemo was dead, the product info would tell "CSSU" and not "Maemo5"
Sep 23 15:03:17 <Neutron111> what is that? I lost my N900 :-(
Sep 23 15:04:34 <kerio> :-(
Sep 23 15:06:31 <KotCzarny> neutron111: just look for replacement, i've found fully functional one for ~15usd
Sep 23 15:06:55 <kerio> i might move to an android phone
Sep 23 15:07:00 <kerio> soonish
Sep 23 15:07:03 <kerio> because free
Sep 23 15:07:07 <kerio> (as in beer)
Sep 23 15:07:07 <KotCzarny> kerio, wann sell your n900?
Sep 23 15:07:27 <kerio> i have two, one has a broken musb, the other has a broken wifi
Sep 23 15:07:38 <KotCzarny> O.o
Sep 23 15:07:45 <KotCzarny> it can has broken wifi?
Sep 23 15:08:16 <kerio> apparently!
Sep 23 15:08:23 <KotCzarny> how did you manage that?
Sep 23 15:08:34 <kerio> fucked if i know
Sep 23 15:08:44 <kerio> bluetooth works fine
Sep 23 15:09:06 <DocScrutinizer05> checked your firmware?
Sep 23 15:09:47 <kerio> i think so
Sep 23 15:10:01 <kerio> i mean, my music drops if i search for wifi networks
Sep 23 15:10:07 <kerio> it just doesn't find anything
Sep 23 15:11:08 <KotCzarny> check at some other location?
Sep 23 15:11:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/41020815
Sep 23 15:12:16 <kerio> matches
Sep 23 15:20:38 <KotCzarny> dmesg?
Sep 23 20:22:26 <Luke-Jr> my N900 seems to be failing to charge lately :/
Sep 23 20:22:31 <Luke-Jr> after ~40 hours, it's only up to 60%
Sep 23 20:24:33 <DocScrutinizer05> reflash and check, or there's no problem
Sep 23 20:26:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I think you're one of those who fiddle massively with their OS. N900 is made to work with maemo, and it does
Sep 23 20:26:32 <L29Ah> switch the battery cell
Sep 23 20:29:18 <DocScrutinizer05> that's pretty much nonsense
Sep 23 20:29:56 <DocScrutinizer05> 60% are 60% (or they are bogus value) either way independant of cell
Sep 23 20:30:05 <L29Ah> what
Sep 23 20:30:36 <L29Ah> maybe battery is shorted
Sep 23 20:30:54 <L29Ah> tho i should've asked for the voltage and current first
Sep 23 20:31:00 <DocScrutinizer05> when a cell is charged to 4.2V and draws less than Icharge-end, it's at 100% per definitionem
Sep 23 20:31:57 <DocScrutinizer05> when battery is shorted, it's staying at 0% 
Sep 23 20:32:04 <Wizzup> Managed to get audio on 4.1.0-rcX
Sep 23 20:34:04 <DocScrutinizer05> too low VBUS voltage from charger can cause battery never getting completely charged
Sep 23 20:34:47 <Wizzup> http://sprunge.us/aPeU
Sep 23 20:45:08 <DocScrutinizer05> Luke-Jr: check bq27k-detail2.sh and charge21.sh
Sep 23 20:45:49 <DocScrutinizer05> bq27k only the Ampere and Volt are relevant, everything else is more or less bogus
Sep 23 20:47:17 <DocScrutinizer05> charge21 should result in decent status without errorflags, and a concurrently running bq27k shall show proper charging current and voltage increase
Sep 23 20:47:30 <L29Ah> ~bq27k-detail2.sh
Sep 23 20:48:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27k-deatail
Sep 23 20:48:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27k-detail
Sep 23 20:48:30 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2
Sep 23 20:50:30 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27*
Sep 23 20:51:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27 is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ bq27*
Sep 23 20:51:02 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Sep 23 20:51:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27k-detail is also ~bq27
Sep 23 20:51:29 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Sep 23 20:53:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27 is also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/
Sep 23 20:53:01 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Sep 23 20:54:06 <DocScrutinizer05> Luke-Jr: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh
Sep 23 20:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> of course meanwhile tested
Sep 23 20:54:55 <DocScrutinizer05> should be safe to charge from arbitrary USB sources
Sep 23 21:10:42 <freemangordon> Wizzup: what os?
Sep 23 21:10:55 <Wizzup> freemangordon: gentoo with alsamixer
Sep 23 21:11:01 <Wizzup> I mean, just linux 4.1.0-rc4
Sep 23 21:11:12 <freemangordon> n900 that is, correct?
Sep 23 21:11:37 <freemangordon> Wizzup: ^^^
Sep 23 21:11:58 <Wizzup> Yes
Sep 23 21:12:27 <freemangordon> Wizzup: vanilla or Pali's tree on github?
Sep 23 21:13:41 <Wizzup> Pali
Sep 23 21:14:04 <bencoh> Wizzup: audio .... just audio playback, or audio/cmtspeech ?
Sep 23 21:18:58 <Wizzup> I am not sure if there are many differences between Pali and mainline
Sep 23 21:19:04 <Wizzup> bencoh: cmtspeech is next target
Sep 23 21:26:17 <Ras_Older> o/ everyone! How are things here?
Sep 23 21:27:55 <DocScrutinizer05> (cmtspeech) good luck
Sep 23 21:28:27 <DocScrutinizer05> hi Ras_Older. Things are mostly smooth and quiet here
Sep 23 21:29:31 <Ras_Older> I've been cracking local cybersec convention challenges lately and just cracked 2 major ones :D
Sep 23 21:30:28 <Ras_Older> tomorrow morning (+10 hours) hitting them up physically. They started today but due to sickness I wasn't able to go there just yet.
Sep 23 21:30:28 <Wizzup> bencoh: cmtspeech fails to modprobe atm
Sep 23 21:31:25 <Ras_Older> Sucks to be me atm :D the last 8 weeks I've been on sickleave.
Sep 23 21:32:29 <Ras_Older> But tomorrow I hope to make it to there (Jyväskylä Cyber Security 2015 convention) in person.
Sep 23 21:33:55 <Ras_Older> Yeah totally untopic but things have been rather quiet here lately so :D
Sep 23 23:03:18 <ds3> =
Sep 24 00:55:27 <Oksana> <kerio>	Oksana: *add* a portrait slider instead <-- How so? One more layer, to make it even more thick? And, on N900 Bluetooth-FM and WiFi are different chips. Maybe, WiFi can be fixed with hot air, but I am not an expert, so take care and research.
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 24 02:59:57 2015